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Title: Best switch or BS for Sc2
Post by: Trippy on Fri, 28 January 2011, 13:47:35: So, I have gotten into looking around for a good keyboard for Starcraft, and what I have found that a lot of R.T.S players use is either Buckling spring or cherry blue keyboards. Whats your opinion and what do you suggest? Also my choice for the Cherry Blue keyboard would most likely be a Das keyboard, but the thing is I have heard of people having the letters rub off the keys has that happened to any of you?
Title: Best switch or BS for Sc2
Post by: DanGWanG on Fri, 28 January 2011, 15:22:14: I've tried playing SC2 with both Topre (HHKB Pro 2) and Cherry Blues (Das S Ultimate). Both are good and fun keyboards to use, especially because they have low resistance. If you have a high APM, you're probably spamming keys and with a lower resistance your fingers don't get fatigued as fast. I average an APM around 160~, and my personal preference is the cherry blues. The clicking sound, as weird as this may sound, keeps me completely zoned into the game and helps with my focus. With regards to my key letters, I have the blank set so I haven't had any issues =) (However, I just installed the black on black keycaps...so we'll see how that goes)

However, my friend who owns a Filco with cherry browns stands by his choice. I don't think he's tried any other keyboards, other than rubber domed ones. You'll also see that a popularity rose in the e-sports mechanical keyboard market when FruitDealer won the 1st GSL and lifted up his Filco with browns.

Related image from GSL Season 2:
Title: Best switch or BS for Sc2
Post by: RiGS on Fri, 28 January 2011, 15:29:49: It is obvious. He won because of the filco with cherry browns.
Title: Best switch or BS for Sc2
Post by: RiGS on Fri, 28 January 2011, 15:36:20: It is probably something with the food they eat.
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Post by: Daniel Beaver on Fri, 28 January 2011, 15:42:15: I can suggest what not to get: linear switches. It is important that every keystroke registers in SC2, and a linear switch doesn't give you any tactile indication of that. I've never gamed on linear switches, though, so it's conjecture on my part. I've used blues, buckling springs and white ALPS for SC2, and they all work great.

On a side note: N-Key rollover is a non-issue for Starcraft, so a Das is a fine choice.
Title: Best switch or BS for Sc2
Post by: DanGWanG on Fri, 28 January 2011, 15:48:49: Quote from: ripster;286514
That's not FruitDealer. All StarCraft players have the same girlyman hands.

Tester

Yeah, I was just showing a related image. All those TSL guys use Filco browns. They probably have a sponsorship from them.
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Post by: Arcanius on Fri, 28 January 2011, 15:54:44: Quote from: Daniel Beaver;286528
On a side note: N-Key rollover is a non-issue for Starcraft, so a Das is a fine choice.

Das is NKRO, If I remember correctly. Is this not so?
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Post by: DanGWanG on Fri, 28 January 2011, 15:55:59: Das via PS/2 is NKRO. Plugged into USB, I believe it's only 6KRO.
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Post by: jdreamer on Fri, 28 January 2011, 16:00:19: If I'm not mistaken, FD uses blue meanwhile Trickster aka ssks uses brown.
Title: Best switch or BS for Sc2
Post by: manfaux on Fri, 28 January 2011, 16:04:54: Quote from: jdreamer;286543
If I'm not mistaken, FD uses blue meanwhile Trickster aka ssks uses brown.

FD has browns.

(http://oi54.tinypic.com/k03tk7.jpg)

in fact, every korean sc2 pro gamer I've seen so far use browns. With one exception: Boxer, he's on blues.
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Post by: DanGWanG on Fri, 28 January 2011, 16:30:57: Only the King uses blues!
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Post by: Trippy on Fri, 28 January 2011, 16:49:28: Great thank you! :D
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Post by: Azuremen on Fri, 28 January 2011, 19:35:37: Quote from: manfaux;286545
FD has browns.

Show Image
(http://oi54.tinypic.com/k03tk7.jpg)

in fact, every korean sc2 pro gamer I've seen so far use browns. With one exception: Boxer, he's on blues.

Actually, videos of FD playing have a very distinct sound, much like Alps. Some of believe it is a Filco Zero board still.

That aside, I much prefer SC2 on a tactile board, in this case Blues, compared to a linear. I honestly found myself missing keystrokes often on the 6Gv2, simply because it wasn't clear when it would actuate.
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Post by: DanGWanG on Fri, 28 January 2011, 21:44:18: You right you right.
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Post by: jdreamer on Fri, 28 January 2011, 22:10:47: Quote from: manfaux;286545
FD has browns.

Show Image
(http://oi54.tinypic.com/k03tk7.jpg)

in fact, every korean sc2 pro gamer I've seen so far use browns. With one exception: Boxer, he's on blues.

Seriously, how do you tell that it's Blue from this photo? Please teach me. :D
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Post by: Azuremen on Fri, 28 January 2011, 23:12:36: Quote from: jdreamer;286730
Seriously, how do you tell that it's Blue from this photo? Please teach me. :D

Brown switches, not blues. And that is because it has blue LEDs for the caps, num lock, and scroll lock. Blue switches have green LEDs, Blacks get orange LEDs.

The issue is the Filco Zero also uses a blue LED but uses Alp switches and the same body.
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Post by: manfaux on Fri, 28 January 2011, 23:41:03: Quote from: Azuremen;286747
Brown switches, not blues. And that is because it has blue LEDs for the caps, num lock, and scroll lock. Blue switches have green LEDs, Blacks get orange LEDs.

The issue is the Filco Zero also uses a blue LED but uses Alp switches and the same body.

right on the money.

also, seeing how sks and Rain both have filco browns, I serioously doubt FD has a different KB than theirs.
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Post by: Azuremen on Sat, 29 January 2011, 00:00:21: Quote from: ripster;286755
Yeah, I doubt FruitDealer would use a Zero either.

The issue is mostly that video clip of him playing where many hear a distinctly ALPS switch sound.

Now, I'm not trying to say you should get an ALPS board, as most people would agree the Cherry switches are superior, but it is just an interesting point that still hasn't be set in stone still.
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Post by: hfcobra on Sat, 29 January 2011, 00:13:01: what is so bad about the Filco Zero anyways? low quality compared to the Majestouch?
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Post by: Jago on Sat, 29 January 2011, 01:41:06: I am playing SC2 on a Filco with browns and it's absolutely fantastic.
Title: Best switch or BS for Sc2
Post by: Cyanide on Sat, 29 January 2011, 01:51:23: @OP people suggested that i get brown switches, i did, and am very happy with them. i got the filco majestouch from armygroup. i haven't tried any other switch types, but i can tell you that these work great, i actually wasn't expecting them to be as good as they are. and yeah i got it for sc2(masters league if you were wondering).
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Post by: Variable on Sat, 29 January 2011, 02:04:18: boxer uses blues though :D

and he's boxer
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Post by: theferenc on Sat, 29 January 2011, 09:16:07: I think the issue people here have with the Zero is that it isn't Cherry switches. Personally, I prefer ALPS type switches, but it all comes down to personal preference.

And, I could be wrong about the reasons. But from what I've seen of both, they are essentially identical other than switch type (and obviously key feel, due to the higher wobble on ALPS type switches).
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Post by: dxong on Sat, 29 January 2011, 10:28:40: I did go for a brown switch and I love it. My next purchase will be a blue. Reason for not getting blue would be that the clicky sound might be a bit too much for my enviroment.

However actually love the sound when you buttom out on my keyboard, still gives a distinct sound and not too loud, depends how you typing...

browns or blues, cant go wrong with either...
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Post by: Wogrim on Mon, 31 January 2011, 13:17:06: Quote from: DanGWanG;286555
Only the King uses blues!

Boxer is the Emperor, not the King.
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Post by: guilleguillaume on Fri, 04 February 2011, 14:32:45: You can see here in this video and can hear too wich Switch is using The Emperor:
Not a valid youtube URL

First minutes you can see his Workstation and his Filco making "click click"

So here may come Keyboardlover and post his pic with the Korean father.

At 43:30 you can see the Blue stems of his Filco MX Blue.
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Post by: hfcobra on Sat, 05 February 2011, 21:50:04: i watched the whole thing, BoxeR and FruitDealer are my fav SC2 players :)

I dont have a favorite protoss because i dislike the race lol
Title: Best switch or BS for Sc2
Post by: manfaux on Sat, 05 February 2011, 22:23:03: Quote from: hfcobra;290542
i watched the whole thing, BoxeR and FruitDealer are my fav SC2 players :)

I dont have a favorite protoss because i dislike the race lol

I don't know how does BoxeR live with the noise from the blues, it distracts the hell out of me when I play starcraft, makes me even more nervous than I already am. lol
Title: Best switch or BS for Sc2
Post by: sawedust on Sat, 05 February 2011, 22:35:29: BoxeR's Wings was an awesome watch. It's nice to see how one of the legends of the sport goes about his daily life. If you're a SC lover, it's a must watch.

I think the sound and pitch of the blues help keep a rhythm going. I know when I APM spam at the start of the game to warm up my fingers, I enjoy hearing the sound of the keys in a smooth, rhythmic motion.

Just put in an order for a tenkeyless Filco with browns as my first mechanical keyboard, they seem to be the preferred switch by those on TL (maybe just FD fanboyism) and also I can't have the high pitch of the blues keeping family members up at night.
Title: Best switch or BS for Sc2
Post by: hfcobra on Sat, 05 February 2011, 22:54:31: are there more of the BoxerR's Wings videos that have been subbed in English? I looked for them but could not find anything :(
Title: Best switch or BS for Sc2
Post by: sawedust on Sun, 06 February 2011, 00:21:56: Quote from: hfcobra;290569
are there more of the BoxerR's Wings videos that have been subbed in English? I looked for them but could not find anything :(

Not at the moment. There's just this one episode so far.

As soon as a new vid is posted on TL I'll bump it up.

And for those interested in BoxeR's gear, he has a Filco with cherry blues and a Razer DeathAdder. In the last vid he was seen with a Logitech Mini Optical, but he's since switched since the third GSL.
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Post by: h0tang on Sun, 06 February 2011, 00:36:32: this thread is becoming awesome!
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Post by: hfcobra on Sun, 06 February 2011, 01:17:50: lol, i prefer my G500. It is just a great mouse all around! I am getting one of those Kai G3 mousepads soon and i cant wait to feel how smooth it is!