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Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: MyNameIsDan on Sun, 05 December 2010, 15:50:01
I guess all you GHers that purchased from EK has received the newsletter just now. Apparently all Filco products will be replaced for another "that will meet or exceed the quality and functionality of FILCO products and provide a better
value in a very competitive market!".

I can only wonder what the new boards can be. Any thoughts?
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: RiceStrike on Sun, 05 December 2010, 15:53:56
I just ordered a tenkeyless from them like a week ago and haven't got it... I hope this isn't true but if there is a slight chance ill get one of these "improved" boards, I will be pleased greatly. Someone confirm this please
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: Soarer on Sun, 05 December 2010, 15:57:09
Quack?
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: jaynoon on Sun, 05 December 2010, 15:57:25
I'm sure you'll get what you ordered. The new "line" won't be available until Jan or Feb.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: MyNameIsDan on Sun, 05 December 2010, 18:01:14
Quote from: Soarer;257704
Quack?


Sounds more like a downgrade from a Filco if you ask me. But if they're selling for a cheaper price then I'm game!
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Sun, 05 December 2010, 18:03:31
80% chance it's Ducky
15% chance it's Leopold
5% chance it's XArmor (asking them now; but they said before they were being aggressive to make the XArmor prominent)
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: elbowglue on Sun, 05 December 2010, 18:04:07
Quote from: MyNameIsDan;257745
Sounds more like a downgrade from a Filco if you ask me. But if they're selling for a cheaper price then I'm game!


Get it? I'm Game? Ducky keyboard?
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Sun, 05 December 2010, 18:04:48
Quote from: elbowglue;257748
Get it? I'm Game? Ducky keyboard?


That was terrible. :p
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Sun, 05 December 2010, 18:25:09
Quote from: Phaedrus2129;257746
80% chance it's Ducky
15% chance it's Leopold
5% chance it's XArmor (asking them now; but they said before they were being aggressive to make the XArmor prominent)

Duckys... Everyone(who doesn't have national pride invested) that posts a review here portrays them as cheap Filcos, so... Meh?

The Leopolds are kind of interesting though... I like how the Lock keys light up when they're on, and they are available in blue, brown and black. Does anyone know if they have tenkeyless? Are they comparable to Filco in build quality?

Unless XArmor gets some new product out, they're probably a 0% chance. They've only got one blue 104 key model, so there's no way to satisfy people who want browns, blacks or anything tenkeyless.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: theferenc on Sun, 05 December 2010, 18:34:07
I wasn't getting the impression that they were "cheap filcos", actually. They simply emphasize different things.

If you want a bog basic, well built board, you get a filco for $x.
If you want more features, at the cost of build quality, for <$x, you get a ducky.

It's priorities, man.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: laden3 on Sun, 05 December 2010, 18:37:10
These keyboards mentioned are all made in Taiwan, some go through another company based outside of Taiwan and become more expensive. If you want a new keyboard made in US, Unicomp (edit: or Deck)Any evidence stating that Duckies have lower build quality? putting aside those 10XX series, Filco is more expensive because a Japanese company ordered them from Taiwan.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: theferenc on Sun, 05 December 2010, 18:38:44
Unicomp all the way!
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: mjacob on Sun, 05 December 2010, 18:44:36
Quote from: RiceStrike;257699
I just ordered a tenkeyless from them like a week ago and haven't got it... I hope this isn't true but if there is a slight chance ill get one of these "improved" boards, I will be pleased greatly. Someone confirm this please


Of course not. You'll get exactly what you ordered.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Sun, 05 December 2010, 18:50:46
Quote from: theferenc;257760
I wasn't getting the impression that they were "cheap filcos", actually. They simply emphasize different things.

If you want a bog basic, well built board, you get a filco for $x.
If you want more features, at the cost of build quality, for <$x, you get a ducky.

It's priorities, man.


Er, yeah, by "cheap" I meant "lower build quality". I didn't mean to imply they where knock offs or something.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: kidchunks on Sun, 05 December 2010, 18:56:18
Quote from: ripster;257765
If Majestouch swaps his Geekhack name to be Donald or Daffy that would be a big hint.


or Scrooge McDuck?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/BarksScrooge.jpg)
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: MyNameIsDan on Sun, 05 December 2010, 19:41:54
I really do hope its a Leopold... but I doubt it.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: spronkey on Sun, 05 December 2010, 19:50:06
Well apart from the fact that I had to resolder the spacebar keyswitch, I'm reasonably happy with the build quality of my Ducky 9008.

Having said that, I have never owned a Filco... I would certainly appreciate a little less lateral 'wobble' to the keys (but I think that's just the Cherry switches, and probably little you can do about it).

I wonder what made them [him] stop selling Filco - if it's just business ethics or whether there's some other reason that might affect potential Filco buyers?
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: theferenc on Sun, 05 December 2010, 19:52:11
I think it was more that he couldn't keep up with demand. When you have almost nothing in your store under the "Filco" heading, and people want to buy that type of keyboard at that price point, you either find an alternative, or you go under.

He found an alternative, which is a good thing, I would say.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: Henry on Sun, 05 December 2010, 19:54:43
Quote from: Mr. Perfect;257758

The Leopolds are kind of interesting though... I like how the Lock keys light up when they're on, and they are available in blue, brown and black. Does anyone know if they have tenkeyless? Are they comparable to Filco in build quality?

Yes, they do have a FC200R tenkeyless, even one version with Fukka switches.

In my opinion, compared to Filco quality, two things are noticeably not as good:


However, it has nice features, even though their superiority is a matter of personal tastes (in-key LEDs, detachable USB cable, Cherry style stabilizers). And the Japanese version (the I-T Touch AS-KB87) is ¥1000 cheaper than a Filco.

I don't know if it could be FC200R clones, but own/exclusive branded keyboards seem more probable to me than plain Ducky's.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: majestouch on Sun, 05 December 2010, 20:05:24
Quote from: ripster;257795
Notice he was dropped earlier by Realforce in a "distribution dispute".


Inaccurate. We stopped selling the 87U due to the fact that the licensing for it was exclusive, and Diatec was selling it to us, but Diatec was the one dropped. Around the same time, EliteKeyboards secured sole distributorship of Realforce in the USA, hence we continue to sell Realforce boards that are without exclusive licensing.

Quote

Now if I were a heartless Filco WW Sales Manager I would be pushing into North America now that the market is established with my own people.

But that's just me.


But what would you sell since you have no stock?
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sun, 05 December 2010, 20:09:32
Quote from: majestouch;257796
Inaccurate. We stopped selling the 87U due to the fact that the licensing for it was exclusive, and Diatec was selling it to us, but Diatec was the one dropped. Around the same time, EliteKeyboards secured sole distributorship of Realforce in the USA, hence we continue to sell Realforce boards that are without exclusive licensing.



But what would you sell since you have no stock?

Copy what Kenner Toys did when Star Wars came out: vouchers for everyone!

(http://i.min.us/icVdec.jpg)

Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Sun, 05 December 2010, 20:16:33
Quote from: Mr. Perfect;257758
Duckys... Everyone(who doesn't have national pride invested) that posts a review here portrays them as cheap Filcos, so... Meh?

The Leopolds are kind of interesting though... I like how the Lock keys light up when they're on, and they are available in blue, brown and black. Does anyone know if they have tenkeyless? Are they comparable to Filco in build quality?

Unless XArmor gets some new product out, they're probably a 0% chance. They've only got one blue 104 key model, so there's no way to satisfy people who want browns, blacks or anything tenkeyless.


U9, U9W, U9PLUS, U9BL-S, and U9GBL are all coming out in January/February.

Though I've heard all MX browns for those, so I guess it could be a bit monotonous. And no tenkeyless until late 2011 at the earliest.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: fssbzz on Sun, 05 December 2010, 20:23:15
it might not be ducky but sky digital.
(http://file.skyok.co.kr/sky/ct/ky/nkey_starcraft_game.jpg)
(http://file.skyok.co.kr/sky/ct/ky/mechanic_br_sub_01.jpg)
(http://file.skyok.co.kr/sky/ct/ky/mechanic_bl_sub_01.jpg)
(http://file.skyok.co.kr/sky/ct/ky/mechanic_bk_sub_01.jpg)

http://skyok.co.kr/product_list.php?c=96&key=&keyword=&page=1 (http://skyok.co.kr/product_list.php?c=96&key=&keyword=&page=1)
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: theferenc on Sun, 05 December 2010, 20:25:58
Why aren't reds or clears used more often? Does Cherry just not produce very many of them? All you ever see are brown (ick), blue, or black.

Just seems odd to me.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: ironman31 on Sun, 05 December 2010, 20:28:20
I really hope it's not sky digital. Don't like the layout at all
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 05 December 2010, 20:40:59
Quote from: MyNameIsDan;257696
"that will meet or exceed the quality and functionality of FILCO products and provide a better
value in a very competitive market!".


As much as I love my animal brethren, the ducky absolutely does not meet the quoted passage. This is coming from someone with both the quack quack and the Filco.

Do you feel the beat? I do.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: Wogrim on Sun, 05 December 2010, 20:45:37
Hrm that sucks I was planning on getting a Filco in a few months... I guess I'll have to wait and see what replaces it.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: CodeChef on Sun, 05 December 2010, 20:48:31
Quote from: ripster;257821
I think Elitekeyboards will be replacing Filco with this for $99.99.
Show Image
(http://iuinfoi101.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/optimus_maximus3.jpg)


lol we can only pray
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Sun, 05 December 2010, 20:49:10
Quote from: CodeChef;257823
lol we can only pray


Why? I paid $16 for my Cherry MLs.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: CodeChef on Sun, 05 December 2010, 20:54:20
Quote from: Phaedrus2129;257824
Why? I paid $16 for my Cherry MLs.


...That's an Optimus Maximus. Each key is a small LCD screen. You can literally make the keyboard anything you want. Notice he said for $100? They usually go for $1000
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: theferenc on Sun, 05 December 2010, 20:58:16
You found one for $1000? Last time I checked, they were $1800. Pretty though :-). At some point I even remember reading you can also pick up and move the physical keys with the proper tools. No soldering required.

I could be misremembering though.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Sun, 05 December 2010, 20:59:04
Quote from: CodeChef;257825
...That's an Optimus Maximus. Each key is a small LCD screen. You can literally make the keyboard anything you want. Notice he said for $100? They usually go for $1000


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Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: jpc on Sun, 05 December 2010, 21:00:13
Quote from: MyNameIsDan;257696
I guess all you GHers that purchased from EK has received the newsletter just now.


Can you post a copy of the newsletter for us EK customers who didn't get the newsletter for whatever reason?
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: CodeChef on Sun, 05 December 2010, 21:16:40
Phae, tone doesn't come through in text very well :P sorry.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Sun, 05 December 2010, 21:18:58
I posted this in the other thread, but I'll repeat it here. Spoiler alert.

(http://i.min.us/icQbCy.png)
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 05 December 2010, 21:36:01
good job mr. seo guy!

I would welcome a Leopold as an equivalent.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: majestouch on Sun, 05 December 2010, 21:44:14
Quote from: ripster;257810
BTW that was pretty stupid on Realforce's part.  Giving exclusive distribution to Diatec even though they don't seem to sell outside Japan?  What about Leopold and the 87Us they continue to carry? (http://www.leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1267522110)


So many assumptions;) It is a bit more complicated than it might seem to someone with a bias for Western business methodologies.

Topre is a conservative Japanese company that values predictability and stable growth. Instead of chasing down every PC component distributor on the planet and pouring half their sales revenue into marketing and distribution; they opt to make a rock solid product with failure rates 100 times lower than any keyboard maker on the market (think 1 in 10000 versus 1 in 100) and maintain just a few strong distributor relationships.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: AndrewZorn on Sun, 05 December 2010, 21:49:12
Quote from: jpc;257831
Can you post a copy of the newsletter for us EK customers who didn't get the newsletter for whatever reason?

:
Quote
Greetings from EK!

Note: If you're receiving this message, you're either an EliteKeyboards
newsletter subscriber, or you've recently inquired about a FILCO
keyboard. If you've made a recent inquiry, but are not a subscriber,
please read the "important message" below the new announcements. **

THE NEW:

We're proud to announce the availability of keycaps from the Clack Factory!
Clack Factory keycaps are unique pieces of art for your favorite keyboard:)

These are limited to 2 per person in the initial run, but more are coming!

Cherry MX: http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,cherrymxkeys
Topre/HHKB: http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,toprekeys


A VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE:

FILCO products have been in short supply recently, and this has been due
to our supplier not being able to meet market demand. We're very sorry
for this inconvenience; particularly at this time of the year!

Unfortunately, despite our recent efforts, our supply of FILCO products
will not be improving, so we have taken this turn of events as an
opportunity to search for alternative products which can meet our
customers' demands.

So without beating around the bush too much, in Jan/Feb 2011 EK will
offer a new keyboard line-up with Cherry MX switches!

These boards will replace all FILCO products (and then some:). We've
selected them with much discretion, and believe they will meet or exceed
the quality and functionality of FILCO products and provide a better
value in a very competitive market!

Further details to follow on our website soon. We appreciate your
continued support!


** If you're one of the overwhelming number of recent FILCO inquiries
we've received, we've sent you this newsletter as a courtesy. If you are
not on the EK mailing list, you will not receive further e-mails from us.
If you'd like to subscribe, you may do so on our homepage:)

http://elitekeyboards.com

Unsubscribe: http://elitekeyboards.com/legal.php?action=unsubscribe
Feedback: webmaster@elitekeyboards.com
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 05 December 2010, 21:52:16
actually after reviewing Leopold even further, I think i'm still a filco fan. I'm not a fan of integrated LED's on the keycaps. Makes replacement troublesome!

I wonder if Leopold comes from the Ducky Factory? Their casing and tenkeyless look better than Ducky's though.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: WhiteRice on Sun, 05 December 2010, 22:51:49
Well there's only one solution then...


(http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/4085105/GOTO-PCHOME-BUY-ALL-FILCOs.jpg?imageSize=Large&generatorName=Advice-Dog)
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 05 December 2010, 22:53:44
Whiterice, you're right... I am going to buy up the world stock of filcos!
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: WhiteRice on Sun, 05 December 2010, 22:56:06
If you buy all of them, then you can name your price!
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: panda-R on Sun, 05 December 2010, 23:53:24
Quote from: WhiteRice;257876
If you buy all of them, then you can name your price!


nah, i just gonna buy them all and look at them all day... mount a few on the wall, maybe make a table, use one for my sponge baths, etc.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: AndrewZorn on Mon, 06 December 2010, 00:42:43
Quote from: WhiteRice;257876
If you buy all of them, then you can name your price!


Quote from: panda-R;257882
nah, i just gonna buy them all and look at them all day... mount a few on the wall, maybe make a table, use one for my sponge baths, etc.

"panda-R was found dead in his home Saturday night. His house raided, investigators believed the cause of death is linked to an internet community enraged over his hoarding and misuse of rare computer parts."
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: Nadger on Mon, 06 December 2010, 01:08:39
I hope he still will stock blank keycaps...and with those integrated leds in leopold caps and scroll lock keys, we would need blank keycaps with led windows in them.

I guess theres always sand blasting.

Xarmor not doing a tenkeyless until late 2011 really sucks too.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: Kairxa on Mon, 06 December 2010, 01:17:15
Quote from: ripster;257896
Mine.  All mine.  You can't have them.


I'm portraying you as Smeagol, but it's keyboards now. Hm.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 06 December 2010, 01:19:04
Hate to be a noob here, but I've been out of the loop for half a year. Can someone post a link to Leopold's keyboard line so I can plan ahead?
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 06 December 2010, 01:30:20
And Rip, why on Earth are you hoarding dwarves?
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: victheslik on Mon, 06 December 2010, 01:35:45
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Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 06 December 2010, 01:37:41
Thanks man, how you been?
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: BlueRain on Mon, 06 December 2010, 01:59:41
Got links? I'm not seeing much information on GH on Leopold. Maybe I need to learn how to better search...

Quote from: panda-R;257861
actually after reviewing Leopold even further, I think i'm still a filco fan. I'm not a fan of integrated LED's on the keycaps. Makes replacement troublesome!

I wonder if Leopold comes from the Ducky Factory? Their casing and tenkeyless look better than Ducky's though.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Mon, 06 December 2010, 02:07:58
Quote from: panda-R;257861
actually after reviewing Leopold even further, I think i'm still a filco fan. I'm not a fan of integrated LED's on the keycaps. Makes replacement troublesome!

Well if you don't intend to replace the keycaps, the ducky pbt laser etched is nicer in my opinion.

But if you are then i totally agree with you.

You mentioned about the quality issue, and i agree but that was a review for the 1087. But isn't the ducky 9008 a different matter ?
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: Twitchy on Mon, 06 December 2010, 02:08:56
There are some Leopold mechanical keyboards on this page (http://www.leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/list.php&ca_id=1010).
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 06 December 2010, 02:14:50
Thanks. Now I remember why Leopold sounded familiar — my HHKB Pro 2 roof was made by them. Do they have anything more interesting than a Filco clone?
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: Twitchy on Mon, 06 December 2010, 03:50:43
I think that that's it as far as mechanical keyboards on Leopold go. I guess that a Filco clone is exactly what you end up with when you look for a Filco replacement.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 06 December 2010, 06:28:54
In other EK news, Brian just told me that the black Realforce 86U will be available on the website in the next couple of weeks...

Edit: also why does everyone assume the Filcos will be replaced with Duckys? For all we know they could be replaced with something totally new that we've never seen.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: muchadoaboutnothing on Mon, 06 December 2010, 08:08:44
Quote from: keyboardlover;257948
Edit: also why does everyone assume the Filcos will be replaced with Duckys? For all we know they could be replaced with something totally new that we've never seen.

We moved on from the "guess it's ducky" bandwagon to "Oh, it's probably Leopold"  a couple pages ago (given that the first keyword in EliteKeyboards' meta tags is currently Leopold).
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: panda-R on Mon, 06 December 2010, 09:45:09
Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;257907
Well if you don't intend to replace the keycaps, the ducky pbt laser etched is nicer in my opinion.

But if you are then i totally agree with you.

You mentioned about the quality issue, and i agree but that was a review for the 1087. But isn't the ducky 9008 a different matter ?


I am rocking the Ducky PBT right now on the 9008 and as nice as they are, there's always the possibility to replace the keycaps and lose the LED but thats just a small matter. I can't really tell from the pics of the leopold yet but I hope they cover up the front edge of the keycaps like a filco... makes things look nicer.

The 9008 seems to be higher quality than the 1087 especially in terms of studiness, but again it's not without it's faults as I have a broken foot and the ESC key's are all off centered.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: jaynoon on Mon, 06 December 2010, 14:28:57
Quote from: keyboardlover;257948
In other EK news, Brian just told me that the black Realforce 86U will be available on the website in the next couple of weeks...


Now that's some great news.

I've really been wanting to compare a Realforce to this HHKB (ugh $$$). Too bad the specter of the light-touch Topres looms large. Really wondering if those will be better. I certainly have no problem with the noise on the HHKB, it's damn quiet.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: bakageta on Mon, 06 December 2010, 14:34:55
Hmm, well I guess that crushes my dreams of the white "Otaku" Filco being re-released at some point through EK. Time to start looking for a used one I suppose.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: itlnstln on Mon, 06 December 2010, 14:35:41
Bro, the Realforce and the HHKB are night and day in terms of feel.  Just pull the trigger.  Help out the economy during this tough holiday season.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: itlnstln on Mon, 06 December 2010, 14:36:50
Quote from: bakageta;258205
Hmm, well I guess that crushes my dreams of the white "Otaku" Filco being re-released at some point through EK. Time to start looking for a used one I suppose.


Check out Keyboardco.com.  I know they have white Filcos (not sure about Otaku).  You will have to pay for shipping from the UK, though.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: bakageta on Mon, 06 December 2010, 14:40:57
They don't have any blank white ones listed, though they do have blank black ones listed with an unknown ETA. Shipping on that is going to be pretty killer though... :( I'll try for a used one first, I managed to pick up a black blank tenkeyless for ~$100 not that long ago, maybe I'll get lucky.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 06 December 2010, 14:57:26
Quote from: itlnstln;258206
Bro, the Realforce and the HHKB are night and day in terms of feel.  Just pull the trigger.  Help out the economy during this tough holiday season.


I shall follow itlnstln around and reinforce this opinion. Its so much difference that I have been thinking hard about whether I should sell my HHKB. I think ill just wait around a while and see if I can get my money back on it.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: itlnstln on Mon, 06 December 2010, 15:03:05
It's a damn shame, too.  The HHKB layout is perfect, IMO.  The key feel is really a downer.  I almost didn't buy my Realforce because of it.  I just happened to get the 23UB, because I'm a numpad ****, and thought I might give a Realforce a try.  I'm happy I did.  Other than the layout, the Realforce series is much better in construction than the HHKB.  I understand that it's a portable 'board, but I would take a little more weight for Realforce construction.  Don't get me wrong, the HHKB is well-built, but the Realforce is a beast.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: iMav on Mon, 06 December 2010, 16:17:33
If the key feel is better on the Realforce, why not switch out the membranes and springs with the HHKB?
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: AlgoFlash on Mon, 06 December 2010, 16:30:21
A friend ordered a tenkeyless Blue for me something like a month ago and I still haven't received anything yet (I live in Montreal, CA, no, up here not down there), I hope I'll get it! Anyone else having trouble with EK delivering in CA?
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: Lane Dean on Mon, 06 December 2010, 18:13:10
Did I miss an inventory reduction sale of some kind?
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: Nadger on Mon, 06 December 2010, 18:28:34
If you count "sales" as a prices going up and them selling out, then yes, you missed it.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: RickyJ on Mon, 06 December 2010, 20:27:45
I was wondering what EKB was going to do about the Filco supply situation, looking forward to what Brian comes up with.  If the new goodies are comparable in features/quality to Filco but at a cheaper price (direct from manufacturer would help there), then I'll definitely hold off on a Rosewill in the new year.  I can't keep using Alps boards forever, though the $30usd shipping via USPS certainly makes any Cherry boards from the States less attractive.

Very interested to see what Xarmor comes out with in the new year as well.  The U9BL is nice, but I'd rather not have illuminated keys that just wear off.  Hopefully Phaedrus got a chance to offer some input about options they should offer.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 06 December 2010, 21:01:03
Quote from: iMav;258262
If the key feel is better on the Realforce, why not switch out the membranes and springs with the HHKB?


I have a feeling (I think itlnstln does too) that the secret behind the realforce feel is the metal plate the domes are mounted on
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: ManjyomeThunder on Mon, 06 December 2010, 21:38:29
Quote from: RickyJ;258376
I was wondering what EKB was going to do about the Filco supply situation, looking forward to what Brian comes up with.  If the new goodies are comparable in features/quality to Filco but at a cheaper price (direct from manufacturer would help there), then I'll definitely hold off on a Rosewill in the new year.  I can't keep using Alps boards forever, though the $30usd shipping via USPS certainly makes any Cherry boards from the States less attractive.


I keep meaning to buy boards with Cherry switches, but I keep getting roped into Alps, Alps, Alps! Not that there's really anything wrong with them.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: RickyJ on Mon, 06 December 2010, 22:04:29
Big plus for Alps is they're cheap, and you can clean them without desoldering them.  $30usd per keyboard for USPS into Canada makes anything cheap on eBay, not cheap.  Unless I'm buying something new and very worth the shipping charge, I'm pretty much stuck hunting for old Alps boards in Canada. :(
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: dissident on Mon, 06 December 2010, 22:58:26
the cord where it attaches to the keyboard on my filco with cherry reds starting shorting out on mine and I ordered a very cheap keyboard, logitech k120, to replace it and noticed it's engineered in such a way that that kind of shorting will likely not happen. They should consider redesigning that area or even making the cord detachable.. I never carried the keyboard by the cord or anything, but in a HTPC setup it did get picked up from the floor onto my lap and set down onto the floor when in use.... it's true what they say a chain is only as good as it's weakest link. :)  Logitech mice are subject to this shorting too but it took much longer to manifest. On the other hand my sennheiser HD555 headphones have lasted 4 years of abuse including being thrown and picked up by the cord, and the cord has not shorted out yet. Go Sennheiser!

In the meantime I'm using this mushy yet nice and quiet logitech for the moment. I may just keep it. The filco was wonderful, but as long as I'm not using one of those roll up keyboards like my sister uses, and it has full size keys and they work, I find I'm not that picky.. more like that I like variety.. I should get the IBM model M out of the closet and start using that full time, much to the pleasure of the person living below me in this apartment. :)
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 07 December 2010, 07:07:03
Quote from: ironman31;258385
I have a feeling (I think itlnstln does too) that the secret behind the realforce feel is the metal plate the domes are mounted on


This.  Apparently, the uTron suffers from the mediocre key feel as well.  From what I've seen, it also uses a plastic mounting plate.  HaTaa would be able to confirm.  If rdjack21 hung out more often, he could give us a dissertation on all of the different Topre implementations out there.
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 07 December 2010, 10:24:52
What are you thinking, Ripster?  July?  August?
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: sixty on Tue, 07 December 2010, 11:06:39
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=13258

shhhhhh :redface:
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: ricercar on Tue, 07 December 2010, 22:02:53
aaaaaah (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=259284&postcount=92)
Title: Elitekeyboard replacing Filco
Post by: msiegel on Tue, 07 December 2010, 22:22:59
@_@ gaaah!