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Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Thu, 11 November 2010, 13:29:11
Based on the thread for the last round of double-shot replacements (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=11998) it seems that there has been some interested expressed in a second round. I'm posting this thread to gauge interest and solicit ideas. I might volunteer for being the organizer. Target time frame would be in the new year.

It seems like 50 orders is a good minimum to make the set affordable, so that'll be the target. I'm thinking going with a different color scheme from last time, just for variety, and some alternate and/or novelty keys (e.g. the alternate OS keys, WASD keys, etc.).

Some possible ideas (maybe not all are feasible):
 - Alternate control/caps lock as last time
 - Different color scheme from last time (two tone blue or green? all black?)
 - Novelty OS keys (something cooler than diamonds)
 - Game specific icon keys
 - I18N booster pack like last time
 - Italic font similar to stock Filco (Signature said something about having this in the new year)

POLL INSTRUCTIONS: Please vote for all options that apply to you. For example, if you are interested in the base set plus some gamer keys, please vote for both.

For those suggesting a color scheme, please provide an example. It doesn't have to be realistic artwork, just color swatches with text on them is fine.

I am inquiring with signature about custom artwork. I will probably do the trollface key as its own project; I think there are probably quite a few interested people who might want one who wouldn't want to order a whole set of keys.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Thu, 11 November 2010, 13:33:05
Is that something we can get from signature?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 11 November 2010, 13:35:20
The Filco font looks like this

(http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/filco_104_brown_02.jpg)

(http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/filco_104_brown_01.jpg)


Anyway good idea :]


Quote from: ripster;245479
If they were Cherry Double Shot clones (thickness, profile and font) I'd be happy.  Harvesting off of POS keyboards is a PITA and used ones tend to be shiny and well used.


Just like Fwiffo asked, can they be convinced to make the thickness etc same like Cherry mold ?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 11 November 2010, 13:41:07
Some ideas for a windows alternative

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/31/52756796_0ec449272c.jpg?v=0)

(http://easytechtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/mac-command-key.png)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: didjamatic on Thu, 11 November 2010, 13:55:43
Black or Color - something you can't get elsewhere (color) or something that works with many other keyboards (black)
Standard font so you can mix and match with other keyboards
I second the thickness and profile of the vintage cherries.  
Fit as many keyboards as possible
Multiple sizes of Control keys for use replacing capslock
Extra Win and Menu keys for both standard and wide front rows
Some unique extra keys, I don't care about WASD keys at all.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: tjweir on Thu, 11 November 2010, 14:20:08
I would love all the keys in this photo from the original thread:
http://imgur.com/rJLpu.jpg

The same colours and the same font.

The only change I'd make is dropping the Windows key (Macs only here)

Is shipping to Canada an issue?

Thanks for taking the initiative.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Thu, 11 November 2010, 14:34:36
Brian mentioned that changes to the base key profile are costly when we looked at this back in May. Worst case scenario signature says they can't do it.

Quote from: ripster;245484
Futura italic.  Sort of.

That dude needs a DataVac.

As far as the Filco font goes, this was the response on that back when I was asking in May:

Quote from: Signature Plastics
At this point almost all of our legends (characters) are run in an Arial type font. We have had requests from several companies for the font on the Filco keyboards (I am told this is a modified narrow italicized gothic Futura font of some sort [em. mine]). We are working on having this available, however without any immediate requests, it has been put on the back burner. To give you a bit of understanding: to create a custom font, we have to have a 'line font' or image that is then cut onto a 4"x4" piece of plexi (using our Roland CNC Engraver which has a limited font selection). This 4x4 plexi this then used to engrave the image onto a smaller 1"x1" piece of brass. The brass is what is used to create the legends in the first shot. As you can imagine this is a bit of a time consuming process, especially for 103 various legends. While we can offer different fonts (which I unfortunately don't have a list of), if it isn't something we anticipate using the future, there may be an additional charge, depending on the font. Did you have any particular fonts in mind? (my apologies for the rambling - if you were to go the Filco type font, there would not be an extra charge).

Quote from: tjweir;245515
I would love all the keys in this photo from the original thread:
http://imgur.com/rJLpu.jpg

The same colours and the same font.

The only change I'd make is dropping the Windows key (Macs only here)

Is shipping to Canada an issue?

Thanks for taking the initiative.

I don't think that you're going to see a repeat of the last set anytime soon...most people who wanted them ordered them on the last order :p
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 11 November 2010, 14:42:17
I just asked about that alternate font last week. It's on the back burner until January.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 11 November 2010, 14:45:59
Black, nice clean font.  That is all.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Thu, 11 November 2010, 14:46:45
I'm really fond of the "if you were to go the Filco type font, there would not be an extra charge" part. Although the rest of it makes me a little more pessimistic about having any kind of custom art. I'm still kinda hung up on having a trollface guy key.
Quote
I just asked about that alternate font last week. It's on the back burner until January.
If it's me organizing it, I'm not planning on doing this until the new year, so this could still work out.

On the other hand, if nobody likes the Filco font, I guess it's not a must-have. I really like it myself.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: zefrer on Thu, 11 November 2010, 14:47:39
Cherry switches right?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Thu, 11 November 2010, 14:48:36
Yes. Alps people can go do their own damn set.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Thu, 11 November 2010, 14:49:40
Quote from: Fwiffo;245548
I'm really fond of the "if you were to go the Filco type font, there would not be an extra charge" part. Although the rest of it makes me a little more pessimistic about having any kind of custom art. I'm still kinda hung up on having a trollface guy key.


If you do the trollface key, I'd definitely be in for one or two of those.

That said, having just bought two sets of the other one, and having only three compatible keyboards at this moment (one is Otaku, so I feel that getting doubleshots would be "missing the point"), I can't say I'm interested in another entire set. Possibly a few novelty keys, but that's it.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: tjweir on Thu, 11 November 2010, 14:50:37
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;245533
I don't think that you're going to see a repeat of the last set anytime soon...most people who wanted them ordered them on the last order :p


Another reason to be annoyed that I missed the first order.  Such a good looking set.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Thu, 11 November 2010, 14:52:27
Quote from: Fwiffo;245552
Yes. Alps people can go do their own damn set.

Hey, some people really like Alps switches...

Just kidding, for the most part. As far as the one guy that does:

(http://imgur.com/YAM0c.png)

Quote from: tjweir;245557
Another reason to be annoyed that I missed the first order.  Such a good looking set.

I mean, the retro look is really cool, but I'm tempted to give one set to someone else and get a second set of a different variety. It seems multiple people were disappointed that they missed out and it'd give me a chance to get something different too.

If I do sell my second set, it'd be at WhiteRice's original price and shipping (I wouldn't be looking to make a profit; at cost, plus just enough money for Priority Mail Flat Rate shipping).

Definitely keeping one though; love the retro look. Just worried it might get old if I'm looking at it on several keyboards, and I might be able to cheer someone up in the process.

However, I'll wait to see if a second order (with different color/font/etc.) panned out first. In the meantime, I'll open one set and leave the other in the bag.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Thu, 11 November 2010, 14:55:07
Quote from: tjweir;245557
Another reason to be annoyed that I missed the first order.  Such a good looking set.

I mean, the retro look is really cool, but I'm tempted to give one set to someone else and get a second set of a different variety. It seems multiple people were disappointed that they missed out and it'd give me a chance to get something different too.

If I do sell my second set, it'd be at WhiteRice's original price and shipping (I wouldn't be looking to make a profit; at cost, plus just want enough money for Priority Mail Flat Rate shipping).

Definitely keeping one though; love the retro look. Just worried it might get old if I'm looking at it on several keyboards, and I might be able to cheer someone up in the process.

However, I'll wait to see if a second order (with different color/font/etc.) panned out first. In the meantime, I'll open one set and leave the other in the bag.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: tjweir on Thu, 11 November 2010, 14:58:32
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;245565
If I do sell my second set, it'd be at WhiteRice's original price and shipping (I wouldn't be looking to make a profit; at cost, plus just want enough money for Priority Mail Flat Rate shipping).


Message me if you decide to part with your second set.  

Cheers.
Title: Italic font? No way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 11 November 2010, 15:31:07
Quote from: Fwiffo;245477

Some possible ideas (maybe not all are feasible):
 - Alternate control/caps lock as last time
 - Different color scheme from last time (two tone blue or green? all black?)


would be great to have some additional keys for the current set in the same color scheme.

Quote from: Fwiffo;245477

 - Novelty OS keys (something cooler than diamonds)
 - Game specific icon keys
 - I18N booster pack like last time

OK, go ahead!

Quote from: Fwiffo;245477

 - Italic font similar to stock Filco (Signature said something about having this in the new year)

Italic sucks for keyboard-labeling. It makes the whole thing asymmetric.

Key labels must be centered and upright!

Look at all the keyboards from the good old days, look at old typewriters: All have upright labeling.

It would be great to have all the top-row keys with centered labels as well, as the keys.

Would be also great to have keys labeled with Up, Down, Left, Right, instead of those stupid arrows for the an-alphabetics.

And please, get rid of those other arrows at Tab, Return, Backspace and Shift!

Along with Control and Alt, I need Super, Hyper and Meta for the bottom row. Some people would still like an un-stepped Control key for Cherry boards (off-center key-stem).

For the top-row, a Compose-key would not be a bad idea.
Also include a Compose-key for the bottom-row for Sun-layout lovers.

Ah ...  yes, and for the 6-key-block above the cursorkeys, I would like to have:

(  )  %
{  }    :

Coming originally from Model-F-style layout, I had never used these keys until I gave them usefull tasks:-)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: theferenc on Thu, 11 November 2010, 15:37:01
What about those of us with Topre boards? I'll grant you the alps bit, though. Those a royal PITA to deal with.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: celery on Thu, 11 November 2010, 15:37:34
I'd say that the last order was a nice, safe color choice. I'd like to see something more exotic this time around, like a set in green or a checkerboard pattern.

By the way, how customizable is the doubleshot color (the color of the legends)? Can we do something besides black and white for them?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 11 November 2010, 15:40:03
Quote from: celery;245586
I'd say that the last order was a nice, safe color choice. I'd like to see something more exotic this time around, like a set in green or a checkerboard pattern.

By the way, how customizable is the doubleshot color (the color of the legends)? Can we do something besides black and white for them?
Yes, any color they have in stock. Which is lot.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: zefrer on Thu, 11 November 2010, 15:46:13
Blood red keycaps for the alphabetic keys?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: RoboKrikit on Thu, 11 November 2010, 15:46:39
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;245555
If you do the trollface key, I'd definitely be in for one or two of those.


If there is a trollface key, it should be trollface on every key of the entire set.  Trolltaku.  Otaku roll?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Thu, 11 November 2010, 15:48:35
I don't own any Topre boards, so somebody else would have to organize a Topre set.

The legends can be any of the available colors AFAIK. I would be curious to hear ideas for color schemes; those with any kind of Photoshop talent should start making mock-ups to sell their color ideas to the rest of the group.

The last batch was a retro look, so I'm thinking modern this time around in terms of font and legend placement.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Thu, 11 November 2010, 15:53:26
Quote from: RoboKrikit;245593
If there is a trollface key, it should be trollface on every key of the entire set.  Trolltaku.  Otaku roll?

I'd actually strongly consider buying that, especially since an order of all trollface keys would probably substantially lower the cost per key.

I doubt there would be enough interest though.

Can I hop on your computer for a sec?

Oh, sure...

Why are there no letters on these keys?

...problem?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Thu, 11 November 2010, 15:57:53
An otaku with just a trollface for the Esc key would be epic.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: WhiteRice on Thu, 11 November 2010, 15:59:28
Yeah that's pretty funny. Blank caps are really cheap too.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Tavisto on Thu, 11 November 2010, 16:02:14
I would love a set that are black with green letters in a monospace font. Just like all the old green screen terminals.  Although I would be willing to give up the font, black keys with green letters would be really cool.

I would also love to replace my windows key with something a bit more interesting as I use both Mac and linux machines.

I would love to get some keys that were special colors for vim home row keys as well.
hjkl -> green with black letters and the rest black with green letters.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Thu, 11 November 2010, 16:05:33
I'd love a set, but I think the one thing that'd stop me (the reason I didn't pipe up last round) would be making do with blank keys in the international booster set. I am learning to touch type but I'm not the only person using the keyboard.

On the colour scheme note, some riff on black and blue would go great with the LEDs on my MX brown Filco ^-^
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 11 November 2010, 16:08:53
Quote from: theferenc;245585
What about those of us with Topre boards? I'll grant you the alps bit, though. Those a royal PITA to deal with.


Topre keys are dye sublimated :X isn't that plenty good enough ? The keyboard by itself is plenty expensive already :/
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Thu, 11 November 2010, 16:16:31
I am not familiar with international layouts, so if somebody has a suggestion on how to make the international booster pack more functional, I'm all ears.

I think the terminal color scheme is clever, but bright green legends on a dark green background might look even more authentic than green on black.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: woody on Thu, 11 November 2010, 16:26:31
How about grey keys with black labels, for a change. :rofl:
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Thu, 11 November 2010, 16:35:13
Brown keys
yellow lettering

Actually, alternate between the two colors every other key, like a checkerboard
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 11 November 2010, 16:35:24
I"M SO IN! My filcos are getting shiny after 4 months of use.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: guilleguillaume on Thu, 11 November 2010, 16:41:15
If somebody wants a very bright colour scheme combination you always can think in Green Keys like on this Topre or maybe Yellow too:
(http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/files/attach/images/32787/675/856/001/%E3%80%8Cilovex%E3%80%8D%E3%81%AE%E3%80%8C20%E5%91%A8%E5%B9%B4%E3%80%8D%E3%81%AB%E3%81%8B%E3%81%91%E3%81%A6%E3%82%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%81%AE%E8%89%B2%E3%82%92%E5%A4%89%E3%81%88%E3%81%A6%E3%81%84%E3%81%BE%E3%81%99%E3%80%82.jpg)

Lavender like the Filco set or Red are too common I think. Anyway what about Blue and not Lavender or we just can think about Bright Pink LOL

here i saw some nice ideas for colours: http://www.synctronics.com/case_studies.html

PD: I'm new at GEEKHACK and since I started reading here I'm only thinking on getting new keycaps and keyboards -.- (Where can ? say welcome to all? Is there an exclusive thread or something like that?)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Thu, 11 November 2010, 16:52:01
I would like a color combination that goes well with black, since most of the keyboards these are going on will have black bezels still.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Thu, 11 November 2010, 17:14:06
Quote from: Fwiffo;245610
I am not familiar with international layouts, so if somebody has a suggestion on how to make the international booster pack more functional, I'm all ears.


Hmmm, 6 standard keys, smaller shift key, and a large enter key. That's just the UK, an international booster set with legends could get quite large.

I read this in the first run's thread:

Quote from: sixty;232499
Back in march the Signature Plastics prices for single keys (note that the definition of a single key is any key outside of the standard 104 key set that we are ordering), were as following:

50 keys        $ 2.43 / each
100 keys        $ 1.41 / each

For legends they do not have you have to pay an additional $20 tooling setup. There is no possibility to order less than 50 keys. Keep in mind, this is PER key and PER legend.

So to even get a SINGLE french key you would already be paying $141.50, for the lowest order of 50 keys. Now multiply this times the number of keys that change in the French layout.

Yeah, unless you find a bunch of fifty desperate frenchmen, I agree that this will stay a dream.


If this is still the case I can see why blank keys were chosen. I however can't justify shelling out for what would be an incomplete set, so unless there's "a bunch of fifty desperate" englishmen...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JBert on Thu, 11 November 2010, 17:15:41
I'm not really interested in yet another qwerty set, but an option for Colemak keys would be a selling point for me (i.e. nubby keys for T and N, correctly profiled keys for all swapped characters).

Don't know how many others would be interested though...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: 7bit on Thu, 11 November 2010, 17:16:24
Quote from: Tavisto;245605
I would love a set that are black with green letters in a monospace font. Just like all the old green screen terminals.  Although I would be willing to give up the font, black keys with green letters would be really cool.

I would also love to replace my windows key with something a bit more interesting as I use both Mac and linux machines.

That green monster would make a good win-key replacement.

Quote
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/image.php?u=5841&dateline=1288493583)


Quote from: Tavisto;245605

I would love to get some keys that were special colors for vim home row keys as well.
hjkl -> green with black letters and the rest black with green letters.

This scheme would fit me much better than this WASD-nonsense. Would be more UNIX-like.

OK, it's settled:
Green on black with green-monster modifier keys for the bottom row.

I'm in for 2 sets :-)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Tavisto on Thu, 11 November 2010, 17:35:51
I would buy at least 2 sets.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: theferenc on Thu, 11 November 2010, 17:38:02
Quote from: 7bit;245631
That green monster would make a good win-key replacement.




This scheme would fit me much better than this WASD-nonsense. Would be more UNIX-like.

OK, it's settled:
Green on black with green-monster modifier keys for the bottom row.

I'm in for 2 sets :-)


I would order this set just IN CASE I ever decide to order a cherry compatible board. And it's green on black, except the VIM keys, which are black on green, yes?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Thu, 11 November 2010, 17:43:09
Quote from: Fwiffo;245601
An otaku with just a trollface for the Esc key would be epic.

Actually, I'm becoming more and more enamored with this idea. Would there be interest in running a batch of Trollface Esc keys as its own project?

(http://paradoxdgn.com/junk/avatars/trollface.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: ShadowMerc on Thu, 11 November 2010, 17:43:52
Color scheme:
For main keys -- Yellow with Black lettering
For Control keys -- Black with Yellow lettering

You could use the smileyface for the Windows character, and the radioactive symbol for the escape key.

Note:  I just recently bought the Rosewill RK9000, which is much nicer than the ABS M1 ever was.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: 2084 on Thu, 11 November 2010, 17:58:00
Since I missed the first set, call me in for a complete 104 key set.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: squarebox on Thu, 11 November 2010, 18:20:28
In for 104 set with multiple alternative boosters

Booster suggestions:
- Coloured Ctrl, Shift, Alt
- Alternative coloured WASD
- Alternative coloured arrow keys
- Inverse colour or different coloured F and J (typist)
- Stepped Caplocks
- Alternative coloured Num, Caps, Scroll lock
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: shakudan on Thu, 11 November 2010, 18:31:01
I would like in for the 104 keyset as well.  Maybe some gamer booster pack too.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 11 November 2010, 18:51:52
I think I'm going to save my money for a full set of click clack's Topre keys
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: squarebox on Thu, 11 November 2010, 19:14:46
Quote from: ripster;245683
Let's just say you'd be able to buy quite a few Signature sets for one full ClickClack set.


Ouch!!!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: chongyixiong on Thu, 11 November 2010, 19:36:13
I second the Colemak set but I would just be as happy for a standard Filco set - just like last time.

How was it possible that I missed the last one.. the Dolch colour scheme and the bigass centered typewrinter font is so pretty - for me.

Definitely in for one, whichever way it goes.. no pink, green, purple or yellow is my only request.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Thu, 11 November 2010, 19:39:22
Color scheme:

(http://www.diatec.co.jp/image_prod/NG02Y0_01.jpg)

Black modifiers will be cool.

AND a (or two) doubleshot windows key. Like [strike]skcheng's[/strike]Ripster's.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10340&stc=1&d=1274908351)
Is it skcheng's or ripster's? I saw it in the anti-otaku mod. It's ripster's huh?

Or blanks.

I definitely in for this one.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Doober on Thu, 11 November 2010, 20:39:03
Quote from: chongyixiong;245694
I second the Colemak set but I would just be as happy for a standard Filco set - just like last time.

How was it possible that I missed the last one.. the Dolch colour scheme and the bigass centered typewrinter font is so pretty - for me.

Definitely in for one, whichever way it goes.. no pink, green, purple or yellow is my only request.


Im a little confused with this at this stage, but basically when it gets down to brass tax of taking the pre-orders i will be down for probably anything in the Filco Layout. I will be ordering a Filco Brown Tenkeyless if Elite ever gets the damn things back in stock.


-doober
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Hak Foo on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:15:37
Quote from: 7bit;245582
would be great to have some additional keys for the current set in the same color scheme.


OK, go ahead!


Italic sucks for keyboard-labeling. It makes the whole thing asymmetric.


Symmetry is perfection!

(insert the image of Death the Kid from Soul Eater I can't find now)

I'd like to see more use of the key edges.  Why does only PrintScreen and Pause get the love here?

I could see:

Indicators of international mappings (for AltGr users)
Hangul, Katakana, or Bopomofo

Not interested in a set-- one $50 plus set per year is my budget limit-- but how about, instead of Cherry, go for fits-on-two-piece-IBM stems?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Hak Foo on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:25:01
Quote from: zefrer;245592
Blood red keycaps for the alphabetic keys?


BTDT.

What's cool is two-tone red-- my poor work board has been so dyed-- gets lots of attention.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Sam on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:33:51
Quote from: Hak Foo;245764

Not interested in a set-- one $50 plus set per year is my budget limit-- but how about, instead of Cherry, go for fits-on-two-piece-IBM stems?


Agree.  I bought a set of the first round, but don't even own a keyboard they can fit on, and actually don't know if I'll ever.  If not, it'll just sit boxed up.  Now an IBM set, that I would actually use.  If anyone did one though, I'd much prefer a cupped keycap, to give it that old Selectric look.  But I'm assuming it would cost a lot in setup charges, being I don't think Signature has any molds for that, nor do I doubt anyone else does.
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Post by: Grimey on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:33:58
A new lurker here brought out by these possibilities.  I would be in for a key set for either blanks or non-blacks.  Any comical special keys are interesting as well.

Thanks for looking into this.

Lurker => Grimey
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Post by: jmpespxoreax on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:37:57
Black on dark grey, like the HHKB, is an awesome color scheme:

http://www.elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/pdkb400b_full_th0x0.jpg
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 11 November 2010, 22:40:23
imma interested in DOLCH like the first order... too bad i couldn't get a set
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: steeef on Thu, 11 November 2010, 23:25:40
Quote from: panda-R;245788
imma interested in DOLCH like the first order... too bad i couldn't get a set
Ditto. I'd definitely be interested in the same lettering. Not too picky about the extras.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Laggy-gaga on Fri, 12 November 2010, 01:03:30
maybe some apple-white
like the set in south korean
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: RoboKrikit on Fri, 12 November 2010, 01:35:02
Can they do colored letters on black?

(http://imgur.com/y3rZI.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/3tWBc.jpg)

How'bout glow-in-the-dark plastic for the letters?

Or maybe IBM 'Think' style keys with gray function/cluster keys, and colored Enter keys?

(http://imgur.com/VZZdO.jpg)

(http://imgur.com/6VnrL.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: InSanCen on Fri, 12 November 2010, 01:39:42
Much as I love the idea, and applaud you for doing it, I'm saving for ClickClack's keyset. And yes, I know it will be far more expensive. Either that, or I learn to do it myself.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: sixty on Fri, 12 November 2010, 04:17:35
For those who keep asking about Topre keys from Signature Plastics... the tooling setup for a run of Topre keys is US$ 80000, I am serious.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: db_Iodine on Fri, 12 November 2010, 07:35:38
I'd be interested in a full 104-key layout with some novelty keys (trollface esc is an amazing idea) and the international boost pack (tall enter, narrow left shift etc)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: zefrer on Fri, 12 November 2010, 07:44:03
Topre caps are not going to happen, WhiteRice asked them last time. Too expensive, as sixty said.

I'd like to see one color on alphabetic keys and one color for modifiers etc. Yellow or red on alphas and dark grey or black on modifiers would look great on a black keyboard frame I think.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: db_Iodine on Fri, 12 November 2010, 07:53:34
Quote from: RoboKrikit;245826
Or maybe IBM 'Think' style keys with gray function/cluster keys, and colored Enter keys?

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/VZZdO.jpg)


The IBM style of coloring shown there would definitely be interesting.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Fri, 12 November 2010, 07:55:49
I think the trollface ESC cap is a fantastic idea and it'd look great.

(http://imgur.com/e5TPn.jpg)

Not 100% sure on the rest, but we'll see what pans out.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Sam on Fri, 12 November 2010, 08:08:27
Quote from: sixty;245843
For those who keep asking about Topre keys from Signature Plastics... the tooling setup for a run of Topre keys is US$ 80000, I am serious.


I don't doubt it for a second.  Our company regularly pays large sums for tooling costs for plastic cases.  The setup for even simple cases seem to cost at a minimum US$25,000.  Most average people who know nothing about manufacturing plastics never consider the setup costs in making these cheap plastic components.  Basically, for a small group buy, you have to forget about doing anything custom that the plastic company isn't already setup to do.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Fri, 12 November 2010, 08:56:36
I don't think trollface is very recognizable when inverted. But I think just putting it on a black background works pretty well. Of course, with dark legends on light colored keys it'll look just fine as is.

My only concern is the amount of detail that can be reproduced with the double-shot process.

(http://oi52.tinypic.com/33tic8l.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Fri, 12 November 2010, 09:39:30
OCN's keycaps came out pretty well, detail looks good. May want to ask Signature though.

(http://imgur.com/PMNp2.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Fri, 12 November 2010, 09:45:25
Yeah, the OCN keys were sorta my reference for what kind of artwork will work -- you can see that the tips of the flames are rounded whereas they aren't in the original logo. The lines in trollface's forhead are finer than any details in the OCN logo for instance. But I'm e-mailing signature to see what they say.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: guilleguillaume on Fri, 12 November 2010, 10:40:44
I'm with Ripster idea, Awesome Face looks cooler than a troll face.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: strikeme on Fri, 12 November 2010, 13:17:57
I would be interested in keycaps with bright colors.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Fri, 12 November 2010, 13:51:59
Those aren't the DCS key family though; their profile is dissimilar from the usual cylindrical shape. I expect that if we ordered custom keys in the same family as the "Kiss my ass!" key they'd be the same thickness.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Fri, 12 November 2010, 15:15:56
Awesome face or trollface? Why not both? I say we get a full novelty set for the ESC/Function row going.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Fri, 12 November 2010, 15:27:47
Each one is probably going to translate into expensive retooling costs. It's my understanding that the OCN keys at $5 per key are being sold at a loss. A set with trollface guy, awesome guy, **** yeah guy, rage guy, etc. could get very expensive.

I'm pretty hung-up on trollface myself, but awesome guy is simpler artwork, so it may end up working a lot better.

I've emailed signature to test the waters, but I guess they're not open on Fridays.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: VentiLator on Fri, 12 November 2010, 17:13:19
I'd definitely be in for a cool/trollface.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: celery on Fri, 12 November 2010, 18:21:52
I threw together some color ideas:



Similar to the last two tone, just in green and black. I know most of us have black keyboards, but I think this would look nice on a white shell.



I saw some interest in those yellow keycaps, so here's one to turn your keyboard into a bee. It's stripey on the alphanumeric block, though the keyboard template I "borrowed" (thanks google images) doesn't match up exactly with a real layout. It can probably be tweaked if we're interested in more of a checkering effect.

EDIT: I think it would be cool to have yellow legends on the black keys, but there's only so much you can do with mspaint.



Something more abstract, just to think about.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 12 November 2010, 18:30:28
That bumble bee layout is an awesome optical illusion. Think that would translate to reality?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: celery on Fri, 12 November 2010, 19:00:08
It would be a bonus; might help hide any crooked switches.Though apparently the color in between the blocks is important too...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caf%C3%A9_wall_illusion

This is where those colored plates become useful...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 12 November 2010, 19:03:27
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;245486
Some ideas for a windows alternative

Show Image
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/31/52756796_0ec449272c.jpg?v=0)


Show Image
(http://easytechtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/mac-command-key.png)


Probably the easiest way to make a "unisex" Windows key would be just to put nothing there. Or maybe a little dome or something.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: 2084 on Fri, 12 November 2010, 19:26:58
I'd rather not have distinctive color difference if they don't serve a function. But I'd be ok colored rows for touch typing or anything that has a purpose like wasd or modifier keys etc.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kaishi on Fri, 12 November 2010, 19:41:42
I'm liking this really out-there concepts.  This is kinda what I was thinking about initially :)  something bizarre and awesome.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 13 November 2010, 06:37:07
Not interested. If I can't get Swedish legends, then that would be no different to me from having a "otaku" keyboard without legends.
... And I have already got a real Dolch.

I might be interested in coloured "otaku"/legendless keycaps though.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: 2084 on Sat, 13 November 2010, 07:16:39
That translucent keyboard looks like something you would get as a consolation prize at a fair
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Megaweapon on Sat, 13 November 2010, 08:38:50
Quote from: Hak Foo;245769
What's cool is two-tone red-- my poor work board has been so dyed-- gets lots of attention.


Quote from: celery;246134
Though apparently the color in between the blocks is important too...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caf%C3%A9_wall_illusion

This is where those colored plates become useful...


And it falls into place.

All these RK-9000 boards with the red backplate?

Two-tone red keys.

Best idea so far, IMO.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: HaaTa on Sat, 13 November 2010, 09:50:48
If it's in January, I'm interested in a set.

I want thick keycaps, sorta like this :P
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_6WOoTO_7VuQ/TJ0yyRmm24I/AAAAAAAACNc/ZWF4bpBOy28/s800/2010-09-24%2018.50.20.jpg).
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Sat, 13 November 2010, 11:30:28
That is a hella thick keycap.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Sat, 13 November 2010, 15:41:56
OK, I'll volunteer a color scheme. The layout would be the same as the Dolch set, but instead of black and gray, it would be vivd blue. Ultramarine for the darker keys, and a shade lighter for the character keys. Legends would be white.

(http://oi51.tinypic.com/fw7kwp.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Sat, 13 November 2010, 17:19:38
It looks like adding Colemak support would add 13 keys (K, R, T, N, E, I, O, F, G, J, L, ;: and backspace change rows). I'm guessing it would add 10% to the cost of the set. Maybe it would make sense as a booster pack?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Sat, 13 November 2010, 17:35:48
Quote from: Fwiffo;246393
OK, I'll volunteer a color scheme. The layout would be the same as the Dolch set, but instead of black and gray, it would be vivd blue. Ultramarine for the darker keys, and a shade lighter for the character keys. Legends would be white.

Show Image
(http://oi51.tinypic.com/fw7kwp.jpg)


i still vote for a DOLCH set, but this could be good if the shades are done right.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Azuremen on Sat, 13 November 2010, 18:50:45
Quote from: Fwiffo;246393
Ultramarine for the darker keys, and a shade lighter for the character keys. Legends would be white.


As an Eldar 40k player, I must object. Damn Smurfs.

That aside, I'd like to see Black keys with dark Grey or Black legends.

That, or Black and White keys. Would work nicely with my Rosewill board.

I'm also interested in possibly getting different colored keys for T, F, B, E, and the A key for StarCraft II (Protoss stuff), along with 1, 3, and 5.

Also, any idea how much a full 104 key set would cost? I'm new around here and thus not fully aware of what to expect this to cost.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Sat, 13 November 2010, 18:55:04
The last set (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=11998) was $49 per set. Additional special keys and funky options would increase that.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: 2084 on Sat, 13 November 2010, 19:15:47
Quote from: Azuremen;246481
As an Eldar 40k player, I must object. Damn Smurfs.


Hah I was an Eldar and then Protoss player too, and when I talk about SC stuff I accidently keep calling Terrans -> Spacemarines and Protoss -> Eldar.

And I'll agree with you on the keys too, grey with black characters look great, see HHP2
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Sat, 13 November 2010, 20:06:03
Quote from: Fwiffo;246393
OK, I'll volunteer a color scheme. The layout would be the same as the Dolch set, but instead of black and gray, it would be vivd blue. Ultramarine for the darker keys, and a shade lighter for the character keys. Legends would be white.

Show Image
(http://oi51.tinypic.com/fw7kwp.jpg)


I am partially colour blind so forgive me that the colours are off but I thought I'd have a go at an "artist's impression" based on WhiteRice's photo.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/Doubleshot-Blue.png)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: RoboKrikit on Sat, 13 November 2010, 20:15:05
I think that would look decent with a white enclosure.  I'm betting most of the buyers here will have black keyboards, though.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: firestorm on Sat, 13 November 2010, 20:34:04
I'm not interested in anything too flashy myself.  To be honest, I'd be happy with all black keys to simply replacing these cheap stockers (they're getting very shiny.)  It doesn't appear that too many others want the stock look though, even if it had the large font.

The look of the dolch set is really growing on me.  I didn't think I'd like the vintage look all that much.  I saw that thread spawn, but as more of a lurker, I missed the important parts and missed out on ordering.

For something more flashy, I could probably go for something that incorporated some vintage blue and red.  I'm thinking of colors that were more common on equipment, like ATM machines.  Here's a good example from a recent thread here:
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=12561&highlight=keypad

I have an image of a much deeper red in my mind, but have no clue where it is coming from.

I've "re-colored" automobiles for automotive forums in the past.  If I can find the time to knock off the rust and remember how to do it, I may try to build some concept images.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 13 November 2010, 22:08:18
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/motivator54022ec7f72de8fc31b73bb17791e1d16668ee16.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: didjamatic on Sat, 13 November 2010, 22:11:17
Quote from: HaaTa;246290
If it's in January, I'm interested in a set.

I want thick keycaps, sorta like this :P
Show Image
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_6WOoTO_7VuQ/TJ0yyRmm24I/AAAAAAAACNc/ZWF4bpBOy28/s800/2010-09-24%2018.50.20.jpg)
.


WHAT IS THAT, THE HEAD OF A SLEDGEHAMMER?!?!?!  
I'd Love a set of caps that thick!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Sat, 13 November 2010, 22:37:41
If anybody wants to drop the 60 grand to pay for the retooling costs for thicker keys, I'll talk to signature about it.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: armenws on Sat, 13 November 2010, 23:01:55
me too
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: bakageta on Sun, 14 November 2010, 03:28:19
Yet another lurker here... Looks like as good of a place as any to make my first post... :P Personally, I'd rather have all the keys the same color, and then a booster pack for an alternate color for modifier keys if people want them... I just don't care for these two-tone setups.

Quote from: guilleguillaume;245620
If somebody wants a very bright colour scheme combination you always can think in Green Keys like on this Topre or maybe Yellow too:

Lavender like the Filco set or Red are too common I think. Anyway what about Blue and not Lavender or we just can think about Bright Pink LOL

here i saw some nice ideas for colours: http://www.synctronics.com/case_studies.html

PD: I'm new at GEEKHACK and since I started reading here I'm only thinking on getting new keycaps and keyboards -.- (Where can ? say welcome to all? Is there an exclusive thread or something like that?)

I'd totally be in for a bright pink set... :P I wouldn't mind seeing a black key, with pink, bright green, or bright blue lettering.

Quote from: Findecanor;246259
Not interested. If I can't get Swedish legends, then that would be no different to me from having a "otaku" keyboard without legends.
... And I have already got a real Dolch.

I might be interested in coloured "otaku"/legendless keycaps though.

This might be something to consider... Depending on the color, I'd certainly be interested.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: WhiteRice on Sun, 14 November 2010, 03:39:33
Wow a poring. Whatever happen to ragnarok online?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: bakageta on Sun, 14 November 2010, 03:48:41
*shrugs* I'm assuming it's still around, in some form or another. I haven't played it in a very long time.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Sun, 14 November 2010, 12:08:21
Still, a poring is cute. Marin is not. And a smurf board is not that cool.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Sun, 14 November 2010, 12:59:55
I wondering if it won't be possible to get a 50+ person consensus on a wild colored set. Would everyone prefer just a black set of double-shots with some extra keys?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Azuremen on Sun, 14 November 2010, 13:32:22
Quote from: Fwiffo;246719
I wondering if it won't be possible to get a 50+ person consensus on a wild colored set. Would everyone prefer just a black set of double-shots with some extra keys?


I think I would prefer a Black set more so. Black on Black like the Ducky keycaps, with some colors for certain keys.

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb40/Zetc/Ducky.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: guilleguillaume on Sun, 14 November 2010, 14:20:40
Quote from: Azuremen;246731
I think I would prefer a Black set more so. Black on Black like the Ducky keycaps, with some colors for certain keys.


Someone suggested before Keycaps matching the colour scheme from the HHKB 2 so it's actually similar to this you suggest. I think it's cool but anyway I don't find a reason for going with only Black on Black it must look boring, we need some colour in there on a few keys.

Anybody thought about a white double shot GEEK HACK? we can think about getting this key in all the colour availables to match every user taste so anybody can change when getting bored about the red one for example, you put a yellow one, a white one, bright blue ...look at this:
(http://www.fentek-ind.com/images/SNAPCAPS.jpg)

And this pic makes me crazy, I love those colours :
(http://www.datacal.com/store/images/prodCat_keycaps_large2.jpg)

Or what about a bone colour selection of keycaps like on this one:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/20ubyac.jpg)

It should look great with the black colour of some keyboards like they HHKB 2 from chongyixiong:
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=12338&d=1283473159)

But actually the HHKB 2 it's more like dark grey than black mmm I'm not sure about the perfect match with a black one.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Sun, 14 November 2010, 14:40:30
Black on black works for the ducky because they're pad printed. I don't think you'd be able to distinguish black-on-black double-shots from completely blank keys. I guess you could do dark gray on black or vice versa. I like the look of bone with the gray frame, but I don't think it would look as good with black.

Doing a group order of blanks might be another idea. It would be a lot cheaper and everyone might be able to customize their own sets.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: db_Iodine on Sun, 14 November 2010, 14:54:46
I'd be interested in a set of custom colored blanks for sure. The international booster pack might not get me all the legends so blanks might be a better option for me.
Title: Colors!
Post by: strikeme on Sun, 14 November 2010, 16:09:17
Colored blanks sound awesome!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Sun, 14 November 2010, 16:11:27
Orange looks strong don't you think? It's geekhack's colour.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/OrangeOtaku.png)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: strikeme on Sun, 14 November 2010, 16:30:31
Quote from: Twitchy;246768
Orange looks strong don't you think? It's geekhack's colour.

Show Image
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/OrangeOtaku.png)


You need to use more pastel colors, like the keys on the Model M above.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: didjamatic on Sun, 14 November 2010, 16:50:52
Finally a keyboard you can eat Cheetos while using

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/OrangeOtaku.png)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Sun, 14 November 2010, 19:00:33
Quote from: Fwiffo;246719
I wondering if it won't be possible to get a 50+ person consensus on a wild colored set. Would everyone prefer just a black set of double-shots with some extra keys?


I do want - as long it's not that blue. It's not dark nor light.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: microsoft windows on Sun, 14 November 2010, 19:03:05
Quote from: didjamatic;246784
Finally a keyboard you can eat Cheetos while using

Show Image
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/OrangeOtaku.png)


But it'll still feel greasy and cull of crumbs when you eat Cheetos.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: jmpespxoreax on Sun, 14 November 2010, 22:03:26
I think it would be excellent to have a dark grey on black, or black on dark grey, or DOLCH colours like last time.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Oqsy on Sun, 14 November 2010, 22:18:19
I'd love a set of 104-ish DOLCH color that would be profiled correctly for the mx-11900.  I took the set off my actual DOLCH board, and they're far too loose for the stems of the later brown cherry switches.  My escape key shoots off like a Pog whenever I hit it off-center.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: HaaTa on Sun, 14 November 2010, 22:47:39
Haha, Pogs.

(http://wussolympics.com/images/pogs.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Mon, 15 November 2010, 00:11:52
Quote from: RoboKrikit;245826
Can they do colored letters on black?

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/y3rZI.jpg)

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/3tWBc.jpg)



That's actually really sharp looking. Ok, so maybe you'd want to stick to just one color, but why must every keyboard be limited to white or black lettering?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: wap32 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 01:35:01
Quote from: Oqsy;246879
I'd love a set of 104-ish DOLCH color that would be profiled correctly for the mx-11900.  I took the set off my actual DOLCH board, and they're far too loose for the stems of the later brown cherry switches.  My escape key shoots off like a Pog whenever I hit it off-center.


This.
I already bought a set from the first round, but I'd seriously consider buying another if it included the keys to fit an ISO mx-11800.
IIRC, that would require different modkeys (Rshift, R/Lctrl, R/Lalt) plus spacebar, not counting the ISO differences (extra key, enter, Lshift).

Also, as it has been mentioned, a blank set would be pretty cool, preferably colored like the white/grey HHKB set.
A crazy idea would be to double-shoot just some of the keys, a blank keyboard w/ just the modkeys labeled, or enter, or esc or whatever.
Just thinking aloud...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: bakageta on Mon, 15 November 2010, 02:02:22
Quote from: Mr. Perfect;246903
That's actually really sharp looking. Ok, so maybe you'd want to stick to just one color, but why must every keyboard be limited to white or black lettering?


No reason this set would have to be... :P Some quick and dirty photoshops:

(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5195/doubleshotblue.png)

(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6434/doubleshotgreen.png)

(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4201/doubleshotpink.png)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: db_Iodine on Mon, 15 November 2010, 02:16:46
All three of those look pretty cool imo.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Mon, 15 November 2010, 02:18:22
Quote from: db_Iodine;246753
I'd be interested in a set of custom colored blanks for sure. The international booster pack might not get me all the legends so blanks might be a better option for me.

If the entire set was blank then the international booster keys wouldn't stand out. Throw in a geekhack key and something like a novelty meta key... I'd be in. Having said that, it doesn't have to be this time, I'm sure that there will be a geekhack otaku set at some point so I can wait.

edit: @bakageta. Oooh nice! Not sure about black and green though, makes it look like an xbox peripheral.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: gore on Mon, 15 November 2010, 02:39:32
I'm liking the green on black idea the most so far.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: bakageta on Mon, 15 November 2010, 03:01:48
I like the pink, personally, but I can see how it might have limited appeal. I think the blue looks good too, and I imagine more people would be up for that than the pink. I'm not a huge fan of the green, but it came up earlier in the thread, so I figured I'd do a quick mock-up while I was at it.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: tjweir on Mon, 15 November 2010, 07:27:44
Quote from: db_Iodine;246917
All three of those look pretty cool imo.


I agree.  If the special keys were the inverted colour scheme, that would look great.

Can anyone with better photoshop skills than me, invert the WASD keys?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: sapht on Mon, 15 November 2010, 08:05:50
I would die for a troll or awesome face escape key. Oh wow.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: 2084 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 10:11:34
Why not a geekhack theme, shades of blueish grey with some little orange accents.
Those flashy blue/pink/green ones makes me think you subliminally want a logitech design board :D
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: bakageta on Mon, 15 November 2010, 10:36:40
Quote from: tjweir;246943
I agree.  If the special keys were the inverted colour scheme, that would look great.

Can anyone with better photoshop skills than me, invert the WASD keys?


Again, quick and dirty... Like this?

(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4935/doubleshotbluewasd.png)

Also, +1 for awesome escape. I'm not big on trollface, plus it seems like it might be too complex to come out nice.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Mon, 15 November 2010, 10:44:19
Quote from: ripster;247010
Welcome to Geekhack!

We thrive on disagreeing with each other.


No we don't.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 15 November 2010, 11:12:20
I'm actually digging the blue legends on black, and it'll be a good match with everyone's black cases. Is there broad acceptance of that color scheme? I actually kinda like the pink-on-black too, but I expect that it's less popular.

I know green-screen was mentioned earlier, but I don't think the effect will quite be there without an old-skool monospace font, which we probably can't get.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: bakageta on Mon, 15 November 2010, 11:30:25
I still vote pink... :P Blue legends on black seems livable though, and could do a booster for black legends on blue WASD and Esc.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 15 November 2010, 11:54:33
I'm digging blue on black too. My second dolch set is still in bag and I'm debating between getting one from this order or just opening the second set and calling it a day.

I know there are people that really want a dolch set which is weighing into this, but I don't want to give it up until I know what the final plans for this are.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: zefrer on Mon, 15 November 2010, 12:07:13
How about purple? Blue is nice but maybe something a little more adventurous?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: db_Iodine on Mon, 15 November 2010, 12:37:06
My vote would also go for blue on black. Somehow the pink just wouldn't suit me.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: bakageta on Mon, 15 November 2010, 12:37:36
Quote from: zefrer;247045
How about purple? Blue is nice but maybe something a little more adventurous?


Purple actually looks pretty good... Could also do lavender, and the existing WASD keys would match.
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7949/doubleshotpurple.png)

Had to this while I was at it...
(http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/2294/doubleshotpinkwasd.png)

Any other color requests?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: woody on Mon, 15 November 2010, 12:54:19
You guys staring at the screen, or at the keyboard? :tongue:
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 15 November 2010, 12:58:36
The keyboard grows increasingly pimpish throughout the evening. Purple to blue fade:

(http://oi51.tinypic.com/1hwheg.jpg)

Probably the selection of colors wouldn't allow more than 3-4 steps (if that), so I wouldn't want to go through more of the spectrum than that or the steps would be jarring.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:18:44
I like blue on black.

What were the prices like with the last set?



I might get these and put them on the  U9-S or U9W prototypes, unless there'd be incompatibility. My main beef with their keys is that they're lasered and you can feel the legends very easily.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:23:47
The last price was $49 shipped, including the bonus keys but not including the euro layout booster pack.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:25:10
Do we know how well they fit iOne keyboards? Front row and stabilized keys especially.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:28:40
Good question.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:31:02
It might not be cost prohibitive to include some different sized front-row keys for increased keyboard compatibility.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:34:50
Anyone got a pic of a Costar stabilizer? I'll see about getting y'all a pic of an iOne stabilizer.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:41:25
Ok, the stabilizer style is the same. However, spacing might vary. :/
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:47:21
Ok, I'm measuring the LEFT SHIFT key. The plastic inserts, the measurement of the inside and outside of the holes for the bar.

Outside: 0.95mm +/-.1mm
Inside: 0.91mm +/-.1mm


The outside measure between the false stems where the stabilizers go in:
1.15mm +/-.05 (less flexible, so less margin of error)

Someone with a Filco and a caliper, see what numbers you get.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: woody on Mon, 15 November 2010, 14:51:41
I like it when Americans talk dirty in metric system.

(http://i.imgur.com/2DG4G.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:02:25
Oh man, that reminds me, I need to add some stocking stuffers to my Amazon wish list. What's a reliable, good quality brand of digital caliper?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:05:54
I say we brainstorm a bunch of layouts, mock them up, run a survey, and have people rank the layouts in order of preference. Rank whatever layouts you would buy (so if you only would buy one of them, you'd only rank one; if you like them all to varying degrees, you rank all of them, etc.)

Then, using the CSV you can just do simple math on the table. 1st rank gets 7 points, 2nd rank gets 6, etc. (something like that). Whatever gets the most points wins.

Or maybe we can come to a consensus in the thread. We agreed on Dolch pretty quickly on the last one.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:05:55
Damfino. I'm using a Harbor Freight Tools $20 special. Centech I believe. Works well enough for my needs.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:15:36
Quote from: ripster;247139
I don't remember getting a choice there.  

I like polls - what's a CSV?


Comma separated values (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma-separated_values). Survey tools like LimeSurvey will put out to it and it's pretty compatible with everything (works with Excel too; so you can export the CSV, Excel can convert it to an XLS, and then you can run whatever VLOOKUPs, SUMs, and formulas if you want.

Simple but effective file format.

Or you can open it in an entirely different program if you choose.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:17:52
Quote from: Phaedrus2129;247135
Damfino. I'm using a Harbor Freight Tools $20 special. Centech I believe. Works well enough for my needs.


at the end pages of some magazines (maxum, pop sci) there is usually a harbor freight coupon page and usually the digital caliper is 8bucks w/ coupon (or 10?)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:19:58
Quote from: Lanx;247150
at the end pages of some magazines (maxum, pop sci) there is usually a harbor freight coupon page and usually the digital caliper is 8bucks w/ coupon (or 10?)


IIRC they had three; one $15 one that came in a half-blister package (probably the coupon one), my $25 Centech one which came with a case and a couple extra batteries, and a branded one that cost $45.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:27:13
Wait... What setting was my caliper on?

One sec



Edit: Derpaderp. It was set to imperial. Those measurements are inches.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 15:37:40
Yay!


Ok, here's another thing to consider.

Nubs for F, J, and 5


I vote the centered dot style if possible.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Mon, 15 November 2010, 19:47:49
The blue on black looks sweet. I wonder if they have a shade of blue that matches the blue LEDs on the Filco brown boards. :wink:

What does the gaming booster pack consist of? Colored WASD keys?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 15 November 2010, 19:58:36
There's not been any discussion of what a gaming booster pack might consist of. Special colored WASD keys would probably be part of the base set. I was thinking a gaming pack might include keys with special icons, but the number of icons, games, etc. may make it cost prohibitive.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 15 November 2010, 20:56:46
oh man game keys would be awesome!
fireball (hadoken)
pistol
knife
machinegun
hurricane
2 boots
shield
grenade
lightning bolt
tire

10 possible icons that could probably be used in most games and interchanged.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 15 November 2010, 21:02:17
fwiffo, if you want, I can set up a LimeSurvey instance on a free web host. That'd allow you to conduct a survey (with images and a variety of question forms) and get usable data regarding what people's preferences are to a much greater degree than a vBulletin poll allows.

I just need a little advance notice to set up Limesurvey on a free webhost (it'll support SQL, but it'll get slow if more than a couple people are on at the same time. We're not serving video, so I doubt that'll be a huge problem).

Anyhow, let me know.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Mon, 15 November 2010, 21:47:43
Maybe do two gaming booster packs. One for FPS, one for fantasy.

Most FPS games have a pretty consistent weapons system.
1 - melee
2 - pistol(s)
3 - SMG(s)
4 - shotgun(s) OR sniper(s)
5 - explosives
6,7,8 - special (could use lightning bolt as a generic)

Those keys would fit 90% of FPS games I've played. Really since those would all be on the number row you'd just need melee, pistol, SMG, shotgun, sniper, grenade or TNT or something, and a few lightning symbols. Don't even bother with the shift key or anything like that, just the weapon selection would be awesome enough for most I think.

The great thing about something like that is it can be marketed to the OCN gaming crowd. You could do a batch of 50 booster packs, then hawk them on OCN and other gaming forums. Might even be able to convince people to get mechanical keyboards, just for the awesome custom keycaps.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 15 November 2010, 23:21:12
re: surveys - I'm not too worried about it at this point, but I'll keep that in mind. I figure whoever puts themselves in charge of organizing the order gets ultimate veto power over the set. :-) Anyhow, I'm a programmer at a web development firm and could put up a survey or whatever on one of my own domains. Again, I'm looking at doing this order in the new year.

re: game booster packs - I'm still inquiring about what kind of pricing we're looking at for custom art on double-shot keycaps. It could easily be in the range of $5 per key. Yeah, there might be a market for such keys, but $40 for a set is probably going to be too steep for most people.

I was really thinking about SCII packs, but the number of combinations is a lot more complicated. Even if I just did number hot-keys, the combinations of the number of units, buildings, etc. If I did unit or building hotkeys, that's even more icons and I have to handle both standard and grid layout for all three races... And the time it will take to develop all the art that looks good in two colors and fits the detail restrictions...

Quote from: The Ebullient Melissa at Signature Plastic
We are a bit limited on the detail with the 2-shot process as there has to be adequate room for material to flow on the keycap. The general rule is if there are gaps or 'islands' on a character, the space must be at least 0.008".

I'm going to bite the bullet and getting a sample ring of the available colors -- it's 35 bucks, but I figure I can send it off to the person who organizes the next project after me.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Mon, 15 November 2010, 23:31:12
SC2 packs would be a pretty big hit with the Koreans buying up all the Filco boards.:suspicious:

Was the Filco font extra?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 15 November 2010, 23:44:03
Filco font is a no-go. They were talking about doing it, but they've actually been backlogged and doing something like adding a new font is a huge project. It doesn't look like it's going to be available anytime in the near future.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: bakageta on Mon, 15 November 2010, 23:48:21
Aww... What other options for font do we have then?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 15 November 2010, 23:56:05
Different sizes and placements of the same font. :-/
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: bakageta on Tue, 16 November 2010, 00:44:11
Well, I suppose if they were roughly the same size/location as the Filco keys I'd be ok with that. I'd just rather not have the giant retro look going on.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: MyNameIsDan on Tue, 16 November 2010, 00:48:25
Quote from: bakageta;247382
Well, I suppose if they were roughly the same size/location as the Filco keys I'd be ok with that. I'd just rather not have the giant retro look going on.


I'm with you. The first round on double shots looked a little funny with the huge retro letters in dead center. Filco placement and font is just too nice. At least having the placement like the Filco would be great.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: strikeme on Tue, 16 November 2010, 00:51:08
That's why blanks make so much sense.
1) no font problems or disputes
2) cost less (probably)
3) they're awesome!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: MyNameIsDan on Tue, 16 November 2010, 00:51:51
I'd be down for blanks too, just black blanks :P
Well, I guess whatever goes well with majestouch, the orange was too much for me.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Azuremen on Tue, 16 November 2010, 00:54:11
I'm down for blanks. If we do go with legends, I would like it if they were small and in the upper left or some such. They are kind of nice to have sometimes for those of us that aren't perfect touch typists, but certainly don't need much contrast I feel.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 16 November 2010, 01:05:59
I have inquired about prices/options on blanks. I'm certain they'll be much cheaper than custom-manufactured double-shots anyhow. But no reason it couldn't be part of one big order to get the maximum possible price-break. And I have gotten kinda excited about purple or blue legends on black keys.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: bakageta on Tue, 16 November 2010, 01:08:49
Quote from: MyNameIsDan;247386
I'd be down for blanks too, just black blanks :P
Well, I guess whatever goes well with majestouch, the orange was too much for me.

I'd say there's no real point in doing a set of black blanks, when you can already order a full set of filco black blanks... We might get them cheaper, but I'd imagine quite a few people who'd be interested in black blanks would've already ordered them. I'd be interested in colored blanks, depending on the color, but that may be even harder to get people to agree on...

Quote from: Fwiffo;247390
I have inquired about prices/options on blanks. I'm certain they'll be much cheaper than custom-manufactured double-shots anyhow. But no reason it couldn't be part of one big order to get the maximum possible price-break. And I have gotten kinda excited about purple or blue legends on black keys.

I'd be very interested in just how cheap sets of blanks would be, or what kind of minimum order it'd take... I'd love a bright pink set, but I know it's something that not many people would be interested in, so it's probably nothing I'll ever have. Maybe if the minimum order is small enough I can drum up some other interest in em... :P
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: woody on Tue, 16 November 2010, 03:52:29
Do two piece blank-likes - shell and a small frame on top in one colour, the rest of the top surface in other colour. Make few different selections for the "other" colour, i.e. the outer shell colour stays the same. That should satisfy the rainbow mania, be Otakuish, and be on the cheap side.

EDIT: This way, the legend will be rounded rectangle, filling most of the keycap top. Try experimenting with other ideas, like centered circle, Ying-Yang, etc.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: eMps on Tue, 16 November 2010, 05:41:34
Quote from: bakageta;247393
I'd be very interested in just how cheap sets of blanks would be, or what kind of minimum order it'd take... I'd love a bright pink set, but I know it's something that not many people would be interested in, so it's probably nothing I'll ever have. Maybe if the minimum order is small enough I can drum up some other interest in em... :P


Heck yes. Bright pink blank keys with a white case.. that would look awesome.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Tue, 16 November 2010, 07:18:13
Quote from: woody;247401
Do two piece blank-likes - shell and a small frame on top in one colour, the rest of the top surface in other colour.


I assume that two piece blanks like this would need tooling, unless they've produced them before?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: verbel on Tue, 16 November 2010, 08:15:45
I would definetly be down for a set of printed keys no matter what the colors are. I would also be interested in blank keys but only if they are in a differnt color as I already have black ones. I like the orange in Twitchy's avatar :nerd:
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 16 November 2010, 08:23:42
As far as I know, they don't do two-piece blanks, and I'm not sure what the benefit would be...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: woody on Tue, 16 November 2010, 09:23:52
Quote from: Twitchy;247432
I assume that two piece blanks like this would need tooling, unless they've produced them before?

Just a setup for a single keycap. I saw discussion for creating many custom keycap legends, so I understand the crowd is ready to swallow tooling costs.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: woody on Tue, 16 November 2010, 09:26:43
Quote from: Fwiffo;247449
As far as I know, they don't do two-piece blanks, and I'm not sure what the benefit would be...

The "blank" is as to lack of information from the legend, normal two-piece otherwise. It could be just a large rounded square or other figure.
Benefit - single tooling setup, Otaku style, your favourite legend all over the keyboard. Suppose you do a set of say 6 colours, 30 pieces each - then one can arrange his/her own rainbow Feng Shui.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Tue, 16 November 2010, 09:36:56
I still vote black and blue. I think that will appeal to the most people.



On a side note, for better or worse I'm calling the headsup over at OCN. You're welcome. ;)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: reaper on Tue, 16 November 2010, 09:57:27
That blue on black looks really good.  That's the one I'd vote for.

Woohoo.. first post here. :biggrin:
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Tue, 16 November 2010, 10:03:39
Quote from: woody;247479
Just a setup for a single keycap.


Oh ok, I thought that there would be tooling costs for each different key profile and shape (e.g. shift and backspace).
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 16 November 2010, 11:11:32
Quote from: woody;247482
The "blank" is as to lack of information from the legend, normal two-piece otherwise. It could be just a large rounded square or other figure.
Benefit - single tooling setup, Otaku style, your favourite legend all over the keyboard. Suppose you do a set of say 6 colours, 30 pieces each - then one can arrange his/her own rainbow Feng Shui.

You're going to have to use more words or a picture or something. I don't even know what you mean by a two-piece keycap, or if signature can even make them.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Tue, 16 November 2010, 11:33:42
Black caps, perhaps not with the usual white letters, maybe dark gray or red ones?
Also, I'd like to see some media/control/command caps... (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:5905)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: db_Iodine on Tue, 16 November 2010, 11:39:41
Has anyone done a photoshop of black caps with red lettering? I think that one might be cool too.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Tue, 16 November 2010, 11:40:22
Quote from: TheSoulhunter;247554
Black caps, perhaps not with the usual white letters, maybe dark gray or red ones?
Also, I'd like to see some media/control/command caps... (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:5905)


The MX relegendables don't look as nice as the ML ones.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Tue, 16 November 2010, 11:56:07
Quote from: Fwiffo;247546
You're going to have to use more words or a picture or something. I don't even know what you mean by a two-piece keycap, or if signature can even make them.
I think it was better described earlier in the thread.
Quote from: woody;247401
Do two piece blank-likes - shell and a small frame on top in one colour, the rest of the top surface in other colour. Make few different selections for the "other" colour, i.e. the outer shell colour stays the same. That should satisfy the rainbow mania, be Otakuish, and be on the cheap side.

EDIT: This way, the legend will be rounded rectangle, filling most of the keycap top. Try experimenting with other ideas, like centered circle, Ying-Yang, etc.
I personally prefer one colour blanks but I'm enjoying the discussion.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 16 November 2010, 11:57:50
Here's red:

(http://oi53.tinypic.com/16idv95.jpg)

I still like my purple/blue fade:

(http://oi51.tinypic.com/1hwheg.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Sov on Tue, 16 November 2010, 12:00:06
I'm a big fan of the blue on black someone posted earlier, but the two above this post look great as well.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: keyboardlover on Tue, 16 November 2010, 12:04:52
Quote from: Sov
I'm a big fan of the blue on black someone posted earlier, but the two above this post look great as well.


Hey Sov, welcome to Geekhack! Nice keyboard you got there...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Sov on Tue, 16 November 2010, 12:14:28
Thanks a lot - first mechanical I've owned and I love it.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Tue, 16 November 2010, 12:17:02
So.. Here's my rank.

1. Orange blanks
2. Purple/Blue fade
3. Blue on black
4. Pink on black
5. Red on black
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: judicata on Tue, 16 November 2010, 12:43:21
I have a second keyboard that I didn't get the last set for.

I'd take almost anything being discussed here, so long as it included a "Control" key for the capslock key (and assuming Fwiffo is in charge, I know it will).  Though I admit I'm partial to blue and the old IBM Thinkpad color scheme (before Lenovo took the personality out of it).
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: johnnysasaki on Tue, 16 November 2010, 12:47:25
I am new here but I have a few ideas (since I've been looking around for replacements for awhile now):

1. Simple blank black or white keys for the otaku look
2. Black keys with grey lettering to have a subtle middle ground between otaku and normal

You might also consider Dvorak users who would want different keys (U and H instead of F and J) to have the bumps for the home row (sorry, I don't know the proper name for that kind of key). Touch typists wouldn't care if the correct keys are in the right places functionally (since they don't need to look) but it does contribute to the look of the keyboard if you can set the caps to the Dvorak placements and have the raised keys be where they ought to. I am someone that is OCD enough to want the Dvorak keycap layout even if I don't look at my board while typing.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Tue, 16 November 2010, 12:51:46
Quote from: woody;247401
Do two piece blank-likes - shell and a small frame on top in one colour, the rest of the top surface in other colour. Make few different selections for the "other" colour, i.e. the outer shell colour stays the same. That should satisfy the rainbow mania, be Otakuish, and be on the cheap side.

EDIT: This way, the legend will be rounded rectangle, filling most of the keycap top. Try experimenting with other ideas, like centered circle, Ying-Yang, etc.


Like this?

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/Doubleshotblank.png)
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Post by: HaaTa on Tue, 16 November 2010, 12:57:17
That sorta reminds me of the Deck key caps.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Tue, 16 November 2010, 13:05:43
Quote from: Kairxa;247582
So.. Here's my rank.

1. Orange blanks
2. Purple/Blue fade
3. Blue on black
4. Pink on black
5. Red on black


My ranking is

1. Blue on black
2. Blue on black
3. Blue on black
4. Blue on black
5. Red on black
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Tue, 16 November 2010, 13:10:43
Quote from: Phaedrus2129;247607
My ranking is

1. Blue on black
2. Blue on black
3. Blue on black
4. Blue on black
5. Red on black

You absolutely love blues on black.

(random google picked)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 16 November 2010, 13:11:48
Dvorak seems to be less popular around here than Colemak and I think would require more new keys (keys in different rows have different profiles, so any key that changes rows or moves in or out of the nub positions need new keys). What version of Dvorak do people actually use and how many extra keys are needed? I think Colemak needs 13?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: woody on Tue, 16 November 2010, 13:28:08
Quote from: Twitchy;247599
Like this?

Show Image
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/Doubleshotblank.png)

Yes, thank you very much, Twitchy. Although I'd make the frame on top more pronounced, i.e. reduce the blue area. Try Ying-Yang or circle if you're good with picture editing.

About the tooling - I don't know how many tools have to be actually done at SP, but they already have the outer case profiles for the different rows and key sizes. Again - given that I saw ideas about doing custom font and symbols, my proposal should be much cheaper.

Double-shot and two-piece - hmm. I have seen those two used interchangeably, and I definitely meant double-shot sense, not relegendable.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 16 November 2010, 13:34:20
So, you basically want two-color blanks? Instead of legends, just a colored circle or rectangle?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Tue, 16 November 2010, 13:34:35
i wonder anyone will be interested with Glow in the dark Blank Key cap. by SP
ABS.
they cant do 2 shot on Glow in the dark material, but they have the blank 1 available.
and no PBT available.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Tue, 16 November 2010, 13:38:07
Only thing I've seen thus far that I'd give serious thought to purchasing would be the blue on black. Not a fan of the purple to blue fade either.

fwiffo, I read the reply from a couple pages back from Melissa @ SP. So is the trollface not feasible? I'm really ****ty with understanding dimensions in general...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: johnnysasaki on Tue, 16 November 2010, 13:41:23
I think you'd get plenty of hits doing a bunch of blank black sets just because they are no longer sold by EliteKB and because they'd work for any layout without hassle. Also, I am not sure if this is implied but hopefully orders can be made for flat/normal keys instead of domed ones for the Windows keys. Mac and Linux users will be happy to be on level terms. Plus, the domed Windows keys are ugly anyway.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: kps on Tue, 16 November 2010, 13:49:56
I'd buy a set or two if and only if they have spherical tops, like Signature's SA, SS, or DSS.

As far as colours go, my preference would be a common legend colour and three different base colours: alphabetic, non-alpha printable, and non-printable.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: woody on Tue, 16 November 2010, 13:50:01
Quote from: Fwiffo;247621
So, you basically want two-color blanks? Instead of legends, just a colored circle or rectangle?

I am just proposing something that more people could agree upon, and is cheaper. Put some colour choices, and you might have satisfied customers, even sell to OCN guys. Even put GH or trollface as the legend. :)
Myself, I'm ok with my Filco, but if I see sensible choices, I might hop in.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Tue, 16 November 2010, 13:54:07
Quote from: Kairxa;247613
You absolutely love blues on black.


More like this:

Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Tue, 16 November 2010, 14:00:59
Quote from: Phaedrus2129;247633
More like this:



That song was kinda great :)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kaishi on Tue, 16 November 2010, 14:01:19
Red legends on black keys would look hot.  Blue legends on black keys would be nice too, but I prefer LED-blue, so a backlit board would be more my style.  I don't much care for LED-red.

I know it would be cheesy, but another idea I had was to try to make an american flag key set.  I don't know if anyone would want to own such a thing (I wouldn't) but I would get a kick out of seeing it.  I'm thinking a block of blue keys with white legends, and then alternating rows of red and white keys, with black legends.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 16 November 2010, 14:06:48
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;247624
Only thing I've seen thus far that I'd give serious thought to purchasing would be the blue on black. Not a fan of the purple to blue fade either.

fwiffo, I read the reply from a couple pages back from Melissa @ SP. So is the trollface not feasible? I'm really ****ty with understanding dimensions in general...


It seems like a consensus is emerging around blue on black. Although I think the fade looks rad, I guess it's not very popular. :tsk:

As far as trollface, I'm in the process of evaluating that. The thick lines in the art are safely over the 0.008" limit. The fine lines are not. I'm going to see if adjusting the art to remove some of the fine lines and replace some with thicker ones is going to still look good. It's really pretty borderline.

If not, the simpler artwork of Awesomeface would work easily.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: zefrer on Tue, 16 November 2010, 14:11:15
Personally I think the fade is the best so far.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: johnnysasaki on Tue, 16 November 2010, 14:14:10
Has anyone thought of stuff like a ? mark box or mushroom or star or Goomba or 1Up à la Mario as possible artwork? I suspect that a keyboard of all keys printed with the ? icon (like this http://cl.ly/372u3r2f3n2y2b0h3Z3x but without the color) would be awesome.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: microsoft windows on Tue, 16 November 2010, 14:16:29
I definitely wouldn't prefer that.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JBert on Tue, 16 November 2010, 14:31:11
Quote from: Twitchy;247599
Like this?

Show Image
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/Doubleshotblank.png)
I was pondering this design for a while but I fear that the double shot might easily break.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: RoboKrikit on Tue, 16 November 2010, 14:58:29
Quote from: fssbzz;247622
i wonder anyone will be interested with Glow in the dark Blank Key cap. by SP
ABS.
they cant do 2 shot on Glow in the dark material, but they have the blank 1 available.
and no PBT available.


Too bad, double-shot glow-in-the-dark would be baller.  I had suggested that some pages back.

What do the glow-in-the-dark blank keycaps look like?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Tue, 16 November 2010, 15:01:21
something like
(http://www.dragonsteelmods.com/Images/reviews/RAPTOR-K1-keyboard/resize/tn_raptor-k1-keyboard23.JPG)
(http://keyboardporn.com/files/gimgs/24_cherryglow2.jpg)
from Cherry Raptor K1 gaming keyboard

but SP one will be the key cap are made by Glow in The Dark Material.
only blank and ABS available.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: manfaux on Tue, 16 November 2010, 15:14:09
Quote from: Azuremen;246731
I think I would prefer a Black set more so. Black on Black like the Ducky keycaps, with some colors for certain keys.

Show Image
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb40/Zetc/Ducky.jpg)


nice, id like a set of these as well~
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: RoboKrikit on Tue, 16 November 2010, 15:29:27
That is black print on black keycaps.  I don't know if black on black doubleshot keycaps make any sense.  The lettering would be completely flush with the key.  I can picture gray keycaps with black lettering, or vice-versa, though.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: johnnysasaki on Tue, 16 November 2010, 15:43:06
Quote from: Twitchy;246919
If the entire set was blank then the international booster keys wouldn't stand out. Throw in a geekhack key and something like a novelty meta key... I'd be in. Having said that, it doesn't have to be this time, I'm sure that there will be a geekhack otaku set at some point so I can wait.

edit: @bakageta. Oooh nice! Not sure about black and green though, makes it look like an xbox peripheral.


Please! @ a geekhack otaku set.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Tue, 16 November 2010, 16:04:54
Quote from: Phaedrus2129;247558
The MX relegendables don't look as nice as the ML ones.

Actually I didnt mean relegendable caps, but double shot caps with pictograms ;)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Tue, 16 November 2010, 16:14:23
Quote from: Fwiffo;247568
Here's red:

Show Image
(http://oi53.tinypic.com/16idv95.jpg)

I really start to like the red on black idea, tho with a different font...
But I got another one -> Green on black with some terminal font -> The Matrix board :P
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 16 November 2010, 16:51:54
Some more news from Signature...

The only blanks they generally stock are overruns from other orders and they generally don't have complete sets. Any blank sets we want would have to be run custom. Small numbers of sets are insanely expensive, so it would have to be 25-50 before it becomes affordable. They also have to purge the machine after each run of each color, so every change costs an additional $25. So we could get a bunch of blanks sets if there were at least 25 people or so interested in the same color. We can probably get that many who would be happy with black blanks. I myself would like an otaku set in addition to the new double-shot set.

I've played around with trollface, I think it can meet the manufacturing limitations with a little fudging and still look pretty great.

I'm ordering a color sample ring. I'm not going to try too hard to decide on color schemes until I see what the colors look like. Complicated color schemes that require several color changes will probably be significantly more expensive.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Tue, 16 November 2010, 16:53:48
Quote from: TheSoulhunter;247721
Actually I didnt mean relegendable caps, but double shot caps with pictograms ;)


I know this isn't what you mean, but that just screams Egyptian Hieroglyphic key set. :hat: To cool.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: woody on Tue, 16 November 2010, 18:28:01
Quote from: Twitchy;247599
Show Image
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/Doubleshotblank.png)



Some random symbols I snatched off the net:
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13527&stc=1&d=1289953556)

And the following have such a style:
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13528&stc=1&d=1289953556)

Imagine Otaku with all keycaps with the same symbol. Anyway, just some ideas.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Parak on Tue, 16 November 2010, 18:54:42
I had an idea on the symbol thing a while back, where the symbols are simple geometric shapes - circles, triangles, squares, and so on. For example, all of the regular keys might be circles, backspace might be something like "<<<" with triangles, tab " ", function keys are square, and so on. Tooling costs are likely to be prohibitive though, even if the shapes are simple.

Another thing that I'd be quite interested in are 1x2 and 1x1 keys, blank or symboled for matrix or programmable boards. The ones that are available commercially generally have weird profiles. In fact I'd love to see 1x1 alt/ctrl/win/menu/tab keys; I bet signature makes them for pos applications all the time :p
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: dizzyone on Tue, 16 November 2010, 18:55:28
I got a bit bored and decided to create a 3d model to show my designs (actually I just got bored and made a 3d model, my designs suck).

(http://imgur.com/krxs1.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/jgqIj.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/6kTtI.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/L6rlT.jpg)

Got a bit lazy putting the letters on there, but meh, I'm considering to join this round, as long as theres some colored keys in the deal :)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Tue, 16 November 2010, 19:04:41
The red on black might look nice with the red PCB of the RK-9000.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: 2084 on Tue, 16 November 2010, 19:12:22
Nice, I like the first and last best. Especially the first blueish grey one. Wine-red would look nice as a highlight key, but that might be hard to get right and could be a risk if not done well by signature plastics
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Sov on Tue, 16 November 2010, 19:18:25
The second example with the dark blue keys dizzyone posted looks good as well - not really a huge fan of the blank keys, but the color combo looks great.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: dizzyone on Wed, 17 November 2010, 05:33:00
Quote from: Sov;247802
The second example with the dark blue keys dizzyone posted looks good as well - not really a huge fan of the blank keys, but the color combo looks great.


I didn't save the colors, but yeh, heres something similar with lettering:
(http://imgur.com/e35rw.png)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: zefrer on Wed, 17 November 2010, 06:24:35
Wow, I really like the blank sets dizzyone posted. Would be down for anyone of those except the green one.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: johnnysasaki on Wed, 17 November 2010, 07:07:45
Quote from: dizzyone;247968
I didn't save the colors, but yeh, heres something similar with lettering:
Show Image
(http://imgur.com/e35rw.png)


This looks really great (though I favour the blank version)! What software did you use to model this?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: dizzyone on Wed, 17 November 2010, 07:33:18
Autodesk Maya and MentalRay. You can have the file if you like.

Anyhow, I made a few more (extremely bored), I was trying to do an old skool nintendo theme, and just ended up doing a couple of quick renders:

(http://imgur.com/uqlGs.jpg)

Personally I'd really love to have a nintendo like theme, it just looks badass.


Edit: I forgot that I also did the blue keyboard with black lettering:
(http://imgur.com/D9pOH.png)


To be fair, I don't know which colors Signature Plastic have available, but I'm really just trying to go for a basic impression of different color combinations, and maybe even get more people excited? :D
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: db_Iodine on Wed, 17 November 2010, 07:54:20
Actually that dark blue keys with black lettering looks amazing. I'm not sure I like the different color WASD-keys but that color scheme is amazing.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 17 November 2010, 08:00:16
The Pink-Blue combination it's awesome :D
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: tjweir on Wed, 17 November 2010, 08:04:21
Quote from: dizzyone;247992
Autodesk Maya and MentalRay. You can have the file if you like.

Anyhow, I made a few more (extremely bored), I was trying to do an old skool nintendo theme, and just ended up doing a couple of quick renders:

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/uqlGs.jpg)


Personally I'd really love to have a nintendo like theme, it just looks badass.


Edit: I forgot that I also did the blue keyboard with black lettering:
Show Image
(http://imgur.com/D9pOH.png)



To be fair, I don't know which colors Signature Plastic have available, but I'm really just trying to go for a basic impression of different color combinations, and maybe even get more people excited? :D


Oh my, oh my.  The first and second Nintendo colourschemes are amazing.

I'd take either of them.  Great idea.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: zefrer on Wed, 17 November 2010, 08:07:21
Quote from: db_Iodine;247997
Actually that dark blue keys with black lettering looks amazing. I'm not sure I like the different color WASD-keys but that color scheme is amazing.


Seconded.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Wed, 17 November 2010, 09:16:01
Can you do some with black keys and colored lettering?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: 2084 on Wed, 17 November 2010, 09:35:31
Hell yea Nintendo theme! Finally someone with some design-sense :D
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Wed, 17 November 2010, 09:43:30
why not use the original font by SP?
here i got.
(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/fssbzz/Key%20cap%20Sample/1646942c.jpg)
(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/fssbzz/Key%20cap%20Sample/96253622.jpg)
(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9518/78993449.jpg)
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6950/10013027.jpg)
SP on left, DAS on right
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Wed, 17 November 2010, 09:51:16
I have confirmed with signature that there is only one choice of font (italic/futura is a no-go), but there are options for size and location. Since we did big, centered, retro style last time, I plan to go for a more modern placement this time - that is, smaller and in the upper left corner of the key. So the font size and placement would be similar to Filco, but it wouldn't be the fancy italic font.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Wed, 17 November 2010, 09:54:41
the one i show on pic is italic font?
i tot is more like San Serif font.
That's what i got from SP, that's their default font
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Wed, 17 November 2010, 10:05:37
No, you showed the signature font. A lot of the mock-ups people have posted are using the Filco font or something similar, which is not available.

Also, if people are concerned about the thickness of the plastic, the only alternative is to find a different manufacturer that can make thicker keycaps. I am open to suggestions if anybody knows of one.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: dizzyone on Wed, 17 November 2010, 10:30:14
Quote from: Fwiffo;248021
Can you do some with black keys and colored lettering?


Sure, it would be better if I redid the font to look more like the ones SP use, anyone have any idea what font looks similar? I tried identifying it based off of fssbzz's pictures, using WhatTheFont? and identifont, but no luck in finding anything close to it.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Wed, 17 November 2010, 10:34:09
A basic sans-serif font like Arial or Helvetica is going to be your best bet. Probably you won't be able to get an exact match.

I'll inquire more about the plastic thickness. It may be only possible with a different profile family or something like that.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: johnnysasaki on Wed, 17 November 2010, 10:43:41
Quote from: dizzyone;247992
Autodesk Maya and MentalRay. You can have the file if you like.

Anyhow, I made a few more (extremely bored), I was trying to do an old skool nintendo theme, and just ended up doing a couple of quick renders:

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/uqlGs.jpg)


Personally I'd really love to have a nintendo like theme, it just looks badass.


Edit: I forgot that I also did the blue keyboard with black lettering:
Show Image
(http://imgur.com/D9pOH.png)



To be fair, I don't know which colors Signature Plastic have available, but I'm really just trying to go for a basic impression of different color combinations, and maybe even get more people excited? :D


Count me in for something like the top left or bottom left Nintendo designs! They is stylin'. Not sure whether the Awesome face really works with the Nintendo theme but it'd be pretty hot either way.

The business style ones  are more drab but also really slick. Can't really go wrong with classy blue, black, and grey.

By the way, is this batch going to be made up of profiled keys or are they going to be all the same type? If they aren't profiled for each row, you can bring the costs down I imagine and people can customize the layouts even more upon delivery. I imagine many people want profiled ones though... Just a thought.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Wed, 17 November 2010, 10:59:03
erm.. The thickness of the key cap will affect your typing speed?
i don't know why people whine about the thickness of SP key caps.
what so big deal about it?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Wed, 17 November 2010, 11:15:35
Quote from: fssbzz;248061
erm.. The thickness of the key cap will affect your typing speed?
i don't know why people whine about the thickness of SP key caps.
what so big deal about it?


Durability, I believe

Still, I broke one Filco keycap and it was absolutely negligence on my part.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Sam on Wed, 17 November 2010, 11:35:16
Quote from: ripster;248072
Although the texture of brand new keys is nice, my NIB Cherry Doubleshots got shiny in a year - ABS plastic is not all that tough.


Your keys got shiny just sitting in a box?  I always thought they only got shiny from actual use.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 17 November 2010, 11:49:56
Keyboard gnomes.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: manfaux on Wed, 17 November 2010, 12:04:59
Quote from: Fwiffo;248031
I have confirmed with signature that there is only one choice of font (italic/futura is a no-go), but there are options for size and location. Since we did big, centered, retro style last time, I plan to go for a more modern placement this time - that is, smaller and in the upper left corner of the key. So the font size and placement would be similar to Filco, but it wouldn't be the fancy italic font.


yes please, that would be great
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: manfaux on Wed, 17 November 2010, 12:06:14
(http://imgur.com/D9pOH.png)

the grey keys look good to me, i'd buy 2 sets of these
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Wed, 17 November 2010, 13:48:34
OK, I've confirmed what I thought re: thickness:
Quote from: Melissa at Signature
There is no way besides building new tooling to increase the thickness of the keycaps. Other families of our keycaps, specifically the SA, have
thicker side wall.

So we could go with a different family, but it would be less of a match with what people are familiar with. You can look at the keycap families (http://keycapsdirect.com/key-caps.php) to get an idea of what we're talking about here. The closest match for something like a Filco is the DCS family, which has a cylindrical top. It is a bit lower-profile than stock Filco keycaps. The SA family has thicker side-walls, but has a spherical top and a higher profile, which is a more retro look and might not be as nice a match. Both are available with Cherry MX keystems, in a variety of shapes and sizes.

Ripster - you've got some of those novelty keycaps, can you post some comparison pictures?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Wed, 17 November 2010, 13:55:58
i think SP are the best choice for 2 shot key cap.
the other one will be fentek.
heard they are kinda pricy.
or might to Mass Order with Cherry order just those key cap?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 17 November 2010, 13:59:13
Quote from: woody;247774
Some random symbols I snatched off the net:
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13527&stc=1&d=1289953556)


And the following have such a style:
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13528&stc=1&d=1289953556)


Imagine Otaku with all keycaps with the same symbol. Anyway, just some ideas.

I'd only use a keyboard with those symbols that if I were typing in Wingdings.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: laden3 on Wed, 17 November 2010, 14:21:41
Quote from: fssbzz;248148
i think SP are the best choice for 2 shot key cap.
the other one will be fentek.
heard they are kinda pricy.
or might to Mass Order with Cherry order just those key cap?


there is a fentek guy in this forum
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: sixty on Wed, 17 November 2010, 14:40:27
Quote from: laden3;248161
there is a fentek guy in this forum


Fentek outsources their double shot keys to Signature Plastics. Unless they use the exact same molds and the exact same machines, there is no doubt about this. You would get identical keys with a slower work around time.

Cherry double shot keys are dead and no longer in production (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=10256).
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: woody on Wed, 17 November 2010, 14:46:35
Quote from: microsoft windows;248149
I'd only use a keyboard with those symbols that if I were typing in Wingdings.

I think I threw a Zapfding for a good measure. Zapf owns.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Parak on Wed, 17 November 2010, 14:50:12
I'd totally go for the SA caps. Something completely different, for once :D
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: 2084 on Wed, 17 November 2010, 15:16:43
All three top row nintendo colorschemes are superb. Windows key could be a desaturated 1-up shroom or something
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: dizzyone on Wed, 17 November 2010, 16:10:55
Colored lettering as requested:
(http://imgur.com/ysSod.png)
(http://imgur.com/PNHkr.png)
(http://imgur.com/pIonK.png)
(http://imgur.com/l60xa.png)
(http://imgur.com/RnB3r.png)
(http://imgur.com/FBmSG.png)
(http://imgur.com/xIWYI.png)
(http://imgur.com/KIHrU.png)
(http://imgur.com/jCgIM.png)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Wed, 17 November 2010, 16:14:06
hey dizzyone, Nice modeling there!!!!!
can you help me to do my theme
(http://imgur.com/ysSod.png)
(http://imgur.com/jCgIM.png)
for this two model, can you try to change the Esc to red Esc, and W,A,S,D to White color cap with Red Font on it?
i want to see how it looks.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: strikeme on Wed, 17 November 2010, 16:15:45
Thanks dizzyone.

I really like the one with the teal lettering. Pops well and looks nice.
The red looks nice too . . .
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 17 November 2010, 16:17:28
Dizzyone, would it be a pain to change the font to Arial? That is the stock signature font I believe.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Wed, 17 November 2010, 16:18:48
that looks like DAS font, not signature stock font.
but still Dizzyone, very nice job man =D
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Wed, 17 November 2010, 16:21:22
I like dark blue.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: ricercar on Wed, 17 November 2010, 16:28:58
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13528&stc=1&d=1289953556)

These informal symbols would go well with the DECK informal typeface.

(https://www.deckkeyboards.com/images/deck105_white_mirror_badge.jpg)
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Post by: zefrer on Wed, 17 November 2010, 17:10:30
Purple and black look nice.
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Post by: bakageta on Wed, 17 November 2010, 17:24:48
Oh wow, I love that.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Sov on Wed, 17 November 2010, 17:41:39
Heh, after seeing all the 3d models and color schemes, I think I'd be up for buying a set of just about any proposed color - most of them look really good.


And uh.. not to hijack, but Baka, you're in NW MO?  I actually grew up in Trenton MO, if you have any idea where that is.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: bakageta on Wed, 17 November 2010, 18:03:06
Yep, I know exactly where that's at! I grew up in Savannah, currently living out in the middle of nowhere now.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Tavisto on Wed, 17 November 2010, 23:36:38
I really like the bright green on the black. I would definitely buy a set or two of those.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Earth Worm Jim on Thu, 18 November 2010, 02:34:09
Question? Do they do key-caps for BosCom? I'll get some photos later to give an idea of what they look like.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Azuremen on Thu, 18 November 2010, 02:48:06
Quote from: dizzyone;248221
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/D9pOH.png)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/KIHrU.png)


Really have to say I am digging either of these quite a bit. Perhaps do the black but have very dark grays for some of the function keys (like for the blue keys exampled above) while keeping the Green font?

Regardless, I am much more excited about this whole thing now.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: laden3 on Thu, 18 November 2010, 03:19:41
is it possible to make glow in dark keycaps with black legends?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: dizzyone on Thu, 18 November 2010, 04:00:09
Quote from: fssbzz;248224

for this two model, can you try to change the Esc to red Esc, and W,A,S,D to White color cap with Red Font on it?
i want to see how it looks.

(http://imgur.com/dafbu.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/edvfS.jpg)

Quote from: Azuremen;248511
Really have to say I am digging either of these quite a bit. Perhaps do the black but have very dark grays for some of the function keys (like for the blue keys exampled above) while keeping the Green font?



(http://imgur.com/w3OjF.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 18 November 2010, 04:13:35
As a Star Wars fan, I would approve of this font ;-)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13556&stc=1&d=1290075143)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 18 November 2010, 04:31:58
Quote from: dizzyone;248518
http://imgur.com/dafbu.jpg
http://imgur.com/edvfS.jpg




oh man, VERY NICE. thank you so much DIZZY1.
!!!
very well done.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 18 November 2010, 04:36:39
i like this so much (http://imgur.com/dafbu.jpg)
thanks to dizzyone...!
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Post by: dizzyone on Thu, 18 November 2010, 05:13:28
You're welcome :D
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Azuremen on Thu, 18 November 2010, 05:23:55
I must say that one fssbzz quoted looks fantastic as well, and thanks for rendering these. Quite nice to get such a good idea of how certain combos would look.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Thu, 18 November 2010, 05:44:24
Quote from: bakageta;246916
No reason this set would have to be... :P Some quick and dirty photoshops:

Show Image
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5195/doubleshotblue.png)


Show Image
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6434/doubleshotgreen.png)


Show Image
(http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4201/doubleshotpink.png)

Love all of those. Personally out of the three I would prefer the blue font because blue goes with most peripherals (unfortunately, as I think red, yellow and green look way cooler combined with black ;) ).
Anyway it looks slick. In general the HHKB/Topre keys are a good base. They look awesome in general, even with the simple black on dark grey.

Since I need a German layout though, I think I would prefer blank blacks (unless I could get a full set like the ones bakageta photoshopped) to replace the stocks and a hand full of say orange blanks to put in the ESDF cluster.

I also give my vote for awesome face over trollface. Both are cool but I do prefer positive stuff that makes me happy when I see it ;)


One more thing I would like to suggest: Deck Font keys or something similarly awesome.
(http://www.maximumcpu.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/keys.JPG)

just luuuuuv it :D

/Edit

The orange on black from dizzyone is also awesome. Would fit the geekhack theme as well, that's gotta be worth something.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: tjweir on Thu, 18 November 2010, 07:40:44
Quote from: fssbzz;248524
i like this so much
Show Image
(http://imgur.com/dafbu.jpg)

thanks to dizzyone...!


Looks great!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: 2084 on Thu, 18 November 2010, 08:19:15
I always thought Deck had the worst looking keycaps in history, but thats probably just me. For me it looks like they went to some free font shop and took the first they saw.
They may be 'industrial quality' keys but they look cheaper than any G15 board or worse
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 18 November 2010, 08:20:06
yea..i cant stand the Deck Font too. looks like a 5 yo kid keyboard.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: db_Iodine on Thu, 18 November 2010, 08:29:55
Quote from: 2084;248560
I always thought Deck had the worst looking keycaps in history, but thats probably just me. For me it looks like they went to some free font shop and took the first they saw.
They may be 'industrial quality' keys but they look cheaper than any G15 board or worse


No, it's not just you. I too think it's the worst looking font on any keyboard I've seen.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: tjweir on Thu, 18 November 2010, 08:30:40
Quote from: fssbzz;248561
yea..i cant stand the Deck Font too. looks like a 5 yo kid keyboard.


Yes, 100% no to the Deck font.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Thu, 18 November 2010, 08:36:53
Quote from: fssbzz;248524
i like this so much
Show Image
(http://imgur.com/dafbu.jpg)

thanks to dizzyone...!


I agree, this looks fantastic. Definitely wins over the blue letters/black keys for me.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Thu, 18 November 2010, 08:37:56
Well, create it nao!!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 18 November 2010, 08:38:30
that's been the theme that stuck in my mind for long time ago.
but i always prefer this troll face between the ctrl and the alt.
(http://files.sharenator.com/FUUUU_RE_FFFFFUUUU_Pizza-s508x387-44250-580.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: didjamatic on Thu, 18 November 2010, 08:55:26
DECK.   The official keyset of the Lord Of The Rings.

(http://www.maximumcpu.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/keys.JPG)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Thu, 18 November 2010, 09:00:07
Quote from: didjamatic;248570
DECK.   The official keyset of the Lord Of The Rings.


Which makes it plain awesome-o :D

Also looks better in reality ;)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Thu, 18 November 2010, 09:39:57
(http://imgur.com/dafbu.jpg)


What colour are the legends on the dark keys please? With my colour blind eyes they could be anything from blue grey to dark green/brown? Thanks.

Edit. Home now and I can blow the picture up - Grey

Edit. I like both of these anyway

(http://imgur.com/D9pOH.png)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: manfaux on Thu, 18 November 2010, 13:10:56
Quote from: fssbzz;248524
i like this so much
Show Image
(http://imgur.com/dafbu.jpg)

thanks to dizzyone...!


+1, this looks amazing, I need to get it NNNNNOW
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: keyboardlover on Thu, 18 November 2010, 13:13:22
Quote from: Twitchy

Edit. I like both of these anyway

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/D9pOH.png)


If this is the set I would buy it. This is beautiful.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: RoboKrikit on Thu, 18 November 2010, 14:16:37
I like both of the above grey on black and multi-toned blue combinations.  Some of the other setups look great too, like the brighter colors on black keys, but I have a feeling these will look a lot different IRL than in the photos.  Also these are more neutral and will probably get more orders.  I would try to keep in mind that the key caps from Signature look a lot different than the Filco keys in the photos, though.

Could you do a mockup of the grey on black one with the white/red on the arrow keys instead of WASD?  On my Dolche set I tried the orange WASD keys in place of the arrow keys and thought the color combo (with orange Esc) looked pretty cool.

Are those blue tones actually available from Signature Plastics?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: db_Iodine on Thu, 18 November 2010, 14:18:45
Quote from: keyboardlover;248700
If this is the set I would buy it. This is beautiful.


Indeed. This one is my favorite too out of all the 3d models in this thread.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: zefrer on Thu, 18 November 2010, 14:19:24
Would like it even more if it were blank!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 18 November 2010, 14:45:06
black :)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Thu, 18 November 2010, 15:16:32
Quote from: Fwiffo;248146
So we could go with a different family, but it would be less of a match with what people are familiar with. You can look at the keycap families (http://keycapsdirect.com/key-caps.php) to get an idea of what we're talking about here. The closest match for something like a Filco is the DCS family, which has a cylindrical top. It is a bit lower-profile than stock Filco keycaps. The SA family has thicker side-walls, but has a spherical top and a higher profile, which is a more retro look and might not be as nice a match. Both are available with Cherry MX keystems, in a variety of shapes and sizes.


I'm guessing that the caps in the first round...
Quote from: WhiteRice;245737
Show Image
(http://zachwang.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/CIMG0999.jpg)

...that the photoshopped images in this thread are based on are the DCS caps too? They look to be the most modern squarish caps that SP do though I'm having a little difficulty imagining what their cap types look like from their pdf's.

On a side note there's been a lot of mention of blank black keycaps. They're available in the UK for ISO keyboards, are they not available for ANSI keyboards ATM? If not is there really any value in getting a custom set made when it's surely only a matter of time before EK or someone gets more?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Thu, 18 November 2010, 15:27:47
Black blanks probably wouldn't make that much sense. But in one of the other color schemes they would probably be pretty cool.

(http://imgur.com/D9pOH.png)

This one seems popular, and would look completely hot as blanks. I'm not going to get attached to any particular color scheme until I get the color sample ring, however.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: sixty on Thu, 18 November 2010, 15:30:42
Quote from: Fwiffo;248809
Black blanks probably wouldn't make that much sense. But in one of the other color schemes they would probably be pretty cool.

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/D9pOH.png)


This one seems popular, and would look completely hot as blanks. I'm not going to get attached to any particular color scheme until I get the color sample ring, however.


It should be possible. I have their color ring around here still somewhere, and colors get pretty close. Looks like this btw:

(http://imgur.com/duYa9.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/YeZxE.jpg)

pics by enje.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Thu, 18 November 2010, 15:32:55
Quote from: Fwiffo;248809
Black blanks probably wouldn't make that much sense. But in one of the other color schemes they would probably be pretty cool.

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/D9pOH.png)


This one seems popular, and would look completely hot as blanks. I'm not going to get attached to any particular color scheme until I get the color sample ring, however.

That set would look good with legends and without.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 18 November 2010, 15:32:59
i got the sample ring, pretty sure that this theme will work.
(http://imgur.com/dafbu.jpg) :D
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Thu, 18 November 2010, 15:58:08
Quote from: sixty;248811
It should be possible. I have their color ring around here still somewhere, and colors get pretty close. Looks like this btw:

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/duYa9.jpg)

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/YeZxE.jpg)


pics by enje.


I see some nice oranges on that ring :D

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/OrangeOtaku.png)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: CodeChef on Thu, 18 November 2010, 16:23:01
Quote from: fssbzz;248813
i got the sample ring, pretty sure that this theme will work.
Show Image
(http://imgur.com/dafbu.jpg)
:D

Yeah, another vote for that. That's freakin' classy is what it is. Some showing off, but not too much, and the stealth keys are just sweet. What's the key to the right of the right Awesomeface for?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: RoboKrikit on Thu, 18 November 2010, 16:34:47
Quote from: CodeChef;248840
What's the key to the right of the right Awesomeface for?


Menu key.  It is less awesome.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: zefrer on Thu, 18 November 2010, 17:07:15
Quote from: Fwiffo;248809
Black blanks probably wouldn't make that much sense. But in one of the other color schemes they would probably be pretty cool.

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/D9pOH.png)


This one seems popular, and would look completely hot as blanks. I'm not going to get attached to any particular color scheme until I get the color sample ring, however.


I would be all over that.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: J888www on Thu, 18 November 2010, 17:59:06
Quote from: RoboKrikit;248842
Menu key.  It is less awesome.
Looks more like a Unix command key to remove files which would make the whole kbd awesome, but I may be totally wrong.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: RoboKrikit on Thu, 18 November 2010, 18:16:02
Quote from: J888www;248867
Looks more like a Unix command key to remove files which would make the whole kbd awesome, but I may be totally wrong.


Oh, ha.  I didn't look at the full size image.  It does look like rm -rf.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: x2p on Thu, 18 November 2010, 19:42:56
Personally I like the dark blue and the black on black
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: touristtam on Thu, 18 November 2010, 19:48:07
Hi,

I like the dual dark grey/light(er) grey colour scheme best, but I would really rather see the characters on the key; so, big, Arial and white font. Although I like the suggestion to make the alternative character (top row) in orange to follow the colour scheme of the forum.

Tam
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: RoboKrikit on Thu, 18 November 2010, 20:18:47
Quote from: x2p;248920
Personally I like the dark blue and the black on black


Black on black double shot = all black.

Quote from: touristtam;248923
I like the dual dark grey/light(er) grey colour scheme best, but I would really rather see the characters on the key; so, big, Arial and white font. Although I like the suggestion to make the alternative character (top row) in orange to follow the colour scheme of the forum.


That would look cool, but double shot keys are two colors only.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Azuremen on Thu, 18 November 2010, 21:30:05
I'm up for the Awesome.gif

Would match some of my cars even


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3596/3295735619_eb9078d23e_z.jpg?zz=1)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Fri, 19 November 2010, 03:38:10
Quote from: fssbzz;248813

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/dafbu.jpg)
:D


Let's vote and get this theme ordered.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: x2p on Fri, 19 November 2010, 07:05:44
Just wondering how hard it would be to get language variants?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Fri, 19 November 2010, 07:15:50
Quote from: x2p;249087
Just wondering how hard it would be to get language variants?


This post (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=245628&postcount=39)  may help (quoting loses the quotes)

Edit: I think individual keys did turn out cheaper though, and I don't know what keys SP have already tooled.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: x2p on Fri, 19 November 2010, 07:20:41
Quote from: Twitchy;249091
This post (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=245628&postcount=39)  may help (quoting loses the quotes)

Edit: I think individual keys did turn out cheaper though, and I don't know what keys SP have already tooled.



Thanks for the clarification.  I guess Im out then :( just cant live without the japanese board for now.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Fri, 19 November 2010, 08:46:37
Quote from: Kairxa;249058
Let's vote and get this theme ordered.

As I said in the first post, I don't plan on doing this until the new year. I just am too busy and suicidal around the holidays.

Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Fri, 19 November 2010, 09:24:15
Quote from: Fwiffo;249127
As I said in the first post, I don't plan on doing this until the new year. I just am too busy and suicidal around the holidays.


I.. actually missed that out. Lol, sorry =))

But I do want that theme o.o
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Fri, 19 November 2010, 09:59:24
Quote from: Fwiffo;249127
As I said in the first post, I don't plan on doing this until the new year. I just am too busy and suicidal around the holidays.


still might be a good call to make a break and sum up the favorites so far
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 19 November 2010, 10:19:17
Quote from: fssbzz;248813
i got the sample ring, pretty sure that this theme will work.
Show Image
(http://imgur.com/dafbu.jpg)
:D
Except for the coloured Esc and WASD, isn't that one mostly just stock Filco key caps dipped in a grey dye bath?
I don't see any reason to buy a full set if you can do it yourself for $5 of materials (plus keys).
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Fri, 19 November 2010, 11:09:30
Quote from: Findecanor;249160
Except for the coloured Esc and WASD, isn't that one mostly just stock Filco key caps dipped in a grey dye bath?

Filcos aren't doubleshot ;)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: cbf123 on Fri, 19 November 2010, 12:33:02
I'm liking the look of the basic colours of these:

(http://imgur.com/dafbu.jpg)

(http://imgur.com/D9pOH.png)

However, I'm currently not much of a gamer so I'd prefer the wasd keys in the same colours as the rest with maybe an alternate set as an option for gamers.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Fri, 19 November 2010, 12:43:18
Specially colored Esc or WASD keys would be optional and regular colored keys would be included for those who don't want to use them (though for cost reasons the special keys would probably be included in all sets.)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Fri, 19 November 2010, 12:56:42
I would need mine in ESDF for the special keys! thats just how i roll!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: WhiteRice on Fri, 19 November 2010, 14:08:40
Quote from: Azuremen;248976
I'm up for the Awesome.gif

Would match some of my cars even


Show Image
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3596/3295735619_eb9078d23e_z.jpg?zz=1)
Are you from OT?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: touristtam on Fri, 19 November 2010, 16:38:07
+1 on the awsome pic

+1 for non coloured specific to WASD keys

Shame that the two colour scheme on the top row is not feasible. :/

Tam
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Azuremen on Fri, 19 November 2010, 16:49:10
Quote from: WhiteRice;249273
Are you from OT?


On and off. I know some OT'ers though. We have some M3s rolling with these awesome.gif stickers. And relatively high quality ones at that, staying good through the rain and such.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: keyboardlover on Fri, 19 November 2010, 17:02:10
Quote from: panda-R
I would need mine in ESDF for the special keys! thats just how i roll!


+1 for this. ESDF > WASD. Just sayin.

...comrade.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Rhyick on Fri, 19 November 2010, 17:08:23
Quote from: fssbzz;248524
i like this so much
Show Image
(http://imgur.com/dafbu.jpg)

thanks to dizzyone...!


This one is awesome!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Fri, 19 November 2010, 17:16:22
my suggested theme and idea is just awesome.:first:
still thanks to dizzyone for the 3dmodelling and rendering.~!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: jaynoon on Fri, 19 November 2010, 17:31:32
Quote from: Rhyick;249470
This one is awesome!


I don't entirely understand, isn't that basically just a WASD booster set?

I guess you get all the black keys in doubleshot... Am I missing something else?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Rhyick on Fri, 19 November 2010, 18:05:47
Quote from: jaynoon;249477
I don't entirely understand, isn't that basically just a WASD booster set?

I guess you get all the black keys in doubleshot... Am I missing something else?


Personally, I really like it due to how the three color schemes come together, and the grey font on black looks great.

I see where you're coming from, though.  Maybe it'd be useful to see the same but with the normal white lettering on the black keys (to see how just the WASD/Esc key would look on a stock board)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: jaynoon on Fri, 19 November 2010, 18:23:35
Oh I was missing something--that these are grey-on-black rather than white-on-black. I would like to see a comparison too.

I definitely like the trend towards subtle with all of the designs that are floating to the top.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Fri, 19 November 2010, 18:26:22
if im not mistaken, the ARIAL font top left legend quote price are more expensive then the last ordered 2 shot molded, the one with the big ass font in the middle legend.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: lam47 on Fri, 19 November 2010, 18:27:49
So sorry to hijack here. Is it possible to get key sets made up for Topre boards?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Fri, 19 November 2010, 18:29:35
It's been discussed and NO, unless there are some crazy *****es that willing up to pay for the tooling cost.

Sixty said it's about 80k.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: lam47 on Fri, 19 November 2010, 18:42:04
I can't quite stretch to that this month.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Fri, 19 November 2010, 19:24:53
Seriously? $80,000 and you willing up to pay - even if it's not this month? That's amazing.

Or maybe your "this month" goes forever :D
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Fri, 19 November 2010, 20:06:47
so, have we decided what we're all buying yet?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Savant on Fri, 19 November 2010, 23:55:42
Quote from: fssbzz;248524
i like this so much
Show Image
(http://imgur.com/dafbu.jpg)

thanks to dizzyone...!


winrar!

Quote from: WhiteRice;249273
Are you from OT?

also OT crew :hsugh:
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: jaynoon on Sat, 20 November 2010, 00:12:19
Quote from: fssbzz;249500
if im not mistaken, the ARIAL font top left legend quote price are more expensive then the last ordered 2 shot molded, the one with the big ass font in the middle legend.


I definitely think that the large font only works for a more retro look like the first order.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Parak on Sat, 20 November 2010, 00:38:07
This thread needs more discussion about the possibility of using the SA family. Retro forever!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Megaweapon on Sat, 20 November 2010, 02:16:02
Quote from: keyboardlover;249469
+1 for this. ESDF > WASD. Just sayin.

...comrade.


Make that three for ESDF.

Join the movement! (http://use-esdf.org/)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: squarebox on Sat, 20 November 2010, 03:24:59
Quote from: fssbzz;248813
i got the sample ring, pretty sure that this theme will work.
Show Image
(http://imgur.com/dafbu.jpg)
:D


I wonder will in ESC look nice if the colours are inversed...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: lam47 on Sat, 20 November 2010, 03:39:27
Quote from: Kairxa;249512
Seriously? $80,000 and you willing up to pay - even if it's not this month? That's amazing.

Or maybe your "this month" goes forever :D


I'm only joking :)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: laden3 on Sat, 20 November 2010, 03:41:27
Why there isn't anyone suggesting white keys with dark colored legends? I can imagine that the glow-in-dark keycaps look very cool with black fonts
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: jaynoon on Sat, 20 November 2010, 03:54:24
I tend to avoid the white keys just cause they get a little dingy. They look great new though..
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Sat, 20 November 2010, 07:40:58
Quote from: fssbzz;248813
i got the sample ring, pretty sure that this theme will work.
Show Image
(http://imgur.com/dafbu.jpg)
:D

If we're going with this color scheme, you can definitely count me in!  I also love the fact I'll be able to get rid of the Windows key.

My wish would be to also include matching WASD. :)

Edit:
Or even have the lettering a little bit darker so it can only be seen if you're looking for it.

(http://www.elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/pdkb400ktb_xl_th620x400.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: 2084 on Sat, 20 November 2010, 07:47:03
Looks 99% stock Filco except wasd, and I already have red wasd keys, so I'm out
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: bakageta on Sat, 20 November 2010, 11:19:18
Quote from: 2084;249637
Looks 99% stock Filco except wasd, and I already have red wasd keys, so I'm out


Yeah, I have to agree, it's a little too similar to the standard look for me to be interested. I don't care for mismatched WASD, so all it amounts to for me is a red escape key and an awesome windows key, with a bit darker lettering.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: jaynoon on Sat, 20 November 2010, 11:36:14
Quote from: 2084;249637
Looks 99% stock Filco except wasd, and I already have red wasd keys, so I'm out


I don't think that scheme has been decided on at all...

Quote from: dizzyone;247992

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/D9pOH.png)




I still vote for the blue scheme above, although I agree with some of the other posters that different colored WASD should be optional, or an included booster pack.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: johnnysasaki on Sat, 20 November 2010, 11:58:34
Quote from: jaynoon;249715
I don't think that scheme has been decided on at all...



I still vote for the blue scheme above, although I agree with some of the other posters that different colored WASD should be optional, or an included booster pack.


Love the blue one. Another suggestion is to make a normal set, and a blank set (shouldn't need any retooling, just use the same color twice for the double shot) so that non QWERTY people like me can get involved and hopefully drive the costs down further... That's how it'd be in theory anyway. Don't know whether it can be cheaper just lumping in an order of normal blank keys rather than the single colour double shot idea...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kaishi on Sat, 20 November 2010, 12:36:27
Blue sounds good to me, and I agree on the WASD being in addition to the stock color.  Some people don't care about WASD, even though I do.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Sat, 20 November 2010, 12:53:48
OK, here are some things that are decided:

There will be a full set of basic-colored keys in a standard layout, so special Esc or WASD keys will be optional. Specially colored WASD keys will be included, as will some sort of special Esc key (either special color or special art) will be included. There will be an extra control key for the caps-lock position.

The font will be the standard signature Arial style font because that's all that's available. The position will be modern and not retro unless it's prohibitively expensive.

Things that are not decided:

Color scheme is not settled. Later on I'll pick some of the popular options and have a vote. I consider myself to have veto power considering I'm doing the organizing and taking some monetary risk. The current most popular options mostly agree with my own opinion though.

I'm still leaning strongly toward DCS family keycaps because of the modern look, but SA hasn't been ruled out.

Additional extra keys (e.g. stepped caps-lock, J shaped enter, special GH or HJKL keys, international keys, etc.) are not decided.

If enough people would like blanks, maybe we'll do that. That will improve compatibility with international keyboards and alternate layouts. With a couple extra home row keys, people could use the alternate colored keys for GH or HJKL. It would probably make the set cheaper too, and give us the option for PBT or ABS.

It's not yet decided if we'll do a trollface key or awesomeface key. It might come up to a vote. Not sure if we're doing it for the Esc key or the OS keys. I'll have to do some adjustment to the art on both to make them double-shot compatible, and I'll have some sort of preview for that available at some point in the future.

Some restrictions:

We will need a minimum of 50 participants. Otherwise it's not really affordable.

We don't have a choice of font, but we do have a choice of placement.

The keycaps must be ABS for the double-shot process. Blanks can be PBT or ABS. Glow-in-the-dark can't be used with the double-shot process. Double-shots can only have one color in the legend. Multi-colored legends require pad-printing or dye sub.

We're restricted in color choice by what Signature has in stock. They have a lot of colors, so it's probably not a problem, but we may be limited in certain parts of the spectrum or some more subtle shades.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: sadbox on Sat, 20 November 2010, 13:00:40
I put my vote towards some sort of blanks, but hopefully something that's a little more than just one color. It might go over pretty well especially since EKB hasn't had blanks for a while now.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Sat, 20 November 2010, 13:03:32
IMO, one colored blanks would be pointless, so they will be at least two colors.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Sat, 20 November 2010, 13:37:59
Quote from: Fwiffo;249747
It's not yet decided if we'll do a trollface key or awesomeface key. It might come up to a vote. Not sure if we're doing it for the Esc key or the OS keys. I'll have to do some adjustment to the art on both to make them double-shot compatible, and I'll have some sort of preview for that available at some point in the future.
I have no better way to put this than I think that there should be a geekhack ESC key in every set ever, to tie them all together, the geekhack signature key.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: jaynoon on Sat, 20 November 2010, 14:52:51
Quote from: Fwiffo;249747
Double-shots can only have one color in the legend. Multi-colored legends require pad-printing or dye sub.


Fwiffo,

Just to clarify, is it more costly to have multiple legend colors, as long as there is only one legend color per key?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Sat, 20 November 2010, 15:25:26
Yes, it is more expensive because they have to purge their machines for each color change.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: jaynoon on Sat, 20 November 2010, 15:31:52
Quote from: ripster;249818
I saw a triple shot key once.  It was weird.

Wow that Enter key is awesome.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Sat, 20 November 2010, 15:55:07
I just got the color samples... It doesn't look like there are any purple/violet shades at all. There is one lilac color, which is about as close as it gets. For the pink lovers, there is one kinda sorta OK pink color (a little dingy), and a salmon color, but no really vivid shades. There are 8 mostly good looking shades of red, including one pretty nice brick color and some vivid reds. There are 6 oranges, all of which look pretty good, but none are super-vivid like that mock-up. There are 12 yellows, but most of them look like puke, about 4 look good.

There are 22 blues, most of which are pretty good, but none are very close to the blue-gray shades in the pretty mock-up that everyone likes. :( There are 14 greens.

There are several good whites, blacks, a couple browns and tans and hundreds of grays and beiges that could match any plastic computing device ever made with any level of nicotine exposure. Also, clear, colorless/translucent and glow-in-the-dark.

I will post a picture if I can get one that gets the colors well (I will have to borrow a camera).
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: bakageta on Sat, 20 November 2010, 16:46:21
I KNOW I saw a post with a pic of the color samples here somewhere, but I just can't find it now... :/
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: jaynoon on Sat, 20 November 2010, 16:57:47
Here's my effort at a color scheme, I'm no 3D modeler :)

Colors probably aren't doable anyway, but I love the turquoise + fluorescent combo.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13588&stc=1&d=1290293799)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sat, 20 November 2010, 17:12:56
I think black, grey, white are good colors (the dolche scheme was pretty good). Any other and it gets really funky :X

i dont think people like that, just my opinion :x
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: jaynoon on Sat, 20 November 2010, 18:05:55
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;249866
I think black, grey, white are good colors (the dolche scheme was pretty good).


Only problem with that is everybody already has the Dolch scheme.

I thought the NES scheme that dizzyone posted was awesome (basically grey & darker grey) but it didn't seem to get much response. I would totally vote for it though. Only thing I would do different is move the red up to the ESC and leave the WASDs alone :)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13592&stc=1&d=1290297895)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sat, 20 November 2010, 18:16:01
That red looks too neon for my tastes :x

But you may be right that people don't like getting the popular color scheme :X but then again i don't rely mind that as long as its good.

My Speakers, casing, monitor and keyboard casing is black. I like to keep it a standard theme :D
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Nadger on Sat, 20 November 2010, 21:30:11
Id say geekhack forums theme color!
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13596&stc=1&d=1290310161)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sat, 20 November 2010, 21:50:01
Reminds me too much of Halloween.

Funny that the forum theme (same colors) doesn't do that...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: CodeChef on Sat, 20 November 2010, 21:57:52
Quote from: Nadger;249996
Id say geekhack forums theme color!
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13596&stc=1&d=1290310161)


Did you make that? Can you make all the orange the same red as the esc? i think that would look better (maybe) and less halloweenish (definitely)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 21 November 2010, 01:19:54
Quote from: keyboardlover;249469
+1 for this. ESDF > WASD. Just sayin.

...comrade.


COMRADO, We're like twins!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Nadger on Sun, 21 November 2010, 02:04:00
Quote from: CodeChef;250013
Did you make that? Can you make all the orange the same red as the esc? i think that would look better (maybe) and less halloweenish (definitely)


I just tweaked it in photoshop dizzyone made the render.

He rendered one close to what you were asking here:

(http://imgur.com/edvfS.jpg)

I tweaked around in photoshop a bit more and made these ones:

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13599&stc=1&d=1290326603)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13598&stc=1&d=1290326252)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sun, 21 November 2010, 05:50:20
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13598&stc=1&d=1290326252)

This one looks acceptable. Exception being the ugly red escape key and those custom smiley faces yuck :x
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Sun, 21 November 2010, 07:20:18
Awesome face in red looks "awesome". Or it's just me and my astigmatism (damn, it took me some time to find this word in English).
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Sun, 21 November 2010, 17:04:54
I vote for a sets of blanks in different colors (orange ftw)

Also I vote awesome face

Also I vote ESDF > WASD
Title: my choice
Post by: qbert on Sun, 21 November 2010, 18:02:12
I vote for a set of full coloured keycaps : yellow or sky blue letters area.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: zefrer on Sun, 21 November 2010, 18:34:20
Quote from: Kairxa;250086
Awesome face in red looks "awesome". Or it's just me and my astigmatism (damn, it took me some time to find this word in English).


That word is not even english :heh: Would like to see a red awesome face.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Sun, 21 November 2010, 22:15:03
PedoBear key > Awesome Face key
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: msiegel on Sun, 21 November 2010, 22:19:00
4chan user, we welcome you
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Sun, 21 November 2010, 23:00:39
Here's something I came up with after looking at the plastic samples. The legends are blue, WASD is cobalt blue with light blue legends.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13627&d=1290401912)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: bakageta on Sun, 21 November 2010, 23:59:41
Quote from: Fwiffo;250406
Here's something I came up with after looking at the plastic samples. The legends are blue, WASD is cobalt blue with light blue legends.

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13627&d=1290401912)


I like the look of that, but the yellow Awesome just doesn't match well enough for me. Any chance of getting another set of meta keys as well, either diamonds or windows keys?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Mon, 22 November 2010, 05:31:02
Quote from: msiegel;250396
4chan user, we welcome you


:love:
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 22 November 2010, 05:33:34
Hm i got my doubleshot set. I seriously doubt anything can top it :X even with the small arial font.

The dolche color scheme is so damn good :D


By the way may i ask how do you come by the SP color sample thingys :X ? r those things free or what.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Mon, 22 November 2010, 06:11:10
Quote from: bakageta;250418
I like the look of that, but the yellow Awesome just doesn't match well enough for me.


It seems that if we're to get a set with awesome face (if awesome face has to be yellow), then awesome face should be used in a keyset theme that has yellow as an integral part.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Mon, 22 November 2010, 06:16:58
Quote from: Twitchy;250495
It seems that if we're to get a set with awesome face (if awesome face has to be yellow), then awesome face should be used in a keyset theme that has yellow as an integral part.


Agree. Not to forget its eyes and mouth.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 22 November 2010, 07:37:24
Quote from: bakageta;250418
I like the look of that, but the yellow Awesome just doesn't match well enough for me. Any chance of getting another set of meta keys as well, either diamonds or windows keys?

I agree. They need to match the other keys, but I just wanted to see how it looks. Regardless, the base set will include standard windows keys in addition to awesome face keys (the awesome key might even be an esc replacement rather than OS key).

Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;250484
By the way may i ask how do you come by the SP color sample thingys :X ? r those things free or what.

You can order them from signature. There is one for ABS and one for PBT, $35 each. I only got the ABS one.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 22 November 2010, 08:34:15
Holy crap :d

expensive. Oh well.... i'll think about it for next time.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 22 November 2010, 08:43:49
I was thinking I would send my sample thing off to the next organizing person after this batch.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Mon, 22 November 2010, 08:52:41
Quote from: Fwiffo;250406
Here's something I came up with after looking at the plastic samples. The legends are blue, WASD is cobalt blue with light blue legends.

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13627&d=1290401912)

To tell the truth, I don't like it... Dark gray or red on black, or one of the nintendo schemes ftw :3
Also, imo awesome face looks awkward in yellow without white eyes and red mouth!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 22 November 2010, 08:56:37
Quote from: Fwiffo;250406
Here's something I came up with after looking at the plastic samples. The legends are blue, WASD is cobalt blue with light blue legends.

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13627&d=1290401912)
The awesome face looks like a racist caricature.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 22 November 2010, 08:56:53
The trollface would probably work better (since it's two color to begin with) if we can work it in with the minimum thickness required for the lines.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Mon, 22 November 2010, 08:59:27
Quote from: Fwiffo;250406
Here's something I came up with after looking at the plastic samples. The legends are blue, WASD is cobalt blue with light blue legends.

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13627&d=1290401912)


which black and which blue you going to use?
they looks kinda dark when you 2 shot mold dark blue and black.
it looks ok, but i prefer light blue on W,A,S,D with dark blue legend.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 22 November 2010, 09:00:47
Both will look better if they use the interior of the face as the legend color instead of the outline. I promise, I'm going to find time to fix up the artwork at some point!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Mon, 22 November 2010, 09:50:58
Have they got a blue that matches the new blue Filco board? Black keys with a matching blue legend would really round that board off. I wonder why Filco didn't do that themselves, really.

Quote from: Fwiffo;250516
Regardless, the base set will include standard windows keys in addition to awesome face keys (the awesome key might even be an esc replacement rather than OS key).

Ah, I was just about to ask about that. There's quite a bit of demand for it, but personally I don't want some internet meme on my keyboard.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 22 November 2010, 09:56:11
The Filco keyboard is kinda a metallic blue, and none of them really match that. There are quite a few blues though, so one might be in the ballpark.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Mon, 22 November 2010, 12:35:42
Quote from: Fwiffo;250544
Both will look better if they use the interior of the face as the legend color instead of the outline. I promise, I'm going to find time to fix up the artwork at some point!
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/Awesomes.png)
EDIT:
Top row - legend only
Bottom row - legend and background
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 22 November 2010, 13:06:39
I'd go for a look of disapproval key. Easy enough.

 It'd also be a good way to attract redditors which would likely increase interest in a group buy. Especially since the first person to get the set would be able to karma **** by post a picture of the keycap on reddit.

Still also like the trollface. Think the awesome face loses something when it has to be reduced to two colors.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Zen on Mon, 22 November 2010, 14:28:59
'Stupid Signature'...

So, YOU have a factory that only produces geek-worthy DS key-caps ?
Maybe it's YOU who purchased the Cherry-machine ??
I would like to buy 25 sets for 1 buck per set ...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 22 November 2010, 14:30:17
Quote from: Zen;250716
'Stupid Signature'...

So, YOU have a factory that only produces geek-worthy DS key-caps ?
Maybe it's YOU who purchased the Cherry-machine ??
I would like to buy 25 sets for 1 buck per set ...


I think Rip's referring to the fact that out of all the double shot keycaps they sell on Pimpmykeyboard only a couple are MX compatible.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Mon, 22 November 2010, 14:41:41
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;250677
Think the awesome face loses something when it has to be reduced to two colors.
You are right though I think that the lack of colours is less noticable when shrunk to keycap size.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/Awesomessmall.png)
Quote from: ripster;250709
The lower right quadrant Awesome is my favorite.
I agree with you on the basis of a single key but I'm not sure I'd like a whole keyboard of yellow legend on black keys. I think that the black legend on the left works better but I know there aren't gonig to be many takers for a yellow keyset. Personally, if a certain keyboard is still in stock come Friday morning, I'll have all the yellow keys I want!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Azuremen on Mon, 22 November 2010, 14:47:16
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;250677
I'd go for a look of disapproval key. Easy enough.

 It'd also be a good way to attract redditors which would likely increase interest in a group buy. Especially since the first person to get the set would be able to karma **** by post a picture of the keycap on reddit.

Still also like the trollface. Think the awesome face loses something when it has to be reduced to two colors.


I need to karma **** some more, so I support this. And if I could make a macro that would type it when I hit that key, it would be even better.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Zen on Mon, 22 November 2010, 14:48:13
Quote from: ripster;250721
Yeah, I'm calling them stupid for wasting all that time on Pimpmykeyboard.com.

What a disaster of a website, a business model, and execution.

There's no reason they couldn't produce nice thick Cherry Corp clones with a little thought.  Or at least drive a decent novelty key business.

Ignoring the fact that the only people willing to pay what it costs seems to be us and the Korean GeekHaks ?
And the 80K tooling cost.. PR CAP !!
Maybe 'Pimpmykeyboard.com' was set up to test if there was a sound business in custom-caps for 'ordinary' consumers ?
Apparently there isn't ..
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Azuremen on Mon, 22 November 2010, 14:59:18
Quote from: Zen;250737
Ignoring the fact that the only people willing to pay what it costs seems to be us and the Korean GeekHaks ?
And the 80K tooling cost.. PR CAP !!
Maybe 'Pimpmykeyboard.com' was set up to test if there was a sound business in custom-caps for 'ordinary' consumers ?
Apparently there isn't ..


Because none of those keys work with popular keyboards for the most part? Would be like testing a market for custom wheels, but making them some obscure lug pattern...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: hoggy on Mon, 22 November 2010, 15:28:51
I'd be tempted by this -
(http://imgur.com/D9pOH.png)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Mon, 22 November 2010, 15:41:52
I really like that set too, but signature doesn't have any colors close to those. Actually, there is a light blue that's similar to the WASD colors, but the other bluish-grays don't exist.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: sadbox on Mon, 22 November 2010, 16:14:34
Quote from: hoggy;250755
I'd be tempted by this -
Show Image
(http://imgur.com/D9pOH.png)


Outside of blanks I would -love- something like that. It reminds me of the whole black on black theme that the ducky's are rocking.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: washuai on Mon, 22 November 2010, 16:55:28
I have the stealth look on my Topre board.  I have the Otaku easily scratched coated Filco caps on my Filco . . one of these days.  I want orange on my Topre or Geekhack keys.  Of course, there's the thinness.

At home, the theme is black, blue, some hints of blue violet.  I'm willing to throw in some green or purple or there between.  One of these days if it matters, I guess I'll be shelling out more than the cost of keyboard for some retro cupped thicker blacker and more colorful play on Dolch caps.

I'm not interested in troll face.  The only thing I really like about awesome is it reminds me of Ghost In the Shell Laughing Man.  I like a more medieval, magical game booster set, mostly.  I prefer WASD to not have the letters on them.  Really, if you had non letter characters, or arrows or blanks or something, then you can put them any where in that row and/on the arrow keys, profile wise.  I support, even understanding the additional costs, the keys that deviate are in addition to more subtle.  Ideally controversial keys are 'extra' with a nondescript basic.
 
I have symbol ideas, most of them somewhere on ClickClack's list of custom crazies.  Some I've seen in this thread:  biohazard, radioactive, lightning . . mmm I forget.  Earth, water, fire, & air . . . Sword, ninja star, tomoes, yin yang, triquetra, pentacle, shield . . .

In regular Filco profile, I could definitely use some blanks of colors.  I'm glad this isn't happening until New Year.  
For your basic black and whites, I definitely can wait to see what Elite Keyboards is up to.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 22 November 2010, 18:01:51
If the trend is going toward funky colors, how about this

(http://qq.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/c/4/kbc/attachments/day_101118/1011181921829152bddc014f82.jpg)

http://qq.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/c/4/kbc/attachments/day_101118/1011181921829152bddc014f82.jpg
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: dizzyone on Tue, 23 November 2010, 05:19:09
Quote from: Fwiffo;250763
I really like that set too, but signature doesn't have any colors close to those. Actually, there is a light blue that's similar to the WASD colors, but the other bluish-grays don't exist.



Did you manage to take a picture of the color samples, or are the ones posted earlier the same?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Tue, 23 November 2010, 06:48:16
Quote from: Zen;250737

Maybe 'Pimpmykeyboard.com' was set up to test if there was a sound business in custom-caps for 'ordinary' consumers ?
Apparently there isn't ..


If you set up a business that sells peeled fruits to test if there is any market for selling peeled fruits but bananas and apples are the only 2 peeled fruits you sell for right-handed eaters while all other fruits are only suitable for left-handed eaters, then your "test-model" is just bull**** and has no validity on wether or not there is a market for peeled-fruits.


Wait wah'?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Tue, 23 November 2010, 06:50:46
Quote from: Twitchy;250661
Show Image
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/Awesomes.png)



Also: those look great. I like both in the bottom row. But I see how the bottom right one is more universally usable, also on a primarily black board, while the bottom left would probably require a board that has some yellow keys to begin with.

fyi: I plan to use awesome as my Alt Gr key :p
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Tue, 23 November 2010, 07:59:44
Quote from: Twitchy;250661
Top row - legend only
Bottom row - legend and background


The top row is an attempt to show the legends on their own, the bottom row to show what they'd look like on keys.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 23 November 2010, 08:26:24
Quote from: dizzyone;251082
Did you manage to take a picture of the color samples, or are the ones posted earlier the same?

Sorry, I don't have a camera so I'll have to borrow one. And I'm flying out for Thanksgiving, so it won't be until after then. But you can look at sixty's picture:

(http://oi55.tinypic.com/m8e3if.jpg)

I've circled the ABS ring. The other samples are PBT, which can't be used for double-shots. The colors don't come out well in a picture because of various monitor calibrations, samples translucency and reflectivity, different cameras' spectral sensetivity, different lighting conditions, etc, but you get the general idea.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Tue, 23 November 2010, 10:18:47
Can I have a full set of those keys please? All blank except "X%&#!" as an escape key. Never mind profiles or any of that stuff just orange keys!

...and thick ones at that
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 23 November 2010, 10:27:13
Quote from: ripster;251170
And I think this $80K tooling cost being thrown around is a Signature smokescreen.

Haven't we already had this discussion? The thicker keys are SA family, which is a spherical top instead of cylindrical top. We could do SA keys instead of DCS, but I got the impression most people wanted key profiles similar to what is on Filco keyboards.

Or is there some other particular property you're looking for?

I'm actually getting close to saying "**** it" on the complete double-shot set. I'm not confident any more about getting a combination of colors and features that appeal to 50 people. There is one color scheme proposed that everyone likes, but the colors are not actually available.

I might fall back on just doing a run of a special key, like awesomeface or trollface.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Tue, 23 November 2010, 10:36:11
Quote from: Fwiffo;251188
I'm actually getting close to saying "**** it" on the complete double-shot set. I'm not confident any more about getting a combination of colors and features that appeal to 50 people. There is one color scheme proposed that everyone likes, but the colors are not actually available.

I might fall back on just doing a run of a special key, like awesomeface or trollface.


Don't D: I really look forward on this mass order, and I really thank you for initiating the idea :D I'll go with the majority anyway.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Tue, 23 November 2010, 11:05:36
Perhaps it would make the whole thing easier if you decide on a set you think will sell, and then see if there are fifty people who want it. It's great that you've been letting everyone suggest their own dream set of key caps, but we're just ending up with everyone asking for something different. Looking at the first Filco order set, WhiteRice pretty much had the design and layout of the set picked from the beginning, and then everyone worked out details after that.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Tue, 23 November 2010, 11:12:37
Quote from: Fwiffo;251188
Haven't we already had this discussion? The thicker keys are SA family, which is a spherical top instead of cylindrical top. We could do SA keys instead of DCS, but I got the impression most people wanted key profiles similar to what is on Filco keyboards.

Or is there some other particular property you're looking for?

I'm actually getting close to saying "**** it" on the complete double-shot set. I'm not confident any more about getting a combination of colors and features that appeal to 50 people. There is one color scheme proposed that everyone likes, but the colors are not actually available.

I might fall back on just doing a run of a special key, like awesomeface or trollface.

Why not doing mockups of some popular (and possible) color schemes and make a final poll?
Title: What's the hurry?
Post by: Twitchy on Tue, 23 November 2010, 11:27:23
I took so long writing this that I've kind of been beaten to the punch, but I'll say it anyway.

It seems like we'd only seen a couple of ideas before the pressure started to pick one. Well, I think that we need to see more ideas, more ideas without any thought about choosing which one to order. If we set a deadline for ideas of a month or two for "blue sky" thinking, then that gives us plenty of time.

When the deadline is reached we whittle the ideas down to a manageable  number (ten maybe?) of different themes. Different ones, not ten variations of a Nintendo (or orange :crazy:) theme. Perhaps then someone (I think muchadoaboutnothing said that he could) can set up that external poll where we rank the themes to narrow the list further and eventually make a choice.

For all these wonderfully democratic ideas though, I really feel that Fwiffo (or whoever takes over should "**** it" come into effect) has final say. It would take someone more magnanimous than myself to do all the work required to order a set, if they didn't even like it.

These are just my thoughts, I really just wanted to say that I see no reason to rush. If we do it right, then finding fifty buyers shouldn't be hard.
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Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 23 November 2010, 11:57:27
Well, there are certain restrictions that have led to my frustration, but it's not insurmountable.

- I don't really want to do something that repeats the general theme of the previous set. Specifically, I don't want to do a gray color scheme.
- It needs to look good with the black frame.
- It needs to be able to sell 50+ sets.
- It needs to not use too many colors.
- It needs to use the available ABS colors.
- It needs to conform to the various other restrictions of the manufacturing process.

My frustration mounted after seeing the available colors. There's a wide selection, but they ruled out my most favorite proposed schemes. That grayish blue scheme is beautiful, but there are no bluish gray colors available even close to that. I'm also pissed that there are no purples at all.

Pretty much of all the proposed schemes that I like, the only ones that actually work are colored legends (red, blue, whatever) on black keys. I am not actually a fan of the Nintendo colors. In particular, I think there are some reds, oranges, several blues and maybe one or two greens that would look good for legends on black keys. There are some yellows that might look good too, but I'm worried that they'll just look like old yellowed keys (I have the same concern about gray or off-white legends).

After I get back from Thanksgiving, I'm going to go through the available colors carefully, narrow it down to those I think actually look really nice, and try to get some color swatches or pictures up that accurately represent them. Those who want to come up with color schemes would do well to calibrate their monitor in the mean time!
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Post by: JLai on Tue, 23 November 2010, 12:21:56
In all honesty, the keycaps are not super expensive.  We could go ahead with 2-3 different themes and still have it affordable.

This is from Signature Plastics for DCS profile, doubleshot, ABS plastic, Cherry MX mount, full 104 key replacement  ->

5 sets            $194.25 / set
10 sets          $108.78 / set
15 sets          $80.28 / set
 
Custom 'legend' keycaps (i.e. custom logos) are a one-time charge of $25.
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Post by: panda-R on Tue, 23 November 2010, 12:27:43
LOL @ $80/set being affordable. I rather buy me another interesting keyboard. We don't make a lot of money in communist society.
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Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 23 November 2010, 12:28:07
I thought it was a lot more than $25 for custom art. If it's that cheap, we might as well do a few different ones; it's not much spread out over the cost of 50 or so keys/sets.

On the other hand, $80 is way too expensive for a set. Anything much over $50 is probably too much.
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Post by: bakageta on Tue, 23 November 2010, 12:28:07
I have to admit, I was kind of disappointed by the color selection, just going by the pic posted... I picked out a couple of colors that I personally thought would look good for legends on black keys, thought obviously I don't know exactly how these look not having them in person. Here's the 7 I liked, and then do a color key with black legends for WASD, Esc, and possibly boosters for ESDF and the arrows.

(http://baka.draecas.com/images/colors.png)
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Post by: JLai on Tue, 23 November 2010, 12:34:23
I was thinking a $30 difference is not going to break the bank...especially if people are more satisfied with the color theme they end up with.  That's like what...1 good meal?

Just offering suggestions/trying to help...
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Post by: keyboardlover on Tue, 23 November 2010, 12:36:28
For the price of Filco/Ducky + custom doubleshots, you could buy a Realforce.

(http://www.mds975.co.uk/Images/homer_simpson_doh_01.jpg)
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Post by: Savant on Tue, 23 November 2010, 12:42:35
Quote from: JLai;251271
I was thinking a $30 difference is not going to break the bank...especially if people are more satisfied with the color theme they end up with.  That's like what...1 good meal?

Just offering suggestions/trying to help...


I agree. A $30 delta is not gonna break the bank for me. I'd even be willing to pay the $200 price point to get the exact set I want.

I just bought a HHKB Pro2 for nearly $300 just because I was curious about topres and needed a very portable solution. This isn't exactly a cheap hobby, but neither are my other hobbies. Compared to high end headphones, photography, and road course track days for my weekend car these are pennies on the dollar.
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Post by: panda-R on Tue, 23 November 2010, 12:44:06
Quote from: JLai;251271
I was thinking a $30 difference is not going to break the bank...especially if people are more satisfied with the color theme they end up with.  That's like what...1 good meal?

Just offering suggestions/trying to help...


yeah but another $30 difference on top of that $30 difference could get you a nice board. If you reason it that way then for another 2 meals, which won't break the bank either you can get a keyboard with free keycaps!
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Post by: keyboardlover on Tue, 23 November 2010, 12:45:59
I agree with Panda's logic. Pandas are a very intelligent species.

(http://motherjones.com/files/legacy/blue_marble_blog/panda01.jpg)
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Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 23 November 2010, 12:46:17
Maybe I live a frugal lifestyle, but $60 is roughly my weekly budget for meals. $30 for a meal is on the fancy side, like third date territory.
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Post by: woody on Tue, 23 November 2010, 12:49:01
$60 is more than 1/2 of a monthly pension around.
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Post by: Lanx on Tue, 23 November 2010, 12:49:34
well relatively speaking 60$ could get you 2 used cherry brown boards if you go ebay diving, maybe 2/3 modelm boards, or you can spend that whole 60$ just to pimp out your current keyboard? (plus it's not all that pimpin either)
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Post by: JLai on Tue, 23 November 2010, 12:51:57
Don't get me wrong, I'd rather pay $50.  If that's the price point we need to reach in order for this project to occur, then so be it.

In any event, a poll should probably be setup with the top choices so we can get the ball rolling and see how many are willing to commit.
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Post by: panda-R on Tue, 23 November 2010, 12:59:20
At the end of the day, I think the most important thing is if I have bamboo on my dinner plate.
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Post by: Twitchy on Tue, 23 November 2010, 13:02:28
Only 24 hours to save the universe, must buy keycaps now!
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Post by: Twitchy on Tue, 23 November 2010, 13:05:20
Quote from: panda-R;251302
At the end of the day, I think the most important thing is if I have bamboo on my dinner plate.


When I were a lad, we considered ourselves lucky to even see a dinner plate, let alone eat bamboo off one!:rolleyes:
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Post by: WhiteRice on Tue, 23 November 2010, 13:06:47
Quote from: panda-R;251302
At the end of the day, I think the most important thing is if I have bamboo on my dinner plate.
Awe panda, awe
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Post by: keyboardlover on Tue, 23 November 2010, 13:08:03
(http://www.greenearthtraveler.org/files/stories/bamboo_panda.jpg)

They should make a keyboard called Panda. MUCH cuter name than 'Ducky'.
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Post by: Savant on Tue, 23 November 2010, 13:08:50
Quote from: panda-R;251302
At the end of the day, I think the most important thing is if I have bamboo on my dinner plate.


:rofl:
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Post by: woody on Tue, 23 November 2010, 13:08:56
I want a pet panda.
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Post by: JLai on Tue, 23 November 2010, 13:12:12
Quote from: ripster;251324
They have one called PedoBear but you can only use it on 12chan.


I still stand by my original post about using PedoBear for a keycap. :)

(http://houseofgrafix.net/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/0c225f494634fec697e91860979c59b2.jpg)
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Post by: keyboardlover on Tue, 23 November 2010, 13:18:21
Quote from: JLai
I still stand by my original post about using PedoBear for a keycap. :)

Show Image
(http://houseofgrafix.net/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/0c225f494634fec697e91860979c59b2.jpg)


Agreed...great idea!
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Post by: Lanx on Tue, 23 November 2010, 13:46:09
Aren't panda's like impossible to keep around? like they can't really procreate well, they require too much bamboo that could be made into keyboards. I mean i had a panda merit badge (the wwf, not wrestling) and my mom even gave me gold panda coins (they symbolize something). But i have no affinity for the animal that really should be extinct.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: woody on Tue, 23 November 2010, 13:47:56
Quote from: Lanx;251357
But i have no affinity for the animal that really should be extinct.

That goes for humans as well.
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Post by: fssbzz on Tue, 23 November 2010, 14:41:07
hi, to those who need to see the color,
since fwiffo don't have his camera right now.
(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/fssbzz/90b780bd.jpg)
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Post by: wap32 on Tue, 23 November 2010, 14:51:55
Quote from: fssbzz;251412
hi, to those who need to see the color,
since fwiffo don't have his camera right now.
[pic]


You can make the keycaps clear (sample 'uev')?

That could bring some wicked combinations on double-shot keys.
Black with clear lettering would be awesome for backlit boards, and clear keys with black/color legends would be plain crazy.
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Post by: fssbzz on Tue, 23 November 2010, 14:54:02
Quote from: wap32;251418
You can make the keycaps clear?

That could bring some wicked combinations on double-shot keys.
Black with clear lettering would be awesome for backlit boards, and clear keys with black/color legends would be plain crazy.


i don think so, the key cap will look weird, and the first shot will be visible.
and might block the LED, create unbalance lightning from the back light keyboard.
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Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 23 November 2010, 14:55:32
Thanks fssbzz! That's a huge help.
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Post by: fssbzz on Tue, 23 November 2010, 14:57:16
Quote from: Fwiffo;251422
Thanks fssbzz! That's a huge help.


np =)
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Post by: RoboKrikit on Tue, 23 November 2010, 16:14:41
Quote from: fssbzz;251412
hi, to those who need to see the color,
since fwiffo don't have his camera right now.


I like VAG.

There seem to be some usable dark blues in there.  Are those all ABS?
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Post by: Twitchy on Tue, 23 November 2010, 16:23:26
Is there a list of colour names to go with those codes or do you just order by code?
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Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 23 November 2010, 16:34:02
All the colors in fssbzz's picture are ABS. It's only one of the two chains though (the other being entirely tones of grayish).

I think you'd just order by code. I assume it's the system used by their plastic supplier; I don't know if it could translate into some other system like pantone.
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Post by: fssbzz on Tue, 23 November 2010, 18:09:14
ya, order by code.
but must see if they got available stock too.
must check their inventory.
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Post by: jmpespxoreax on Tue, 23 November 2010, 22:12:18
Quote from: fssbzz;251412
hi, to those who need to see the color,
since fwiffo don't have his camera right now.
Show Image
(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/fssbzz/90b780bd.jpg)


Is it just me, or is there a taser in this picture?
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Post by: fssbzz on Tue, 23 November 2010, 22:53:42
Quote from: jmpespxoreax;251610
Is it just me, or is there a taser in this picture?


is you dude. =D
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Post by: lloyd on Wed, 24 November 2010, 01:31:05
I would buy this. Suggestion (from the posted color sample code images):

Key Color/Letter Color
-----------------------
RAS/WEA
GTC(lt grey)/(black)
GTA(dk grey)/(black)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13592&stc=1&d=1290297895)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Wed, 24 November 2010, 02:09:17
Som of the darker tiles in fssbzz's picture look darker on one end than the other. Are there two finishes on each tile?
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Post by: sixty on Wed, 24 November 2010, 02:24:02
Quote from: Twitchy;251661
Som of the darker tiles in fssbzz's picture look darker on one end than the other. Are there two finishes on each tile?


Half of the plastic plate is roughed up (like the top of a keycap) while the other  half is untampered (like the sides of a keycap).
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Post by: pipedream on Wed, 24 November 2010, 03:41:55
I think a dark green otaku set would look really good. I would like to eventually get another FILCO for work, with blank keys.
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Post by: Twitchy on Wed, 24 November 2010, 04:48:21
Quote from: sixty;251663
Half of the plastic plate is roughed up (like the top of a keycap) while the other  half is untampered (like the sides of a keycap).


Aaah. I'd wondered if the different finishes could be used to add some variety if the choice of colours wasn't there.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Wed, 24 November 2010, 10:26:51
Wow, they have some unfortunate color codes in there. VAG? Seriously?

Anyhow, word search aside, a nice blue legend on a black key would get my vote. Say, BFR or BO. See? BO! who picked these names? :crazy: You know the SP office is just waiting for the day when someone orders up double shot keys that have a VAG legend in a BED keycap.
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Post by: woody on Wed, 24 November 2010, 10:32:35
What's wrong with VAG?
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Post by: bakageta on Wed, 24 November 2010, 10:50:09
Quote from: Mr. Perfect;251762
Wow, they have some unfortunate color codes in there. VAG? Seriously?

Anyhow, word search aside, a nice blue legend on a black key would get my vote. Say, BFR or BO. See? BO! who picked these names? :crazy: You know the SP office is just waiting for the day when someone orders up double shot keys that have a VAG legend in a BED keycap.


I was thinking a little lighter, like BFN, BFP, or BDH. I think they'd look better for an inverted scheme on WASD or other keys. BO looks like it might be ok for that, but BFR just seems too dark to me.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Wed, 24 November 2010, 11:23:44
Hmm, yes, those could work too. BDH is a rich color. The only reason I picked the dark ones was so it wouldn't look neon. Need something in between these two.

Quote from: dizzyone;248221

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/l60xa.png)

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/RnB3r.png)



Quote from: woody;251766
What's wrong with VAG?


Nothing, I just don't want it all over my keyboard.
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Post by: fssbzz on Wed, 24 November 2010, 11:41:05
lol, i don't want any VAG on my kb either.
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Post by: Fwiffo on Wed, 24 November 2010, 16:44:00
In person, VAG looks worse than it does in pictures.
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Post by: woody on Wed, 24 November 2010, 16:49:35
I thought everyone is looking for VAG after all.
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Post by: fssbzz on Wed, 24 November 2010, 18:19:27
Quote from: Fwiffo;252005
In person, VAG looks worse than it does in pictures.


yup, that is very true.
Dark Green on a kb, is just ugly.
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Post by: Azuremen on Wed, 24 November 2010, 20:24:19
Someone should see how these react to UV lights. Could make some glow in the dark (With secret UV lamp) legends and keycaps perhaps.
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Post by: woody on Thu, 25 November 2010, 04:14:07
UV == cancer.
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Post by: Mr. Perfect on Fri, 26 November 2010, 01:39:33
This Esc key with the pictogram that qlojolp has on his board is pretty cool. Any idea if SP makes those?

Quote from: qlojolp;251676
Show Image
(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/qlojolp/Keyboards/DSCF0118.jpg)
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Post by: spolia optima on Fri, 26 November 2010, 02:43:15
I'm only interested in PBT or POM replacement sets. Something with a serif typeface would look pretty sharp too.
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Post by: Fwiffo on Fri, 26 November 2010, 18:28:14
Signature doesn't do POM, and PBT isn't compatible with the double-shot process.They also don't have a serif font.
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Post by: adamgoldberg on Fri, 26 November 2010, 19:42:17
I think I'm down for nearly anything, 'cause no one would have anything like it.  I really like the idea of #$@! on the ESC key, I dont' need WASD (but don't care one way or the other), and as far as hobbies go ... I'd be buying a keyboard to match the keys (not the other way around), so IMHO anything <$100 or so is fine.
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Post by: Regles on Sat, 27 November 2010, 02:45:13
I would love to get this colour scheme.  Just out of curiosity and being new here, what would this would cost for 1 set? Also, when is this order going to occur?
Forgot to ask: From the pictures, it looks like there are only enough keys for the tenkeyless. Will it be a full 104 key set?
-Thanks
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Post by: Twitchy on Sat, 27 November 2010, 03:44:57
No new ideas for a while so I thought I'd try and get the ball rolling again. Nothing amazingly technical, no fonts, just some basic colour schemes. I took colours from fssbzz's picture of samples earlier in the thread (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=251412&postcount=493) though (as far as can tell) paint.net has no function for taking an average colour from a group of pixels so I may have selected the odd dud.

VV-VCS-VCM

Modifiers, Cursor, ESC: VV
Alphanumeric: VCS
WASD: VCM

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/VV-VCS-VCM.png)

OB-OAS-YCG

Modifiers, Cursor, ESC: OB
Alphanumeric: OAS
WASD: YCG

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/OB-OAS-YCG.png)

BE-BBJ-RCJ

Modifiers, Cursor, ESC: BE
Alphanumeric: BBJ
WASD: RCJ

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/BE-BBJ-RCJ.png)
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Post by: Mr. Perfect on Sat, 27 November 2010, 14:53:38
Nice mock ups.:smile: I think the green looks best, but mostly because it's made entirely out of green. The yellow thrown in with the two oranges is distracting, likewise with the lavender paired up with the two blues. Are there any other nice oranges and blues that could be used on WASD?
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Post by: Soarer on Sat, 27 November 2010, 15:21:45
If a gamer's pack of different coloured WASD keys is likely to be available, could it include E and F?

Sorry if that's been asked before, this thread is huge!
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Post by: Twitchy on Sat, 27 November 2010, 15:50:12
If a gamers pack just had arrows it could replace any keys we liked.
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Post by: Twitchy on Sat, 27 November 2010, 16:34:15
Quote from: Mr. Perfect;253075
Nice mock ups.:smile: I think the green looks best, but mostly because it's made entirely out of green. The yellow thrown in with the two oranges is distracting, likewise with the lavender paired up with the two blues. Are there any other nice oranges and blues that could be used on WASD?


I am partially colour blind so those combinations look fine to me! :smile:

Having also created a "Smurf" keyboard (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246504&postcount=105) and a "Cheetos-proof" keyboard (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246768&postcount=125) (:puke:)I think that the colour choices are probably best left to other people. I could knock a couple more up if you see colours that you think will work well together.

Colours here (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=251412&postcount=493)
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Post by: WhiteRice on Sat, 27 November 2010, 19:08:07
Smurf board rules!
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Post by: Lanx on Sat, 27 November 2010, 21:11:39
Quote from: kalrykh;253172
I'm not quite sure why many gamers use wasd.  your pinky is your weakest finger, so if you use the other 3, you're shifting your entire hand left one key on the home row.  why not use esdf and leave your fingers on the home row where you learned to type anyway? so for me, if you do a set of gaming keys, i'd much rather have just the arrows on the keys so i can put them on esdf.  as far as colors go, im fine with anything contemporary, nothing i'd find on a shag carpet from the 70's.


wasd been in place for a long time, i think it was back in the 80's where you could have 2 player pc/commodore games and one person would take wasd
and the other would take ijkl and there's you 2 player game.
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Post by: Azuremen on Sat, 27 November 2010, 23:14:40
Quote from: kalrykh;253172
I'm not quite sure why many gamers use wasd.  your pinky is your weakest finger, so if you use the other 3, you're shifting your entire hand left one key on the home row.  why not use esdf and leave your fingers on the home row where you learned to type anyway?.


I prefer where the ctrl sits under my pinky with WASD, as I've found my pinky is a bit shorter ratio wise compared to most people's. Which kind of explains why I never use them when I type really.
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Post by: johnnysasaki on Sun, 28 November 2010, 02:42:54
Quote from: Azuremen;253209
I prefer where the ctrl sits under my pinky with WASD, as I've found my pinky is a bit shorter ratio wise compared to most people's. Which kind of explains why I never use them when I type really.


Me too! My pinky is also disproportionately short (because I spent so much time as a kid writing and drawing, and apparently I am heavy handed so it smushed my pinky into midgetism). Finally, someone else with a short pinky!
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Post by: db_Iodine on Sun, 28 November 2010, 02:52:36
I have a permanently disabled joint on my left pinky. The joint is locked on straigt and can't be bent to any direction. This makes it impossible for me to press left control with my left pinky if I'm using WASD. On the other hand I can use left control if I'm using ESDF.

My vote would go for the arrows, so people can use either WASD or ESDF depending on their needs and wishes.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: bakageta on Sun, 28 November 2010, 10:50:04
I'd vote for WASD and EF, personally... That way you can have the nub on the alternate F key still, for typing purposes. Really, it's not like adding two keys is going to make the cost of the set go ridiculous.
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Post by: Azuremen on Sun, 28 November 2010, 16:20:31
Quote from: johnnysasaki;253254
Me too! My pinky is also disproportionately short (because I spent so much time as a kid writing and drawing, and apparently I am heavy handed so it smushed my pinky into midgetism). Finally, someone else with a short pinky!


My brother and I both think it is from death gripping old NES controllers for years.

Quote from: db_Iodine;253255

My vote would go for the arrows, so people can use either WASD or ESDF depending on their needs and wishes.


I have to say I like this idea the most. Would also allow me to place them where ever for StarCraft (Up Arrow for Strom, yes please)
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Post by: Soarer on Sun, 28 November 2010, 16:57:00
I guess if the WASD are just marked with arrows it would work, losing the nub on F  doesn't matter that much really.
If they're marked with letters AND arrows then clearly it would mean 4 extra keys to have ESDF as well.
But my preference would be for no arrows, just a different shade of the same hue as the rest of the alpha keys - more 'subtle' than 'in your face' :)
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Post by: laden3 on Sun, 28 November 2010, 18:07:20
Quote from: ripster;253546
Have we talked already about just doing a run of KBC style laser engraved keys?

Lasered PBT with no infill.  I believe Signature Plastics has the equipment/molds to do this.  This will last a LOT longer than all the other alternatives being discussed.


+1 support:biggrin:

edit: or... order PBT keycaps from SP and let Unicomp dye-sub them for us
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Post by: msiegel on Sun, 28 November 2010, 18:19:24
Quote from: ripster;253546
no infill


that's a very interesting idea :D
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Post by: panda-R on Sun, 28 November 2010, 19:09:11
Quote from: ripster;253546
Have we talked already about just doing a run of KBC style laser engraved keys?

Lasered PBT with no infill.  I believe Signature Plastics has the equipment/molds to do this.  This will last a LOT longer than all the other alternatives being discussed.


dood i am totally in for PBT caps cuz PBT is the BOMBZ!
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Post by: arc2 on Sun, 28 November 2010, 20:20:44
I am most definitely interested in this, I am assuming the UK key layout will be available, ie the larger enter key ?

In terms of the specific designs I like most of them, and barring a decision on a bright pink layout or similar I will buy the keys.

Thanks to the guys who are spending time and effort to make this happen, it is appreciated.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Sun, 28 November 2010, 20:43:48
Quote from: ripster;253546
Have we talked already about just doing a run of KBC style laser engraved keys?

Lasered PBT with no infill.  I believe Signature Plastics has the equipment/molds to do this.  This will last a LOT longer than all the other alternatives being discussed.

Those look nice.  I like not being able to see the legend unless you really look for them.

Can someone explain the pros/cons of PBT vs ABS?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: bakageta on Sun, 28 November 2010, 21:05:51
Can someone post up the PBT color samples? I wonder what our options are there...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Mon, 29 November 2010, 03:54:58
Quote from: ripster;253546
Have we talked already about just doing a run of KBC style laser engraved keys?

Lasered PBT with no infill.  I believe Signature Plastics has the equipment/molds to do this.  This will last a LOT longer than all the other alternatives being discussed.

Soulhunter's keyboard
Show Image
(http://t.oomuch.info/src/1259945015810.jpg)

Actually this isn't mine, its sixtys iirc, I have this two:

Otaku + White PBT KBCs
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13706&stc=1&d=1291024299)

Otaku + Engraved/Lasered KBCs + Scarface aluminum WASD
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13705&stc=1&d=1291024272)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Mon, 29 November 2010, 04:23:23
Quote from: arc2;253608
I am most definitely interested in this, I am assuming the UK key layout will be available, ie the larger enter key ?

In terms of the specific designs I like most of them, and barring a decision on a bright pink layout or similar I will buy the keys.

Thanks to the guys who are spending time and effort to make this happen, it is appreciated.
I expect that buyers with a keyboard layout other than US will have to buy a booster pack containing blank keys and a larger enter key. It seems that there are just too many variations in international layouts for there to be a cost effective way of accommodating everybody.:sad:
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Mon, 29 November 2010, 08:28:26
Quote from: ripster;253546
Show Image
(http://t.oomuch.info/src/1259945015810.jpg)


Where did they originally get these keycaps from?  Or was it some sort of custom order?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Mon, 29 November 2010, 08:42:45
They got 'em from KBC. A company in China/Taiwan/somewhere around there that only makes keycaps.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Mon, 29 November 2010, 10:35:07
I'd be down for that too. Since I have little hope for a full set of keys with GER layout even with booster packs/whatever, all I really want is some really nice blank WASD/ESDF keys and one or two novelty keys like Awesome or Troll Face.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Azuremen on Mon, 29 November 2010, 10:53:42
I have to say the KBC keys seems like a good idea. Really digging the black laser cut keys with no infill.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Lane Dean on Mon, 29 November 2010, 15:31:39
If i understand the wiki correctly, PBT keys are made from a harder plastic. This makes them more wear-resistant? I hate it when the texture gets worn off.

With normal keyboards (abs?), the keys start to wear after about 5 months of use. How long does the PBT material last in comparison?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Mon, 29 November 2010, 15:44:36
I'd also get 2 or 3 lasered/engraved sets! :)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Mon, 29 November 2010, 15:54:47
Quote from: Lane Dean;253978
If i understand the wiki correctly, PBT keys are made from a harder plastic. This makes them more wear-resistant? I hate it when the texture gets worn off.

With normal keyboards (abs?), the keys start to wear after about 5 months of use. How long does the PBT material last in comparison?

Perhaps harder, perhaps tougher, perhaps also a lower friction, dunno, all this can influence wear...
But what I do know is that my KBC caps show less wear after ~1 year than the stock Filco ones after a half!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Mon, 29 November 2010, 17:37:15
Can anyone doubleshot the KBC PBT KFC keys?

Also, why don't you Otaku people go make your own group buy already? :boink: This one is for double shots. :suspicious:
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Mon, 29 November 2010, 18:57:51
We need to start a poll and get the ball rolling.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: sadbox on Mon, 29 November 2010, 20:17:26
Quote from: JLai;254100
We need to start a poll and get the ball rolling.

I concur! I would if it would be possible for whoever created this thread to change what the poll is?


Quote from: Mr. Perfect;254046
Also, why don't you Otaku people go make your own group buy already? :boink: This one is for double shots. :suspicious:

 =( But us Otaku fans want fancy looking keyboards too!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Mon, 29 November 2010, 20:19:12
He said it will be ordered after the holidays, so there is no point in making a poll right now.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Mon, 29 November 2010, 20:33:44
Quote from: Kairxa;254136
He said it will be ordered after the holidays, so there is no point in making a poll right now.

Ack!  I must have missed that post.  Guess I'm impatient.  Although at this rate, it will take the entire holiday season to come to a consensus, lol.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: spolia optima on Mon, 29 November 2010, 22:34:31
Quote from: ripster;253546
Have we talked already about just doing a run of KBC style laser engraved keys?

Lasered PBT with no infill.  I believe Signature Plastics has the equipment/molds to do this.  This will last a LOT longer than all the other alternatives being discussed.


+++
Someone should make a thread about it. I would kick in a few buckaroonies.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Mon, 29 November 2010, 23:10:28
Quote from: blue6249;254135
=( But us Otaku fans want fancy looking keyboards too!

Naturally. :smile: You could get an Otaku group buy going, there's certainly enough people asking. It just seems odd to ask for legendless keys in a doubleshot thread. If anything personifies keys with legends more then physically cutting the character out and filling it back in with a second color, all in the hopes that the legend will never wear off, I dunno what it is. :lol: It's like the two extremes.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Azuremen on Tue, 30 November 2010, 03:09:53
Quote from: spolia optima;254173
+++
Someone should make a thread about it. I would kick in a few buckaroonies.


+1. I think I'd be more interested in a set of these than Doubleshots at the moment.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 30 November 2010, 07:24:08
I would also be in for some lasered caps with no infill.  Those kick ass.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Tue, 30 November 2010, 08:31:49
Quote from: itlnstln;254263
I would also be in for some lasered caps with no infill.  Those kick ass.


+1
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: hapsen on Tue, 30 November 2010, 09:19:18
Quote from: itlnstln;254263
I would also be in for some lasered caps with no infill.  Those kick ass.


:nod:  me 2
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: sairex on Tue, 30 November 2010, 09:47:30
Quote from: itlnstln;254263
I would also be in for some lasered caps with no infill.  Those kick ass.


Me too!!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: adamgoldberg on Tue, 30 November 2010, 10:50:27
Quote from: sairex;254312
me too!!


yes!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Lane Dean on Tue, 30 November 2010, 12:26:27
Would the 104 key set fit just the Filco? What about DAS, Steelseries, Thermaltake, Rosewill, and Razer?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Azuremen on Tue, 30 November 2010, 12:31:36
Quote from: Lane Dean;254388
Would the 104 key set fit just the Filco? What about DAS, Steelseries, Thermaltake, Rosewill, and Razer?


I know that the SteelSeries, Filco, and Rosewill RK-9000 all have the same keycap profile. I've mixed and matched each on different boards with no issue.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 30 November 2010, 18:35:19
Laden3 mentioned that after having SP laser etched the pbt keys; to then pass it along to Unicomp to dye sublimate them.

I think that would rawk :D


PBT with engraved is interesting but wouldn't be as clear as a doubleshot would it ? thats why maybe the added dye sublimate to it would be better :X if possible.

I'd sell my ducky pbt laser etched for those :D
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: laden3 on Tue, 30 November 2010, 18:49:45
I was talking about Unicomp helping us to dye sub blank PBT keycaps from SP (like they would do it...)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Tue, 30 November 2010, 19:39:01
I'd like my set without additional dye sublimation, unless its going to be like the black on black Topre keys.  I like the legend being somewhat hidden.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: johnnysasaki on Tue, 30 November 2010, 20:15:29
Quote from: Azuremen;254391
I know that the SteelSeries, Filco, and Rosewill RK-9000 all have the same keycap profile. I've mixed and matched each on different boards with no issue.


Yes, I do believe they all use key caps from the DCS profile family.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Azuremen on Tue, 30 November 2010, 20:50:48
I could swear me moving keys between the Rosewill and SteelSeries showed no discernible difference. If you want, I could later (room mate is gaming on the 6Gv2 atm) try changing some keys around from the boards and see how it works.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Azuremen on Tue, 30 November 2010, 21:21:33
I could try to borrow my friends Black Widow at some point and fiddle with those keys. Not sure when I could do this though.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: PRISONER 24601 on Wed, 01 December 2010, 02:16:50
Does the laser infill cost extra?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: DawnFlower on Wed, 01 December 2010, 03:32:17
I have to go oversea for more than a month towards the end of January. Do you guys know the ETA of when this batch will be shipped?

I prefer blank or weird symbols all over :)
colour-wise, checkered or pink or rosy red ^^~!

if it's gonna be late Jan, then I'll have to wait till the next batch I guess.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: tjweir on Wed, 01 December 2010, 10:27:39
I just saw an interesting key on OTD today, which may be a compromise between face legends and otakus.

http://www.otd.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=album&wr_id=44816&page=2

(http://www.otd.kr/data/file/album/1988288930_88b92bc4_SNC00288.jpg)

It looks pretty good to me.  Just a bit more fodder for debate. :)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 01 December 2010, 10:35:38
I like that, too.  I would still rather have laser-etched with no infill.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 01 December 2010, 10:40:34
It sort of defeats the purpose since the number keys don't have the symbol.  I would like a nicer font, too, but the idea's sound.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 02 December 2010, 02:13:01
arrow keys on the WASD

http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,cherrymxkeys&pid=wasd


It's kinda like your screenshot but only specific for the WASD usually used by gamers for movement.

Opinions ?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Thu, 02 December 2010, 07:46:32
yes on the arrows, no on the printing. Make 'em blank :)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Sat, 04 December 2010, 18:00:25
TTT.  Let's not let this die out. :)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: RoboKrikit on Sat, 04 December 2010, 18:14:54
Quote from: ripster;253546
Have we talked already about just doing a run of KBC style laser engraved keys?

Lasered PBT with no infill.  I believe Signature Plastics has the equipment/molds to do this.  This will last a LOT longer than all the other alternatives being discussed.

Soulhunter's keyboard
Show Image
(http://t.oomuch.info/src/1259945015810.jpg)


I still really like this, especially if the greybluepurple color scheme doesn't work out.  I know they aren't double-shots, but still.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JBert on Sat, 04 December 2010, 18:34:48
Actually, would those laser-engraved keys be cheaper to customize?
That is, would it take a lot of retooling to order a Colemak or localized set?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Sat, 04 December 2010, 18:44:54
Does anyone want to take over this project? I just don't think I'm doing a good job as organizer.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: laden3 on Sat, 04 December 2010, 21:01:33
IMO, you were too open for ideas... it is probably better to come out with the set of keycaps you want and start collecting people/votes/money etc, like what was done in the first order
or (influenced by personal preferences)
try something different from dual-shot and ABS= PBT and laser or PBT and dye-sub (I really want this... if Unicomp is willing to do it cheap, that would be great!) or glow-in-dark and dye-sub (I like this too...but, not sure about the outcome)

Still, I appreciate someone's effort in doing these custom orders (since most of the people like me don't want to take the risk and are too lazy), would you mind trying to do the things mentioned above >.<'''
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Sat, 04 December 2010, 21:16:24
So now we have a REPUTATION BAR!!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kairxa on Sat, 04 December 2010, 21:50:52
But when the points are enough, you get another bar, and so on.

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm277/padiah/NewPicture16.jpg?1291521011)

It's a long long journey.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Sam on Sat, 04 December 2010, 22:13:21
Quote from: ripster;257276
Lol - 64,902 posts.  I can beat that.


Is that going to be your New Year's resolution?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Sat, 04 December 2010, 22:49:19
The biggest problem is that I don't have enough interest in any one particular set, and I'm distracted by holiday crap. But I am going to officially give up ownership, if that means anything.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: isp on Sat, 04 December 2010, 22:58:20
The laser engraved keys would be a good idea imo, being something diff from the recent group buy.  Could lure those wallets back out again.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Sat, 04 December 2010, 23:56:19
Quote from: Fwiffo;257320
The biggest problem is that I don't have enough interest in any one particular set, and I'm distracted by holiday crap. But I am going to officially give up ownership, if that means anything.

dood are your for real because we need someone to take ownership and bring this project to completion and if you feel that you need to step aside, you should nominate someone capable to bring this to completion! for the sake of the children!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Sat, 04 December 2010, 23:59:45
i want to take over the project.
but is too late right now, i will be out of states for 3 months to singapore.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sun, 05 December 2010, 00:33:28
Step 1 - Final consensus on keycap set needs to be agreed upon .... (doubleshot abs keycaps again; or pbt laser etched ??? Color scheme ???? Any special keys or extra booster packs ???? Thickness of keycaps should be better than the previous MO done by whiterice imho )

Step 2 - Get the price quote from Signature Plastic (haggle for discount. Ever heard of groupon ??? people bulk buy in exchange for discounts )

Step 3 - Post the pricings + shipping costs (especially for international participants)

Step 4 - Collect the moolahs (people who don't pay in time lose their slot)

Step 5 - Send payment to SP. Wait for them to make and be shipped to the organizer.

Step 6 - Organizer sorts the keycaps by parcels; ships them all out to participants (packaging should be like those USPS boxes whiterice used)

Step 7 - Everyone gets their keycaps = profit ;_;



:X any takers ???


(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5712/900246255bd93c82ae2ce4.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: ironman31 on Sun, 05 December 2010, 00:41:15
I don't think you can get Signature to make their caps any thicker
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: laden3 on Sun, 05 December 2010, 00:44:33
As if we can reach a final consensus...everyone has their own ideal set of keycaps (look at all the previous posts), the person who is willing to spend his/her time in organizing this custom order should have the authority to decide what he/she wants. Then it is up to the others to choose whether to follow or to wait until someone else to organize another custom order with their favorite color/ material etc. You can vote me down if you think I am wrong, but, please correct me or give me a compelling reason, for example "You are just an idiot because you didn't buy a Filco."
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sun, 05 December 2010, 00:45:00
Quote from: ironman31;257354
I don't think you can get Signature to make their caps any thicker

No biggie, but maybe we can get more discount instead then :x


@laden3

But i wouldn't discount the suggestions made for far. Some of them have been good :X but it's about time the new organizer step in and say what the sets going to be and get the price quote for it.



Anyway this is my suggestion for whoever wants to take over

- 104 doubleshot abs (cherry mx compatible keycaps obviously)
- DCS ?
- different font (i thought White rice's font was fine; but for a change maybe something more mainstream like smaller font. Suggestions ? )
- dolche ( same as White rice's. I think the color scheme rawks :} )
- WASD keys same like White rice's but with arrow keys on the sides.
- OPTIONAL booster packs (blank keycaps; J shaped enter; small sized \| and backspace for compatibility with steelseries 6gv2/7g keyboards; alternative windows keycap)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 05 December 2010, 01:15:03
I'd offer to do it since Panda's are project managers by nature, however due to my geographical location from Signature Plastics it wouldn't be the cheapest option for everyone.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sun, 05 December 2010, 01:22:56
Maybe someone who lives closer to SP could receive the keycaps; pack them then ship them; while panda does the negotiating etc etc. Also less work on one individual besides :X

Any takers ?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: laden3 on Sun, 05 December 2010, 01:28:29
It is 11:30PM - 2:30AM in contiguous US, wait till tmr.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sun, 05 December 2010, 01:35:50
3:35 pm over here in Malaysia :X
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 05 December 2010, 02:21:55
i like cheeseburgers....
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: adamgoldberg on Sun, 05 December 2010, 07:10:53
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;257364
Maybe someone who lives closer to SP could receive the keycaps; pack them then ship them; while panda does the negotiating etc etc. Also less work on one individual besides :X

Any takers ?
I'll offer to do the shipping & receiving...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Sun, 05 December 2010, 09:27:14
Ok so question is.... Panda do you want to handle the negotiating process with SP and also decide what the keyset for this MO should be ???


Hm... adamgoldberg you have 15 posts :X hm.... no offense but i think most people would have been more comfortable leaving that step to a more senior member. But then again it's up for you guys to decide :}
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: adamgoldberg on Sun, 05 December 2010, 09:58:18
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;257500

Hm... adamgoldberg you have 15 posts :X hm.... no offense but i think most people would have been more comfortable leaving that step to a more senior member. But then again it's up for you guys to decide :}


Sure, it's up to you guys.  I'd like something interesting ... so I'm just offering to remove one necessary component to the group buy if no one else is stepping forward.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 05 December 2010, 10:19:59
ok imma take charge of our second round of replacements!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Sun, 05 December 2010, 10:33:29
I've already gotten some information from signature (most of which is posted in the thread somewhere), let me know if you have any questions, I'll try to help.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Sun, 05 December 2010, 10:40:04
w00t.  Props for taking charge.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: db_Iodine on Sun, 05 December 2010, 10:41:40
Quote from: panda-R;257541
ok imma take charge of our second round of replacements!


When are you planning on ordering? Still after the holidays I presume.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Sun, 05 December 2010, 10:48:04
Quote from: laden3;257355
person who is willing to spend his/her time in organizing this custom order should have the authority to decide what he/she wants.

Quote from: panda-R;257541
ok imma take charge of our second round of replacements!

Laser-etched non-filled PBT? :hail: :dance:
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: WhiteRice on Sun, 05 December 2010, 11:19:54
Quote from: ripster;257576
OK, here's a Problem for a Panda.

If everybody wants laser-etched non-filled PBT keys why buy from Signature Plastics?

Why not have a Chinese Geekhacker buy a bunch of KBC laser-etched non-filled PBT keys (they are dirt, dirt cheap) in CHINA-town and throw them in a box to send to Santa's Elves and Reindeer?  I'm sure we have trustworthy Chinese members.  I think.
If you guys pay for half of my ticket, I will fly to China and do this.

:)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Sun, 05 December 2010, 13:24:11
Quote from: ripster;257576
OK, here's a Problem for a Panda.

If everybody wants laser-etched non-filled PBT keys why buy from Signature Plastics?

Why not have a Chinese Geekhacker buy a bunch of KBC laser-etched non-filled PBT keys (they are dirt, dirt cheap) in CHINA-town and throw them in a box to send to Santa's Elves and Reindeer?  I'm sure we have trustworthy Chinese members.  I think.

And I'd like mine hand delivered because I've been a good boy all year.
Show Image
(http://moffling.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/zooey.jpg)


Does KBC make the long keys now?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: jaynoon on Sun, 05 December 2010, 13:47:27
Quote from: JLai;257633
Does KBC make the long keys now?


Pretty sure they do, if you search taobao for KBC 104 you'll definitely see some laser-etched "big keys"

I'm all for the KBC route, I prefer the profile to the SP ones.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 05 December 2010, 14:56:23
Quote from: db_Iodine;257554
When are you planning on ordering? Still after the holidays I presume.


i plan on ordering when we decide what we want.

and if people want the PBT laser filled stuff from china then i can do dat too
 
but let me get up to speed with the junk first. today is sunday, it's a pandas day off from thinking.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: laden3 on Sun, 05 December 2010, 15:06:46
If you are contacting the KBC guys aka imsto instead of taobao, please ask him about those dye-sub keycaps, KBC has the tools to make them too. They mentioned that it is pretty expensive, IDK how they define "expensive".
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Azuremen on Sun, 05 December 2010, 19:33:08
I'm down for PBT keys, laser etched or not.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Sun, 05 December 2010, 20:20:05
Signature can also do dye sub, which might be interesting for multi-color art (e.g. a full-color awesomeface key).
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: sairex on Mon, 06 December 2010, 01:00:45
still in for a new set of keys, but especially the laser etched ones because they look amazing!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Mon, 06 December 2010, 02:32:38
Quote from: Fwiffo;257803
Signature can also do dye sub, which might be interesting for multi-color art (e.g. a full-color awesomeface key).


more expensive option then 2 shot molded if im not mistaken
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Tue, 07 December 2010, 12:49:35
Bump.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 07 December 2010, 12:50:32
Quote from: JLai;258814
Bump.


thanks for the bump, here's a bump back!

but in all seriousness, i'm compiling all da information and reading this thread again to determine the next course of action.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: laden3 on Tue, 07 December 2010, 13:18:18
ligo told me that we can probably buy those PBT without infill in the US, but, we probably need to wait for a while. if it's convenient, please contact him to confirm that they r going to sell it in US... btw, I saw pictures of white PBT keycaps this morning =P
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Tue, 07 December 2010, 14:40:04
Quote from: laden3;258839
ligo told me that we can probably buy those PBT without infill in the US, but, we probably need to wait for a while.


Machete does not wait.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Zen on Tue, 07 December 2010, 14:51:28
I have absolutely NO f^%$£$£ idea where this project is going...
Therefore I will have to make a reservation regarding my intent to place a order .

Quote
Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!

And people are talking Otaku, laser-engraving,dye-sublimation, weird colours and what not ...
Get real and show some leadership !
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Tue, 07 December 2010, 14:54:44
this thread need to reduce the number option available, and get it going
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Supergleep on Tue, 07 December 2010, 14:59:22
Long time lurker, first time poster. I'm really disappointed that I missed WhiteRice's first round double-shots. Really like how they turned out.

Consider this my posted notification of intent to buy whatever gets decided on for this round, barring a truly heinous color-scheme choice. Very interested in getting a set of true double-shot keys for my 3 month old, and already much-loved, Filco.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: kidchunks on Tue, 07 December 2010, 15:06:04
Quote from: Supergleep;258967
Long time lurker, first time poster. I'm really disappointed that I missed WhiteRice's first round double-shots. Really like how they turned out.

Consider this my posted notification of intent to buy whatever gets decided on for this round, barring a truly heinous color-scheme choice. Very interested in getting a set of true double-shot keys for my 3 month old, and already much-loved, Filco.


Welcome to GeekHack!

You ain't the only one, I missed out too. Even on the GH esc keys :(

Hopefully this round gets started soon :D.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 07 December 2010, 15:34:04
Quote from: Zen;258947
I have absolutely NO f^%$£$£ idea where this project is going...
Therefore I will have to make a reservation regarding my intent to place a order .



And people are talking Otaku, laser-engraving,dye-sublimation, weird colours and what not ...
Get real and show some leadership !


dood relax,
imma taking charge from now on. we all know pandas are great project managers but first I need a payment of 50,000 tons of Bamboo shoots shipped via rail straight to my belly before I get working.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: RoboKrikit on Tue, 07 December 2010, 16:09:48
Quote from: Zen;258947
And people are talking Otaku, laser-engraving,dye-sublimation, weird colours and what not ...


People are talking about that stuff because what is being ordered is not yet set in stone, despite the original title.  The expectation for a while now has been that there would be no moving forward here until after the holidays, so people are just chiming in with their ideas.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Tue, 07 December 2010, 16:11:34
that is why we have to keep narrow it down all our idea. so this thread can move forward.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Tue, 07 December 2010, 20:37:41
Quote from: Zen;258947
I have absolutely NO f^%$£$£ idea where this project is going...
Therefore I will have to make a reservation regarding my intent to place a order .

And people are talking Otaku, laser-engraving,dye-sublimation, weird colours and what not ...
Get real and show some leadership !

No.  We demand you place an order before knowing what we decide to order. :der:

You make it seem like this whole project depends on YOUR order...don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, lol.

I do, however, agree that this process has been way too slow moving with lack of direction.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Tue, 07 December 2010, 21:02:04
Someone needs to take over leadership of the order. That person is ultimately going to make a decision and tell some people "Don't like it? Tough, because this is what we're doing". At that point, if enough interest can be garnered, the set order goes through.

I've considered doing it but the logistics aren't that fun...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Tue, 07 December 2010, 21:02:48
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;259246
Someone needs to take over leadership of the order. That person is ultimately going to make a decision and tell some people "Don't like it? Tough, because this is what we're doing". At that point, if enough interest can be garnered, the set order goes through.

I've considered doing it but the logistics aren't that fun...


+1 for this.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: squarebox on Tue, 07 December 2010, 21:04:28
I'm in as long as there's the "awesome-face key" unless the rest is pastel coloured keycaps.

We need multiple poll to fix this thread. e.g

Type:
- double-shot
- abs - dye-sublimated
- abs - lasered
- pbt - dye-sublimated (not sure if possible)
- pbt - lasered

Colours 1
- etc
- etc
- etc

Colours 2
- etc
- etc
- etc
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Tue, 07 December 2010, 21:08:40
I could run a survey to try to get some opinions on color schemes if people want. I don't have the Sig Plastics color wheel so somebody else would have to judge the feasibility of a proposed design.

The only shared hosting I have is for a client (can't get away with running survey software on their dime) and I have a free host that'll run it but it crumbles as soon as there are more than two people on the site (dreadfully slow). I can always pick the latter but it's not ideal if someone has the former and will volunteer it on a temporary basis.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Tue, 07 December 2010, 21:10:18
Quote from: fssbzz;259248
+1 for this.


It's the reason why when I proposed Sig Plastics double shots back in may that it fell through - I couldn't garner a consensus.

I couldn't get many people to line up for a plain design. Whatever comes through is unlikely to just be black & white.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Tue, 07 December 2010, 21:10:26
Quote from: squarebox;259250


- pbt - dye-sublimated (not sure if possible)




this is one of the option from SP.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: squarebox on Tue, 07 December 2010, 21:21:41
Quote from: fssbzz;259253
this is one of the option from SP.

This is great.
My vote goes to either double-shot or dye-sublimated pbt.
I didn't like the looks of lazer with infills...

People who want blanks, laser etched key can just buy from taobao...
I dont understand what's with the dicussion of making something that is already in the market...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 07 December 2010, 22:09:45
Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;259246
Someone needs to take over leadership of the order. That person is ultimately going to make a decision and tell some people "Don't like it? Tough, because this is what we're doing". At that point, if enough interest can be garnered, the set order goes through.

I've considered doing it but the logistics aren't that fun...


dood i volunteered already but it seems not everyone reads every post so like if you want to take it over then that's cool with me too!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 07 December 2010, 22:10:44
Quote from: squarebox;259259
This is great.
My vote goes to either double-shot or dye-sublimated pbt.
I didn't like the looks of lazer with infills...

People who want blanks, laser etched key can just buy from taobao...
I dont understand what's with the dicussion of making something that is already in the market...


the problem is buying from taobao for people that don't have some connection to china and those that are too cheap o pay the commission for the service of some.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Tue, 07 December 2010, 23:07:16
Quote from: panda-R;259286
the problem is buying from taobao for people that don't have some connection to china and those that are too cheap o pay the commission for the service of some.


x2
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: kidchunks on Tue, 07 December 2010, 23:22:57
I say who ever is going to do it. Start a new topic with spots saved for updates. Think there is enough opinions and information here to come up with what will be ordered. Lets get this thing rolling! :cool:
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: squarebox on Tue, 07 December 2010, 23:48:51
Quote from: JLai;259317
Quote from: panda-R;259286
the problem is buying from taobao for people that don't have some connection to china and those that are too cheap to pay the commission for the service of some.
x2

x3

but they are willing to pay over $50 for geekhack set, what gives...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: sixty on Tue, 07 December 2010, 23:50:13
Btw, prices for dye sub keys with signature plastics are about 4 times as much as double shot. Just saying.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: squarebox on Wed, 08 December 2010, 00:02:28
Quote from: sixty;259345
Btw, prices for dye sub keys with signature plastics are about 4 times as much as double shot. Just saying.


*faints*
back to square one... double-shots...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: laden3 on Wed, 08 December 2010, 00:05:50
Unicomp can sell keyboards with dye-sub keys for $69, cmon... whose dad is working for Unicomp?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Wed, 08 December 2010, 00:08:29
Quote from: sixty;259345
Btw, prices for dye sub keys with signature plastics are about 4 times as much as double shot. Just saying.

If that is the case, then abs doubleshots make more sense. It's more durable and clearer anyway :x Only question is, what font to use and how much will that cost ?

Or option 2; some sort of PBT laser etched bulk.


But if you ask me, doubleshots > pbt :p



What about this color scheme (not including the green because i hate that color)

(http://5k177.com/more/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/0-021.jpg)


So this time around uses a reverse color scheme from the previous black/dark grey tone; to a white/light grey tone scheme. Classic :D


Alternatively there is the plain look


(http://www.kbdmania.net/images/shop/purple/wh_total.jpg)

(http://www.kbdmania.net/images/shop/purple/blk_fj.jpg)


(http://www.kbdmania.net/images/shop/purple/blk_total.jpg)

(http://www.kbdmania.net/images/shop/purple/wh_fj.jpg)

http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1240381976


I prefer the white keycaps :D
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: laden3 on Wed, 08 December 2010, 00:44:16
double shots....instead of doing something colorful (since everyone has their preferred colors), why not try black keycaps with glow in dark legends?
or
ideally, we can gather members from other forums for the dye-sub PBT keycaps. Look at the durability of Model M keycaps, I am pretty sure there are more than 2 people who are interested in these...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: RoboKrikit on Wed, 08 December 2010, 02:01:18
The solid keycaps with glowing legends was brought up earlier and SP won't/can't do that.

Quote from: Fwiffo;249747
Some restrictions:

We will need a minimum of 50 participants. Otherwise it's not really affordable.

We don't have a choice of font [Arial], but we do have a choice of placement.

The keycaps must be ABS for the double-shot process. Blanks can be PBT or ABS. Glow-in-the-dark can't be used with the double-shot process. Double-shots can only have one color in the legend. Multi-colored legends require pad-printing or dye sub.

We're restricted in color choice by what Signature has in stock. They have a lot of colors, so it's probably not a problem, but we may be limited in certain parts of the spectrum or some more subtle shades.

Neither can they make the keycaps thicker.

Quote from: Fwiffo;246554
If anybody wants to drop the 60 grand to pay for the retooling costs for thicker keys, I'll talk to signature about it.

Custom legends are doable and dye sub is supposedly very pricey.

Quote from: sixty;232774
Custom legends for double shot keys are $15 or $20 at Signature Plastics for the tooling. I ordered and distributed the original first batch of the geekhack key earlier this year.

Double shot is actually the cheapest option signature plastic offers. As you see pad printing is more expensive and sublimation dye is out of the question.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Wed, 08 December 2010, 02:05:28
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;259354
Only question is, what font to use and how much will that cost ?
Downside to double-shot from SP
Quote from: Fwiffo;249747
The font will be the standard signature Arial style font because that's all that's available.
Quote from: Fwiffo;249747
We don't have a choice of font, but we do have a choice of placement.
...choice of font size too I believe.

Edit. Damn RoboKrikit, you got there first!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: laden3 on Wed, 08 December 2010, 04:55:01
Quote from: RoboKrikit;259408
The solid keycaps with glowing legends was brought up earlier and SP won't/can't do that.


That was Fwiffo's reply when I suggested that we try glow-in-dark keycaps with black legends, not black keycaps with glow-in-dark legends.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: SuperPunch on Wed, 08 December 2010, 07:28:36
WOW! Those are amazing! I can't believe i missed that last order. (That's what you get when you only lurk once in a while)

I would be interested in a classy set of double shots.  I'm purchasing a g80-3494 soon and would love to fit it with nicer caps.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Fwiffo on Wed, 08 December 2010, 09:23:21
My understanding is that glow in the dark can't be used for either part of the double-shot. And the glow-in-the-dark isn't very bright; I don't think they'd actually be legible in a dark room if there's any other source of light (e.g. your monitor, keyboard lights, a crack under the door...)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: ricercar on Wed, 08 December 2010, 10:31:05
Quote from: SuperPunch;259485
I would be interested in a classy set of double shots.


I'll take the classless set of double shots. Power to the people.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: laden3 on Wed, 08 December 2010, 16:13:34
If I am not mistaken, no one here mentioned about ordering them from clickclack... probably can get them at a reasonable price without skulls
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 09 December 2010, 08:57:31
Hei i was reading the keyboard pron site when i saw this.

Quote
Cherry Red ESC Keycap

These were originally made in very limited numbers for the "Teamwork" progamer keyboard designed by the Chinese wNv e-sports team and produced by Cherry.

The ESC key uses the same thick plastic and design as any of the vintage Cherry Corp. keycaps. This one is from a special order in 2010 and probably one of the very last double shot keys Cherry Corp. ever produced.

Obviously, these are very hard to find and I am very grateful to the person who made it possible for me to get my hands on one of these. Thanks a lot!


(http://keyboardporn.com/files/gimgs/th-28_cherryredesc1.jpg)

(http://keyboardporn.com/files/gimgs/28_cherryredesc2.jpg)

http://keyboardporn.com/keycaps/cherry-red-esc/


So forget the font for a second, and check out the thickness of the key. How the hell did they create an MO for that ??? and this the poster said was in 2010 !!! so wouldn't it be possible to make an mo for a 104 set with those key caps ??!??!?! :D

That would be friggin sweet.


Panda could you check with Cherry if they would be willing ?? I think this might be well worth exploring :D


The cherry doubleshot would then look like this

Quote
Cherry G80-1800 HFU
Cherry MX Blue, Double-Injection Molded Keycaps, 1996


(http://keyboardporn.com/files/gimgs/12_ascii2.jpg)

(http://keyboardporn.com/files/gimgs/12_ascii3.jpg)






For comparison; a dye sublimated colored keyset would look like this. But at 4 times the cost of doubleshots; i don't think it's a good idea.

(http://keyboardporn.com/files/gimgs/20_tipro1.jpg)

http://keyboardporn.com/mx-switch/tipro-one-handed-keyboard/



Anyway for custom escape Leopold is selling an escaping man doubleshot in 2 different colors.

(http://www.leopold.co.kr/data/cheditor/1007/yellow_exit_copy.jpg)

http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1280121621



(http://leopold.co.kr/data/item/1280121544_ma)

http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1280121544
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 09 December 2010, 09:56:44
Moogle as exciting as the Cherry Corp Double Shots are, I think it might be near impossible for them to make such a small batch of caps for enthusiasts when they have a hard enough time marketing their mainstream boards in north america where most of our users are. To be honest I think the SP caps are pretty good for what they are and how much we pay for them.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Thu, 09 December 2010, 09:58:31
Oh and from what I know, the Red Cherry caps were made for the WNV limited edition release of the G80-1863 in CHINA-town.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 09 December 2010, 10:00:55
Quote from: panda-R;260155
Oh and from what I know, the Red Cherry caps were made for the WNV limited edition release of the G80-1863 in CHINA-town.


Oh so they made it with the keyboard .... i didn't know that. I thought it was just the keys only (although people keep telling me cherry corp never makes keys alone)

There goes that dream :X
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 09 December 2010, 22:54:30
Squarebox spotted cherry g80-3000 doubleshots being sold separately

(http://www.inpad.com.tw/UserFile/image/0019/CHERRY-104-2-04.jpg)

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.inpad.com.tw/goods.php%3Fact%3Dview%26no%3D2527&rurl=translate.google.com.my&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhgzxRCeH0_OTTYNoZVO-yi3Yq2urg


Only issue i can think of is the spacebar may not be compatible with say a Filco because the crosspoint for spacebar is slightly off center.


The capslock too but i could be wrong on that.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: laden3 on Thu, 09 December 2010, 23:04:54
they are still made of ABS
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 09 December 2010, 23:07:37
there still double shot PBT option yet.. i don see anyone make that yet or KBC either.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 09 December 2010, 23:09:32
Quote from: fssbzz;260467
there still double shot PBT option yet.. i don see anyone make that yet or KBC either.

I thought doubleshot and pbt were not compatible together :/


Anyway after more research; seems the stabilizer keys aren't compatible with a Filco/Ducky. This is why someone who has these cherry ds is trying to trade for the Geekhack Double shot set.

The cherry ds looks good just too bad their not fully compatible.


UNLESS! we change this MO to make it specifically for the keys that the cherry ds do not support.

But i guess the problem with that is the inconsistency of the font :/ hm ....
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 09 December 2010, 23:11:26
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;260469
I thought doubleshot and pbt were not compatible together :/


that's from SP, they said they cant do that. maybe they don't have the machines can do that?
we still don't know the PBT will work if 2 shot molded.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Thu, 09 December 2010, 23:15:08
Quote from: fssbzz;260470
that's from SP, they said they cant do that. maybe they don't have the machines can do that?
we still don't know the PBT will work if 2 shot molded.


ah i see. :peep:
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: laden3 on Fri, 10 December 2010, 00:20:00
still waiting for the guy in charge to ask whether Unicomp can do dye-sub for us (some of us...)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Azuremen on Sun, 12 December 2010, 17:22:47
So had this plan died out, or is Panda just getting info for us at the moment?

Still interested in getting something, at some point :p
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: WhiteRice on Sun, 12 December 2010, 18:52:03
(http://d3uwin5q170wpc.cloudfront.net/photo/57451_460.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 12 December 2010, 19:44:31
Quote from: Azuremen;261872
So had this plan died out, or is Panda just getting info for us at the moment?

Still interested in getting something, at some point :p


lulz i'm still here, i was also thinking about it at some point. Lets not rush this unless someone wants to rush it.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 12 December 2010, 23:51:15
Quote from: ripster;261941
Pandas never rush.  I've seen them at the zoo.


Rushing usually leads to bad decisions, not rushing usually also leads to bad decisions. Best thing to do is wait for the bamboo.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Parak on Mon, 13 December 2010, 00:12:42
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Hofy on Mon, 13 December 2010, 14:05:46
My vote is for black caps with bright red lettering.  Options being WASD cluster in Red with black lettering.  Gaming keys worth thinking about for me anyway would be for Diablo (II & III)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Sam on Mon, 13 December 2010, 15:47:29
Quote from: Parak;262067


Did you see what that panda did to the keyboard - bashing in on the edge of the desk and the keys flying off?  Bad panda, bad!!!  Hope it was rubber dome.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Mon, 13 December 2010, 16:41:58
So, are pandas double shot, or are they dye sublimated? Clearly they're not Otaku, otherwise they'd be polar bears.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: armenws on Mon, 13 December 2010, 20:43:13
I like a grey typewriter look. Please count me in on the next batch of customs whatever it is!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: kidchunks on Mon, 13 December 2010, 21:06:12
rude ass panda!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: HungryPillow on Mon, 13 December 2010, 22:05:55
I'm in as well, bought a Filco just for this!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: db_Iodine on Tue, 14 December 2010, 06:46:32
Quote from: HungryPillow;262655
I'm in as well, bought a Filco just for this!


That was your only reason for buying a Filco?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 14 December 2010, 07:53:06
Quote from: db_Iodine;262741
That was your only reason for buying a Filco?


This is Geekhack, y'know.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: HungryPillow on Tue, 14 December 2010, 08:45:07
Quote from: db_Iodine;262741
That was your only reason for buying a Filco?


It wasn't really the "only" reason but it helped to push me over the edge. I've got a 87U already and I've always wanted to to try some Cherry switches.

I'm a sucker for customizing stuff...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: keyboardlover on Tue, 14 December 2010, 09:49:29
Quote from: ripster;262790
I like KL.  He bought the keys without having a Cherry MX keyboard.

WTF?


Lol...well I figured I would either buy one or sell them depending on how I liked them/what was available. Ended up selling them tho. According to my rep points, I have a little shameless behaviour in the past ;)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Crypt on Tue, 14 December 2010, 09:54:50
Are PBT keys much better at not getting glossy?  Glossy keys feel gross.  :(
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: pipedream on Tue, 14 December 2010, 10:29:49
I don't get why it's so popular to get different styled keys for the WASD cluster. In my opinion it looks like crap. I tried it with the Round 1 replacement keycaps, and I quickly removed the orange WASD keys because it looked tacky.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 14 December 2010, 10:34:19
Quote from: pipedream;262841
I don't get why it's so popular to get different styled keys for the WASD cluster. In my opinion it looks like crap. I tried it with the Round 1 replacement keycaps, and I quickly removed the orange WASD keys because it looked tacky.


i don't get why it's so popular to use different styled keyboards than the plain jane model M. I think black keyboards look tacky.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: woody on Tue, 14 December 2010, 10:56:36
Quote from: panda-R;262846
I think black keyboards look tacky.

They do.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 14 December 2010, 17:50:06
Quote from: pipedream;262841
I don't get why it's so popular to get different styled keys for the WASD cluster. In my opinion it looks like crap. I tried it with the Round 1 replacement keycaps, and I quickly removed the orange WASD keys because it looked tacky.


If your a gamer, wasd are the movement keys usually. As such i appreciate the highlights so i know i am pressing the right keys in a game at a glance.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: kidchunks on Tue, 14 December 2010, 19:43:19
Quote from: panda-R;262846
i don't get why it's so popular to use different styled keyboards than the plain jane model M. I think black keyboards look tacky.


hah! So that is why you sold the tenkeyless!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: theferenc on Tue, 14 December 2010, 21:07:23
Is it still possible to get in this order? I doubt it, but I thought I would ask anyway.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: kidchunks on Tue, 14 December 2010, 21:12:45
Quote from: theferenc;263253
Is it still possible to get in this order? I doubt it, but I thought I would ask anyway.


Orders haven't started yet :frown:
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: keyboardlover on Tue, 14 December 2010, 21:25:18
I predict that by the time orders start, Moogle will get his ducky.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: theferenc on Tue, 14 December 2010, 21:35:26
I guess now I have to go through the whole thread and look at proposals.

Or will there be another poll on just the "top" choices?

At this rate, even I will have a cherry board to play with.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 14 December 2010, 22:01:57
I have to lulz again...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: RoboKrikit on Tue, 14 December 2010, 22:49:30
I can get on board if we do rainbow glow-in-the-dark extra-thick doubleshot trollface keys from SP.  Unicomp can dye-sub the fronts of the keys for us.

Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 14 December 2010, 23:36:43
as long as awesome is not like ceiling cat because I like my privacy when watching panda pr0n.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Y7wQjK_RhzQ/THUjEYFDJtI/AAAAAAAADbs/7Lra0XLJE_M/s1600/ceiling_cat1.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Sam on Wed, 15 December 2010, 02:01:53
Quote from: theferenc;263253
Is it still possible to get in this order? I doubt it, but I thought I would ask anyway.
I think there will be a fair number of people who won't bother unless someone can take charge of making a thread and keeping it organized by posting updates in the first post of the thread like WhiteRice did for the first order.  I simply cannot be bothered to read through hundreds of posts to try to figure out what the status is.

In short, if there isn't someone with some organizational skills in charge, forget it.  Even if it happened to be something I wanted, I wouldn't even take a chance if nobody's clearly in charge for fear the order also would get severely messed up.

Maybe the thing to do would be if someone's really interested, start a new thread for round three and do it right, and leave everyone guessing what round two was.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Wed, 15 December 2010, 02:03:50
I know that the thread title says "double shot" but while things are still in the ideas stage...

How about white PBT caps so that we can dye them in whatever colour scheme we like?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: bojinglebells on Wed, 15 December 2010, 02:53:21
(http://oi53.tinypic.com/16idv95.jpg)

I'd absolutely love a set like this for my G80-3494 ;)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: db_Iodine on Wed, 15 December 2010, 06:31:18
Quote from: bojinglebells;263357
I'd absolutely love a set like this for my G80-3494 ;)


Let me be the first one to welcome you to Geekhack!

That set does look good to me too. Has Panda-r made any decisions on what the set will be like?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Hofy on Wed, 15 December 2010, 07:04:22
Quote from: bojinglebells;263357
Show Image
(http://oi53.tinypic.com/16idv95.jpg)


I'd absolutely love a set like this for my G80-3494 ;)


Welcome to Geekhack and thanks for providing a visual.  This is exactly what I requested too!  I would buy 2 sets.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 15 December 2010, 09:59:36
Quote from: db_Iodine;263390
Let me be the first one to welcome you to Geekhack!

That set does look good to me too. Has Panda-r made any decisions on what the set will be like?


I've made the decision not to listen to what everyone wants because as we all know it human society can never collectively come to single decision. Panda's on the other hand all just strive for one thing, no it's not panda sex, it's bamboo.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: db_Iodine on Wed, 15 December 2010, 10:12:42
Quote from: panda-R;263468
I've made the decision not to listen to what everyone wants because as we all know it human society can never collectively come to single decision. Panda's on the other hand all just strive for one thing, no it's not panda sex, it's bamboo.


So just choose the style and coloring so we can get the double shot party started.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: RoboKrikit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 11:18:13
Quote from: panda-R;263468
I've made the decision not to listen to what everyone wants because as we all know it human society can never collectively come to single decision. Panda's on the other hand all just strive for one thing, no it's not panda sex, it's bamboo.


I can get on board if the keys are lasered non-filled bamboo with Panda OS keys.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 15 December 2010, 14:49:32
Quote from: RoboKrikit;263514
I can get on board if the keys are lasered non-filled bamboo with Panda OS keys.


LULZ

too bad i'm out now that someone is wanting to do a round 3.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: db_Iodine on Wed, 15 December 2010, 15:46:02
I'd still be in for round two if it was some cool color keys, instead of those boring dolce keys with the big ass lettering in the middle.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Wed, 15 December 2010, 15:53:39
Quote from: db_Iodine;263617
I'd still be in for round two if it was some cool color keys, instead of those boring dolce keys with the big ass lettering in the middle.


db_iodine, lulz ok well i'll think of something for u sweetie.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: RoboKrikit on Wed, 15 December 2010, 15:59:04
Quote from: db_Iodine;263617
I'd still be in for round two if it was some cool color keys, instead of those boring dolce keys with the big ass lettering in the middle.

I like my big ass-lettering.

(http://i.imgur.com/zTJbhl.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Wed, 15 December 2010, 16:02:06
Quote from: RoboKrikit;263625
I like my big ass-lettering.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/zTJbh.jpg)


im in, as long as is not the big ass ugly middle legend like the one above. lol
:lalala:
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Azuremen on Wed, 15 December 2010, 18:40:59
Quote from: fssbzz;263626
im in, as long as is not the big ass ugly middle legend like the one above. lol
:lalala:


I'm with this guy. I am opting out of the Round Three buy because, well, it is fairly damn ugly and won't work how I'd like on a Filco...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Wed, 15 December 2010, 21:20:59
How close are these to Leopold keys? Obviously the keys with stabilizers wouldn't work, since Leo uses Cherry corp stabilizers, but what are the key profiles like?

I foresee a large market for Leopold caps in, oh, February or so.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: db_Iodine on Thu, 16 December 2010, 02:59:56
Quote from: Mr. Perfect;263776
How close are these to Leopold keys? Obviously the keys with stabilizers wouldn't work, since Leo uses Cherry corp stabilizers, but what are the key profiles like?

I foresee a large market for Leopold caps in, oh, February or so.


I swapped my Das blanks to my Ducky and had no problems changing the stabilizers. Das uses the same stabilizers as Filco and Ducky uses Cherry stabilizers. I think you can do the same with Leopold.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: sixty on Thu, 16 December 2010, 03:25:01
Quote from: db_Iodine;263871
I swapped my Das blanks to my Ducky and had no problems changing the stabilizers. Das uses the same stabilizers as Filco and Ducky uses Cherry stabilizers. I think you can do the same with Leopold.


Thats right. Most people get confused about stabilizers, despite there being a detailed article by ripster on this in the wiki.

The keycaps are all the same for bigger keys, based on 3 cross stems. One for the switch, two for the stabilizer. Now the difference is that the Filco boards have a little plastic part to go into two of the cross stems, while Cherry style stabilizers keep that part on the PCB/Plate. Anyway, you can plug out that part from the original keys and simply plug it into the Cherry corp keys and it will work fine.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: lowpoly on Thu, 16 December 2010, 15:55:20
Quote from: sixty;263875
Thats right. Most people get confused about stabilizers, despite there being a detailed article by ripster on this in the wiki.

Can't find it. Do you have a link?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: nocturn4l3030 on Sun, 19 December 2010, 09:39:01
Quote from: Sam;263349
I think there will be a fair number of people who won't bother unless someone can take charge of making a thread and keeping it organized by posting updates in the first post of the thread like WhiteRice did for the first order.  I simply cannot be bothered to read through hundreds of posts to try to figure out what the status is.

In short, if there isn't someone with some organizational skills in charge, forget it.  Even if it happened to be something I wanted, I wouldn't even take a chance if nobody's clearly in charge for fear the order also would get severely messed up.

Maybe the thing to do would be if someone's really interested, start a new thread for round three and do it right, and leave everyone guessing what round two was.


this is my problem right now.. i think i'm interested but i'm kinda lost as to what exactly i'll be getting as far as colors and fonts (or it the same as the first round?) etc.. dont feel like searchin 50 pages =[
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: sixty on Sun, 19 December 2010, 10:26:15
Quote from: ripster
Sixty - what kind does the Leopold use and will the Signature plastic spacebar be compatible?  They fit Filcos and Cherry but don't know about Leopold (I would think so but just to make sure).


Not at all. Will be hard to make it compatible in the same batch too. I took this pic for 7bit yesterday, its not good but not much I can do about it, can't retake pics here since I'm not at home.

(http://imgur.com/QPRIO.jpg)

Will take another proper one with tripod and the good camera eventually tonight, post on monday.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: 7bit on Sun, 19 December 2010, 10:26:50
Quote from: nocturn4l3030;265684

Quote from: Sam

I think there will be a fair number of people who won't bother unless someone can take charge of making a thread and keeping it organized by posting updates in the first post of the thread like WhiteRice did for the first order. I simply cannot be bothered to read through hundreds of posts to try to figure out what the status is.

In short, if there isn't someone with some organizational skills in charge, forget it. Even if it happened to be something I wanted, I wouldn't even take a chance if nobody's clearly in charge for fear the order also would get severely messed up.

Maybe the thing to do would be if someone's really interested, start a new thread for round three and do it right, and leave everyone guessing what round two was.



this is my problem right now.. i think i'm interested but i'm kinda lost as to what exactly i'll be getting as far as colors and fonts (or it the same as the first round?) etc.. dont feel like searchin 50 pages =[


I read this message too. I planned on that Round 3 before, but this message made me jump in at once[1], because I didn't want anybody else to come up with another round with which I wouldn't be pleased again. Also I did not want to have the sets and add-ons to tight, without room for special keys.

As for Round TWO, there must be someone who actualy reads all 50 pages through and collects all those wishes. Who throws out all crap or things which are impossible and forms a basic set of key caps in one color-scheme with one font and one placement-style.

Then, additional features, layouts etc., must be worked in according to everyones wishes.

Wishes, which could be fulfilled, will be included in either the main or an additional set, and wishes which stick out too much or, are technical impossible, or don't find anybody else who want them, must be denied.

If in doubt, set up a poll. If there are only a few who want that whish being fulfilled, then tell them the price (eg. $1000 for a single key, one piece only) and you don't need any arguments against that anymore.

I can't help out in Round TWO right now, but once Round TREE is finished (ie order went out to SP) I can set up something similar as I do now.

However, decision for the general direction of Ropund TWO should be done by those who want something entirely different from Round ONE.

----------------
[1] That's the reason why I'm so much far behind with the layouts.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: nocturn4l3030 on Sun, 19 December 2010, 11:31:56
seems like round two won't even go through -.- guess i'll hang out in the round 3 thread and let this one die
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: 7bit on Sun, 19 December 2010, 12:23:01
Quote from: nocturn4l3030;265742
seems like round two won't even go through -.- guess i'll hang out in the round 3 thread and let this one die


That was not my intention. By the way, wasn't Panda supposed to take the lead in Round 2?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Sun, 19 December 2010, 14:01:41
With all the bamboo they have to eat there's no time to do anything else!
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: nocturn4l3030 on Sun, 19 December 2010, 14:14:12
those are pretty cool keys Twitchy, did you just paint them yourself? got any other pictures? (if that's you're board)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Sun, 19 December 2010, 14:18:39
Unfortunately not, they're just a photoshop job. I do dream of orange keys though :)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: 7bit on Sun, 19 December 2010, 14:32:40
Quote from: Twitchy;265802
Unfortunately not, they're just a photoshop job. I do dream of orange keys though :)


Dream could be fulfilled, if you like the orange of round 1. It should be possible do do a full set of blanks in the same color in one batch with the gamer keys.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Sun, 19 December 2010, 14:44:11
Ah, if only. Might be a bit "pimpmobile" for some though:bolt:

Edit: At some point earlier in this thread I did wonder out loud about blank key caps in white PBT. Apparently PBT is the best plastic for dyeing so people could choose their own colours
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Tue, 28 December 2010, 21:38:36
We still doing this?  Round three is just another copy of the ones in round one from what I understand...Not a fan of those.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: JLai on Fri, 31 December 2010, 11:14:27
**sigh**

Guess pandas are bad project managers after all...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: 7bit on Fri, 31 December 2010, 11:26:21
Quote from: JLai;270110
We still doing this?  Round three is just another copy of the ones in round one from what I understand...Not a fan of those.


If no one takes action, Round 2 will die, I'm afraid.

Round 1 & 3 came up with someone throwing out a basic set of keys. Round 2 was too lose, without any fixed points, except it should be different from Round 1.

If you want something different from Round 3, then think about what you want, check prices, and set up a poll for it. Don't wait for Pondering Panda's end of winter hibernation.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 31 December 2010, 12:57:45
Quote from: Twitchy;265810
At some point earlier in this thread I did wonder out loud about blank key caps in white PBT. Apparently PBT is the best plastic for dyeing so people could choose their own colours

I would be interested in two ISO sets of high-quality dyeable blank key caps.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Sun, 30 January 2011, 01:03:43
Is this pretty much dead?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: fssbzz on Sun, 30 January 2011, 01:44:26
dead because
(http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa226/njkol80/panda.jpg)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Minskleip on Mon, 31 January 2011, 19:11:55
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: jaynoon on Thu, 03 February 2011, 01:07:16
At this point if somebody is going to do a new order, they're better off calling it Round 4. This round is all worn out :(
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: panda-R on Tue, 15 February 2011, 23:46:28
This round is dead because i'm dead, but apparently there has been interest of me being undead to finish this one last task then back to being dead.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Wed, 16 February 2011, 00:43:40
Panda hunting season :X ???

Nah it's all cool. I don't think about would blame you Panda :X
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Kacee on Tue, 08 March 2011, 06:39:48
Uhm... can someone please link me to the color samples picture, can't seem to find it zzz...
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Akachei on Tue, 15 March 2011, 19:13:04
(New here, Lurked for a While).

I know this thread is pretty much dead, but I did like some of the ideas for color schemes so I went through  and figured I'd narrow it down to what I think could work with the colors from the sample ring image earlier, and pulled what I thought was the most likely color from the sample ring.  I don't really have much in the way of photoshop or modeling skills, so I couldn't make the keyboard models like earlier in the thread; instead I made color sample blocks.

If anyone is still interested, we could decide on a set and then go from there.

Blue On Black (Bright, Normal)
(http://img.foxcet.com/gh/BlueOnBlack.png)

Purple or Red On Black
(http://img.foxcet.com/gh/PurpleRedOnBlack.png)

Red on Black/Brown
(http://img.foxcet.com/gh/RedBlackBrown.png)

Black or White on Green
(http://img.foxcet.com/gh/BlackOrWhiteOnGreen.png)

Black On Yellow
(http://img.foxcet.com/gh/BlackOnYellow.png)

White On Blue Gradients
(http://img.foxcet.com/gh/WhiteOnBlueGradient.png)

Nintendo-Based Scheme
(http://img.foxcet.com/gh/NintendoSchemes.png)

Laser Etched, No Infill

Non-Color Related Suggested Stuff:
Full set of keys in scheme above.
Special Esc, WASD[EF?] separate set (ESC/WASDEF same colors)
Font: Standard (No Choice)
Placement/Size: Smaller, Left-Aligned, Alpha Keys in Top Corner (ala Filco, but not Italic), assuming Signature can handle which I think they can.

May need to vote:
DCS or SA (PDF Links): DCS (http://keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/DCSFamily.pdf) (Slightly Lower Profile than Filco) or SA (http://keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf) (Thicker, Taller)
Special Starcraft Keys (Basic Movement Orders).  Dunno who else is interested in these, and I'm not sure what row height we'd use given different key setups, but I think we could come up with something:
(http://img.foxcet.com/gh/AttackSmall.png)(http://img.foxcet.com/gh/HoldSmall.png)(http://img.foxcet.com/gh/MoveSmall.png)(http://img.foxcet.com/gh/PatrolSmall.png)(http://img.foxcet.com/gh/StopSmall.png)
SVG for SC Keys (http://img.foxcet.com/gh/SC\ SVG.zip) (zip).  Based on a 10mm by 10mm size for the SVG files in the zip, they should pass all the custom decal requirements mentioned in that other thread (minimum width, distance, etc) which is why I changed a couple of proportions.


Other Keys:
Most of the keys that could work (Awesomeface/Trollface/Escapeman) seem to be covered in Round 3.  Nintendo Question Mark box sounded nice but you I don't think you can really make it work without tripleshot because of the shadow - I wasn't really happy with what I could come up with.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Akachei on Tue, 15 March 2011, 19:15:41
I also pulled together links to the useful posts I could find. If someone wants to work in one of these in addition to or instead of the blocks I made up, here's a reference.

Color Samples for Reference, if anyone has any suggestions they prefer:
ABS Laid Out (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=251412&postcount=493)
---
Checking Color Sample:
Blue on Black, Awesome Yellow (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=250406&postcount=420) (Fwiffo)
White on Red, Black on Dk Grey, Black on Light Grey (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=251654&postcount=504) Nintendo Suggestion (not the color samples I used, maybe another option)
Blue on Black, WASD/Esc Inverted (BFR, BO, BFN, BFP, BDH) (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=251784&postcount=511) (Bakageta, Mr. Perfect)
White or Black on Green, Orange, or Light Blue (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=252902&postcount=525) (Twitchy)

Sans Color Sample:
Black on Yellow (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=245695&postcount=55)
Black on Green, Bumbleeebee, Red/Black Abstract (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246125&postcount=86) (celery)
White on Vivid Blue (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246504&postcount=105)
Vintage Blue and Red (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246515&postcount=108)
Black on Black (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246731&postcount=120) (Likely no good for Doubleshot)
Green on Black (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246916&postcount=136)
Bright Blue on Black (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247009&postcount=146)
Purple or Pink on Black (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247052&postcount=157)
Purple/Blue Fade (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247059&postcount=159) (Fwiffo)
Red on Black (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247568&postcount=216) (Fwiffo)
Blue/Grey/Black Gradient (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247784&postcount=255)
Blue Gradient w/ White Lettering (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247968&postcount=259)
Nintendo Color Schemes; Business-ish Schemes, Black on Blue Gradient (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247992&postcount=262)
Colors on Black (Red, Pink, Yellow, Teal, Dark Blue, Pink, Red, green, grey) (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=248221&postcount=295)
Grey or Red on Black w/ White WASD, Green on (Grey Mod, Black Alpha) (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=248518&postcount=311)
Red, Beige, or BlueGrey on Black (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=250058&postcount=411) Nadger
Orange on Black (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=249996&postcount=407) (Nadger)
Funky (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=250832&postcount=452)
Grey on Black; WASD Red on White (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=252896&postcount=524) (Regles)
White/Light Grey or Plain (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=259354&postcount=663) (Moogle Stilltzkin)

Other:
Laser Etched PBT, No Infill (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=253546&postcount=542) (Ripster)
Muticolor Blanks (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247599&postcount=223) (Twitchy)
Blank/Otaku Keys (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247597&postcount=222) (johnnysasaki)
Orange Blanks (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246768&postcount=125)
Multicolor Keycaps (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246744&postcount=121)
Transulcent (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246163&postcount=93) (ripster)

Special Keys:
Awesome Face (Black/White/Yellow 2-color combos) (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=250661&postcount=438) (Twitchy)
Question Mark Box (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247652&postcount=240) (johnnysasaki)
Media/Control/Command Keys (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247554&postcount=212) (TheSoulHunter)
TrollFace Key (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=245894&postcount=73) (fwiffo) (Also Here (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=245876&postcount=71))

Suggestions (No Mockups/Keyboard Images):
Flourcescent on Turquoise/Grey (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=249861&postcount=403) (jaynoon)
Black Caps, Red Lettering, Diablo Gaming Keys (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=262424&postcount=691) (Hofy)
White PBT Caps (To Dye) (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=263351&postcount=720) (Twitchy)
Red Escape on Nintendo Theme (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=249906&postcount=405) (jaynoon)
Multicolor Blanks (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=249752&postcount=394) (blue6249)
Green on Black, Terminal Font (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247722&postcount=249) (TheSoulHunter)
Grey on Black (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247597&postcount=222) (johnnysasaki)

Samples:
ABS Laid Out (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=251412&postcount=493) (fssbzz)
ABS Circled (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=251133&postcount=457)
ABS Notes (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=249830&postcount=401)
Sample Ring Pic (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=248811&postcount=337) (sixty)

Other Relevant Posts:
DCS/SA Notes (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=248146&postcount=285) (Fwiffo)
ToDo Steps (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=257346&postcount=606)
Some Notes (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=249747&postcount=393) (Fwiffo)
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Special Keys
AwesomeFace Key (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=250661&postcount=438) (Twitchy)
TrollFace Key (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=245894&postcount=73) (fwiffo) (Also Here (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=245876&postcount=71))
Question Mark Box (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247652&postcount=240) (johnnysasaki)
Escape Man Key (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=252477&postcount=519) (Mr. Perfect)
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: wuzle on Tue, 15 March 2011, 20:29:34
Nice work organizing all of this. I love the exploration of color schemes that occured in Round Two. It would be cool to find some new looks beyond the color scheme of Round 1/3, and this goes a long way of putting it all in one place. Maybe it would be worth putting up a poll? Or is it too early?
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: digitalleftovers on Tue, 15 March 2011, 20:37:53
Quote from: wuzle;312405
Nice work organizing all of this. I love the exploration of color schemes that occured in Round Two. It would be cool to find some new looks beyond the color scheme of Round 1/3, and this goes a long way of putting it all in one place. Maybe it would be worth putting up a poll? Or is it too early?

Poll or no poll, it needs a new thread.  Its too confusing to put all that info here since there are enough people confused about how to order for the current Round 3.

If I were you (@Akachei) I would create a pre-Round 4 interest thread in keyboards (because it wouldn't actually be a group buy yet).  This may actually take some pressure off submissions to Round 3.  I'm not an admin so its not my call, so thats just my 2 cents.  I love the ideas, though.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: Twitchy on Thu, 17 March 2011, 11:21:15
Perhaps in the Modifications or Pictures sub threads? I can see good reasons for either.

Edit: and not just as a collection of ideas for round four but as an area for the discussion of ideas about custom keysets generally.
Title: Double shot replacements ROUND TWO!
Post by: 7bit on Sun, 03 April 2011, 09:53:55
Quote from: Akachei;312377
I also pulled together links to the useful posts I could find. If someone wants to work in one of these in addition to or instead of the blocks I made up, here's a reference.

Color Samples for Reference, if anyone has any suggestions they prefer:
ABS Laid Out (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=251412&postcount=493)
---
Checking Color Sample:
Blue on Black, Awesome Yellow (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=250406&postcount=420) (Fwiffo)
White on Red, Black on Dk Grey, Black on Light Grey (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=251654&postcount=504) Nintendo Suggestion (not the color samples I used, maybe another option)
Blue on Black, WASD/Esc Inverted (BFR, BO, BFN, BFP, BDH) (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=251784&postcount=511) (Bakageta, Mr. Perfect)
White or Black on Green, Orange, or Light Blue (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=252902&postcount=525) (Twitchy)

Sans Color Sample:
Black on Yellow (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=245695&postcount=55)
Black on Green, Bumbleeebee, Red/Black Abstract (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246125&postcount=86) (celery)
White on Vivid Blue (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246504&postcount=105)
Vintage Blue and Red (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246515&postcount=108)
Black on Black (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246731&postcount=120) (Likely no good for Doubleshot)
Green on Black (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246916&postcount=136)
Bright Blue on Black (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247009&postcount=146)
Purple or Pink on Black (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247052&postcount=157)
Purple/Blue Fade (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247059&postcount=159) (Fwiffo)
Red on Black (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247568&postcount=216) (Fwiffo)
Blue/Grey/Black Gradient (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247784&postcount=255)
Blue Gradient w/ White Lettering (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247968&postcount=259)
Nintendo Color Schemes; Business-ish Schemes, Black on Blue Gradient (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247992&postcount=262)
Colors on Black (Red, Pink, Yellow, Teal, Dark Blue, Pink, Red, green, grey) (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=248221&postcount=295)
Grey or Red on Black w/ White WASD, Green on (Grey Mod, Black Alpha) (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=248518&postcount=311)
Red, Beige, or BlueGrey on Black (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=250058&postcount=411) Nadger
Orange on Black (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=249996&postcount=407) (Nadger)
Funky (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=250832&postcount=452)
Grey on Black; WASD Red on White (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=252896&postcount=524) (Regles)
White/Light Grey or Plain (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=259354&postcount=663) (Moogle Stilltzkin)

Other:
Laser Etched PBT, No Infill (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=253546&postcount=542) (Ripster)
Muticolor Blanks (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247599&postcount=223) (Twitchy)
Blank/Otaku Keys (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247597&postcount=222) (johnnysasaki)
Orange Blanks (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246768&postcount=125)
Multicolor Keycaps (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246744&postcount=121)
Transulcent (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=246163&postcount=93) (ripster)

Special Keys:
Awesome Face (Black/White/Yellow 2-color combos) (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=250661&postcount=438) (Twitchy)
Question Mark Box (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247652&postcount=240) (johnnysasaki)
Media/Control/Command Keys (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247554&postcount=212) (TheSoulHunter)
TrollFace Key (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=245894&postcount=73) (fwiffo) (Also Here (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=245876&postcount=71))

Suggestions (No Mockups/Keyboard Images):
Flourcescent on Turquoise/Grey (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=249861&postcount=403) (jaynoon)
Black Caps, Red Lettering, Diablo Gaming Keys (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=262424&postcount=691) (Hofy)
White PBT Caps (To Dye) (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=263351&postcount=720) (Twitchy)
Red Escape on Nintendo Theme (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=249906&postcount=405) (jaynoon)
Multicolor Blanks (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=249752&postcount=394) (blue6249)
Green on Black, Terminal Font (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247722&postcount=249) (TheSoulHunter)
Grey on Black (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247597&postcount=222) (johnnysasaki)

Samples:
ABS Laid Out (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=251412&postcount=493) (fssbzz)
ABS Circled (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=251133&postcount=457)
ABS Notes (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=249830&postcount=401)
Sample Ring Pic (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=248811&postcount=337) (sixty)

Other Relevant Posts:
DCS/SA Notes (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=248146&postcount=285) (Fwiffo)
ToDo Steps (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=257346&postcount=606)
Some Notes (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=249747&postcount=393) (Fwiffo)
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Special Keys
AwesomeFace Key (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=250661&postcount=438) (Twitchy)
TrollFace Key (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=245894&postcount=73) (fwiffo) (Also Here (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=245876&postcount=71))
Question Mark Box (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=247652&postcount=240) (johnnysasaki)
Escape Man Key (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=252477&postcount=519) (Mr. Perfect)


^^^This is what killed Round 2!

Too many ideas and no main-concept!

Round 3 instead: one main-concept plus a lot of realised ideas, added one by one to the existing collection of kits.

Thanks for this summary!