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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: Kairxa on Mon, 15 November 2010, 03:53:08
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As stated in title, I'm about to tell the local reseller here to bring Filco Zero to my country, as an introduction into relatively cheap mech board.
Is it a good deal? I mean, will it grant the users enough experience to love mech boards and buy another? Or will it be loved - at the very least - by the users?
Thx for your answers! :)
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Simplified ALPS? Hmm...
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Some people like them, some don't. I think there are more who don't though. I think it's a very loud keyboard and this may be a problem for some.
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Is it louder than blue switches? I mean, in ripster's mega keyboard sound roundup thread, filco zero's sound test sounded a lil bit softer than blues, and without high pitched sound that blues had.
And squeaky. Lol.
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If it has the white Fukka switch, then yes, it is loud. The switch is very nice, if you like that sort of thing.
FWIW, I replaced the bottom housings on mine with those from a Dell AT101(black alps) and used the
click plate and spring from the Fukka. While not as loud as the Fukka it also has a little bit softer feel to it.
I am thinking I now have a complicated white ALPS switch. The Fukka is a simplified switch.
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But... They don't make the Zero any more ...
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But... They don't make the Zero any more ...
I was thinking this too but maybe the OEM still does and Elite just doesn't sell them anymore or something?
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I leave that to the reseller, lol. It's originally their idea though. I'm just asking opinion, about whether it is worth or not.
So, according to ripster, if it's Fukkas, then it's worth? How bout those squeaky keys? IIRC, the spacebar?
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I like the Fukkas. Personally, I think they would be a great introduction to mechanical keyboards.
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And it's only about 40 pounds on Keyboardco. Heck, it's even cheaper than Razer Lycosa.
Now, the only problem is about the build quality of newer zeros.
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Wait, older zeros mean the one using simplified type 1, right? And newer ones are the one using fukkas? If yes, then I'm wondering whether newer ones is as good as majestouch or not in the term of build quality.
Hm, and for precautions, avoid buy the "-Y" version. Am I right?
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Email Keyboard Company and ask them if their "-Y" versions are NIB or refurbs.
Err, it's not like we're gonna order from them though. Thx for the information anyway :)
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Digicore: http://www.digicore-xtreme.com
Lol, they said to me that they only managed to sell up to 5 mech board per month, because it's not well known, the model is ugly, and the price is very high. Wish more people know about mech boards in here.
Btw the guide is getting some views there, 2 days and almost 2k views.
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I've got a newer one, hence with Fukkas.
Yes, white Fukkas are loud, way louder than Cherry blues. Even though I understand why some people compare them to buckling springs, the actuation point comes much earlier. In my opinion, it makes bottoming out easy to avoid, but it could cause the exact opposite effect on you. I enjoy typing long texts with this keyboard, the actuation force seems just right. However, when I spend more time using keyboard shortcuts, arrows, and the editing block than typing actual text, they tend to feel tiring compared to softer switches. Also, if you hit a key a bit too much vertically off-center, the keystroke can be very frictiony.
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Thx Rip ;)
Hey thx Henry, for your brief explanation :D There's nothing wrong with it's built quality, right? I mean, is it still felt as sturdy as other filcos?
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Thanks, that's all I need.
Btw those keys looks different than original Majestouch's keys. They look more like Filco's blank keyset, and I definitely like those.
To summarize: make sure they are Fukkas, not XMs. They are as sturdy as other filcos. If they have US-ANSI layout then I think it's a wrap. Thanks guys!
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I'm a noob here but I've been shopping around from South Africa for a replacement for my Model M. This from a person I won't name at elitekeyboards:
"The Zero series keyboards that Keyboardco is currently carrying are
Blemished stock of an older version of the Zero series boards that use
an "XM" brand switch which, in my opinion, is about the worst mechanical
switch on the market at the moment. They're loud, heavy, and unreliable;
they're also cheap, which is another reason the Majestouch costs more.
In any case, Zero series boards use clicking switches, so I wouldn't
recommend them for a quiet environment."
Avoid these.
EDIT: I like these guys BTW, they're communicative, unlike Das Keyboard who have a no-reply email response to the effect we don't ship offshore and here's a list of our international suppliers (who charge double the US price) thank you very much. No wonder the US economy is in trouble. Rant off. I'd rather get the Majestouch.
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I'm a noob here but I've been shopping around from South Africa for a replacement for my Model M. This from a person I won't name at elitekeyboards:
When you refuse to name names at a one man operation, it's not exactly difficult to tell who it is.
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When you refuse to name names at a one man operation, it's not exactly difficult to tell who it is.
C'est la vie.
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Why not get a clean Dell AT101W for cheap off E-Bay instead, with complicated black Alps?
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Why not get a clean Dell AT101W for cheap off E-Bay instead, with complicated black Alps?
Because the cheapest is going to be 10-15 dollars, but the shipping is at least 15 bucks in the US, international is going to be horrible, plus, he's asking about getting a reseller to stock mech keyboards, not buying one just for himself.
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Actually I think it is a two man operation now. Or man and woman. Or two women although this is highly unlikely since there are no women on the Internet.
I got my Zero Fukka for cheap - $80 for a NIB tenkeyless NKRO Filco was pretty OK in my book. I just had to go to Japan to get it that's all. And I had to dodge lots of maids.
It was hell I tell you.{IMG}http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6011/hanaukyoep6lg01tc7.gif[/IMG]
Hook a brother up?
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Because the cheapest is going to be 10-15 dollars, but the shipping is at least 15 bucks in the US, international is going to be horrible, plus, he's asking about getting a reseller to stock mech keyboards, not buying one just for himself.
All right, thanks. So, do I have any particular reason to get a white fukka Filco having a Dell AT101W already as I do?
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They feel very different from each other.
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All right, thanks. So, do I have any particular reason to get a white fukka Filco having a Dell AT101W already as I do?
The general consensus is that the Dell is a higher-quality keyboard, but then, really, is there any particular reason to have more than one keyboard in any case? Honestly, it's just to try/collect/feel.
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hahahaha - the Dell a higher quality keyboard?
I consider Dell AT101Ws the "training wheels" of the mechanical keyboard world.
Compared to a Zero? You said yourself the XMs were crap!