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Title: Got my noppoo choc mini. First thing i test...
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 30 December 2010, 16:15:10

(http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc391/10100110101010100101010101100001011010100001010101/noppoo/b7e11492.jpg)
(http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc391/10100110101010100101010101100001011010100001010101/noppoo/83acb980.jpg)

i always wondering does the NKRO work under USB.
read a lot of review, but never really try it myself.
so... here it goes.
i just test it out.....

result:
Not a valid youtube URL

very impressed~

full review
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:13825 (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:13825)

Title: Got my noppoo choc mini. First thing i test...
Post by: Soarer on Thu, 30 December 2010, 16:25:30

Now you just need to learn how to stop giving that backspace key such a workout!! :-p

So, is this the first NKRO USB keyboard in the wild? Finally! :-)

Does it work in BIOS?

Title: Got my noppoo choc mini. First thing i test...
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 30 December 2010, 16:26:50

Quote from: Soarer;270825

Now you just need to learn how to stop giving that backspace key such a workout!! :-p

So, is this the first NKRO USB keyboard in the wild? Finally! :-)

Does it work in BIOS?

they layout is a little different then the regular keyboard,
i still not use to it lol.
keep typing the wrong words.
let me try it on bios see if it works.

Title: Got my noppoo choc mini. First thing i test...
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 30 December 2010, 16:34:35

alright tested, it works fine in BIOS. works great!

Title: Got my noppoo choc mini. First thing i test...
Post by: BlueRain on Thu, 30 December 2010, 16:38:23

Wow. Epic, tempted...

Title: Got my noppoo choc mini. First thing i test...
Post by: Soarer on Thu, 30 December 2010, 16:47:26

Quote from: fssbzz;270832

alright tested, it works fine in BIOS. works great!

Thanks!

Shame they don't do an ISO version, it's a really nice looking keyboard :-/

Title: Got my noppoo choc mini. First thing i test...
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 30 December 2010, 16:59:21

review will be up pretty soon...

Title: Got my noppoo choc mini. First thing i test...
Post by: stuiees on Thu, 30 December 2010, 17:03:36

Cant say for certain, but I had a HHKB Pro that I think had full NKRO.  I could hold down 12 keys at a time with them still being able to register.  This was the original HHKB Pro not the Pro2.  I never did run a "real" test however.

Title: Got my noppoo choc mini. First thing i test...
Post by: ManjyomeThunder on Thu, 30 December 2010, 17:04:58

Need this. So badly.

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Post by: AndrewZorn on Thu, 30 December 2010, 18:11:10

Okay, so I ask again, what is a good way to get one?  Because I already really wanted one, and didn't even previously know it had USB NKRO.

I recently stopped using my HHKB due to accidental build cancelling in SC2 going too far (Esc is right next to 1) and this layout fixes that.  Still has Ctrl option, and has a number pad too... and Cherry Brown, just what I need.  Quality plastic.  This thing looks SO PERFECT.

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Post by: duq on Thu, 30 December 2010, 18:22:50

I think the brown text is spiffy. Youtube action vids plz!

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Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 30 December 2010, 18:24:40

doing review now.
this thing....is PERFECT~ Quality is L33T!!

Title: Got my noppoo choc mini. First thing i test...
Post by: msiegel on Thu, 30 December 2010, 18:32:18

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14397&stc=1&d=1293755512)

Title: Got my noppoo choc mini. First thing i test...
Post by: BlueRain on Thu, 30 December 2010, 18:33:03

So did you get it via an agent or some other channel?

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Post by: jaynoon on Thu, 30 December 2010, 19:23:40

Didn't realize these things were so cheap on Taobao.. Wouldn't be too bad w/ the agent fee I would think.

Are the keys lasered with pad printed fronts?

Title: Got my noppoo choc mini. First thing i test...
Post by: AndrewZorn on Thu, 30 December 2010, 19:36:25

Please someone tell me how to get one of these...

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Post by: ManjyomeThunder on Thu, 30 December 2010, 19:40:54

This is like, my perfect keyboard. I must have it. Details on obtaining pl0x.

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Post by: BlueRain on Thu, 30 December 2010, 19:43:17

Well, World Wide Shopping recommends Obook as an agent, seems to be the route to go unless you have other connections.

I was just curious what fssbzz used.

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Post by: jaynoon on Thu, 30 December 2010, 19:47:42

I know he just received some KBC keycaps via taobao/agent recently, although didnt ask which agent he used.

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Post by: Orphagn on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:04:49

Would be nice to figure out what agent he used and total cost :]

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Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:05:45

cool down, i will let you guys know once my review is done.
DAMN, keep getting distract by you all.
haha

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Post by: Doober on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:09:41

Wild guess but through OBOOK he probably payed ~$110-145 depending on shipping method

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Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:09:49

IMO, it is not really ugly. but really i can say that i found a perfect compact cherry mx keyboard. that i want.
almost done my review. check out the review page.

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Post by: ManjyomeThunder on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:09:57

Quote from: ripster;270897

I'll calm them down.

This has got to be one of the ugliest keyboards I've ever seen.  The keys are a combo of sewer water and Korean Kolor Koordination.

You sound like a Mac user. Screw aesthetics, it's small and uses Cherry switches, and somehow has magical USB NKRO.

If the build quality is decent, this may be the last keyboard I buy for a WHILE. (Until I eventually experience oneness with cup rubber).

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Post by: Orphagn on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:18:28

Well since they keyboard has MX switches i'll just switch out the caps if I don't like them.

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Post by: quadibloc on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:21:38

I don't think I'm in a position to run out and buy one right now, but it is one I would like; the arrangement of the keys is acceptable, and so a modern miniature keyboard with tactile feel mechanical switches at a reasonable price is obviously worth getting.

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Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:23:08

Review Done
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:13825&redirect=no

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Post by: jaynoon on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:25:42

Quote from: ripster;270897

I'll calm them down.

This has got to be one of the ugliest keyboards I've ever seen.  The keys are a combo of sewer water and Korean Kolor Koordination.

Dunno, the layout reminds me of the Deck 82 which is aggressively ugly even with the lights off and has only Black switches. It makes this look like the one true HHKB alternative.

My only concern would be weight/solidness, cuz I would want one w/ blues and don't want it pinging and rattling all over the place.

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Post by: BlueRain on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:27:31

Thanks for the review. I'll put in the order with my connections. :)

Quote from: fssbzz;270906

Review Done
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:13825&redirect=no

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Post by: AndrewZorn on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:36:08

ok 125 shipped holy crap please direct me, your review is very long and pictureful

do you need drivers for the NKRO USB?

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Post by: msiegel on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:38:03

that ugly little thing looks great :D

i declare: mini is the new tenkeyless!

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Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:39:30

Quote from: AndrewZorn;270921

ok 125 shipped holy crap please direct me, your review is very long and pictureful

do you need drivers for the NKRO USB?

ya, $125 shipped to my house using EMS all the way from CHINA.
still very impressed with the build quality even it is made in CHINA.

Nope, just plug in, and it auto install driver, and BAM u good to go.

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Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:43:46

(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9484/capturepiz.png)

this is what in my device manager.
i only plug in 1 keyboard. lol

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Post by: Soarer on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:44:19

Quote from: ripster;270926

Probably exactly the same way Microsoft did NKRO over USB.

No. It doesn't hit the same Windows bug as the X4, so it looks like they've implemented it better. X4 wasn't NKRO anyways.

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Post by: BlueRain on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:49:21

Thought X4 was NKRO, but it would add keys (bug) past more than 11 keys? But it would still detect all the keys that were pressed.

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Post by: ManjyomeThunder on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:51:39

Quote from: fssbzz;270925

ya, $125 shipped to my house using EMS all the way from CHINA.
still very impressed with the build quality even it is made in CHINA.

Nope, just plug in, and it auto install driver, and BAM u good to go.

Where is your actual location and how long did shipping take? :0

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Post by: skartt on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:53:31

so this means my unit should also arrive soon :)

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Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:53:58

Quote from: ManjyomeThunder;270933

Where is your actual location and how long did shipping take? :0

united states.
it took around 8~9 days.
because of the Christmas break.
and EMS service cut off since 16th of December.
so i have to wait until 26th, and they start the shipping
and i got it today.
i put my order in on 21st Dec.

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Post by: ManjyomeThunder on Thu, 30 December 2010, 20:56:19

Quote from: fssbzz;270936

united states.
it took around 8~9 days.
because of the Christmas break.
and EMS service cut off since 16th of December.
so i have to wait until 26th, and they start the shipping
and i got it today.
i put my order in on 21st Dec.

Oh my, I think I'll have to order one then. In completely unrelated news, a GeekHack Space Saver may soon be up for sale >_>

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Post by: AndrewZorn on Thu, 30 December 2010, 21:07:13

just asked for a price quote on a brown AND black... here it goes...

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Post by: Soarer on Thu, 30 December 2010, 21:18:57

Quote from: BlueRain;270931

Thought X4 was NKRO, but it would add keys (bug) past more than 11 keys? But it would still detect all the keys that were pressed.

They claimed something like 26 total keys at once, of which about 18 could be normal keys, IIRC. In other words, plenty, but not N :-)

The problem after 11 or so keys was found to be a bug in the Windows drivers, apparently MS are working on a fix...

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Post by: Nadger on Thu, 30 December 2010, 21:43:07

Quote from: fssbzz;270826

they layout is a little different then the regular keyboard,
i still not use to it lol.
keep typing the wrong words.
let me try it on bios see if it works.

Can you give an example of what errors you find yourself making going from your tenkeyless/fullsize boards to this?

Looking at the layout and its pretty close to standard.  Trying to see what might cause typing errors.

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Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 30 December 2010, 21:47:16

Quote from: Nadger;270953

Can you give an example of what errors you find yourself making going from your tenkeyless/fullsize boards to this?

Looking at the layout and its pretty close to standard.  Trying to see what might cause typing errors.

i guess, the ugly truth is me.
using only 3 fingers to type. lol
never learn touch type before.

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Post by: Nadger on Thu, 30 December 2010, 21:52:00

Found this bit on dismantling it:

Its in chinglish but it may help:

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14412&stc=1&d=1293767491)

Title: Got my noppoo choc mini. First thing i test...
Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 30 December 2010, 22:01:12

Quote from: Nadger;270957

Found this bit on dismantling it:

Its in chinglish but it may help:

Show Image

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14412&stc=1&d=1293767491)

http://www.thenoppoo.com/china/content.asp?id=120&Page=3
ok i got it.
they are screwless design
That's cool.
i probably wait till tmr to dismantle it.

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Post by: Soarer on Thu, 30 December 2010, 22:07:50

Quote from: ripster;270959

So this means this keyboard would also have the same "bug" wouldn't it?  

No, it looks like they programmed it differently. Probably the same way that hasu, I, and others have done it - with a bitfield for all keys. (There's only so many ways to do it).

Quote from: ripster;270959

Pretty insignificant I'd say.  Not that many people need more than 6 + 4 modifier Key Rollover anyway.

Sigh. We know. But 6 will never equal N, however insignificant you find it.

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Post by: Nadger on Thu, 30 December 2010, 22:09:02

You do know you are going to have to write a step by step translated guide for ordering from taobao now right?

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Post by: fssbzz on Thu, 30 December 2010, 22:11:20

i suggest email obook@yahoo.cn
said: hey, i want to purchase something from taobao.
but i don't know how.
can you walk me tru it?
they will reply you the whole process and help you with it.
:D
and

http://www.myobook.net