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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: FILCO on Tue, 22 March 2011, 15:15:46
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For those who wanted to hear what MX Blues sounded like with someone playing on a Razer Blackwidow, here is a video of someone playing and losing their match on ESEA on the game Counter-Strike Source:
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I played in main leagues, and I can tell you, if you value your gameplay, you will not play FPS with Cherry Blues!
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And these guys are horrible. But then again ... its ESEA
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I played in main leagues, and I can tell you, if you value your gameplay, you will not play FPS with Cherry Blues!
Just out of sheer curiosity what reason do you cite for this?
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keyboard use if for preference. linear switches may technically better for FPS, but if you don't like using them, it won't bet better for you. Just find a board you are comfortable with.
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Just out of sheer curiosity what reason do you cite for this?
Mainly because there is a small catch on the way up from the keypress. So I find sometimes my strafes get messed up along with any time I need to completely release a key. I "feel" like I released the key, but I don't actually. It's hard to explain because I'm a keyboard noob.
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Mainly because there is a small catch on the way up from the keypress. So I find sometimes my strafes get messed up along with any time I need to completely release a key. I "feel" like I released the key, but I don't actually. It's hard to explain because I'm a keyboard noob.
Is it just that the point of release is above the point of actuation, where you expect it to be? I spend a fair amount of time playing fps's and was trying to decide between blues and browns. Was thinking blues but if they're truly that bad...
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The actuation is actually a very short travel distance from the initial resting position. However, if you bottom out like most FPS players do, there is quite a bit of travel distance from where it actuates to where it bottoms out. So that means it needs to travel that same long distance back up before you can press the key again. That, combined with the fact that there is actually a noticeable catch on the way up, results in me misinterpreting a few keypresses. It really depends on your gameplay as well. If you move a lot when you shoot (strafing), or even when you AWP, you may be misled into thinking you've completely released your previous key when you actually didn't.
For example, this has happened to me several times:
I move a lot when I AWP, so lets say I'm moving left, then I see the enemy, I press right to counter my left movement to make me stop faster so I can shoot the awp. Well, when I press right to counter, I sometimes haven't fully released the left (A button) so I continue moving left causing me to miss my shot and some times die.
Also, another issue I've had is if I try to press the same button more than once (2, 3, or 4 times) I commonly find myself not pressing it as many times as I like because I get to the position where it catches, and I press down again without actually letting it get past the catch so that I may actuate the switch again. So when I mean to press a,a,a,a the keyboard actually only registers me pressing some times a,a,a or even a,a. In a fast pace style game like FPS, it is just another thing to worry about.
I'm sorry if this is difficult to understand, I'm not usually the best at explaining things. Maybe you should just buy a Razer blackwidow (the cheap $70 one) and give it a try. If it doesn't bother you ... then, meh!
P.S.
I've both brown and red switches as well, and this has never happened. So regardless of my ****ty explanation, I do believe there is a strong correlation between my issues and the blue switches.
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Ah, personally I've never tried the blue cherry but wouldn't you adapt to this change?
Sure it wouldn't be ideal, but say during a double tap you release the key fully and the press down again would that solve the problem? or is the issue that the key is slow in coming back up after depression?
It just seems to me like something gamers might exaggerate the importance of. For example mouse prediction, sure some people prefer it off (I prefer it off personally) however playing with it is perfectly acceptable, however since steelseries have marketed no-prediction it has caused mass-hysteria in gaming communities with MX518s burnt in effigy.
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On a sidenote at 2:18 I honestly thought he had a skinned dog rug.
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That dude sounds Canadian. Also his mouse sensitivity is terrible and he just doesn't appear to be very good at the game in general. I bet I could pwn with that keyboard.
Edit: I watched that whole video. Seriously, that guy is a noob at CS:S. Don't be surprised by the fact that he's using TS and "appears" to have a clue what he's doing. He sucks.
I don't think it's the keyboard.
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His mouse seems like it has acceleration off with too low of a sensitivity... D: I bet I could pwn too, but I was trying the Blackwidow in a store, getting a feel for strictly double-tapping (dodge in UT, which is like... the most important part of the game)
It was like hell on earth. I guess for typing they would be fine, but holy crap, they just felt gross. I can't imagine trying to play on blues and being happy with it. :S
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He never checked his corners and for some reason felt compelled to walk directly into every cloud of smoke he saw from a flashbang or smoke grenade. Then he wondered why he got shot. What an idiot!
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His mouse seems like it has acceleration off with too low of a sensitivity... D: I bet I could pwn too, but I was trying the Blackwidow in a store, getting a feel for strictly double-tapping (dodge in UT, which is like... the most important part of the game)
It was like hell on earth. I guess for typing they would be fine, but holy crap, they just felt gross. I can't imagine trying to play on blues and being happy with it. :S
i play with acceleration off and low sensitivity.
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He doesn't pivot with his elbow which you would expect looking at his sens, he picks up his mouse very often due to his sensitivity and how he moves his mouse. Don't really understand people who would play like this.
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That dude sounds Canadian. Also his mouse sensitivity is terrible and he just doesn't appear to be very good at the game in general. I bet I could pwn with that keyboard.
Edit: I watched that whole video. Seriously, that guy is a noob at CS:S. Don't be surprised by the fact that he's using TS and "appears" to have a clue what he's doing. He sucks.
I don't think it's the keyboard.
I was actually thinking the exact same thing, and made a comment about how these guys are horrible "main" players. I deleted it so I wouldn't offend anyone.
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Listening to his keystrokes, it sounds like he actuates pretty slowly compared to what you can do with blue cherries. IMO, the switches aren't the problem, he isn't or can't get used to them. When I was using them a few weeks ago, I could actuate them a LOT faster if need be, without any problems. I'm using browns, have a Leopold with browns on order, but do miss the blues a bit. I'm debating whether to order a poker with browns or blues and have a few days to decide yet. The biggest problem I have right now is the size of this Cherry G80-8113, as I have it at a bit of an awkward angle, causing me to mess up a few keytrokes. 10keyless or smaller in FPS games is really important, even though a lot of people don't realize that, but at the same time, you do adjust to what you have.
His sense doesn't look that low. Unaccelerated, it takes me about 16 inches to do a 360. I've tweaked accel pretty well, so I use that to compensate. I know a guy who's over 20 inches for a 360, and he will destroy 99.9% of FPS players out there when it comes to aim. IMO, dropping below 10 inches a 360 can be a disadvantage when trying to precisely aim hitscan weapons.
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He doesn't pivot with his elbow which you would expect looking at his sens, he picks up his mouse very often due to his sensitivity and how he moves his mouse. Don't really understand people who would play like this.
I'm not sure what you're saying. I never move my elbow and my sensitivity is very low. I always pick my mouse off the mousepad.
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Listening to his keystrokes, it sounds like he actuates pretty slowly compared to what you can do with blue cherries. IMO, the switches aren't the problem, he isn't or can't get used to them. When I was using them a few weeks ago, I could actuate them a LOT faster if need be, without any problems. I'm using browns, have a Leopold with browns on order, but do miss the blues a bit. I'm debating whether to order a poker with browns or blues and have a few days to decide yet. The biggest problem I have right now is the size of this Cherry G80-8113, as I have it at a bit of an awkward angle, causing me to mess up a few keytrokes. 10keyless or smaller in FPS games is really important, even though a lot of people don't realize that, but at the same time, you do adjust to what you have.
His sense doesn't look that low. Unaccelerated, it takes me about 16 inches to do a 360. I've tweaked accel pretty well, so I use that to compensate. I know a guy who's over 20 inches for a 360, and he will destroy 99.9% of FPS players out there when it comes to aim. IMO, dropping below 10 inches a 360 can be a disadvantage when trying to precisely aim hitscan weapons.
I think you kids might be doing it wrong. It takes me over 20 inches to do a 180. And I'm positive I can outaim anyone in this forum. ;) If it takes you 16 inches to do a 360, your sensitivity is pretty high still. Anyways, reading this thread proves me none of you kids even know how to play this game. All talk.
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NO ONE is over 20 inches. Except for Panda-R's bamboo.
(I'd post the meme pic but Ripster will whine about it).
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Anyways, reading this thread proves me none of you kids even know how to play this game. All talk.
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Sorry, forgot. You're a pro [strike]lamer[/strike] gamer.
What exactly is the going salary for a pro CS:S gamer these days?
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NO ONE is over 20 inches. Except for Panda-R's bamboo.
(I'd post the meme pic but Ripster will whine about it).
Okay that is true. Damn that panda.
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I think you kids might be doing it wrong. It takes me over 20 inches to do a 180. And I'm positive I can outaim anyone in this forum. ;) If it takes you 16 inches to do a 360, your sensitivity is pretty high still. Anyways, reading this thread proves me none of you kids even know how to play this game. All talk.
Usually a swipe from the beginning side of the mousepad to the end, is about 270 degrees for me sort of like in that regnam video where he shows whether your computer has acceleration or not. You sound like some sort of expert. What's your in-game sensitivity, windows sensitivity, resolution, DPI, and crosshairscale?
That dude sounds Canadian. Also his mouse sensitivity is terrible and he just doesn't appear to be very good at the game in general. I bet I could pwn with that keyboard.
Edit: I watched that whole video. Seriously, that guy is a noob at CS:S. Don't be surprised by the fact that he's using TS and "appears" to have a clue what he's doing. He sucks.
I don't think it's the keyboard.
lol, it's Mumble, not TS.
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CSS lol
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I think you kids might be doing it wrong. It takes me over 20 inches to do a 180. And I'm positive I can outaim anyone in this forum. ;) If it takes you 16 inches to do a 360, your sensitivity is pretty high still. Anyways, reading this thread proves me none of you kids even know how to play this game. All talk.
Are you a troll, or do you just enjoy making baseless conjecture? I play Quake Live, not CS, and not one of the many pro and amateur players that I've spoken with who have OUTSTANDING aim use a sensitivity that low (self included). The lowest I know of was maybe 26-28 inches for a 360, and he started raising that a bit because it was hindering movement. Which is the other thing, at least in Quake Live, if you use a sense that low, you WILL handicap your movement. And bull**** that your sense has to be even close to that low to have good aim in CS.
Advice to others: ignore this newb, he's clueless.
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What's your in-game sensitivity, windows sensitivity, resolution, DPI, and crosshairscale?
You're not asking the right questions. The easiest approach is simply how many inches a 360. Mouse drivers will interfere with sensitivity measurements, so you have to make sure that you have the same drivers, same version, exact same settings, EPP may need to be turned off, etc. It's simpler to just ask how many inches/360 (or 180). DPI doesn't matter either, as that just changes the sensitivity you have to use at a given DPI...
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Are you a troll, or do you just enjoy making baseless conjecture? I play Quake Live, not CS, and not one of the many pro and amateur players that I've spoken with who have OUTSTANDING aim use a sensitivity that low (self included). The lowest I know of was maybe 26-28 inches for a 360, and he started raising that a bit because it was hindering movement. Which is the other thing, at least in Quake Live, if you use a sense that low, you WILL handicap your movement. And bull**** that your sense has to be even close to that low to have good aim in CS.
Advice to others: ignore this newb, he's clueless.
Don't be offended by the truth. Maybe if you're clueless as to where the enemy is, you may need that high of a sensitivity. However, if you play smart, use sound, you will never need that high sensitivity. High sensitivity does affect your aim. How on earth do you flickshot awp with that high sens? And please, don't comment on CS if you play QUAKE. Two different FPS.
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Just look at his sens, I doubt Fatal1ty was bad. (Don't know if he plays anymore) CS and Quake have a totally different pace, I wouldn't compare them.
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Don't be offended by the truth. Maybe if you're clueless as to where the enemy is, you may need that high of a sensitivity. However, if you play smart, use sound, you will never need that high sensitivity. High sensitivity does affect your aim. How on earth do you flickshot awp with that high sens? And please, don't comment on CS if you play QUAKE. Two different FPS.
The lulz you bring. Good players know you can't locate an enemy by sound every single time, which underscores your lack of knowledge. If you can flick a shot in one FPS, you can flick a shot in another FPS using a comparable sense, and the idea that you have to be running 30-40 inches / 360 in order to hit flick shots is a joke. Sensitivity obviously applies to multiple games and I'll comment on it as I see fit.
Troll on newb, troll on...
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The lulz you bring. Good players know you can't locate an enemy by sound every single time, which underscores your lack of knowledge. If you can flick a shot in one FPS, you can flick a shot in another FPS using a comparable sense, and the idea that you have to be running 30-40 inches / 360 in order to hit flick shots is a joke. Sensitivity obviously applies to multiple games and I'll comment on it as I see fit.
Troll on newb, troll on...
Okay, you really have no clue as to what you are talking about. Even FPS' of the same engine (L4D and Team Fortress 2) are completely different in regards to shooting.
"Good players know you can't locate an enemy by sound every single time"
Man, you really have no idea what you are talking about.
I'll be ignoring you from now on.
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Just look at his sens, I doubt Fatal1ty was bad. (Don't know if he plays anymore) CS ans Quake have a totally different pace, I wouldn't compare them.
You're right. His comment regarding sensitivity applies to Quake not CS.
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Well, I admit I was wrong. My one of my pro friends is online and he said he runs about 40 inches a 360 in Counterstrike vs 26-28 in Quake. He said the low sense "concentrates sprays nicely and i can pepper box's walls pretty easily."
However, I do know my **** in Quake. You can walk or stand still, emitting no noise, making sound location useless. You do come across like a troll, acting full of yourself, calling people kid, etc.
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Lol, mouse sensitivity and this keyboard are NOT this guy's major issues. Look how whenever he sees smoke he runs straight into it. Is that a NOOB move or what? He's just asking to get shot doing that. Also he moves slowly and doesn't strafe/cover his corners like he should.
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i think we can all agree to something like this "while i'm not a great cs/quake/fps player... watching this guy play, not impressed i am".
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Funny to see the amount of gamers comparing e-peens on this forum, it's hardly relevant.
However I would be much more inclined to listen to some who plays quake (great game, very few casuals, most players have been playing for years) compared to CSS.. well the least I say about that the better.
I much much prefer 1.6 (although its not without its flaws).
Also I was going to point out that comparing sens from Quake to CSS is pretty silly.
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I used my blue cherry board for cs for awhile and it was fine.
Anyway.
No accel is the way to go.
Low sens for CS. High sens for Q3A. Source sucks. Anybody comparing shooting in quake to shooting in cs has never played cs. The end.
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no idea about the keyboard but sensitivity really changes from game to game..
you could never compare the sensitivity of a game like cs with quakelive.
totally different ganeplay,gamestyle,moving speed, engine,...............
in quakelive you turn around 180 degees like 700 times in a game and shoot in every direction. If you get hit once it doesnt mean at all that you are dead. In cs, when the enemy is behind you, then you are mostly dead anyway. no need to even turn around :P (well ofc you still have a chance to kill someone behind you.. but the chances are like 0 compared to quakelive/rtcw/enemy territory/... ).
Low sens for CS. High sens for Q3A. Source sucks. Anybody comparing shooting in quake to shooting in cs has never played cs. The end.
+10000
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Well, I admit I was wrong. My one of my pro friends is online and he said he runs about 40 inches a 360 in Counterstrike vs 26-28 in Quake. He said the low sense "concentrates sprays nicely and i can pepper box's walls pretty easily."
However, I do know my **** in Quake. You can walk or stand still, emitting no noise, making sound location useless. You do come across like a troll, acting full of yourself, calling people kid, etc.
That was more or less of a joke. These forums are filled with 'kids' that make stupid comments and the only way to release your frustration is to let out a little of your inner troll.
Yes, 40 inches to 360 is right on with mine.
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Funny to see the amount of gamers comparing e-peens on this forum, it's hardly relevant.
However I would be much more inclined to listen to some who plays quake (great game, very few casuals, most players have been playing for years) compared to CSS.. well the least I say about that the better.
I much much prefer 1.6 (although its not without its flaws).
Also I was going to point out that comparing sens from Quake to CSS is pretty silly.
My comment regarding outaiming anyone was really directed towards PM. I'm used to people saying things like that in scrims/matches along with other trash talk. My point, as subtle as it is, was simply no one can claim anyone can outaim 99.9% of FPS players. Especially comparing quake vs CS. CS (I'm talking about league playing here ... scrims and matches) is a much more tactical, critical, technical game that requires very precise skills. If you argue otherwise, you're just a pubstar that plays in public servers.
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I don't really play css at all.
I used to play Enemy Territory but just irc wars at the moment, playing WoW most of the time.
ET is a quake based game and is a lot more demanding of your keyboard and mouse than css is.
http://www.own3d.tv/video/51635/ALNC_Movie
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I don't really play css at all.
I used to play Enemy Territory but just irc wars at the moment, playing WoW most of the time.
ET is a quake based game and is a lot more demanding of your keyboard and mouse than css is.
http://www.own3d.tv/video/51635/ALNC_Movie
Sorry, that last statement was a generalized statement and not directed at you.
That game looks very similar to Day of Defeat. Same models even. DoD was a pretty fun game.
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ye Enemy Territory is an awesome game :) Playing it for 5 years already but as the game is dying i start to play quakelive more and more. So i´m looking for a keyboard to play those games.
guess brown or red for me.. maybe red will become cheaper and i will get that one :)
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Team based like TF2, however the physics of it are quake 3 - very fast and you hit where you shoot.
When playing games I think you are less like to notice a difference between browns and reds because the tactile bump is very slight and you most likely will be bottoming out the keys playing quake.
Reds are very nice switches though!
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I find buckling springs much better for gaming and typing for that matter. Model Ms are becoming too under rated imo.
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Anyway.
No accel is the way to go.
For Q3, it's really preferential. Most people haven't put the time in to tweak accel properly. I don't ctf, but I hear a lot of them accel, and one of the best pro middle defense players accels. But you use what works for you, most don't, but a few know how to implement and use it very well.
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ye Enemy Territory is an awesome game :) Playing it for 5 years already but as the game is dying i start to play quakelive more and more. So i´m looking for a keyboard to play those games.
Check the group buy for the poker. Smaller keyboards give you more desk space for large mousepads and better physical positioning. Once you go to a 10keyleas or smaller, you never want to go back.
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Check the group buy for the poker. Smaller keyboards give you more desk space for large mousepads and better physical positioning. Once you go to a 10keyleas or smaller, you never want to go back.
this KBC poker?
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=16163
its ****ing big :S i want a tenkeyless like the filco which is way smaller. + it should come from europe + german layout
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this KBC poker?
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=16163
its ****ing big :S i want a tenkeyless like the filco which is way smaller. + it should come from europe + german layout
what?
(http://i.imgur.com/70ZuA.jpg)
Much smaller than a filco tenkeyless.
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this KBC poker?
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=16163
its ****ing big :S i want a tenkeyless like the filco which is way smaller. + it should come from europe + german layout
You're looking at the keycaps ... not the keyboard. The keyboard is smaller than a tenkeyless.
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Why are you guys arguing what mouse sensitivity is best. It all boils down to personal preference.
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Why are you guys arguing what mouse sensitivity is best. It all boils down to personal preference.
Shut up. You play starcraft. For gay people. GAY!
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hmm it propably is already too small :S
alto its frm the us..
so 99$ buying + 50-60$ shipping + custom fees = same price as a filco from europe
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Where did all these OCN guys come from (OCN obv) and why are they talking about mouse sens in a keyboard sub-forum.
And Strum4h ís right, it all depends on preference, if you like your sens a tad higher than that ultra low **** of yours why bother what the "pros" are using. Just have a fun time alright.
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Where did all these OCN guys come from (OCN obv) and why are they talking about mouse sens in a keyboard sub-forum.
And Strum4h ís right, it all depends on preference, if you like your sens a tad higher than that ultra low **** of yours why bother what the "pros" are using. Just have a fun time alright.
Yeah man! YEEEAAAH!!!! MAN!
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hmm it propably is already too small :S
alto its frm the us..
so 99$ buying + 50-60$ shipping + custom fees = same price as a filco from europe
First you say it is too big then you say it is too small...pick one or the other!
Anyway, get in on the euro group buys at deskthority or whatever
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Shut up. You play starcraft. For gay people. GAY!
I also played a lot of quake, utk2k4, 1.6 and source
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Who needs aim anyway...
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First you say it is too big then you say it is too small...pick one or the other!
Anyway, get in on the euro group buys at deskthority or whatever
first i looked at the wrong picture.. now i got the right one and it looks too small already.
hmm will check out the euro group buy pricing, thanks.
@edit: no german layout on deskthority