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Title: What I dislike about blue cherries
Post by: sam113101 on Sun, 13 March 2011, 20:40:58: is that there is a big margin between the bump and the bottom. You should stop going down after the bump and just keep typing, but I can't. I HAVE to bottom out. Sound/tactile feedback isn't enough to stop me from going down any further. With buckling spring I don't have that problem, the bump is pushing me right at the bottom, there's no margin.

I'm looking for a switch that would push my fingers directly to the bottom after the bump, just like the buckling spring. I want it to be non-clicky though, and I want it to require less force than the buckling spring technology. Is there a such switch out there*?

I'm not a diagram guy, so please don't tell me to look at the diagrams. They don't tell me anything.
Also I think that tactile feedbacks are not described enough. Ok, there is a slight bump, BUT WHAT ELSE*?
Title: What I dislike about blue cherries
Post by: Khaotik55 on Sun, 13 March 2011, 20:43:19: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/4740

The only way to achieve a bottom out right after the bump is if you're pushing hard on the key. Which is what a Model M requires. Since you're pushing at a pretty hefty weight to start out with, once it gets past the bump, the force you already have on the key makes you "tack" the bottom.

The only other keyboard I can think of that does that yet gives a solid bump is what I linked. It's a scissor switch rubber dome though. (And obviously is low travel.)
Title: What I dislike about blue cherries
Post by: nigritude on Mon, 14 March 2011, 00:10:49: off topic, but nice profile pic
Title: What I dislike about blue cherries
Post by: Tony on Mon, 14 March 2011, 00:15:02: If you have to bottom out, then you can buy a Logitech or Mitsumi and do that with all your strength. They create little noise and are much cheaper.
Title: What I dislike about blue cherries
Post by: sam113101 on Mon, 14 March 2011, 16:32:26: So I should try topre?
Title: What I dislike about blue cherries
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 14 March 2011, 17:06:20: Everyone should try Topre once. Like crack.

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Title: What I dislike about blue cherries
Post by: 002 on Mon, 14 March 2011, 17:27:47: Prepare your wallet.
Title: What I dislike about blue cherries
Post by: laden3 on Mon, 14 March 2011, 18:48:20: Theoretically speaking, you can modify the location of the "bump" on a clear or brown switch by changing the location of the protrusion? (or whatever it is called).
I doubt that anyone can do it to the point that there is no inconsistency between all the switches on the keyboard.

Second way =) shorten the key travel. Add something (rubber bands or orthodontic bands) in between the keycaps and the switches. By reducing the key travel, you bottom out earlier, which can be adjusted by changing the number of bands.
Title: What I dislike about blue cherries
Post by: pitashen on Mon, 14 March 2011, 19:05:28: since the ultimate goal is to bottom out, I guess you might want to give Cherry Red a shot? Otherwise, like the above, Topre may be your last resort.
Title: What I dislike about blue cherries
Post by: Ki Bored on Mon, 14 March 2011, 19:06:03: Quote from: sam113101;311704
So I should try topre?

Well, except there is no bump on a Topre. The Topre meets your criteria of being non-clicky, but it's almost a linear switch.

You might try a Keytronic. I have a Keytronic Designer right now that I'm trying, and I would classify it as mostly non-clicky (it's not noiseless, as it is a rubber dome which makes some sound, just not a 'clacky' sound), but it is also tactile. When your finger pushes the key down, it encounters a tactile bump, once through the bump, the key gets sucked down and bottoms out. I think I know what kind of finger action you're after. The key sucks down (like a toilet plunger) after that intial bump or buckle. It's a nice feeling, and the keys are differently weighted if that's a benefit to you. Also, the Keytronic key force is much lighter than the BC.
Title: What I dislike about blue cherries
Post by: RiGS on Mon, 14 March 2011, 19:30:40: That graph is far from linear.
Title: What I dislike about blue cherries
Post by: phototristan on Mon, 14 March 2011, 21:48:04: When I had a Cherry Blue Filco I was telling myself, heck, if I'm gonna be typing on a keyboard that's this loud and feels this way I may as well be on a buckling spring board. Buckling spring feels much better in comparison, IMO.
Title: What I dislike about blue cherries
Post by: killy on Mon, 14 March 2011, 22:45:35: I just received my Cherry blue Noppoo today.

Do the MX blue switches have a bit of a 'catch' on the way up? That is, just before they fully pop up they seem to be stopped by something, leading do a bit of an upward bump as well. Looking at ripster's posts and the animation, I am inclined to think this is intended but just wanted to make sure.

Also, 10 or more years of typing have apparently taught me not to bottom out at all. Feels nice.
Title: What I dislike about blue cherries
Post by: Cryptoman on Tue, 15 March 2011, 00:02:37: What if you put something resembling a washer underneath each keycap to limit the travel to just beyond the tactile bump?