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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: microsoft windows on Wed, 17 November 2010, 20:23:29
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Any regular visitor or member of the GeekHack forum knows about "Tenkeyless" keyboards: Keyboards without the number pad section. But "Tenkeyless" seems like kind of a bizarre term since the number pad does not have 10 keys. I've always wondered "Who, when, where, and why" with this word. Who invented it? When? Where was it invented? And why did they choose the term "Tenkeyless"?
I wonder if others here are curious, or perhaps know the answer.
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I guess it refers to the ten number keys only, and it is easier to say and type than seventeenkeyless. But I've no idea who coined the term.
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I think I remember it being called the ten-key pad like 10 years ago in Mavis Beacon, with this grocery store minigame for adding the cost of groceries (no barcode scanning). I think "number pad" may be the newer term.
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I get the impression it comes from a translated foreign phrase, maybe Japanese.
It's an awkward phrase. But so is tenkeypadless or numerickeypadless.
Bottom line: Stupid word for a great idea.
I think I remember it being called the ten-key pad like 10 years ago in Mavis Beacon, with this grocery store minigame for adding the cost of groceries (no barcode scanning). I think "number pad" may be the newer term.
Indeed.
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Filco.
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It's derived from the Latin word "ten", and the Greco-Roman "keyless".
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Well done.
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Well done.
North Korean-style golf clap?
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I just invented the word tenkeyful™© to describe full-sized keyboards.
Edit> Ah, balls (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=124210&postcount=26).
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Any regular visitor or member of the GeekHack forum knows about "Tenkeyless" keyboards: Keyboards without the number pad section. But "Tenkeyless" seems like kind of a bizarre term since the number pad does not have 10 keys.
Thanks for asking. I, too, wondered for a long time why "tenkeyless." It's true taht after a while here, one will know what a "tenkeyless" keyboard is.
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I always thought "ten key" had accounting origins in reference to 10 key calculators and otherwise a generic term for the 10 digit keypad arrangement. I never thought of it as an obscure term at all.
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It's 'tenkeyless' because it sounds better than 'seventeenkeyless'. Fewer syllables too.
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I always thought "ten key" had accounting origins in reference to 10 key calculators and otherwise a generic term for the 10 digit keypad arrangement. I never thought of it as an obscure term at all.
This. This forum's population might be too young to remember the term "Ten Key." Our job postings for bookkeepers still requires applicants to be able to do "ten key by touch." That's how I got good at it and why I still like to have the numpad on my 'boards. I even have a RF numpad for my HHKB.
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It's 'tenkeyless' because it sounds better than 'seventeenkeyless'. Fewer syllables too.
Yeah, but why wouldn't they just call it "87-key Space Saving" or "No Number Pad"?
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I think they should start calling it "Abouttwentykeyless".
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I never thought it was an odd term either. I remember people calling the numpad '10 key' ages ago.
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Filco Willis... now that would be a catchy product name.
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What. Nobody is going to do the math and point out it's technically wrong?
What has become of Geekhack?!?!?!?
Must be lack of Germans.
In fact the east asians come quite close with their 80%-keyboard-term. If you start with a 108-key ducky and cut away 21 keys, you end up with 80.555%.
But maybe you must interpret 10 as a hex-number (16 decimal), you will be off by one key only (the then obsolete NumLock-Button will not be taken into account).
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In fact the east asians come quite close with their 80%-keyboard-term. If you start with a 108-key ducky and cut away 21 keys, you end up with 80.555%.
But maybe you must interpret 10 as a hex-number (16 decimal), you will be off by one key only (the then obsolete NumLock-Button will not be taken into account).
If it was hexadecimal it should be A-keyless.
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If it was hexadecimal it should be A-keyless.
I should just go to sleep and leave the math to you guys. Just now noticed how wrong I was.
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Damn those Koreans are good.
OCN post by webwit linked to a hacked tenkeyless Realforce. (http://blog.naver.com/PostThumbnailView.nhn?blogId=elsuoo&logNo=80106074975&categoryNo=19&parentCategoryNo=)
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I count 3rd member of the Squirrel Club.
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It's funny how you guys think this term is a combination of the words "ten" and "keyless"
It's actually a combination of "tenke" and "yless", which makes much more sense anyway.
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It would make a lot more sense if you'd explain it.
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Usually squirrels like Das and Black Widows because they are shiny.
Agreed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ_P98o5MxE).
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I figured this was a topic worth resurrecting as the original question remains unanswered: who really invented the term "tenkeyless"?
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I prefer TKL = 'tickle'
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Holy... old thread.
rip, KBlover, 7bit, itlnstln, rajagra, db_iodine...
Such old times, much nostalgia...
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I figured this was a topic worth resurrecting as the original question remains unanswered: who really invented the term "tenkeyless"?
Were any people using the term before Filco made a keyboard officially named "Majestouch Tenkeyless" ?
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It makes sense to me.. TenKeyPad, No TenKeyPad = TenKeyLess.
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I always thought "ten key" had accounting origins in reference to 10 key calculators and otherwise a generic term for the 10 digit keypad arrangement. I never thought of it as an obscure term at all.
This. This forum's population might be too young to remember the term "Ten Key." Our job postings for bookkeepers still requires applicants to be able to do "ten key by touch." That's how I got good at it and why I still like to have the numpad on my 'boards. I even have a RF numpad for my HHKB.
This. Ten key touch typing was a skill, the same as normal touch typing was. There were various QWERTY typewriters and there were ten key machines, or adding machines.
The number pad layout on keyboqrds adopted the ten key machine layout. No clue who first coined the term though.
If you want another fun question - ask why are the digits on a phone different than ten key.
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Medium-sized keyboard.
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I figured this was a topic worth resurrecting as the original question remains unanswered: who really invented the term "tenkeyless"?
Were any people using the term before Filco made a keyboard officially named "Majestouch Tenkeyless" ?
That's one thing that I'd like to fine out some time. As of now, I guess we can pin it on Filco for inventing the term until proven otherwise!
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numpadless would make sense, but does not sound as sexy.
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Numberless sounds cool, but there's still the number row. Maybe a name for 40%?
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Numpadless?
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Or perhaps "None-Pad"?