He never said January. And at this point I'm sure Majestouch regrets mentioning February, the shortest month after all.Show Image(http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Red-Books/Reports/R-Book-01.jpg)
Keep clicking the pic until something happens.Show Image(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/4738827457_13e2999e59_z.jpg)
AND, where is the link for EK in this forum??? I looked in the Venders forums and didn't see them listed.
you can buy blues and browns from newegg right now (zowie and razer products, but cherry brown and blue nevertheless).
So yeah, the cherry rep is full of it.
Should I just give in and order a Happy Hacking Keyobard? Before I die of growing old.
I mean they're only $200+ uggggh.
Should I just give in and order a Happy Hacking Keyobard?
Still no info on the full-size. At least this means I don't have to regret my Filco Majestouch Amazon purchase before it even arrives at my house. . . then again, those tenkeyless Leopolds are $40 cheaper than their KeyboardCo-sold Filco counterparts on Amazon US. . . that does make the potential pricing of the fullsize boards a bit worrisome for me ;)
Of course, if a post I read was correct, it could be a good long while before 104-key Leopolds are available.
gahh i have to wait till march 7th to preorder... stop teasing us!
The $99 price will probably be a temporary thing. He saw the Filco's going up on Amazon, realized he needs to compete on price now (as opposed to being the sole distributor) and dropped his price to a level where even with shipping it will be cheaper than buying off Amazon (prime and super saver are your friends).
All things considered, I think the price difference on the PRE-ORDER tenkeylesses alone will be about $15-$20 in favor of the Leopolds, but only time will tell if that will be their standard price.
Like I said before, he might have to stay at that price to stay competitive, but it does seem awfully cheap, considering the cheapest I've heard of a Leopold board being is $105 US
Actually 99 has been the plan for many months, there were no knee jerk realizations;) In my mind that is a fair retail price point for imported "made in Taiwan" mech boards of this quality, with 1-2 middlemen, at this point in time. FILCOs are way overpriced because Diatec, quite frankly, over charges distributors. They buy in dollars, then resell in JPY at a very large margin, distributors are left very little room to move with the strengthening JPY and new competition. Das Keyboard retail is overpriced as well, but for the purpose of distribution and edu discounts, so they survive on their brand name it seems, for the time being.
Bottom line, anyone importing FILCOs into the US will not be able to compete on price. I told Diatec this almost a year and a half ago, this is why I filtered/tested their boards exhaustively in order to build the "value" proposition of the brand name; this is why I recommended the switch to FR-4, this is why I recommended greasing stablizers, key coating improvements, keycap changes, controller improvements, circuit improvements, eye-safe LED biasing, and many other issues which they have no taste for and resisted me on (because they have no engineers and no designers). It didn't help that they got greedy and overextended themselves internationally, but I digress...in any case it's nice they're seeing the light finally, but their margin is still a bit of an insult to distributors, and the RK-9000 is an embarrassment to their business savvy.
I'm probably in on a cherry brown otaku, but I so wish the windows keys had no bubbles (and he only has the printed replacements, no non-printed makes me a sad panda). I can probably live with the LED cutouts on the various applicable keys, but solid keys there would be ideal.
Who uses caps lock anyway.
the RK-9000 is an embarrassment to their business savvy.
Not yet at least... :P
how quick do you guys think they will sell out? I may not be able to order until the following week.
In your opinion, is the price difference between Filcos and Leopolds warranted at all? Bad business decisions aside, is there anything in the Filco that has the Leopold beat or do you stand by your previous comments that they're on the same level of quality?
I think you should send me one for testing. I'm very impartial and have never tried blacks so I'd probably write you a rave review!
I thought the RK-9000 was decent.
Despite my squeaky backspace key.
Actually 99 has been the plan for many months, there were no knee jerk realizations;) In my mind that is a fair retail price point for imported "made in Taiwan" mech boards of this quality, with 1-2 middlemen, at this point in time. FILCOs are way overpriced because Diatec, quite frankly, over charges distributors.
Sorry, I don't send out review units very often, if at all...also, black switches won't be available in this first run; as I find them to in low demand and a bit of a mixed bag for most customers; they're better suited to be marketed strictly for FPS gamers, which isn't the target of most of our other products.
Any full-sized leopolds coming?
...the cheapest I've heard of a Leopold board being is $105 US
It is quite decent for the price. I was alluding to the fact that because it is essentially a FILCO 104 at a much better price, it shows how silly Diatec was for not having exclusive rights to the design, heck even the PCBs in an RK-9000 say FILCO on them. You can imagine how angry this made me the day it came out (I was the first customer). Hell was raised in TW the next day, but that only delayed the sale for a few weeks. Diatec was helpless; so unless they've finally come around and completely bought out rights to that design, then everyone might as well buy an RK if they're looking for a Cherry Blue full-size FILCO.
The domed keycaps are a requirement of having the 'Windows' keys. The manufacturer has no say in the matter, unless they'd rather not include 'Windows' keys.
So RK-9000 was the reason for divorce?
Actually 99 has been the plan for many months, there were no knee jerk realizations;) In my mind that is a fair retail price point for imported "made in Taiwan" mech boards of this quality, with 1-2 middlemen, at this point in time. FILCOs are way overpriced because Diatec, quite frankly, over charges distributors. They buy in dollars, then resell in JPY at a very large margin, distributors are left very little room to move with the strengthening JPY and new competition. Das Keyboard retail is overpriced as well, but for the purpose of distribution and edu discounts, so they survive on their brand name it seems, for the time being.
Bottom line, anyone importing FILCOs into the US will not be able to compete on price. I told Diatec this almost a year and a half ago, this is why I filtered/tested their boards exhaustively in order to build the "value" proposition of the brand name; this is why I recommended the switch to FR-4, this is why I recommended greasing stablizers, key coating improvements, keycap changes, controller improvements, circuit improvements, eye-safe LED biasing, and many other issues which they have no taste for and resisted me on (because they have no engineers and no designers). It didn't help that they got greedy and overextended themselves internationally, but I digress...in any case it's nice they're seeing the light finally, but their margin is still a bit of an insult to distributors, and the RK-9000 is an embarrassment to their business savvy.
Looks like your expensive Ducky will end up in the corner :(
You know... you're starting to sound a lot like Welly these days.
You guys should go fight at KBDAuthority.not.
We all get along at Geekhack.org.
It is always nice when emotions are involved.
Lmnop nicknamed me "Spock". I have no emotions.
Absolutely. You need to feel the love.
Filco has some new ones in black too. Last gasps from a dying company.
As feminine as it is, I actually like the new pink model. At the very least, it shows a little creativity in design
In the meantime..
How's last year Ducky - the iRocks keyboards doing?
Should I pick one up in case Filco dies, or will they be "replaced"?
Noodles: I think Majestouch just said in this thread that the $99 is the permanent price for the tenkeyless boards.
RiGS: I think Ripster just said elsewhere that the Leopolds will also feature a dual-layered pcb.
Person who will inevitably respond while I'm typing this: you suck!
Here's the question of the day.
Why would ANYONE buy last years model of Topre when you can buy 3 Leopolds for the same price (assume you buy a few Topre esc keys if you are a mathematical whiz)?
Filco already has its reputation. 139$ free shipped is not bad in the US.
Also Filco aesthetically is much better than the gayish Leopold.
Filco will eventually has dual layered pcb.
Also there are a lot of people who prefer costar stabilizers.
Oh, I have almost forgot that the Leopold spacebar is a pain in the ass.
Here's the question of the day.
Why would ANYONE buy last years model of Topre when you can buy 3 Leopolds for the same price (assume you buy a few Topre esc keys if you are a mathematical whiz)?
However, I'm still interested in a Topre at some point, and may be more inclined to try one if it was only twice as much as a Leopold. :)
It's so pretty and domey.Show Image(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4152/5065159060_464044dfd5_z.jpg)
In that case, you can have my gently-used 103U for $240 shipped to anywhere in the CONUS. Then I can buy a spare Leopold to hold in reserve in my private vault (by which I mean gun safe).
I just confirmed that the alt - meta - control keys are all identical on the das blank version. So I'm happy. ( Yeah there's no dome )
I have both a printed and non printed Das Keyboard, and neither have domed keys. Maybe the domed thing is a new-ish requirement?
I just hate windows in general. No you cannot convince me otherwise. Oh, and I don't think that Filco is doomed, my mom wants one of those pink keyboards. She is trying to find a place that will ship it to the US right now lol.
What happened to this thread?
i come often see what's going on.
i am obviously new here though.
http://www.leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1205922164
are they copying FILCO now?
Best typo EVAH!
It's like this.
Japan>Korea>China
Pretty easy to grok actually. I used to think grok was Norwegian.
It's like this.
Japan>Korea>China
Pretty easy to grok actually. I used to think grok was Norwegian.
Taiwan = China.
Unless of course you are Taiwanese. Last wedding I was at I sure got an earful on this.
I would say on average, quality of stuff produced in Taiwan is substantially higher than quality of stuff produced in China. Just to get ripster onboard I will give one specific example: Ducky tenkeyless as opposed to Filcos and Leopolds. Case closed.