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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: Biffleur on Wed, 19 January 2011, 08:47:46
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Hello
I made a previous thread, but I didn't use the good words so it ended in a discussion about this, and in the end I'm still looking for a keyboard, so I thought I'd make a clean thread without mistakes so people wouldn't cringe reading it.
I'm looking for a keyboard which has a matrix that allows me to press the 4 arrows + space and wasd + space at the same time, or which has key rollover on those keys. For 40€, robust for gaming.
I tried the Mircosoft Sidewinder x4 and the I-Rocks KR-6220G-BK, it didn't fit what i wanted.
You'll probably think about expensive gaming keyboard with NKRO, but I used to own "basic" keyboards (keytronic) which worked just fine. And that's the kind of keyboard what I'm looking for.
Sorry if I persevere, but this is the best place to talk about keyboards on the net, so there must be someone who has an idea :) Thank you
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It's easy to assume that regular keyboards (2kro) work fine when in reality while gaming how well you do using multiple keypresses depends really how quickly you are doing it, how quickly you are "double-tapping" and in what order. However, I can guarantee that regular keyboards are not sending all 4 keypresses to the computer (when they are pressed at the same time) correctly. What you really need is a keyboard with 6-kro over usb. Check the aforementioned link in my sig for more info. (The one about 6-KRO, NOT the one about Taeyeon - she's mine!) Hope this helps.
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keyboardlover I already read it
ripster Newegg don't sale worldwide, like most of sites from USA.... I'm french so I can buy only in Europe.
I can't translate "fickiness", but like I said, I used to own some basic keyboard which had atleast 6KRO... And I don't need macros screen and all that ****, just a basic keyboard.
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Well, if you're not willing to pay more than 40€ you're pretty much out of options.
Also fickiness = critique mesquine
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So the 2 keytronic I had (30€) and even my first lame Microsoft kb it was just luck that they didn't have keylock on those keys?
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No, it was probably PEBKAC.
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I said I had no problem so your trolling doesn't fit here ;)
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I said I had no problem so your trolling doesn't fit here ;)
And yours does?
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You're the one who is off topic here, not me.
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Just save a little. I mean how long can it take to scrape together ~70€ ?
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Just buy another freakin' KeyTronic and stop complaining! Jeez...you'd think I tried to raise your retirement age by a year or something!
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someone showed you something good, I guess you missed it
http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=273523&postcount=25
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Keytronic are only for sale in America now. So please get a clue or don't bother posting in this thread if you have nothing to say ;)
Bugfix you have an idea for 70€?
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Razer Blackwidow.
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Keytronic are only for sale in America now. So please get a clue or don't bother posting in this thread if you have nothing to say ;)
Ok, sorry didn't realize that. Was just trying to help so please don't make any Molotov cocktails or destroy your fuel supplies on account of not knowing how NKRO works.
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I don't need NKRO.. sigh
About the Blackwidow :
http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/869461-razer-blackwidow-review.html
"Limitations of the matrix design are met at the arrow keys. Pressing more than two of any arrows at once is not possible."
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If you're going to spend the money, just go NKRO; the other "solutions" are not very optimal.
Otherwise, you might as well just wave the white flag and surrender to crappy keyboards.
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Am I that different? Guess I'm just full of beans lately :D
...or maybe it's the red cherries?
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LOL
(http://www.questionsleep.com/mindspill/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ostrich_headjpg.jpeg)
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Like I said earlier I doubt the rubber dome
What was wrong with the Sidewinder X4 again?
Slow reaction not to say no reaction at all. And some keys felt like cheap plastic
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Slow reaction not to say no reaction at all. And some keys felt like cheap plastic
Slow reaction, weird. My X4 did not suffer this problem as far as I am aware. Sounds like something was faulty, somewhere.
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Biffluer, just going to come out and say it.
You sound like an *******.
Now that is out of the way, your keytronic wasn't any different than any other keytronic, which means you are not pressing all those keys at once despite how awesome gosu you may think you are.
You came in here, saying you didn't know that much and looking for advice, and all I've seen is smart ass responses and insults to people giving you actual answers.
Stop being a cheap ass and just buy an NKRO keyboard, since I don't think any have a matrix that support 10kro outside of the Sidewinder X4 (which you claim has latency issues lol)
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Biffluer, just going to come out and say it.
You sound like an *******.
Now that is out of the way, your keytronic wasn't any different than any other keytronic, which means you are not pressing all those keys at once despite how awesome gosu you may think you are.
You came in here, saying you didn't know that much and looking for advice, and all I've seen is smart ass responses and insults to people giving you actual answers.
Stop being a cheap ass and just buy an NKRO keyboard, since I don't think any have a matrix that support 10kro outside of the Sidewinder X4 (which you claim has latency issues lol)
Seconded. Don't come here for help, and then **** on everybody in the process. So far, the only problems I have seen described have been user-related.
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You sound like an *******.
More like a croissant.
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Maybe I shoudn't have put that whole "surrender" thing in my first response.
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You guys are rude. He's french. It could be worse. He could be French-Canadian.
Fixed.
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You guys are rude. He's french. It could be worse. He could be german.
I always thought you guys hated the french more than us ;-(
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More like a croissant.
Avec merde?
Fixed.
Agreed. I think the only people that like French-Canadians are other French-Canadians, and even then I'm not sure.
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Avec merde?
Ah oui.
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Uh, what a load of bull****. Cool story bro. :D
Rispter, I said it in my previous topic, for exemple if I stroked the space bar really fast it would register only 3-4 keystrokes. I don't think I dreamed, I don't send keyboards back just for fun lol.
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Seconded. Don't come here for help, and then **** on everybody in the process. So far, the only problems I have seen described have been user-related.
Except I didn't **** on anyone here, just told some guy who was starting to troll he was off-topic. Read carefully next time ;)
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What about the advice you have been given, the Raptor K1 ? No opinion on that, good idea/ bad idea huh ?
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They only sell it in Germany/Austria
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Raptor? They ship pretty much anywhere. You should get your facts right :-p
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Now that you say this, the space is one of the keys which as I said, felt like cheap plastic. Dunno if it has something to do with the problem I explained.
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Funny how they were quite happy to ship to me in the UK then. Yes, bought via ebay.
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You should read my posts.
Ripster, I have a life and a job, I don't have that amount of time on my hands :p
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Yes, those.
As typical, their English was better than my German. I probably asked for a ship to come to the UK via keyboardistan.
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http://www.shop-016.de/shop2/index.php?user=raptor&clang=uk&hkat=5&proid=294&skat=6
There's this one coming in February, only 20 €
The "low noise typing" makes me cringe though, usually the feeling isn't really nice
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G'day folks. :D
Does the Roccat Arvo fits what I'm looking for? It says anti-ghosting (I know, bad term), but is it on arrows too?
Same with the Cyborg Gamer V1, very low price keyboard, is it any good?
Thank you
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Another suggestion: If you want a rather inexpensive (€19,90 buy it now for used stock) keyboard with full NKRO and double-shot keycaps that also brings a bit of authentic military-feeling to your gaming set, try the Marquardt HEROS keyboard (http://cgi.ebay.de/ALU-Tastatur-PC-Heros-Computer-Bundeswehr-Bw-/260671390585?pt=M%C3%A4use_Tastaturen&hash=item3cb139c379). As long as you're able to live with the layout and find the means to adapt the plug to "normal" PS/2 (cut off an old joystick cable and an old keyboard PS/2 cable, solder four wires, you're done) it's a rather nice board to live with. The case color is much easier to change on these than on any other board since it's all aluminium - sandblast it, spraypaint it, treat it with a wire brush, whatever you like.
Yes I realize it says "Germany only" in the auction description, but I'm pretty sure he'll ship to France if you ask nicely (and pay up front), and if you're uncertain I could ask the seller for you.
Chris
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Thanks for your help but the layout is awful + used stock
I think I'll buy the Saitek Cyborg v1, if anyone has any info on this keyboard it will be appreciated
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One other option not mentioned: move to a country with decent keyboards ;)
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One other option not mentioned: move to a country with decent keyboards ;)
Or stop being poor.
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Or stop being poor.
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LolOmgBBQroflcopter.
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I mean seriously, why not just wait a little and buy something decent instead of blowing money on cheap crap?
Buy cheap, buy twice.
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Agreed with bugfix about the cheap thing.
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All my fanclub is here, nice
ripster it's this one http://img.achetezfacile.com/photo/02575058.jpg (http://img.achetezfacile.com/photo/02575058.jpg)
How about the Roccat Arvo then? It says keys are not noisy and feel like laptop, it was the case on the I-rocks (ABS keys) and i'm still having nightmares about this
And there is anti ghosting on wasd but dunno about arrows and space
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Searching for a kb for ages it got me thinking what is the most important thing I'm looking for. Because for exemple, the I-rocks I had didn't have ghosting but the keys felt so awkward I sent it back straight away.
Right now I have the Cherry RS 6000 (Membrane apparently http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=675) And I like the feeling of the keys and its reaction. I've stumbled across a thread here and apparently all the membrane keyboards are 2KRO.
So if someone knows a keyboard similar to this and with the features I want (key rollover or a matrix that register wasd + arrows + space), let me know please