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Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Fri, 07 January 2011, 14:36:36: You could say this is my very first mechanical keyboard. I did have an IBM board with buckling springs but got thrown away.

But here it is… my new keyboard from Zowie Gear, I present to you, the speed of light...that’s right Celeritas!

Tada!

(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030087.jpg?t=1295134454)

(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030100.jpg?t=1295134510)

The brown switches are exactly what I expected them to be. Though I was a bit worried about the actuation force wasn’t into my liking but they are actually great, just a gentle push but still a very light feel of resistance before actuation.

I can’t tell what method had been used to make the prints on the keycaps but I would be glad if anyone could tell. I can feel the print though…hopefully they don’t wear off easily.

Along with the keyboard it came with a USB to PS/2 adapter to enable full key rollover and the RTR technology.
The RTR technology simply gives a “faster” response time when you bottom out a key. For instance if you have it set to 8x it will repeat the letter 8 times when you press and hold down a key. I can’t tell how it is beneficial for gaming in general or for any specific game?

Another feature which is useful though is that you can define the left windows key to a ctrl key, makes it perfect for any games that do not already disable the windows key and when you do so, the color on the logo will change from red to blue…pretty neat.

Lastly it has media keys which are convenient…
My last comment is it feels very solid and it is heavy but well rooted to my desk. The light from the logo is very soft and if you dislike it you can easily turn it off.
If I should point out a flaw it would be that a key or 2 does not sit straight in its place along with the other ones but it’s not noticeable for most people if not all but I am the kind of guy who wants everything to be perfect and when I see a “flaw” I become obsessed with it. All switches work perfectly, no irregularities between switches!

UPDATE: My experience with this keyboard when gaming(29th jan 2011):

Since this keyboard is intended for gaming I will give my opinion with that in mind. My previous keyboard was a ex110 Logitech, a wireless keyboard and I found out it wasnt the best one for gaming when keeping a fast and accurate pace due to a huge latency/response, however very convenient as a media keyboard.

When playing Starcraft 2 I want a keyboard that responds accurately and I can be assured that the keys has been pressed and registered. A small flaw like a key does not register when keeping a fast pace in the game can be severely devastating for pro gamers, it can ruin your macro play and even so with your micro. I can tell why many people wants a keyboard with a tactile feel and even with an audio response. I dont use the extra ctrl button or the RTR tech, since I dont find it beneficial, perhaps with the extra ctrl button but noting else

Compared to my rubber dome keyboard, this was definitely an improvement because my old keyboard tends to not register, because many of the keys requires more force or needs to be buttom out to register.

During any fps games, like dod/cs source this keyboard is great as well. Very responsive and they Zowie claim that it gives a faster response by enabling RTR technology. Wheter or not it do so this is still an improvement. However as you want a very fine response with your movement, it can be a bit tricky because of the increasd resistance before actuation, might lose a bit there. This would be more of a personal preference. Perhaps this is why people recommend getting a keyboard with black switches. Though black switches tends to exhaust your fingers faster than of mx brown due to force requirement.

Besides from all the gaming, it really is a joy to type on it. It is a very versatile keyboard and you cant go wrong with mx brown switches if you want to start with a mechanical keyboard.

Red Logo
(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030096.jpg?t=1295134607)

Blue Logo
(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030097.jpg?t=1295134623)

Can anyone tell me if these keycaps on Celeritas have the same shape as the ones from a Filco Majestouch? I am thinking of getting a red escape and wasd keys for my Celeritas

(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030091.jpg?t=1295134775)

(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030095.jpg?t=1295134824)

(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030108.jpg?t=1295134848)

[size=+2]Added some extra pictures with red escape keys[/size][/B]

(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030119.jpg?t=1295134887)

(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030120.jpg?t=1295134923)

(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030124.jpg?t=1295134971)

(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030125.jpg?t=1295135021)

[size=+2]Update of the keyboard 27-01-2011[/size][/B]

People have been having issue with the key letters including me, that they tend to get dirty more faster than of a pad printed key. These letters on the nylon keys are lasered but non coated, and therefore they get darkened by sweat/dirt. Here is a picture of how it looks like after a week of use from my part. Other people did mention they had their keys get dark as well by 4 hours of use..depending on how greasy/sweaty your fingers are...but...F.E.A.R not, by using Isopropyl 99% and a cloth, you can wipe/clean your keys so your key letters will look as good as new and if you happen to have this sort of issue and you are in Denmark, a can of Isopropyl 99% can be bought at any "Matas store". Price tag is currently 36 DKK(jan 2011) for 500ml.

(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030152.jpg?t=1296140817)

A solution to this problem could be to change the keys to wasd filco keys, if these are the most used keys, however some of them may not fit as some of them may stick above the original keys. These red wasd keys are made by Filco. I believe the problem lies with the with the lenght of the stem on the back of the keys but I would say that if you do file it down to a proper lenght it will fit, however I can not tell if it will affect the stability on the key. There is a difference of about 1 mm. The "D" letter do fit however but "W" "A" "S" keys do not...

(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030169.jpg?t=1296141758)

(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030172.jpg?t=1296141504)

[size=+2]And here is a short video of how the keyboard sounds like when typing on the metal plate from Zowie Gear[/size][/B]
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: db_Iodine on Fri, 07 January 2011, 15:39:27: I'm not too sure about key caps but those wasd sets aren't all that expensive, so you might as well buy the set and report if they are the same profile. You could also take some close ups of the Zowie keys that ripster could add to the key wiki. Like this:

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9744&stc=1&d=1273172379)
Picture taken from the key wiki.

Edit: Glad it has an option to turn those ugly lights on that logo off.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: guilleguillaume on Fri, 07 January 2011, 15:42:14: I think you're the first one to get this keyboard on Geehhack.

How does the MX Brown feel for you? Are you happy with them?

I actually don't like that the Led on the Keys it's shown with that line just because I prefer the Realforce way with only one circle.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: speakeasy on Fri, 07 January 2011, 15:44:09: That is one strange Enter key. Is that layout standard in Denmark or something?
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: Twitchy on Fri, 07 January 2011, 16:22:52: Quote from: speakeasy;274821
That is one strange Enter key. Is that layout standard in Denmark or something?
Not that strange is it? Here's the wikipedia page on keyboard layouts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout). How many country's have that enter key? More than you'd expect!
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: db_Iodine on Fri, 07 January 2011, 16:35:07: Yeah that weird Enter is actually the ISO-style enter. Not that weird really.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: speakeasy on Fri, 07 January 2011, 16:45:46: Quote from: Twitchy;274844
Not that strange is it? Here's the wikipedia page on keyboard layouts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout). How many country's have that enter key? More than you'd expect!

Ha, so then it's my enter key which is strange :P
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: fssbzz on Fri, 07 January 2011, 16:48:00: looks pretty cool~
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Fri, 07 January 2011, 16:54:32: Quote from: db_Iodine;274814
I'm not too sure about key caps but those wasd sets aren't all that expensive, so you might as well buy the set and report if they are the same profile. You could also take some close ups of the Zowie keys that ripster could add to the key wiki. Like this:

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9744&stc=1&d=1273172379)

Picture taken from the key wiki.

Edit: Glad it has an option to turn those ugly lights on that logo off.

Reason I need to know if they fit before I buy them is that im not too fond about paying the shipment cost which cost me more than twice as much than the items itself, If I purchase the items from keyboardco.

The light is so freaking fancy.. I just dont hate it, nor do I love it.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Fri, 07 January 2011, 17:06:17: Quote from: guilleguillaume;274817
I think you're the first one to get this keyboard on Geehhack.

How does the MX Brown feel for you? Are you happy with them?

I actually don't like that the Led on the Keys it's shown with that line just because I prefer the Realforce way with only one circle.

The keyboard should have been released in Denmark since 10th december, but became available since the 5th january.

As I mentioned earlier in another thread I would love to have a Filco or Leopold or even Das Keyboard, but since Zowie released their keyboard with browns and with danish Layout, the choice was obvious.

But this keyboard is great! the browns feels great, as I expected them to be! Feels light when pressing them down, yet a small force before actuation, I can feel it in my fingers....

I am overall very happy with it! Even with all the light it feels solid. Im just curious aobut the durability on the keycaps since they are made of nylon...
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Fri, 07 January 2011, 17:11:13: Quote from: ripster;274861
If you push E, then M, do you get C twice?

This is an Einstein Celeritas joke.

Compare your Escape key to the back row key profiles in the Key Reference Wiki.

(http://www.paulbaker-caricaturist.com/admin/pics/p_zoom_albert_einstein_caricature.jpg)

Thanks for advice ill try and compare
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: toast on Fri, 07 January 2011, 17:17:48: I've been eying that new Leopold but this looks pretty nice too.

Where did you get it from?
Anyone know places that stock this keyboard?
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Fri, 07 January 2011, 17:23:43: Quote from: toast;274871
I've been eying that new Leopold but this looks pretty nice too.

Where did you get it from?
Anyone know places that stock this keyboard?

I got it from a danish webstore since it went on sale with our layout!

If you look on Zowie Gear Website, you can see which countries sells their products.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: laden3 on Fri, 07 January 2011, 17:35:50: Are those nylon keys?
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: toast on Fri, 07 January 2011, 17:38:06: Quote from: dxong;274876
I got it from a danish webstore since it went on sale with our layout!

If you look on Zowie Gear Website, you can see which countries sells their products.

Thanks. All of the Canadian and the US webstores which stock Zowie don't have the keyboard listed yet. Suppose it's just that new. : P Drat.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Fri, 07 January 2011, 17:39:13: yup they are nylon keys
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Thu, 13 January 2011, 11:28:32: So I just received my package from Keyboardco with red escape keys and bought some extra goodies as well, a filco key puller and wasd red keys since I already payed alot for the shipment.

Here is some picture of it...

(http://peecee.dk/uploads/012011/P1030119_big_thumb.JPG)

(http://peecee.dk/uploads/012011/P1030124_big_thumb.JPG)

(http://peecee.dk/uploads/012011/P1030120_big_thumb.JPG)

Though for some reason the wasd keys wont get in place, so they stick like a few mm above all the other keys, they looke identical both in shape and size but ill try measure it to give a more accurate conclusion.

Made a video to see how it sounds like on the metal board from zowie.

EDIT: the pictures from this post have been moved to first post.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: ajx on Thu, 13 January 2011, 23:54:05: what u think about it?
does it feel nice in game?
i cant choose between this and a filco majestouch

a filco one has a higher cost but they both pretty built
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: whiteweazel21 on Fri, 14 January 2011, 01:18:59: So out of curiosity...if you set the keyboard to 2x, opening up notepad or equivalent, and say pressed the key "a", what would happen?

Would yo just get an "a", "aa", or "aaa"?
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: whiteweazel21 on Fri, 14 January 2011, 02:58:01: Although I suppose that wouldn't work...depending how long you have to hold the key for the RTR to register. I wonder if it works if you just tap it?

I can see some use for 2x RTR in gaming but not if you couldn't easily toggle it on and off. I wonder if you used a third party macro program if you could toggle the RTR on/off or if they key actually has to be depressed.

From the sound clip, it the key actuations sound way more solid than any other cherry brown keyboards I've listened to, I like that.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: Tony on Fri, 14 January 2011, 03:23:23: Wow. the typing sound is very tactile and noisy for brown keyboard. I thought it was a keyboard with blue switches.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Fri, 14 January 2011, 12:59:52: Quote from: ajx;278338
what u think about it?
does it feel nice in game?
i cant choose between this and a filco majestouch

a filco one has a higher cost but they both pretty built

woah filco cost you more than a zowie celeritas? 0.o

well i guess the price range depends on your nationality, EU or US?

I have never tried a filco keyboard, so I cant say if there is any noticeable difference or even the build quality.

But I can tell you that my keyboard feels very solid and there is no irregularities between switches when you press them down.

As I mentioned earlier a few keys looks like they got misplaced when they soldered the switches on the board, but they arent noticeable when you are typing or perhaps some people wont find it a problem or notice them at all.

If the price is the same, why not go with Zowie Celeritas, you get additional features, like media keys which are worth mentioning. their RTR technology, I cant say if that is beneficial in any games since I am entirely sure it gives a faster response in fps game. I saw a video on youtube.
Not a valid youtube URL

comparing the difference between 1x vs 8x but does not seem valid to me.

If you dont need the media keys you might as well go for filco so you wont feel any regret not getting a filco because of its popularity and its quality.

tough decision aye?
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Fri, 14 January 2011, 13:18:36: Quote from: whiteweazel21;278364
So out of curiosity...if you set the keyboard to 2x, opening up notepad or equivalent, and say pressed the key "a", what would happen?

Would yo just get an "a", "aa", or "aaa"?

if you have it set to 8x and hold and press down a key, you will get that key repeated 8x as fast. So if you press and hold down "a" key it will be repeated 8x as fast ("aaaaaaaa") than it would for a regular keyboard. Nothing happens if you just tap it.

Quote from: Tony;278388
Wow. the typing sound is very tactile and noisy for brown keyboard. I thought it was a keyboard with blue switches.

I guess you wont call it "light touch" when im typing or perhaps it just gives a very solid and sound tactile when you buttom out the key. Perhaps it has to do with the plate, since in my opinion the plate/keyboard feels very heavy but I cant compare it since I dont own another keyboard like a filco for comparison.

However I do know that blue switches gives a very distinct and sharp clicky sound when they actuates it certainly cant be a blue, It would be like a rare find!
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Fri, 14 January 2011, 13:34:37: Quote from: ripster;278480
So what do nylon keys feel like? The only nylon hard plastic in my house (not clothlike) are these screws.
Show Image
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31Mxou9RZ-L._SL500_AA300_PIcountsize-100,TopRight,0,0_AA300_SH20_.jpg)

So yea I got the red escape keys and wasd keys from filco for a comparison.

The red escape key feels smooth when your hand is dry.

With the nylon keys feels smooth as well but has a very fine roughness to it, maybe they some sort of coating?

I am not sure but when my finger got a bit sticky and sweaty I tried rubbing the escape keys and it tends to get stuck and make this rubbing sound but with the nylon keys it still feels smooth with no stucking and rubbing sound...

But again I dont know if the filco keys are made like the escape keys but this is the only comparison I can give you.

Hope this can clarify a bit how they are like.

I do have a question when it comes to cleaning on nylon keys? What should I be using, like a regular alcohol fluid?

Oh I am sorry there is no pictures :S The uploading site seems to be down...perhaps not the best site/server.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Fri, 14 January 2011, 13:48:52: Quote from: ripster;278609
99% Isopropyl should be fine.

Lol - in this solvent resistance chart they even list Soy Sauce. (http://k-mac-plastics.net/data%20sheets/nylon_chemical_resistance_chart.htm)

sweet got plenty of soy sauce but I would probably be licking my keys all day
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: ajx on Sat, 15 January 2011, 03:29:04: Quote from: dxong;278578
woah filco cost you more than a zowie celeritas? 0.o

well i guess the price range depends on your nationality, EU or US?

I have never tried a filco keyboard, so I cant say if there is any noticeable difference or even the build quality.

But I can tell you that my keyboard feels very solid and there is no irregularities between switches when you press them down.

As I mentioned earlier a few keys looks like they got misplaced when they soldered the switches on the board, but they arent noticeable when you are typing or perhaps some people wont find it a problem or notice them at all.

If the price is the same, why not go with Zowie Celeritas, you get additional features, like media keys which are worth mentioning. their RTR technology, I cant say if that is beneficial in any games since I am entirely sure it gives a faster response in fps game. I saw a video on youtube.
Not a valid youtube URL

comparing the difference between 1x vs 8x but does not seem valid to me.

If you dont need the media keys you might as well go for filco so you wont feel any regret not getting a filco because of its popularity and its quality.

tough decision aye?

i am european and yeah Filco does cost more then Celeritas
its fully depend of exchange rates betwwen euro and sterling
as you may know, filco is only dispatched out through that great website, keyboardco
actually you may pay more due to customs duty

sump:
celeritas = 130 euros around including shipping
filco= 155 euros not including customs duty

i ve eventually ordered for a celeritas (they, keyboardco have currently out of the stock about filco or a few quantity only)
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: CeeSA on Sat, 15 January 2011, 05:15:51: here is a review:
http://www.xsreviews.co.uk/reviews/peripherals/zowie-celeritas/1
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Sat, 15 January 2011, 06:13:56: Quote from: ajx;278923
i am european and yeah Filco does cost more then Celeritas
its fully depend of exchange rates betwwen euro and sterling
as you may know, filco is only dispatched out through that great website, keyboardco
actually you may pay more due to customs duty

sump:
celeritas = 130 euros around including shipping
filco= 155 euros not including customs duty

i ve eventually ordered for a celeritas (they, keyboardco have currently out of the stock about filco or a few quantity only)

And I bet you will not regret getting one :)
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Sat, 15 January 2011, 06:25:30: Quote from: CeeSA;278934
here is a review:
http://www.xsreviews.co.uk/reviews/peripherals/zowie-celeritas/1

hilarious... he actually avoided mention the RTR tech stuff but that is understandable, because how does it make any difference/beneficial in fps games? Is there some sort of faster output into the PC when enabling it?

Anyway a personal review of the keyboard is always great.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Sat, 15 January 2011, 13:07:40: Quote from: ripster;278978
Ugh. They plug OCN instead of Geekhack.

#2 in Google Image search for "Meanwhile At OCN".
Show Image
(http://gunningforthetruth.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/sheep.jpg)

woah crushing blow

(http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/onestepahead/knockout.png)
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: Arc'xer on Sat, 15 January 2011, 15:18:04: Quote from: dxong;278946
hilarious... he actually avoided mention the RTR tech stuff but that is understandable, because how does it make any difference/beneficial in fps games? Is there some sort of faster output into the PC when enabling it?

Anyway a personal review of the keyboard is always great.

Most of those sites always post gimmicky reviews with lack of in-depth information. I think they are just there to get free stuff and or get easy money, maybe scams to boost the ratings of a product. You know quick and dirty reviews making the product look like "Whoa".

This is what RTR does it acts like the arcade stick repeaters. The video you posted shows a difference if you pause the video. The 8x is actually slightly faster but the difference is very negligible and I could be wrong but there seems signs of engine command limitations or possibly some sort of framerate-to-command limit since the quake engine(goldsrc) utilizes framerates dependent physics and networking(just like the other quake engines).
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: ScorpioEF on Mon, 17 January 2011, 11:50:15: Hi all,

I've just bought this keyboard, overall it's a good keyboard but the key's wearing is very cheap (or it's just mine).
I have played a game about 4 hours and the result...

(http://i52.tinypic.com/2wgstas.jpg)
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: ScorpioEF on Mon, 17 January 2011, 12:14:54: Yeah I think I will change it for a Filco. A keyboard at this price shouldn't have fault like this.

But a Filco it's very hard to find in Europe...
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: ajx on Mon, 17 January 2011, 12:19:24: Quote from: ScorpioEF;279920
Yeah I think I will change it for a Filco. A keyboard at this price shouldn't have fault like this.

But a Filco it's very hard to find in Europe...

french filco is going to be dispatch out very soon
end of feb if i am correct
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: ajx on Mon, 17 January 2011, 12:22:22: Quote from: ripster;279921
A lot easier to find than in the USA.

through EK?
keyboardco is only one that can supply in Europe
fact it s aint enough according to many demands for filco mech keyboards
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: ScorpioEF on Mon, 17 January 2011, 12:30:54: I have just seen it, they say mid-february.
Hope they will have stock.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Tue, 18 January 2011, 09:29:45: Quote from: ScorpioEF;279905
Hi all,

I've just bought this keyboard, overall it's a good keyboard but the key's wearing is very cheap (or it's just mine).
I have played a game about 4 hours and the result...

Show Image
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2wgstas.jpg)

Tried to take a picture of a similar problem with my keyboard as well but my camera does not work well.

But Im dissapointed too, considering the price this is not acceptable at all. Now I have to keep a monthly cleaning at minimum...
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Tue, 18 January 2011, 10:17:06: Here is a picture, not the best but a closer look...

BTW I noticed that there was a group buy to get a set of keycaps, does it include danish layout as well because I could be getting a set of those, and return this keyboard and purchase a filco or das keyboard UK version "blank" and replace them with danish layouts if possible?

(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030152.jpg?t=1295366997)
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: ajx on Thu, 20 January 2011, 14:19:25: wasd are also wearing out
damn it seems to be like a new record
after less then 1 hour of gaming around
i'd ask about wasd keycaps
do filco blank or wasd keycaps be match with any other mecha keyboard such as celeritas?
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: Newzald on Thu, 20 January 2011, 14:32:38: Quote from: ScorpioEF;279905
Hi all,

I've just bought this keyboard, overall it's a good keyboard but the key's wearing is very cheap (or it's just mine).
I have played a game about 4 hours and the result...

Well i got my Steelseries 6GV2 a few days ago and the gaming keycaps are also faded by now, and it started on the first day... You can still see the letters properly, but you also do clearly see a big difference between the gaming caps and the rest of the keyboard. I don't mind much, as i don't tend to look at my keyboard when i type or play, but it's true that it isn't as pretty now as it was when i unpacked it.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Fri, 21 January 2011, 04:08:20: Quote from: Newzald;281819
Well i got my Steelseries 6GV2 a few days ago and the gaming keycaps are also faded by now, and it started on the first day... You can still see the letters properly, but you also do clearly see a big difference between the gaming caps and the rest of the keyboard. I don't mind much, as i don't tend to look at my keyboard when i type or play, but it's true that it isn't as pretty now as it was when i unpacked it.

Even with razer black widow gets dark easily. Some one posted the same issue in this forum. No big deal to me any longer… functionality is thumbs up!

Quote from: ajx;281811
wasd are also wearing out
damn it seems to be like a new record
after less then 1 hour of gaming around
i'd ask about wasd keycaps
do filco blank or wasd keycaps be match with any other mecha keyboard such as celeritas?

I finally come to accept the keys gets darker. Ill just eat a big fat greasy burger and smooth my greasy fingers all over the keys and you wont be able to see any difference, problem solved. One day you when you figure you wanna clean your keys, its like getting brand new keys, couldnt be more happy no?

It isnt that big of a deal to me any longer, bought a bottle of isopropyl 99% and it cleaned them off.

Still a great keyboard and nylon keys do feel smooth and soft regardless of how sweaty you fingers might become...

AJX I will try and see if I cant have my filco keys to fit into the board properly, the problem was that they stick out about 1mm higher than the rest. But I just lend my keyboard to a friend so he can test it so I cant come with an answer yet...
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 21 January 2011, 11:36:48: Quote from: ripster;282348
I'm not sure how this Lasered Keys>Pad Printed Internet Myth got started.

Old-school pad-printing vs. lasered on beige keyboards. This myth has been pretty much over since black, lasered key caps (with infill) came on the market and printing processes like those of the Filco caps and decals like MS and Logitech.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: woody on Fri, 21 January 2011, 17:07:56: I have this VAIO laptop which suffered heavy duty shifts under my hands for about 6 years. The keys are shiny, but the legends are not damaged at all ... I think. I gotta check and take some pictures someday. I think they were decals.
The beast, it's still working.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: ajx on Fri, 21 January 2011, 21:14:22: Quote from: dxong;282173
Even with razer black widow gets dark easily. Some one posted the same issue in this forum. No big deal to me any longer… functionality is thumbs up!

I finally come to accept the keys gets darker. Ill just eat a big fat greasy burger and smooth my greasy fingers all over the keys and you wont be able to see any difference, problem solved. One day you when you figure you wanna clean your keys, its like getting brand new keys, couldnt be more happy no?

It isnt that big of a deal to me any longer, bought a bottle of isopropyl 99% and it cleaned them off.

Still a great keyboard and nylon keys do feel smooth and soft regardless of how sweaty you fingers might become...

AJX I will try and see if I cant have my filco keys to fit into the board properly, the problem was that they stick out about 1mm higher than the rest. But I just lend my keyboard to a friend so he can test it so I cant come with an answer yet...

i might accept letter's keys wear out but i barely understand that happened after 1 hour
i wont regret despite of cost
it isnt' like i bought a cheap keyboard around 20€
high price must requires high quality and this mistake has proven zowie is still new beginnner in keyboard's market
however it feels awesome for typing, a little bit less for gaming especially fps
next mechanical keyboard gonna be a filco blank

(http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/filco_majestouch_tenkeyless.jpg)
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: Ekaros on Sat, 22 January 2011, 10:22:52: My old 6G has even crapier quality on some keys... Still this might be a decent alternative for Filco if you want to save a few bucks, specialy if you are after nordic-layouts...
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: msiegel on Sat, 22 January 2011, 13:54:15: and one heck of a tenkeyless mod
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: bifi85 on Sun, 23 January 2011, 07:55:31: The Zowie Celeritas is not allowed in korean e-sport events. So the advertisement from korean e-sport-stars for this product is... you know.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Sun, 23 January 2011, 08:07:10: Quote from: bifi85;283247
The Zowie Celeritas is not allowed in korean e-sport events. So the advertisement from korean e-sport-stars for this product is... you know.

I take that any advertisement like this does not attract customers while the product itself does, if you have a slight interest in keyboard. Only downside is the non coating on the keys.

I am not a huge gamer myself, so im not well informed with the esport, but how is it a keyboard is banned from any korean e-sports scenes? 0.o
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Thu, 27 January 2011, 08:59:25: Quote from: ajx;281811
wasd are also wearing out
damn it seems to be like a new record
after less then 1 hour of gaming around
i'd ask about wasd keycaps
do filco blank or wasd keycaps be match with any other mecha keyboard such as celeritas?

Here is an answer to your question:

Overall look on it
(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030169.jpg?t=1296139329)

Difference in high...
(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030172.jpg?t=1296139626)

the shape and the size of the keys of the filco red wasd keys do look the same like the ones on the Celeritas. I think the fitting hole inside the key is a bit too long but I would say if I file it down they will probably fit.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: sixty on Thu, 27 January 2011, 09:04:12: This seems to happen on all modern lasered keys. It happened on my Leopold too, just not as bad as shown in the OP's picture. Razer Black Widow too.
Some other people use the very same keyboards for months without issues, while mine do show that type of wear. I believe it has to do with your sweat. Some people are lucky, some not so much.

Now you know why the Ducky and Cherry boards already ship with dirty looking keys. Nice trick.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 27 January 2011, 09:11:11: I think Laser-etched caps got their quality reputation when beige keyboards were more common. The process used on black caps (laser + infill) seems to be inferior to that on beige keyboards and even modern pad-printing in some cases. Double-shot is the only process that we've seen that doesn't suck in pretty much every case.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Thu, 27 January 2011, 09:26:34: Quote from: sixty;285676
Now you know why the Ducky and Cherry boards already ship with dirty looking keys. Nice trick.

haha Ill keep that in mind!
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Thu, 27 January 2011, 09:37:27: Quote from: bifi85;283247
The Zowie Celeritas is not allowed in korean e-sport events. So the advertisement from korean e-sport-stars for this product is... you know.

(http://www.wuji.org.cn/bbs/attachments/1101061529573b8db398d82c24.jpg)

Just wanna add that he does use the keyboard for torunaments though this picture is taking from a tour in China. I am pretty sure there was a video of him competing in a korean event. I think he takes off the keys when he plays, on the numpads, u just cant see it.

dont know much about keys, but double shots sounds alot more expensive to produce?
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: ajx on Thu, 27 January 2011, 14:23:15: Quote from: dxong;285673
Here is an answer to your question:

Overall look on it
Show Image
(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030169.jpg?t=1296139329)

Difference in high...
Show Image
(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030172.jpg?t=1296139626)

the shape and the size of the keys of the filco red wasd keys do look the same like the ones on the Celeritas. I think the fitting hole inside the key is a bit too long but I would say if I file it down they will probably fit.

thx anyway
except i dislike having coloured keys with such full black keyboard :eyebrows:
where did you order it btw?
keyboardco (uk) or EK (us)?
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: Arc'xer on Thu, 27 January 2011, 15:54:17: Quote from: dxong;283251
I take that any advertisement like this does not attract customers while the product itself does, if you have a slight interest in keyboard. Only downside is the non coating on the keys.

I am not a huge gamer myself, so im not well informed with the esport, but how is it a keyboard is banned from any korean e-sports scenes? 0.o

Yes it's very strange they would ban it. It's not macro keyboard it doesn't have any input function key for saving macros or creating macros on-the-fly.

The only thing it has is repeater or turbo buttons like on the arcade sticks. Technically it could be considered a macro in the sense that you are automating repeated key presses but it's not really so. Because you can just go into the keyboard settings and reduce the delay and increase the repeat rate.

My guess is they ban it from the start so no issues are raised. And after reviewing the issue they lift it or keep the ban. Either way it's very disturbing trend how sponsoring occurs and yet that item is not legal, doesn't make sense.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: Jago on Thu, 27 January 2011, 16:55:46: Quote from: bifi85;283247
The Zowie Celeritas is not allowed in korean e-sport events. So the advertisement from korean e-sport-stars for this product is... you know.

This is plain not true, unless for some reason you think KESPA (and only KESPA) is the definition of "korean e-sport events". KESPA is by far, not the only thing in town.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Sat, 29 January 2011, 08:30:34: The only issue I can imagine then would be the reconfiguration of windows key to ctrl key, that might be considered as a macro key? I assume that if there was any ban at all, it would be within the game of Starcraft 2.

But then again, the latest patch of sc2 allows reconfiguration of your keys as well.

Is there even any source to this statement of bifi85? He does not seem very active in this forum anyway...
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Sat, 29 January 2011, 08:37:35: couldnt take better picture than this, had problem with the lightings, hope this helps

(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030191.jpg?t=1296311620)

(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd369/dxong_DK/P1030188.jpg?t=1296311655)

Using a Panasonic DMC-TZ3, very decent for its price a couple years ago...

(http://www.dphotonews.com/images/cms/panasonic_lumix_dmc_tz3_02.jpg)
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: HaiiYaa on Sat, 05 February 2011, 03:21:58: Had my zowie for 5days now and the keys still look perfectly new. Remember guys dont eat at your computer and wash your fingers before using it :D
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: sixty on Sat, 05 February 2011, 03:24:42: Definitely has nothing to do with eating at your computer or how often you wash your hands. Has something to do with PH values, sweat and who knows what else. One day we gotta research this and make a keycap durability thread sorted by PH resistance.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: HaiiYaa on Sat, 05 February 2011, 06:24:23: Quote from: sixty;290181
Definitely has nothing to do with eating at your computer or how often you wash your hands. Has something to do with PH values, sweat and who knows what else. One day we gotta research this and make a keycap durability thread sorted by PH resistance.

Where do you get this from? I do think that oily fingers will have an impact on how quick your letters start looking yellow
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: Korg on Sun, 06 February 2011, 15:52:58: Maybe I was just unlucky but I've had faults with two of these keyboards.

The first one I received had a very noticeable crack at the rear, where the cable exits/enters the board. The boxing it was supplied in was in pristine condition, both the outer brown packaging as well as Zowie's own branded packaging, which would suggest it had received it's ill treatment before leaving it's place of birth.

Piccy to illustrate....

The replacement was externally perfect, the problem this time was that the space bar didn't respond very well in terms of springing back. I carefully removed the space bar (after looking into various ways to do this on this very forum, thankyou), and found it to be a standard cherry board setup, i.e. one brown switch in the middle with two black stabilizers either end.

The two stabilizers were at their lowest position, and couldn't be de-pressed any further, they could, however, be brought upwards with some tweesers, but promptly subdued to gravity when released. In effects the space bar was operating under the steam of a single switch.

The tips of a metal bar were visible through some small openings underneath the stabilzers, but I couldn't trust myself to open the board up and void any warranty, especially after memories of the crack in the first model, to correct the metal bars position.

In the end I paid a little bit extra for a filco, and after just a little teething problem with a rigid key (which is now fine) am very happy :)
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: ajx on Mon, 07 February 2011, 16:47:37: i had answer from Zowie for better explanations

Quote
The reason why the letters are "fading out", is because of our "nylon key caps", which is used to give the keyboard the best and most comfortable keys you can get. It is, unfortunately, annoying side effect that the letters are fading out, but there's nothing wrong with the keyboard.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: HaiiYaa on Mon, 14 February 2011, 01:47:26: I had it for 2weeks now and the keys still look perfectly new. I dont know how yours got dirty so quickly

and about the nylon keys... they do feel kinda soft. Not like nylon, but different than other keyboards i tried and i do like that
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: HaiiYaa on Tue, 15 February 2011, 08:21:32: heres some pics after 2weeks

(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4023/dsc00372q.jpg)
(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2717/dsc00373gk.jpg)
(http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7800/dsc00374uc.jpg)
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Post by: phillip on Tue, 15 February 2011, 08:35:26: Quote from: ripster;290902
I added Celeritas to the Key Ref wiki. Thanks for the pic! I'm curious how these Nylon keys will wear long term so keep us updated.

I used to be skeptical of the "acid body chemistry" theory but then a Geekhacker named typo came along.... And DEFINITELY fingernail length has something to do with it.

I don't have long fingernails but I must have acid leaking through my skin...I wear down keys extremely quickly :(
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Post by: ajx on Tue, 15 February 2011, 16:22:28: Quote from: HaiiYaa;294723
I had it for 2weeks now and the keys still look perfectly new. I dont know how yours got dirty so quickly

and about the nylon keys... they do feel kinda soft. Not like nylon, but different than other keyboards i tried and i do like that

do you play often games such as fps?
its kinda strange that you eventually have nothing
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: shora on Tue, 15 February 2011, 17:46:56: i had this keyboard for 3-4 weeks now and the more used keys are also fading out a bit, i can provide some pics tommorow if you like ;) the only bad thing i can say about that keyboard is, that i'm experiencing the same problems as another poster in this thread with the space bar, no idea whats the problem there :/
the brown switches are maybe a little too soft for me, so i think i'm trying out a cherry board with clears next.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Wed, 16 February 2011, 08:10:54: Quote from: shora;295731
i had this keyboard for 3-4 weeks now and the more used keys are also fading out a bit, i can provide some pics tommorow if you like ;) the only bad thing i can say about that keyboard is, that i'm experiencing the same problems as another poster in this thread with the space bar, no idea whats the problem there :/
the brown switches are maybe a little too soft for me, so i think i'm trying out a cherry board with clears next.

What kind of problem do you have with the space bar?

HaiiYaa share us the recipe :)
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: HaiiYaa on Wed, 16 February 2011, 08:54:05: Quote from: dxong;296027
What kind of problem do you have with the space bar?

HaiiYaa share us the recipe :)

I just wash fingers before using the keyboard and every everytime I eat :D

and clean it with isopropyl 1-2times a week. Just a little bit on a cloth
Title: my experience with my celeritas is
Post by: neverlast74 on Sat, 26 February 2011, 07:11:56: my experience with my celeritas is...that after 3 days compared to my model m, g80 clear - it suits me way better.
more to come if I have more experience.
all problem that have been reported here I do not have - no spacebar problem nor yellow keycaps.
product is perfect. got the german layout.

edit one year later - still ok but I have problems with chattering of the keyboard so some keys are double printing when pressed once.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: keyboardlover on Sat, 26 February 2011, 07:14:12: Thanks for the info. Welcome to GeekHack!
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: neverlast74 on Sat, 26 February 2011, 11:52:16: @keyboardlover
wow thank you!
When was the last time that someone said thank you when I shared my view? can't remember....
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: HaiiYaa on Sun, 20 March 2011, 07:20:53: An update

After 2months of usually the keys are still perfectly white and the keys are not grey from using a little isopropryl
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: jaysson on Wed, 23 March 2011, 11:25:58: Hi geekhack,

first of all thanks for this amazing forum. Read alot the past month and after some consideration went for this Zowie Keyboard. It arrived some hours ago and i already wouldn't want to miss it. Whats the ususal time you need to adjust your typing style to not bottom out so much/often?
Since this thread has lots of sufficient pics, i don't feel urged to do some more.
Will keep you updated about the keycap dirt status. :)
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: Orphagn on Wed, 23 March 2011, 11:35:46: Welcome to GeekHack!
I don't know if there's a usual time to get used to not bottoming out, it kind of just happened for me after using a board for some time.
I change boards so often that I have to adjust my pressure to the keys a lot.
Just keep typing how you normally do and your fingers will slowly get used to not bottoming out.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: dxong on Sun, 27 March 2011, 15:35:57: Welcome to Geekhack :)

Just feel free to post your keyboard if you have the urge to.. :) spread the love!

I still usually buttoming out when playing, less when writing, but then again I love the audio when you peck down your button.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: neverlast74 on Tue, 29 March 2011, 04:19:08: after 1 month of daily using the celeritas - I wanted to come back for a summary.

overall great keyboard! used it for writing, sc2 and so on ...without any problems.

just one thing.... as I am a lefty I am using for shooters not WASD but the numblock on the right - and guess what? I played one day FPS - and the keys fade - as I am using 8,4,5,6 on the numblock they are grey and none of the others are. Either I had dirty fingers on that day - or my sweat made it.

I will try cleaning it with alcohol, 80% rum or ethly? if that does not do it I have to buy this aeh.... isopropanol (?).
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: MrSneis on Tue, 29 March 2011, 12:14:20: Quote from: neverlast74;320517
after 1 month of daily using the celeritas - I wanted to come back for a summary.

overall great keyboard! used it for writing, sc2 and so on ...without any problems.

just one thing.... as I am a lefty I am using for shooters not WASD but the numblock on the right - and guess what? I played one day FPS - and the keys fade - as I am using 8,4,5,6 on the numblock they are grey and none of the others are. Either I had dirty fingers on that day - or my sweat made it.

I will try cleaning it with alcohol, 80% rum or ethly? if that does not do it I have to buy this aeh.... isopropanol (?).

I would think any dilution of isopropyl alcohol should be fine.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: neverlast74 on Tue, 29 March 2011, 14:49:25: alright didnot have any 80%rum at home. wodka and cachaca did not work ;-)
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: neverlast74 on Wed, 30 March 2011, 04:13:15: great link - thank you ripster!
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Post by: AllNight on Wed, 30 March 2011, 07:00:52: Quote from: ripster;320775
i like this rum.
Show Image
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4109/5002422143_bb0b0b77fc_z.jpg)

but i need to pick up a bottle of cachaça because i'm getting into caipirinhas.

release the gracken!1!1!11!!!!!
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: neverlast74 on Fri, 08 April 2011, 11:22:52: Finally I bought a little flask of Isopranol (German for Isopropyl) at a pharmacy (20 ml for 1,2Euro) and it really works wonders! Applied with a cotton bud - and then after 10 minutes the white is back and the grey is gone!!! I am not sure if this really coming from my sweat becaause it was only on 4 buttons - or other fat I had on my fingers or something else...
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: RiGS on Fri, 08 April 2011, 11:56:06: Yeah, I have the same experience cleaning my Steelseries.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: Chobopants on Fri, 08 April 2011, 12:36:50: Quote from: neverlast74;320517
after 1 month of daily using the celeritas - I wanted to come back for a summary.

overall great keyboard! used it for writing, sc2 and so on ...without any problems.

just one thing.... as I am a lefty I am using for shooters not WASD but the numblock on the right - and guess what? I played one day FPS - and the keys fade - as I am using 8,4,5,6 on the numblock they are grey and none of the others are. Either I had dirty fingers on that day - or my sweat made it.

I will try cleaning it with alcohol, 80% rum or ethly? if that does not do it I have to buy this aeh.... isopropanol (?).

Wow I thought I was the only person in the world who played this way! Glad to hear that there are more of us. I'd love a red 8426 numpad set.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: popol on Fri, 15 April 2011, 01:44:51: are you using isopropanol pure (99%)?
it's written on the box that it's very toxic by inhalation and by contact as well and to use gloves and a mask.
Just wanted your inputs about it as I don't want to put my family at risk...
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: MrSneis on Fri, 15 April 2011, 01:51:57: Are you serious? Not likely that you will harm anyone or yourself in this.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: popol on Fri, 15 April 2011, 02:10:21: Quote from: MrSneis;331193
Are you serious? Not likely that you will harm anyone or yourself in this.

I just read what's written on the bottle of the 99.9%, unlike many people apparently
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: DeltaGunner on Fri, 15 April 2011, 06:42:17: If you die you will atleast die by doing a good thing to a keyboard.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: FrittenFett on Fri, 15 April 2011, 17:49:12: Pff, warm showers...

The real and only way to get dirt away from plastics is to use chloroform.

Lets say it this way for all people who don't know the effects:

I don't recommend filling chloroform into a typical medical thin plastic can.
(Attention please, don't forget to open every window in the room you're screwing around.)

But I think Ripster is the guy with superior knowledge, didn't he studied chemistry?!
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: zirb on Sun, 02 October 2011, 15:06:29: Hello dxong, Hello GEEKHACK!

this is my first post on this forum. I bought the Zowie Celeritas about two weeks ago, informed me really decent about the whole mechanical keyboard history and the specifications beforehand. As i read all specifications about the different switches it really fast became clear to me that only the MX Browns would fit my style of typing and feeling. I wanted to have some feedback but not the clicky one.
So my keyboard arrived really fast... even though not fast enough as i wanted it in the same minute of ordering xD

After the first two days of owning the keyboard i felt in love with it, the Browns gave me exactly what i wanted and what i expected. So overall i am really happy with my new and first mechanical keyboard...
If there wheren't that really fast wearing off at the keys :/ that's really nothing to expect from a 120€-keyboard in my opinion.
I thought about sending it back and ordering an Filco Majestouch Fullsize with the Browns (as this is a keyboard to get reasonably easy with german layout) or waiting for the BlackWidow Stealth-Edition to come with german layout.

But now that i have read your thread i calmed a bit down and will try the isopropyl-cleaning-method :)
Thank you dxong for your really good write-down and especially the cleaning of the keys.

I will write my experiences down here.
(and i hope my english isn't totally humble ^^)

greetings,
zirb
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: neverlast74 on Tue, 29 November 2011, 07:32:49: OK so I am back after 9 months of using the celeritas and now have the comparsion of my Zowie with a Majestouch 2 all brown.
Zowie caps feel better when touched due to nylon. (more friction) But the stamp of the cap is shorter so they wiggle a bit more than Filco. I would say very minor almost not noticeble effect. at least not disturbing me.

Brown switches are a bit "scratchy" when pressing down a keys. also minor problem...on both keyboards...
page down button on my filco is squeeking a bit. very minor problem.
zowie has the probem of greasy key after a while...

What is disturbing on the zowie is that I have double entries when I am writing I housse or dooing example... so some letters are displayed twice because it is sooooooo fast. I had to adjust the delay time in win7 to even out the effect which helps. Perhaps I am just a lazy writter. overall I would say they are very similar - Filco is a bit better quality - but the caps are better on the zowie and it has more features (light, 8x, media keys)... so torn and useing both...

edit:
I realized this double entry is called "chattering" is it has become WORSE. so better stay away from this zowie - the 8x is not worth it.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: Mo0rbid on Tue, 29 November 2011, 08:16:04: I bought this keyboard today and I have a question regarding the spacebar key. The spacebar is veeery sensitive and it doesn't feel like the other keys, there's no tactile bump, it just goes straight down, is this normal?
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: enomooshiki on Mon, 27 February 2012, 17:56:53: Quote from: Mo0rbid;460604
I bought this keyboard today and I have a question regarding the spacebar key. The spacebar is veeery sensitive and it doesn't feel like the other keys, there's no tactile bump, it just goes straight down, is this normal?

I noticed the same thing.
When I took out the space bar key cap, I noticed it's Cherry Black, not Brown like other keys.
Title: my new keyboard, Zowie Celeritas!
Post by: Yoshihiro Akiyama on Sun, 04 March 2012, 16:29:44: Hi, I'm thinking of buying this keyboard. It looks really nice. One issue though: is it possible to turn off all of the lights on the board (i.e. both the Zowie red/blue light and the red lights under the F9-12 keys)?