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Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Ekaros on Sat, 05 March 2011, 17:25:30
Anyone know if I order new:
G80-3000LQCDE-0

What will it be? Don't need an other Brown board. And also would prefer UK-model from german and in ISO. Or is my only option still find something used?
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: JBert on Sat, 05 March 2011, 17:31:08
I ordered a G80-3000LQCDE as they are supposed to have clears (they are described as "soft tactile action" whereas browns have "ergonomic tactile action").
The keyboard hasn't arrived yet though, so I can't guarantee it until then.

You could ask Bruce from The Keyboard Company if they have any clears, but I believe they only have specialty keyboards with clears.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Ekaros on Sat, 05 March 2011, 17:37:36
I will wait until someone informs me about this. Atleast I then have use for my double shots...
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: JBert on Sat, 05 March 2011, 17:41:54
*Whoosh*


Ok, I struck my forehead. I'm typing on a G80-3000LQCDE-0 / 02 right now, albeit a beige one!
I bought it second-hand from someone who bought it in 2009-2010 so it is guaranteed to be the "new" model. It does have clears and comes in the german ISO layout.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Ekaros on Sat, 05 March 2011, 17:44:34
OK, now I need to find store with decent return policy and cheap shipping to Finland...
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Sat, 05 March 2011, 22:06:39
That G80-3000LQCDE is actually a nicer looking board then the G80-8113 that everyone recommends to people who want clear switches. No extra row of keys along the top, no extra card reader or touchpad and the arrow cluster is where it should be. Why isn't it recommended more? Out of production?
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: .XL on Sat, 05 March 2011, 23:37:08
Quote from: Mr. Perfect;305993
That G80-3000LQCDE is actually a nicer looking board then the G80-8113 that everyone recommends to people who want clear switches. No extra row of keys along the top, no extra card reader or touchpad and the arrow cluster is where it should be. Why isn't it recommended more? Out of production?


I like the look of it a lot, and I'd but it to try it out if I could find it for sale in the US somewhere...
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: berzerQer on Sun, 06 March 2011, 00:31:17
Quote from: .XL;306013
I like the look of it a lot, and I'd but it to try it out if I could find it for sale in the US somewhere...


http://global.pchome.com.tw/?mod=item&func=exhibit&IT_NO=DCAH21-A53514192&SR_NO=DCAH21&ROWNO=1&tm=u#
~$140 shipped to the US
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Sun, 06 March 2011, 00:55:20
Good find. Here it is (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fglobal.pchome.com.tw%2F%3Fmod%3Ditem%26func%3Dexhibit%26IT_NO%3DDCAH21-A53514192%26SR_NO%3DDCAH21%26ROWNO%3D1%26tm%3Du%23&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8) linkified and translated to English.

I do notice that there is no mention of NKRO. If it's only 2-Key, then it could be a disappointment to gamers.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Ekaros on Sun, 06 March 2011, 03:54:09
Relatively affordable form germany, 68€ inluding the shipping, as new. Likely going to pick one up. NKRO or not, only option I could find.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: keyboardlover on Sun, 06 March 2011, 06:17:02
I can confirm it does NOT have nkro. None of the G80-3000's do, except for the ones with reds. Damn Cherry Corp. Sales Manager!
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: jsvd on Sun, 06 March 2011, 06:42:37
Does it have like...6KRO? Good enough for me.

EDIT: NVM, 2KRO has been tested (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=61385&postcount=64)
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Surly73 on Sun, 06 March 2011, 06:46:23
Anything with ANSI layout?  My searches on G80-3000LQCDE all showed pics of ISO keyboards.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Ekaros on Sun, 06 March 2011, 06:48:45
Quote from: Surly73;306105
Anything with ANSI layout?  My searches on G80-3000LQCDE all showed pics of ISO keyboards.

G80-3000LQCEU-0, is ANSI-eu.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: kidchunks on Sun, 06 March 2011, 07:46:16
Quote from: Mr. Perfect;305993
That G80-3000LQCDE is actually a nicer looking board then the G80-8113 that everyone recommends to people who want clear switches.


LIES! The G80-8113 is HAWT!
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: keyboardlover on Sun, 06 March 2011, 07:48:51
I personally don't think it's that bad looking. Just wish it didn't have a trackpad and had ansi layout. That's why I stripped it of it's goods and swapped them into my G80-3494 :D
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Ekaros on Sun, 06 March 2011, 07:49:56
Quote from: Mr. Perfect;305993
That G80-3000LQCDE is actually a nicer looking board then the G80-8113 that everyone recommends to people who want clear switches. No extra row of keys along the top, no extra card reader or touchpad and the arrow cluster is where it should be. Why isn't it recommended more? Out of production?


Only eu-ansi and german and switcherland models available... Still it's lot chepaer than 8113. Might as well order one for myself.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: keyboardlover on Sun, 06 March 2011, 07:53:43
I thought the G80-3000LQCDE was more expensive? Or is that just for Americans? :D
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Ekaros on Sun, 06 March 2011, 07:55:31
Quote from: keyboardlover;306120
I thought the G80-3000LQCDE was more expensive? Or is that just for Americans? :D

Maybe in us, 95$ for brand new with shipping from germany to finland. And that price isn't the cheapest, one of the shops which I could read in english...
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: kidchunks on Sun, 06 March 2011, 08:06:37
Quote from: keyboardlover;306118
I personally don't think it's that bad looking. Just wish it didn't have a trackpad and had ansi layout. That's why I stripped it of it's goods and swapped them into my G80-3494 :D


Poor 8113 :Cry:

Quote from: Ekaros;306122
Maybe in us, 95$ for brand new with shipping from germany to finland. And that price isn't the cheapest, one of the shops which I could read in english...


Damn, thats a nice price for it being new.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: keyboardlover on Sun, 06 March 2011, 08:07:39
Quote from: kidchunks;306130
Poor 8113 :Cry:


This is what it looks like now :D

(http://geekhack.org/picture.php?albumid=114&pictureid=668)
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: keyb_gr on Sun, 06 March 2011, 10:26:12
Quote from: Ekaros;306119
Only eu-ansi and german and switcherland models available...

I think you've been hanging out here for too long :D Last time I checked, that country was still populated by Swiss and not Switch, all predisposition for precision mechanics aside...
Quote from: keyboardlover;306120
I thought the G80-3000LQCDE was more expensive? Or is that just for Americans? :D

No, for Americans it's unobtainium. There have been some rumors about G80-3000s being introduced in the US though.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Ekaros on Sun, 06 March 2011, 10:33:57
Quote from: keyb_gr;306180
I think you've been hanging out here for too long :D Last time I checked, that country was still populated by Swiss and not Switch, all predisposition for precision mechanics aside...

No, for Americans it's unobtainium. There have been some rumors about G80-3000s being introduced in the US though.


Yep, I do spelling by phonetics, not how it should be done... (English is stupid language anyway)

G80-3000    G80-3000LQCCH-0    Switzerland  light grey  light grey  Soft pressure point 105

Yep, they make model for Swiss...
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: RiGS on Sun, 06 March 2011, 12:15:46
Quote from: keyboardlover;306131
This is what it looks like now :D

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/picture.php?albumid=114&pictureid=668)


You raped that poor keyboard. Did you keep the spring?
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: keyboardlover on Sun, 06 March 2011, 12:25:33
Let's just say it was worth it (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:15658&redirect=no).

Here's what's left.
(http://geekhack.org/picture.php?albumid=114&pictureid=683)
(http://geekhack.org/picture.php?albumid=114&pictureid=685)

Kidchunks bought the rest =)
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Ekaros on Mon, 07 March 2011, 13:55:15
Cherry G80-3000 LQCDE-2 USB / PS/2

Went and ordered one... 68.13€, hope it's not MX brown board...
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: JBert on Mon, 07 March 2011, 13:59:46
"not clear board"

Huh?
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Ekaros on Mon, 07 March 2011, 14:03:17
Quote from: JBert;307023
"not clear board"

Huh?


Fixed ;D
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Ekaros on Thu, 17 March 2011, 06:58:08
Yes, the G80-3000LQCDE-2 is an MX White. Just got my hands on new one. Or atleast I hope it's new ;D
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: JBert on Thu, 17 March 2011, 15:28:15
Turns out my G80-3000LQCDE-2 was put aside after all! I guess this must be the last one in stock for my retailer, as they confused me as heck when they called me to say the KB was considered EOL.

More clear silence for when the model F sounds tiring.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: rustybarnacle on Thu, 17 March 2011, 15:52:29
Are clears going to be the new reds?
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: JBert on Thu, 17 March 2011, 15:53:13
Who knows, seems they might be getting scarce for a while now that the market is flooded with reds...
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Ekaros on Thu, 17 March 2011, 16:05:15
They are quit different. Quite heavy indeed...
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: RiGS on Thu, 17 March 2011, 16:26:45
How do you like them so far?
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Ekaros on Thu, 17 March 2011, 17:32:02
Quote from: RiGS;313505
How do you like them so far?


I seriously hate the quality of Cherry, whole board flexes when I replaced the keys. Just bad compared to Filco or IBM...

After getting bit of getting used to these they are quite nice. I certainly don't bottom them out most of time. I could say they are quite different switch. Have some issues with double sized keys. But as time passes I think I might start liking them more and more. It's like activation needs about same force I use for entire MX Brown. Still, they are bit tiresome.

TL_DR: Very weird switch, don't bottom out most of time.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Ekaros on Fri, 18 March 2011, 05:58:13
Just to make clear:

G80-3000LQCDE-0(vintage) and -2(black)

Atleast the black which I now have on my desk is MX "Clear". Will post some photos if I get better camera around again.

Mine came from here:
Computeruniverse.net (http://www.computeruniverse.net/products/e90218949/cherry-g80-3000-lqcde-2-usb/ps/2.asp)

But any german site should work, my german just is quite bad...
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: The Solutor on Wed, 30 March 2011, 10:38:47
http://www.shopping.de/cherry-tastatur-g80-3000lqcde-0-grau/details/0/avin/12928841/artnr/13337604/

42.99€

Really not too bad.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: kaiserreich on Wed, 30 March 2011, 12:47:18
@Ekaros, could you post pictures please?

I'm considering to put my hands on this.
Also, I wanted to confirm whether is it the US ANSI layout or the ISO layout since the pictures for the whites and the black color keyboards are conflicting on the layout even though they have the same model number
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: The Solutor on Wed, 30 March 2011, 12:53:16
Quote from: kaiserreich;321452
@Ekaros, could you post pictures please?

I'm considering to put my hands on this.
Also, I wanted to confirm whether is it the US ANSI layout?



G80-3000LQCDE

It's a German board with the right ISO layout.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Ekaros on Wed, 30 March 2011, 12:53:29
Quote from: kaiserreich;321452
@Ekaros, could you post pictures please?

I'm considering to put my hands on this.
Also, I wanted to confirm whether is it the US ANSI layout?


Nope, mine ISO, can post some pics on weekend...
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: kaiserreich on Wed, 30 March 2011, 13:05:12
Thats  a downer. I must have US ANSI
I was thinking I could save 20USD from the price PCHOME charges after shipping

Does anyone knows other German/Austrian e-tailer ships to non-EU/Worldwide locations, preferably with the EU version of this keyboard. Any help is appreciated
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Ekaros on Wed, 30 March 2011, 13:09:30
G80-3000LQCEU-0

Should be 104 key ANSI-EU keyboard... Worse layout, but if it's what you want...
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: kaiserreich on Wed, 30 March 2011, 13:13:09
I have been typing on ANSI US ever since I used a keyboard.
Recently I tried some Chinese ISO, and the experience was awful.

Anyways, I'd really appreciate it if anyone can point me to a German/Austrian e-tailer that ships worldwide other than computeruniverse.

EDIT: Just any e-tailer  that ships worldwide with that particular keyboard would do fine. I know of PCHOME/taobao, but currently searching for cheaper alternatives
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Ekaros on Wed, 30 March 2011, 13:17:21
Quote from: kaiserreich;321472
I have been typing on ANSI US ever since I used a keyboard.
Recently I tried some Chinese ISO, and the experience was awful.

Anyways, I'd really appreciate it if anyone can point me to a German/Austrian e-tailer that ships worldwide other than computeruniverse.

EDIT: Just any e-tailer  that ships worldwide with that particular keyboard would do fine. I know of PCHOME/taobao, but currently searching for cheaper alternatives


I would just suggest googling with product name I gave, and using some translator... Might get lucky might not...
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 31 March 2011, 04:15:58
Quote from: kaiserreich;321472
I have been typing on ANSI US ever since I used a keyboard.


I'm also started with the ANSI layout, when was almost impossible to find anything else, but then the ISO layout arrived and was a great upgrade.

BTW

You can look here

http://www.preisroboter.de/search.php?search=G80-3000LQCEU-0&min=&max=&x=0&y=0

and here

http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/823341_-g80-3000-lqceu-cherry.html
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: gilgam on Thu, 31 March 2011, 05:05:10
Two weeks of a cherry clears  board and i begin to get the right feeling

The keyboard quality is far from the realforce one, cheap plastic, and a lot of flex, but on the desk it's not so bad...

The clears feeling is quite good though, i hardly mistype now and each key is registered, i have less pain of my fingers, and the tactile bump is definitely softer than in the beginning.

I haven't tested the red one but clears are quite good right now.
I miss a g80-1800 with clears,  maybe my first mod ;-)
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: delgo on Sun, 16 October 2011, 10:56:29
Sorry for somewhat gravedigging this thread but I thought it was the appropriate place to ask.

Is both the:
Cherry G80-3000 LQCDE-0
Cherry G80-3000 LQCDE-2

Clear switches? Have the option of choosing and would prefer the white one since I already have black boards but I only know for sure that the black one has clears since someone in this thread linked me to it, I read somewhere that the Q indicates that it has clears? Is the 0 or 2 only the color code of the keyboard?
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: sinis on Sun, 16 October 2011, 10:58:36
Q indicates browns. Like here (http://www.keybo.de/content/keybo.storefront/4e9aff9700e7a672273fd43f470506a5/Product/View/1037&2D1)

I am searching for a used LQCDE with a reasoneable price for a long time...
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: delgo on Sun, 16 October 2011, 11:13:13
You sure? On page 2 in this very thread.

Quote from: Ekaros;313177
Yes, the G80-3000LQCDE-2 is an MX White. Just got my hands on new one. Or atleast I hope it's new ;D

similar examples earlier in thread, also on your link it says "Soft Druckpunkt" in this thread they say that means clears and that "Ergonomik Druckpunkt" or something like that means browns.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: sinis on Sun, 16 October 2011, 11:21:59
I just asked the customer service on keybo.de via email.

EDIT: now I wait for the answer.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Clickey on Sun, 16 October 2011, 11:43:56
The ID codes on cherry boards are so random, the info in dating cherry keyboards doesn't always hold true. Cherry pretty much labels things whatever they feel like. You would probably have to buy it to find out, or ask the seller to pop a keycap and check.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: ludionisio on Sun, 16 October 2011, 14:28:06
Quote from: sinis;432280
Q indicates browns.
I am searching for a used LQCDE with a reasoneable price for a long time...

I have to disagree, I just received my g80-3000 LQCDE-2 yesterday, which I bought in Germany and it has the Cherry Clears on it. I was hoping they would come with the Browns but they did not. It is my first Mechanical KB and so far it seemed a little stiff but I enjoyed it, and it sounds really good also.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: RC-1140 on Sun, 16 October 2011, 15:28:31
@sinis: "Soft-Druckpunkt" is the German description for clear switches. "Klick-Druckpunkt" are Blues, and "Lineare Betätigung" are Blacks. Browns would be "Ergonomischer Druckpunkt" but there are no Cherry keyboards using browns which are being sold in Germany. Browns are available for purchase in America and Asia, but not in Germany.

I'm guessing now, but I feel, like Cherry sells the Browns in place of the Clears outside of Europe, so they might both share the letter "Q"
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: Magna224 on Mon, 17 October 2011, 01:05:59
The cherry POS keyboards aren't that bad looking. I like the G80-8200 it just looks a little cluttered.
(http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww18/y3ma/DSC_0112.jpg)
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: sinis on Mon, 17 October 2011, 08:20:48
Message came back:

"Leider gibt es keine Tastatur mehr mit brown switches.
Sorry Ihr KEybo.de Team"

Quote from: RC-1140;432440
@sinis: "Soft-Druckpunkt" is the German description for clear switches. "Klick-Druckpunkt" are Blues, and "Lineare Betätigung" are Blacks. Browns would be "Ergonomischer Druckpunkt" but there are no Cherry keyboards using browns which are being sold in Germany. Browns are available for purchase in America and Asia, but not in Germany.

I'm guessing now, but I feel, like Cherry sells the Browns in place of the Clears outside of Europe, so they might both share the letter "Q"

pretty much this. So if you buy a LQCDE in germany, it is MXclears.
Title: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: RC-1140 on Mon, 17 October 2011, 10:37:20
"Druck" means something like "pressure" and "Punkt" (which isn't related to Punk at all, and not even sounds like it) means "point". So this refers to the "tactile bump" of the switch.

Quote from: ripster;432720

I hate EU Electronica.


Ha, me too!
Title: Re: New boards with MX Clears?
Post by: My_Thoughts on Thu, 30 April 2015, 07:41:51
I know this is an ancient thread but I thought adding this pdf link would help will all the model numbers/options.  And the pdf is in English for the non German speakers

http://www.cherry.de/PDF/EN_G80-3000.pdf