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Title: What Europe fails to understand about Europe
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 08 September 2025, 12:02:29
You get articles written in their papers like this....

___There is an alternate path. A reinvigoration of a pro-European majority in the bloc’s three institutions — particularly the European Parliament — could still lead to the self-determination of our destiny. The Parliament has the constitutional role of controlling the Commission and could call for a new direction, as it holds the power to censure it. For a start, the Parliament could block the reduction of tariffs on U.S. products — a move that would surely be popular with voters and would signal that Europe’s readiness to stand up to blackmail.___


EUROPE, developed 1st. They were the 1st out of the gate of the industrial revolution. They've burned through most of their natural resources and energy budget.

The POPULATION also aged, dwindled, and has become "Modern."   What does that mean. "Modern."

"Modern." means liberal,  it means they will not be slaves, work very painful/ hard labor for near subsistence.


That's fine, but what does it mean for your civilization in the context of "The Machine."


The Machine is only mechanical, it has moving parts, and a control center.


Could you imagine a watch where the GEARS has a say in which way to turn, and whether it's dutiful to keep time.

Could you imagine your leg has a say in where you decide to walk.


OF COURSE you can,  that's how it works.   But directionally,  Such a machine is less efficient on average, and only operable under conditions of growing / unlimited energy supply.  In people, energy was converted into More-People, population growth.

The increasing complexity itself requires an exponentially growing energy.



In a Managing down economy,  There is no energy growth, hence, no people growth, so we enter the optimization phase.

Optimization means efficiency, efficiency is the antithesis of Liberalism.  It doesn't necessitate going alllll the way back to slavery, but the context is the same, and this context is what the children born into Liberalism simply can't stomach.


The contention, wastes energy, ALOT of energy. It drives down birth rates, it drives OUT industrial capacity.


ONCE the industrial capacity is gone, how are we expected to RETRAIN.


Industrial capacity, is nothing more than back-breaking labor.   The Chinese were willing, The Indians were willing,  The EUROPEANS were willing, UNTIL the day they were not.



There is no coming back for EUROPE, unless they're willing to remove liberalism all together.


It remains to be seen if our America can make a come back TO  Industrial prowess.  Highly not likely.

Even the Chinese who are very work-oriented culturally has slowed down dramatically.


The most credible civilizational-design studies say:

The future of American/European Industry is uncertain because we're pretty much out of newly exploitable Fossil fuels.

There's no emission envelope whereby, EUROPE or America can Build their OWN industrial capacity to rival China.


Imagine building ANOTHER China,  in the last 30 years,  Their-industrial-capacity cost 1/2 of all American emissions to date.

We have ~ 7-10% emissions left before 500ppm (Doomsday).   There just isn't enough.

While America's machines have all rotted away by now, China's machines are brand new AND they have a trained labor force to run them.


What's the plan, let's NOT use any of those China machines, because they make missiles at the back, we're going to make all our own stuff.  Hrrm.. Ok.



Europe needs to manage down, NOT PRETEND like it's going to Re-Industrialize.

SELF ACTUALIZATION, is,  as Owners of Capital, being aware of the fact that You own the capital as much as it owns you.

This means diplomacy, and wide-spread recognition of reality and its limitations.  Europe is rich ON PAPER. Mechanically, it's basically bankrupt.

Where does all the nickle come from, oh slavery in south asia.  You can buy those electric cars for now, with paper, but for how long, and is it such a great idea, to invest further in a network that is mostly a waste of energy, moving a 2 ton piece of metal to get to a gym so the occupant can RUN on a treadmill.



If America is going to reindustrialize, it will probably enslave South America, this is still a possibility.  It will NOT be awesome, and it will probably fail.

South America has ALOT of fissile material. If they ninelebn' us with fissile material, it can easily cripple political infrastructure.
Title: Re: What Europe fails to understand about Europe
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 12 September 2025, 09:36:04
Denmark spending 7billion buying anti ballistics.


The state of the technology is that in testing,, KNOWING AHEAD OF TIME the precise flight-path of the incoming ordinance , existing systems can intercept only 70% of the time.

A huge waste of money, if it came to all out war, you might as well just eat the missile, and spend your money elsewhere.


The other part is, multistage ultrasonics + dummy payloads.   Totally unblockable.

The slow, and crappy missiles that these systems CAN Block, arn't even worth blocking.
Title: Re: What Europe fails to understand about Europe
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 12 September 2025, 10:26:22

if it came to all out war


I feel sorry for our European friends, living in a world where several of the most heavily armed countries are run by crazy people.
Title: Re: What Europe fails to understand about Europe
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 12 September 2025, 11:22:46
I feel sorry for our European friends, living in a world where several of the most heavily armed countries are run by crazy people.

The British Empire is the cause of the vaste majority of the fallout we're facing today.  So, them excluded, one can say yea EU generally isn't as responsible.
Title: Re: What Europe fails to understand about Europe
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 12 September 2025, 12:13:54
"All war is a symptom of man’s failure as a thinking animal."

- John Steinbeck - “Once There Was a War”