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Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: AndrewZorn on Wed, 22 December 2010, 10:45:59
I BASICALLY NEED THESE

http://steelseries.com/us/products/other/steelseries-scope
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: godly_music on Wed, 22 December 2010, 11:02:16
So these have the same effect as reducing the brightness on your monitor to a sane level and changing the whites to a warmer tone. Well, it convinced the dude in the picture.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 22 December 2010, 11:04:44
$100? You could buy a keyboard...
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Earth Worm Jim on Wed, 22 December 2010, 11:12:38
Or you could go the option and get your eyes checked.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 22 December 2010, 12:13:33
This glasses are made by Gunnar Optics and then rebranded by Steelseries which sure means more expensive price.

You can see their place and read all the technical explanation and a lot of freak people wearing Gunnar glasses too.

Maybe they will help when using too much hours the computer but anyways I wouldn't buy anything without talking before with an ophthalmologist and get the true answer about my eyes getting tired and that glasses going to help.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Arc'xer on Wed, 22 December 2010, 13:55:31
This just shows that monitors lack calibration and some will game with very high gamma and brightness just to see the dark areas of a map.

Either the game isn't properly made to show these areas or it's the monitors fault.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 22 December 2010, 15:54:23
Pay $5 and get a pair of reading glasses at Wal-Mart.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Ekaros on Wed, 22 December 2010, 15:57:41
Hmm, so do they have high-diffraction lenses? And up to where, I would need something around -6 or -7...
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 22 December 2010, 16:06:17
Quote from: WhiteRice;267302
$100? You could buy a keyboard...


I could buy ten.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 22 December 2010, 16:08:09
Quote from: Arc'xer;267381
This just shows that monitors lack calibration and some will game with very high gamma and brightness just to see the dark areas of a map.

Either the game isn't properly made to show these areas or it's the monitors fault.


You don't need crazy gamma or brightness to see dark areas well. All you need is a CRT.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: AndrewZorn on Wed, 22 December 2010, 19:47:21
(http://www.shopgetorganized.com/images/p33863_500.jpg)
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 22 December 2010, 23:01:36
as someone said these are rebranded gunnar optics. You can find regular gunnar optics at a better price at
buy.com
http://www.buy.com/retail/usersearchresults.asp?querytype=home&qu=gunnar&qxt=home&display=col (http://www.buy.com/retail/usersearchresults.asp?querytype=home&qu=gunnar&qxt=home&display=col)

newegg has em too if you want to pay more but like newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&Description=gunnar&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&Description=gunnar&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20)

idk if your serious or not, but i'll share my experiences... nausia
idk if others had this problem but felt like i was having motion sickness. I do wear glasses for nearsighted so i did both, had my glasses on and off. I was a real trooper, i spent 4 hours with these glasses (over my regular glasses on and off) b4 i really felt like i was motion sick and going to vomit.

Usually i cannot play fps for longer than 1hr, cuz i have that issue (i think it started when i was 28, don't know what was doing the quake, whatever for the longest time, stillplayed mmo's and was the best tho).
but i wasn't even playing games, i was just trying to do work.you know word/excel/ web browse. Nope these glasses gave me motion sickness like 3x as fast and as furious as when i go fps. (related note, i can do halo and all that on xbox on my tv just fine for 20hrs straight, i guess it's just the distance i'm sitting at and the size of the tv, if it's on my bedroom 32 or my living room 100in projector i'm fine, just when i sit right in front of computer and play fps i get weezy after 2hrs)
it might be me, but that's my experience if you were really serious about these glasses. (i didn't even have time to get over the "everything looks like it's covered in pee" too busy fighting off vomit)
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: woody on Thu, 23 December 2010, 07:45:40
Everything labeled with "As seen on TV" makes me impulse-buy.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Mazora on Thu, 23 December 2010, 07:51:42
Quote from: AndrewZorn;267543
Show Image
(http://www.shopgetorganized.com/images/p33863_500.jpg)


Wwwoooooww OMG
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: bpiphany on Thu, 23 December 2010, 09:41:04
Well, for driving or shooting or whatever under natural light yellow tinted glasses makes sense. Shorter wavelenght light (bluer) scatters more on dust and vapor. Filtering out this scattered light can remove some of the haze and give clearer vision. This is also why people with eye cataract often are seen wearing red glasses. The lens of the eye becomes clouded and the red light let through by the glasses is the light that ends up most correctly at the retina. With a computer screen though I guess it should be possible to acheive the same result from color adjusting.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: PAINKILLER on Thu, 23 December 2010, 09:42:21
Do they have gamma ray and fast neutron filters? Would be nice with my CRT.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: nmd on Thu, 23 December 2010, 10:07:36
http://www.stereopsis.com/flux/

Same thing. I've tried the Gunnars and liked them, tried to get a Rx version but the customer service at Gunnars just ended up ignoring me once I told them my zip code... guess there's no one in my area that works with them or they just didn't care.

It's much less eye strain if you use a computer many hours during the day.

edit: My eye sight isn't THAT bad, it's just once I looked away from the computer I couldn't read things across the room so it was a pita to keep switching glasses.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: AndrewZorn on Thu, 23 December 2010, 10:56:30
I'm astounded half of you actually know the details of these, or even have used them.  I need to start selling mouse bungees, Bawls, and gaming gloves in the Classifieds.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: nmd on Thu, 23 December 2010, 13:43:10
Quote from: AndrewZorn;267800
I'm astounded half of you actually know the details of these, or even have used them.  I need to start selling mouse bungees, Bawls, and gaming gloves in the Classifieds.


I tried Bawls when it was a big sponsor for the CPL. No thanks.

Do you know any place in the US to buy a mouse bungee? I'm using a Razer Armadillo for cord management atm and while it gets the job done, with a stiff braided cord the cord can still hit/move things around on the desk, would rather use a bungee.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Soarer on Thu, 23 December 2010, 14:00:31
Could buy these, and lots to go in them :-D

(http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/pac_man_shot_glasses.jpg)

Then everything looks great... even those who shouldn't ;-)
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Arc'xer on Thu, 23 December 2010, 14:09:40
Quote from: nmd;267918
I tried Bawls when it was a big sponsor for the CPL. No thanks.

Do you know any place in the US to buy a mouse bungee? I'm using a Razer Armadillo for cord management atm and while it gets the job done, with a stiff braided cord the cord can still hit/move things around on the desk, would rather use a bungee.


http://www2.razerzone.com/bungee (http://www2.razerzone.com/bungee)

Seems like either they were bought out or are now working with them. As long as it remains a fairly good price, I'll buy it despite the branding and whatnot. The mouse bungee that was sold seems to have been around 10-15 dollars so not bad. But not sure what razer is gonna do with them price wise.

Been wanting a mouse bungee myself due to the same issue plus some have mentioned just how great the bungee saying it's almost like using a wireless mouse. Mouse cord has been a pain in the ass for me as well especially when using a lower sensitivity, it gets stuck everywhere or it resists due to the weight and drag of the cord.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: db_Iodine on Thu, 23 December 2010, 14:13:04
I had too Google about mouse bungees. I had never even heard of such things before. I don't really understand how those are even supposed to help you.. I mean it seems to actually limit the movement of the mouse.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: nmd on Thu, 23 December 2010, 14:19:07
Yeah the Razer bungee deal went through months ago but there's been no word since.

With the older mice that were rubber coated cables they were extremely flexible... didn't need them then. But with more mice using braided cords now, the ****ing things are too stiff and offer almost no extra durability(I've never had a mouse cable get damaged through normal use or otherwise.) It depends on how cluttered your desk is which admittedly mine isn't the cleanest desk at the moment.

They don't help really, but if you use a mouse with a stiff cord especially you don't have to worry about for example pushing a paper off your desk... or more likely the annoying as hell feeling that when the cord hits something and your movement is restricted momentarily, it's aggravating.

Takes your wired mouse and makes it feel like it's wireless I guess is the best way of explaining it.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: db_Iodine on Thu, 23 December 2010, 14:44:43
Roccat product naming is funny. They're all in Finnish.. So the guy is using Roccat Hard mouse, Roccat War mousepad and Roccat Helper mouse bungee. I still don't quite see the benefit of that thing. I've never had any problem with my mouse cable. If I have a wired mouse, I just hook the wire through my monitors stand, which does some what similar job as those mouse bungees. The difference is there isn't any ugly ass glowing three legged... umm thing in front of your monitor. Also good monitors these days have powered usb hubs these days so that  can't be a reason to buy one of those.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: AndrewZorn on Thu, 23 December 2010, 15:37:43
As laughable as all these products are, yes, the new braided cables on mice are so stupid.

Even still, I've found that adequate slack on the line gives me next to no trouble.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: vegaman on Thu, 23 December 2010, 18:28:14
Quote from: AndrewZorn;267987
As laughable as all these products are, yes, the new braided cables on mice are so stupid.

Even still, I've found that adequate slack on the line gives me next to no trouble.


Yeah, I've worn out plenty of mice from heavy gaming and just using the computer a lot. But I've never worn out one of the standard rubber coated cables, you'd have to really abuse it to do that. And for the people that do wear out cables, I've seen them wear out braided cables anyway.

And I pretty much do the same, the mouse cable goes through the cable management hole at the back of my desk, but I've got plenty of slack sitting on top of my desk.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 23 December 2010, 18:59:09
I never have had issues with mouse cables.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Lanx on Fri, 24 December 2010, 01:41:25
Quote from: nmd;267944
Yeah the Razer bungee deal went through months ago but there's been no word since.

With the older mice that were rubber coated cables they were extremely flexible... didn't need them then. But with more mice using braided cords now, the ****ing things are too stiff and offer almost no extra durability(I've never had a mouse cable get damaged through normal use or otherwise.) It depends on how cluttered your desk is which admittedly mine isn't the cleanest desk at the moment.

They don't help really, but if you use a mouse with a stiff cord especially you don't have to worry about for example pushing a paper off your desk... or more likely the annoying as hell feeling that when the cord hits something and your movement is restricted momentarily, it's aggravating.

Takes your wired mouse and makes it feel like it's wireless I guess is the best way of explaining it.

Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: db_Iodine on Fri, 24 December 2010, 02:07:06
It's damn ugly making the cables go higher than the desk level like that.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Azuremen on Fri, 24 December 2010, 02:39:07
Quote from: nmd;267944
Yeah the Razer bungee deal went through months ago but there's been no word since.

Takes your wired mouse and makes it feel like it's wireless I guess is the best way of explaining it.


Just build from K'nex. That is what I do when I need random doodads like that.

As for these glasses, I think they are a bit silly. If you are having eyestrain from your monitor it is just setup poorly. Kind of amazing how so many monitors are way, way too bright.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: db_Iodine on Fri, 24 December 2010, 03:11:25
Most monitors have their brightness set up at 50-100% by default. I found that my monitors produce the best colors at 10-15% brightness.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: chuckading on Fri, 24 December 2010, 03:46:03
I'll get some when they come in red lenses and blue frames.

(http://www.superfuture.com/supernews/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/kavinsky6.jpg)
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Azuremen on Fri, 24 December 2010, 03:46:52
Quote from: db_Iodine;268200
Most monitors have their brightness set up at 50-100% by default. I found that my monitors produce the best colors at 10-15% brightness.


I think this partially depends on the lighting in the room. I always have okay lighting in my room, so I adjust the monitors so they don't seem notably brighter than the area behind them. Tends to reduce eyestrain. Fastest way to get eyestrain, in my experience, is a bright monitor in a dark room.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: woody on Fri, 24 December 2010, 03:51:38
Yes, monitor brightness should match the environmental.
Calibrate, if possible.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: db_Iodine on Fri, 24 December 2010, 08:20:47
I've always calibrated my monitors with most lights off, because that's how I mostly use my computer.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: PAINKILLER on Fri, 24 December 2010, 19:38:00
Quote from: ripster;267942
I've been hanging around the OCN Mechanical Keyboard Guide too long.  At 1000000 posts you're bound to see EVERYTHING come up.




Quote
Today I've go' the Rocca'...T

Quote
Is tha' no' the coolest thing you ever seen!

It ain't not the coolest thing I ever saw.
Quote
Bloody hell!

LOL funny brit.

And in a fighter plane game I can still pwn the **** outta pretty much anyone using nothing but a 8 years old monitor and a 24 years old keyboard. No joystick, I sold that bull****! Not that I'm particularly proud of wasting my time in games.
About the glasses - apparently what they do is lower the color temperature. Displays are actually often sold at 7500K or even 9300K which immediately looks nice when you compare it to displays set at a lower temperature in a shop, but it's as artificial as watching arch welding with bare eyes. As the site nmd posted says, natural light can be between 5000K and 7000K during the day and I guess even lower at dusk. So if you don't know what might be causing you problems you may first wanna try adjusting to whatever you want in the wide range (it is usually at least 5000K to 11000K) that the monitor and graphics card provide before buying a product that will bring an unknown fixed reduction. What f.lux does, is to vary the temperature throughout the day to produce natural temperature for the current part of the day, and that is supposed to let your body know when you need to go to sleep... Which is why I'm writing this now. I'm going to try it soon. If anything can achieve natural results, that's gotta be it. Or someone make a natural backlight LCD monitor mod.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: EverythingIBM on Fri, 24 December 2010, 19:53:42
Quote from: db_Iodine;268200
Most monitors have their brightness set up at 50-100% by default. I found that my monitors produce the best colors at 10-15% brightness.


Oh yeah, stock settings are super bright on any monitor (except on some of the older thinkpads: they have special "dull/matte" screens for people who stare at the screen for a long time doing business stuff).

OMG SWEDISH NERD WEARING SUPER-COOL GLASSES, I NEED TO BUY THEM NOW.
(http://steelseries.com/wp-content/uploads/productpage_scope_big.png)
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: victheslik on Fri, 24 December 2010, 21:13:20
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Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: isp on Sat, 25 December 2010, 00:46:16
Quote from: nmd;267780
http://www.stereopsis.com/flux/



uhhh, yeah it just set my display to 3500k...while I admit it is pleasant on the eyes colors go out the window :(((

cool concept though, i think it would be a lot better if it worked in conjunction with hardware to measure the ambient light in the room...
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: db_Iodine on Sat, 25 December 2010, 03:12:11
3500k... ugh. It's pretty much impossible to calibrate a monitor without the calibration hardware anyway.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: nmd on Sat, 25 December 2010, 09:46:22
Quote from: isp;268545
uhhh, yeah it just set my display to 3500k...while I admit it is pleasant on the eyes colors go out the window :(((

cool concept though, i think it would be a lot better if it worked in conjunction with hardware to measure the ambient light in the room...


Yeah, that's why I didn't end up using that too long. It does automatically adjust the color depending on time of day/year though which is kind of neat. Should utilize a webcam for ambient light or something crazy to adjust it better - aka: use magic.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Mon, 27 December 2010, 09:07:13
****'s getting ridiculous..... WAIT

make that retarded :yo:
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: microsoft windows on Mon, 27 December 2010, 09:19:57
I set my computer monitors to 6500k.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: a_fluffy_kitten on Mon, 27 December 2010, 09:33:47
Quote from: microsoft windows;269400
I set my computer monitors to 6500k.


Is that the color temp or how much they weigh?
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: microsoft windows on Mon, 27 December 2010, 09:35:44
Probably both.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Earth Worm Jim on Mon, 27 December 2010, 13:54:55
Mouse bungees WTF!
I never even know there was a need for them.
Never had a problem with a trackball.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: db_Iodine on Mon, 27 December 2010, 15:02:12
Anything that is advertised for the gaming community is going to sell.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: EverythingIBM on Mon, 27 December 2010, 16:22:20
Quote from: microsoft windows;269400
I set my computer monitors to 6500k.


I just tweak whatever settings on a particular monitor until I'm satistfied (Since all monitors have different settings thus giving different colours unless tweaked).
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Tue, 28 December 2010, 07:21:54
Quote from: db_Iodine;269484
Anything that is advertised for the gaming community is going to sell.


as long as it is backed up by a mainstream corp like Logitech, Razer or Roccat and as long as they back up the product with bogus stats and a whole bunch of marketing bull****...

I sometimes feel ashamed to call myself a gamer these days.

But the entrepreneur in me wants to massively abuse this idiocracy and sell folks gamer-chairs and **** like that

(http://www.moonbattery.com/toilet-computer.jpg)
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: EverythingIBM on Wed, 29 December 2010, 09:43:27
Quote from: Senor_Cartmenez;269769
as long as it is backed up by a mainstream corp like Logitech, Razer or Roccat and as long as they back up the product with bogus stats and a whole bunch of marketing bull****...

I sometimes feel ashamed to call myself a gamer these days.

But the entrepreneur in me wants to massively abuse this idiocracy and sell folks gamer-chairs and **** like that

Show Image
(http://www.moonbattery.com/toilet-computer.jpg)


That's a great screensaver! I think I know what windows they're using.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: db_Iodine on Wed, 29 December 2010, 12:51:48
I like the ergonomics of that chair.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Earth Worm Jim on Thu, 30 December 2010, 05:43:42
Quote from: Senor_Cartmenez;269769
as long as it is backed up by a mainstream corp like Logitech, Razer or Roccat and as long as they back up the product with bogus stats and a whole bunch of marketing bull****...

I sometimes feel ashamed to call myself a gamer these days.

But the entrepreneur in me wants to massively abuse this idiocracy and sell folks gamer-chairs and **** like that

Show Image
(http://www.moonbattery.com/toilet-computer.jpg)


I could do with that chair after the curry I had last night.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: PAINKILLER on Thu, 30 December 2010, 09:39:44
Here's the kind of glasses a CRT gamer needs:
Scroll down to the last few pictures. (http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2009/07/07/the-worlds-first-nuclear-power-plant/)
Your eyes will like you for that. Your future kids' eyes will like you for that, too.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 30 December 2010, 09:48:36
20 inches thick? I don't need those bottle caps!
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Architect on Mon, 03 January 2011, 19:37:43
I have a three monitor setup (2x24" Apple Cinema and 1x27" Apple Cinema) and all the monitors are calibrated to a standard luminescence of 120. This is much dimmer than what Apple defaults to, probably because consumers react to big, bright displays. I also am a lifelong eyeglasses user.

Separately I've got a pair of 10% grey tint glasses in my prescription from Zenni optical. Normally my glasses are quite expensive but these are so cheap I got the tint as a fashion experiment. I was very surprised to find out that they worked wonderfully as computer glasses.

I'm on the computer about 16 hours a day. I write software by day and by night, at work under fluorescents and in my wonderful home office. I'm not interested in games except to write them. I can't explain the mechanism as to why the tinted glasses work so well, other than I find them calmer, and I indeed can focus better on my work.

I'm curious to try the other tints, amber or green perhaps (our eyes resonse peaks in the blue green due to having evolved in the foliage.)
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: EverythingIBM on Tue, 04 January 2011, 05:46:41
Quote from: Architect;272656
I have a three monitor setup (2x24" Apple Cinema and 1x27" Apple Cinema) and all the monitors are calibrated to a standard luminescence of 120. This is much dimmer than what Apple defaults to, probably because consumers react to big, bright displays. I also am a lifelong eyeglasses user.

Separately I've got a pair of 10% grey tint glasses in my prescription from Zenni optical. Normally my glasses are quite expensive but these are so cheap I got the tint as a fashion experiment. I was very surprised to find out that they worked wonderfully as computer glasses.

I'm on the computer about 16 hours a day. I write software by day and by night, at work under fluorescents and in my wonderful home office. I'm not interested in games except to write them. I can't explain the mechanism as to why the tinted glasses work so well, other than I find them calmer, and I indeed can focus better on my work.

I'm curious to try the other tints, amber or green perhaps (our eyes resonse peaks in the blue green due to having evolved in the foliage.)


I disagree with responding to blue/green specifically (everyone's different). I would probably say red or yellow is responded to the best due to it being brighter: and as you just said, apple has their monitors bright for more reaction...

Generally I find colour tint to be annoying (green would probably be the best colour as our eyes can see more of it than any other: supposedly why night goggles are green), it's best to just tint glasses with something like black since it's a shade.

Also, if you're not interested in games but except to write them, well, that's silly! That's the same as saying you enjoy painting pictures, but despise looking at paintings by others. It's always good to get other ideas and try different game concepts.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Architect on Tue, 04 January 2011, 19:31:04
Quote from: EverythingIBM;272862
I disagree with responding to blue/green specifically (everyone's different). I would probably say red or yellow is responded to the best due to it being brighter: and as you just said, apple has their monitors bright for more reaction...

Generally I find colour tint to be annoying (green would probably be the best colour as our eyes can see more of it than any other: supposedly why night goggles are green), it's best to just tint glasses with something like black since it's a shade.

Also, if you're not interested in games but except to write them, well, that's silly! That's the same as saying you enjoy painting pictures, but despise looking at paintings by others. It's always good to get other ideas and try different game concepts.


Color sensitivity varies somewhat with the individual but as a race human color sensitivity peaks in the blue-green, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_vision) as you state.

On games, you take my analogy ad extremum and make an invalid argument. I did not say I despise playing game, but that I prefer writing them. I also enjoy writing scientific measurement software for my work, but there too I do not spend my free time making measurements.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: nowsharing on Wed, 05 January 2011, 10:48:36
Now you know what color Japanese bluegrass is. My linguistics professor referred to it as grue.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: nowsharing on Wed, 05 January 2011, 12:41:17
I thought that Miyazaki had died for a second. WOTH's from a different director though. Vely good film maker.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: nowsharing on Wed, 05 January 2011, 12:56:14
Ghibli's quality has always been top notch. Disney corp should be taking note. The Princess' Frog was great, but it's been a long time since they did anything comparable to what Studio Ghibli does regularly. IMHO at least.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Nadger on Fri, 07 January 2011, 01:26:11
My 26" IPS monitor is at 12% brightness, at 100% this thing will burn my renas and give me a tan.  I dont have the hardware to calibrate it, but some others who have my exact same monitor on Hardforum did, and i tried their settings and noticed a huge improvement.

Glasses like these just go to show you that you can sell anything to suckers.  Im sure they work somewhat, but they are completely unnecessary since you can get the same effects by changing your monitor settings if they are off.

Some of the best ways to get rich is to make something people dont need and convince them its required to be part of their daily lives.

I noticed that Shout has come out with a sheet you throw in your washer thats supposed to collect any color that runs from washing your clothes and it soaks it up instead of your other clothes.  Now that is genius...completely not necessary but you just created a product that is consumed by doing daily things and convinced people they need it when they don't.

Another recent one is dishwasher drying fluid...like Jetdry.  Completely unnecessary but made billions.

I had an idea for one after watching motocross with a friend.  Monitor screen tearoffs.  Dirt bike riders use tearoffs on their goggles as a quick easy way to clean their googles when they get covered in dust and they cant see as well.

Gamers and nerds are lazy, look at their desks...this prevents them from having to clean, and lets them sneeze all over their screen while playing counter-strike, and not have it interrupt their play!  Make monitor screen tearoffs and bam, you've created a useless product that people will buy, consume, and buy more.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: clickclack on Fri, 07 January 2011, 01:54:26
I have eye strain when looking at and working on varoius calibrated monitors for extended periods of time (and sometimes not so extended). Although it's not as bad as it was on CRTs.

A much larger factor in my opinion is that people don't take breaks and look at something further away every so often. I think not blinking enough is also a problem when concentrating that much.  Not to mention limiting ones movement so that the upper back and neck gets stiff causing headaches. It's just too much concentrated focusing (yeah you heard me).

I use higher contrast safety glasses at work and home from time to time as they ease some eye strain and very much help contrast with some slightly more critical work.

I don't game however, but it's always fun to see the specific marketing and/or technology that goes into it.

Looking at the descriptions for those glasses originally mentioned I couldn't help but feel sad when I saw this listed description/feature-
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14581&stc=1&d=1294386847)
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Scarzy on Tue, 25 January 2011, 03:39:12
Quote from: microsoft windows;267452
You don't need crazy gamma or brightness to see dark areas well. All you need is a CRT.


Really not sure about that, they lose their colour after a while and are generally darker for games in my opinion.

Recently picked up CSS again and trying I always get rolled by the guy low b tunnels on d2 because I can't see sh*t. :(
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: microsoft windows on Tue, 25 January 2011, 15:34:45
Good  CRT monitors can retain decent color for  years. One  of my favorites is a 16-year-old Trinitron from  Gateway2000.  The thing's old and ugly, but gets amazing color,  much better than  and  brand new LCD I've used.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Nadger on Tue, 25 January 2011, 17:58:29
I dont have a problem with brightness/contrast/gamma/color accuracy on my LCD, but its an IPS display, and for what I paid for it, i would expect there to be no issues.  Cheap TN+Film displays a few years ago had lots of accuracy/gamma issues, but they are getting better now.  My girlfriends 24" Acer TN display is way to strong on reds and I tweaked on it for hours trying to get it to look right and never could.

I had a 24" inch CRT before this monitor, that thing weighed 100lbs, it was nice but not as nice as this 26" IPS LCD.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Arc'xer on Wed, 26 January 2011, 00:01:15
Quote from: Nadger;284764
I had a 24" inch CRT before this monitor, that thing weighed 100lbs, it was nice but not as nice as this 26" IPS LCD.

Was it a GDM-FW900 (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=952788) because if it was, then there is something wrong with this statement. While an IPS comes close many who've used the FW900 still give it the advantage on many areas.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Nadger on Wed, 26 January 2011, 00:41:33
I believe it was an OEM version of this (http://www.amazon.com/HP-A7217A-24-CRT-Monitor/dp/B000078XLO)

Id have to look at the label on the back of it, but its still at my parents house sitting at the bottom of my old closet =p

My biggest issue with it were the lines horizontally down it on 2 parts of the monitor...the aperture-grille.  It was very noticable on solid colors of brighter hues.

Secondly it had worse pixel definition around the edges if i remember correctly.

And of course its size...it was very very deep.   You had to have  a lot of desk room for it and a strong sturdy desk to support it.  Moving that thing around wasnt fun either.  I remember carrying it upstairs to my room after it was shipped to me via DHL in a wooden crate.  The weight of it cut into my fingers on the sharp edges of its stand/base.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Arc'xer on Wed, 26 January 2011, 01:01:04
If it's the same exact as the FW900 with just a different body and buttons it really shouldn't have any issues to be fixed. In the Fw900 thread there's a long list of things to fix it using things.

Kinda a shame you bought what is considered by many as one of the best CRTs made. Sure it doesn't have the highest refresh rate compared to some of the other trinitron/diamontrons hitting in some cases 200hz but even those with the best IPS panels around still mention just how much better it is.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: RoboKrikit on Wed, 26 January 2011, 04:12:45
I have an FW900 and it is as good as everyone says it is.

The other day I was lamenting the fact that it was 16:10 and that the games I was playing were all 16:9.  On a hunch I delved into the menus, and upon selecting the Image Restore feature I noticed an unusual glint in the corner of the screen that I hadn't seen before.  My intuition told me to play a tune on my flute (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3188/2770417283_ab59b882db.jpg), and when I did, the earth shook, and right before my eyes my FW900 reformed itself into a 16:9 display.

Best monitor ever.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Scarzy on Wed, 26 January 2011, 07:33:46
Quote from: RoboKrikit;284991
I have an FW900 and it is as good as everyone says it is.

The other day I was lamenting the fact that it was 16:10 and that the games I was playing were all 16:9.  On a hunch I delved into the menus, and upon selecting the Image Restore feature I noticed an unusual glint in the corner of the screen that I hadn't seen before.  My intuition told me to play a tune on my flute (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3188/2770417283_ab59b882db.jpg), and when I did, the earth shook, and right before my eyes my FW900 reformed itself into a 16:9 display.

Best monitor ever.


Haha, the picture made it.

What year was it made? How long have you had it, and where did you get it from?
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Arc'xer on Wed, 26 January 2011, 14:45:28
Quote from: RoboKrikit;284991
The other day I was lamenting the fact that it was 16:10 and that the games I was playing were all 16:9.


It's not fixed to 16:10 only (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ9Tf1MLme8).
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: RoboKrikit on Wed, 26 January 2011, 17:44:27
Quote from: Arc'xer;285355
It's not fixed to 16:10 only (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ9Tf1MLme8).


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Quote from: Scarzy;285062
Haha, the picture made it.

What year was it made? How long have you had it, and where did you get it from?


Mine was made in Japan in April 2002.  My girlfriend at the time saw me drooling over it.  Come Christmas, a giant wooden crate arrived at our apartment, which looked like it probably housed a large feral cat.  But it was a GDM-FW900.  I married her.

You can see it tucked off in the corner of this terrible panorama I made of our old apartment in '03.

(http://i.imgur.com/JZM6il.jpg) (http://imgur.com/JZM6i.jpg)

Here it is being used in its former black-bar 16:9 mode before it physically transformed itself via Sony magic.

(http://i.imgur.com/dTrbVl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/dTrbV)
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 27 January 2011, 11:27:41
I like those Trinitron monitors. I have two: a 21" 3:4 Trinitron from 2004, and a 17" one from 1996. Both get excellent picture quality. I run the 21" one at 1600x1200, 100Hz and the 17" at 1024x768, 75Hz.

I used flat panels on some of my computers for a while, but eventually got rid of them and replaced them with some nice, sharp CRT's from about 2001-2002.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Jerri on Thu, 27 January 2011, 15:10:40
i had a trinitron TV, i loved it ;).
Anyways, try polarized lenses on LCDs, you might see nothing or some rainbowy colors.
Ok, besides the fun, i ged eyestrain, if my monitor's brightness, contrast, sharpness and colortemperature is to high. Maybe try a tad warmer color temperature and a bit lower brightness first to reduce the eyestrain?
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Arc'xer on Fri, 28 January 2011, 11:50:28
Quote from: Jerri;285905
i had a trinitron TV, i loved it ;).
Anyways, try polarized lenses on LCDs, you might see nothing or some rainbowy colors.
Ok, besides the fun, i ged eyestrain, if my monitor's brightness, contrast, sharpness and colortemperature is to high. Maybe try a tad warmer color temperature and a bit lower brightness first to reduce the eyestrain?

Many recommend a color temperature of around 6500K and a brightness of around 110-125cd/m2. Avoiding issues like you mentioned but really it depends on the person some people use really high brightnesses and contrast and just get used to it. In reality after a while people get used to it, I guess.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles.htm (http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles.htm) Check if there is a monitor profile for your LCD. Yeah it's not as good as calibrating with a puck or calibration tool, but it would help.
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: Jerri on Sat, 29 January 2011, 05:17:36
Yeah, i know, i calibrated my Screen with a DTP-94 to 2.2Gamma, 6500k and 120cd. I am heavily used to that (all my TVs, PC Monitors etc.), so i personally can't stand higher color temperatures and those brightness :).
Title: Gaming glasses
Post by: microsoft windows on Sat, 29 January 2011, 11:55:27
I  don't  like the higher color temperatures because they make the image  on the  monitor look too  blue.  6500k makes it nice and clear.