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Title: Got Filco Tenkeyless blue, can't not bottom out...
Post by: NewbieOneKenobi on Tue, 28 December 2010, 15:12:11
Hey, guys, I've just got the geek's dream and I can't not bottom out (which I learnt even on the linear blacks). Sure, if I really try, I can type without bottoming out, at least on the letter keys alone and even if I do press too much, it's hardly noticeable. But (typically with me), it's the spacebar that comes in the way. Anyway, did anybody else also get a similar problem in the beginning of using this particular type of keyboard? Do things improve after several days, then weeks of use?

Don't get me wrong, the keyboard feels great, I just worry about delivering so much artillery barrage (not like the sound itself is bad). If it weren't for the different spacebar sensation, I'd probably have an easier job adapting.
Title: Got Filco Tenkeyless blue, can't not bottom out...
Post by: sam113101 on Tue, 28 December 2010, 15:17:15
Don't try not to bottom out. Just type normally and it will come naturally.
I can type on blues without bottoming out, but I ALWAYS bottom out the spacebar.
My thumbs are stronger than the other fingers I guess (and it makes sense also).

Give your fingers some time to adapt.
Title: Got Filco Tenkeyless blue, can't not bottom out...
Post by: clack on Tue, 28 December 2010, 15:25:32
Quote from: sam113101;269918
Don't try not to bottom out. Just type normally and it will come naturally.
I can type on blues without bottoming out, but I ALWAYS bottom out the spacebar.
My thumbs are stronger than the other fingers I guess (and it makes sense also).

Give your fingers some time to adapt.


*looks at avatar*

heheh, I see what you did there
Title: Got Filco Tenkeyless blue, can't not bottom out...
Post by: bigpook on Tue, 28 December 2010, 15:27:31
Sounds like you just got the keyboard. It is going to take some time for you to adjust to it. Be patient. Like Sam says, just type naturally. Once you achieve oneness with the keyboard (IDNK) you will find yourself not bottoming out.
Title: Got Filco Tenkeyless blue, can't not bottom out...
Post by: squarebox on Tue, 28 December 2010, 19:35:13
Ducky keyboards use a stiffer switch for spacebar
E.G Ducky "Blue" use Green spacebar
Title: Got Filco Tenkeyless blue, can't not bottom out...
Post by: Minskleip on Tue, 28 December 2010, 19:52:13
Quote from: squarebox;270048
Ducky keyboards use a stiffer switch for spacebar
E.G Ducky "Blue" use Green spacebar


So does my cherry. You must dance on the key like a ducky on the sea.
Title: Got Filco Tenkeyless blue, can't not bottom out...
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Tue, 28 December 2010, 20:09:12
I usually say the following:

Not bottoming out is a bit like sleep. The more you want to sleep, the harder it gets to fall asleep. Forget about not bottoming out and type away. When you get used to the keyboard after having spent some time on it, you'll find yourself bottoming out less heavily. I say bottoming out less heavily because most people do bottom out, but some bottom out more heavily than others, depending on many factors: how often you rotate your keyboads, how fast you type, how fast you are trying to type, etc.
Title: Got Filco Tenkeyless blue, can't not bottom out...
Post by: NewbieOneKenobi on Wed, 29 December 2010, 18:16:54
Okay, I'll just use it and compare later. Thanks, guys. After all, I remember the blacks felt absolutely awkward in the beginning and I ultimately learnt to type very lightly and still score hits (without getting distracted, delayed or anything by the feedback, although I truly didn't always know I had scored the hit), to the point typing stuff on it became a pleasure (and there was like several times less fatigue). Using this Filco unit is already a pleasure from the beginning, so let's see how it feels when the awkwardness wears off.
Title: Got Filco Tenkeyless blue, can't not bottom out...
Post by: db_Iodine on Wed, 29 December 2010, 22:53:49
Quote from: patrickgeekhack;270068
I usually say the following:

Not bottoming out is a bit like sleep. The more you want to sleep, the harder it gets to fall asleep. Forget about not bottoming out and type away. When you get used to the keyboard after having spent some time on it, you'll find yourself bottoming out less heavily. I say bottoming out less heavily because most people do bottom out, but some bottom out more heavily than others, depending on many factors: how often you rotate your keyboads, how fast you type, how fast you are trying to type, etc.


Oh damn, I forgot to go to sleep this night.. Well there's always another chance.

I've also noticed that when I try to type my fastest, I bottom out more than when I type at a comfortable speed.
Title: Got Filco Tenkeyless blue, can't not bottom out...
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Thu, 30 December 2010, 08:08:32
Quote from: db_Iodine;270566

I've also noticed that when I try to type my fastest, I bottom out more than when I type at a comfortable speed.


I have noticed this too and realised that it quite easy to explain:

When you are typing at your comfortable speed, you are more relaxed. But when you are type as fast as you can, you are getting out of your comfort zone and take you level one step further.
Title: Got Filco Tenkeyless blue, can't not bottom out...
Post by: ynih on Thu, 30 December 2010, 11:40:00
I've found the fast I type and the more I concentrate on what I'm actually typing, and less about how I'm typing...I notice I don't bottom out quite as much.  But then at that same time, I notice I haven't been bottoming out, so I, instinctively begin to bottom out again, :(
Title: Got Filco Tenkeyless blue, can't not bottom out...
Post by: NewbieOneKenobi on Thu, 30 December 2010, 19:47:55
Quote from: db_Iodine;270566
Oh damn, I forgot to go to sleep this night.. Well there's always another chance.

I've also noticed that when I try to type my fastest, I bottom out more than when I type at a comfortable speed.


Happens to me also and then I notice I'm not typing that much more slowly if at all, and possibly faster.

Sorry to hear about your sleep. I have problems with that too. Went to sleep before 9 pm tonight because of being so sleepy and woke up before midnight, ended up playing Starcraft 2 on hard towards the applicable achievements. Sigh.

One other thing I notice about this Filco baby is that it doesn't seem to slow me down so much (subjective feeling with some other keyboards), as much as I can't keep up the accuracy I want when typing at the speed this keyboard allows. Most of the time, at least. Sometimes I do feel the slowdown (not as much as on the M, where keys are heavier).

Plus, I've already got used to the US enter (I have like 13 keyboards with the UK layout) and the lack of the numerical one, getting used to relying on alpha for mathematical operators. Easier to get the keyboard centred, too. Even possible to use a wristrest this way. Definitely appreciate the small form factor despite how my desk hadn't appeared so cluttered to me. It also feels I can easily take this keyboard anywhere I want with me.

Oh, and kinda wondering how a tenkeyless Filco with browns must feel.