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Title: team liquid key
Post by: Son of Gnome on Sun, 03 April 2011, 01:41:45: Key guys i thought maybe for the next group buy we could get the team liquid logo on a esc key. anyone else interested?
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Post by: HaveANiceDay on Sun, 03 April 2011, 09:15:35: Yes.
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Post by: explicit on Sun, 03 April 2011, 09:35:32: I want this
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Post by: keyboardlover on Sun, 03 April 2011, 09:37:11: I guess now we'll know how many people came here from Team Liquid. Thank goodness no one's asked for a custom "OCN" key!
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Post by: tacite on Sun, 03 April 2011, 09:42:21: Can we make OCN key? :whip:
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Post by: Ekaros on Sun, 03 April 2011, 09:47:40: Quote from: tacite;323714
Can we make OCN key? :whip:

Hmm, if we use just OCN it would even be cheap one ;D You could destroy, burn and so on it with no remorse ;D
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Post by: speakeasy on Sun, 03 April 2011, 10:15:12: Depends on how well it translates to a doubleshot key
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Post by: tacite on Sun, 03 April 2011, 10:19:34: It should fit into Mah new "ultimate gaming" keyboard

(http://2pep.com/funny%20pics/cool%20pics%20weird%20picture/cool_pictures_crazy_fun_images_keyboard-bench03.jpg)
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Post by: 7bit on Sun, 03 April 2011, 10:48:26: Quote from: tacite;323737
It should fit into Mah new "ultimate gaming" keyboard

Show Image
(http://2pep.com/funny%20pics/cool%20pics%20weird%20picture/cool_pictures_crazy_fun_images_keyboard-bench03.jpg)

Looks like an ergonomic matrix layout keyboard.

Seems to have 2000 keys!

Round 3 comes with around 700 different keys, so we definitly need 1300 more!
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Post by: Metalix on Sun, 03 April 2011, 13:18:06: I say yes!
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Post by: zaerst on Sun, 03 April 2011, 13:35:50: Ripster would buy out all the OCN keys
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Post by: DejaHu on Sun, 03 April 2011, 15:30:46: this is a good idea.
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Post by: n12 on Sun, 03 April 2011, 22:34:34: Rofl ripster...
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Post by: Chojo31 on Sun, 03 April 2011, 23:51:04: Holy crap i want this!
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Post by: Tempy on Mon, 04 April 2011, 00:05:01: heck yes
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Post by: bullock on Mon, 04 April 2011, 00:26:04: hi,, anyone can connect Team Liquid Team (SC II) ??
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Post by: HaveANiceDay on Mon, 04 April 2011, 10:34:56: hi,,, what do you mean with connect?

Contact them? If they want some too?
I think Jinro has a Black Widow and Tyler has a Filco, so they could use one potentially.
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Post by: hate on Mon, 04 April 2011, 10:46:29: by connect i gues he means contact them and ask if its ok to use their logo.
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Post by: Tranquilite on Mon, 04 April 2011, 11:17:59: It would also be nice to ask them if they have any SVG, or other vector art version of their logo they are willing to give us. Because otherwise someone will have to make the SVG themselves.
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Post by: dracaXL on Mon, 04 April 2011, 14:09:56: I'm certainly interested!
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Post by: bananaboy2 on Tue, 05 April 2011, 18:14:45: Count me in!
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Post by: Celerity on Tue, 05 April 2011, 20:13:17: Oh I would definitely be in for this.
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Post by: Son of Gnome on Tue, 05 April 2011, 22:02:57: wow i didnt expect people to be so into this ^^ sc ftw
geekhack fighting!!!!
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Post by: Fwiffo on Tue, 05 April 2011, 22:17:31: Did you even see how many Starcraft race keys we sold in Round Three?

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sold out|SCWINTERRAN | 70|$2.5 | 1|Starcraft Terran-Shield 1.25 mod. sold out|SCESCTERRAN | 60|$2 | 1|Starcraft Terran-Shield funct. sold out|SCWINPROTOSS | 80|$2.5 | 1|Starcraft Protoss-Std. 1.25 mod. sold out|SCESCPROTOSS | 70|$2 | 1|Starcraft Protoss-Std. funct. sold out|SCWINZERG | 70|$2.5 | 1|Starcraft Zerg simpl. 1.25 mod. sold out|SCESCZERG | 65|$2 | 1|Starcraft Zerg simpl. funct. sold out|SCWINRANDOM | 25|$3.5 | 1|Starcraft Random 1.25 mod. sold out|SCESCRANDOM | 35|$2.5 | 1|Starcraft Random funct.
We could probably even do keys with other team logos (oGs, etc.).
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Post by: godofdeath on Tue, 05 April 2011, 22:20:07: just stick with the races

if they want it they should all come to the forums and get in on round 4
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Post by: qvindtar on Tue, 05 April 2011, 22:25:46: Quote from: Fwiffo;325377
Did you even see how many Starcraft race keys we sold in Round Three?

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sold out|SCWINTERRAN | 70|$2.5 | 1|Starcraft Terran-Shield 1.25 mod. sold out|SCESCTERRAN | 60|$2 | 1|Starcraft Terran-Shield funct. sold out|SCWINPROTOSS | 80|$2.5 | 1|Starcraft Protoss-Std. 1.25 mod. sold out|SCESCPROTOSS | 70|$2 | 1|Starcraft Protoss-Std. funct. sold out|SCWINZERG | 70|$2.5 | 1|Starcraft Zerg simpl. 1.25 mod. sold out|SCESCZERG | 65|$2 | 1|Starcraft Zerg simpl. funct. sold out|SCWINRANDOM | 25|$3.5 | 1|Starcraft Random 1.25 mod. sold out|SCESCRANDOM | 35|$2.5 | 1|Starcraft Random funct.

We could probably even do keys with other team logos (oGs, etc.).

Looking forward to my Protoss keys! (I'd buy a TL key as well).
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Post by: NormaJean on Fri, 08 April 2011, 08:30:40: I want MOAR!
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Post by: Oproer on Fri, 08 April 2011, 08:39:29: I'd love a TeamLiquid key...
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Post by: Fwiffo on Fri, 08 April 2011, 08:47:38: Has anyone acquired a vector file of the logo to work with? There will need to be some adjustments (the eye, nostril and mouth may be too small for the double-shot process).
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Post by: mikesaysno on Fri, 08 April 2011, 11:51:38: I'd totally buy a TL key.
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Post by: Son of Gnome on Fri, 08 April 2011, 14:02:40: i have no idea what a vector file is...
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Post by: Fwiffo on Fri, 08 April 2011, 14:33:17: SVG or similar (postscript, adobe illustrator, WMF, some PDF files, etc.).
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Post by: JinDesu on Fri, 08 April 2011, 15:39:20: I'd be interested in multiple copies of this key.
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Post by: GuFF on Fri, 08 April 2011, 17:42:05: I'd definitely be interested in 2 or 4, depends if we'd have them normal or/and function key :)
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Post by: Son of Gnome on Fri, 08 April 2011, 19:23:31: ok so i need to convert the image i have into a WMF??
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Post by: Fwiffo on Fri, 08 April 2011, 22:58:10: Ultimately, it'll need to be an SVG.
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Post by: Son of Gnome on Sat, 09 April 2011, 02:47:15: ok im sorry im not tech savvy at all so how would i conver it to svg
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Post by: Fwiffo on Sat, 09 April 2011, 10:55:48: I can do it, but ideally we'd get something much better looking if we got the vector logo from Teamliquid. Someone would have designed the logo in a program like Adobe Illustrator, which would result in a scalable version they could use for all sorts of purposes; on the web, for their clothing, printed materials, etc. Converting from a bitmap will get lower quality results.

Although the bigger concern is that some of the small details will not work.
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Post by: Son of Gnome on Sat, 09 April 2011, 12:39:48: ok well i will try to contact team liquid about it and try to get the svg file.
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Post by: Gfresh404 on Tue, 19 April 2011, 23:18:55: I'd buy one
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Post by: DRG on Tue, 19 April 2011, 23:21:10: I'll buy a few =]
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Post by: Valeranth on Tue, 19 April 2011, 23:58:14: I'd buy some. :) Maybe white and blue like the logo to match my white blanks ill be getting. :D
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Post by: Son of Gnome on Wed, 20 April 2011, 00:50:10: no reply from team liquid... so idk...
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Post by: GuFF on Wed, 20 April 2011, 04:46:02: Quote from: Son of Gnome;334003
no reply from team liquid... so idk...

Did you send a pm or made a topic ?
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Post by: bananaboy2 on Thu, 21 April 2011, 14:22:09: I doubt they'll care if we use their logo for some keycaps for personal use.
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Post by: kektr0city on Thu, 21 April 2011, 16:01:15: the issue wasn't whether or not they cared about the use of their logo. the issues were "can we get their logo in SVG format for a proper key?" and "would any TL members be interested in a TL key?" i think the answer to both of those would be yes so long as they get to sell them through the TL store.
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Post by: Gfresh404 on Sat, 23 April 2011, 20:54:11: Any progress on this?

I'd love to help but photoshop and the like are not my strong suites.
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Post by: naret on Sun, 24 April 2011, 17:08:11: I need this
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Post by: Fe4rless on Wed, 27 April 2011, 01:44:36: i would love a team liquid keycap...or really any sort of starcraft keycap
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Post by: Son of Gnome on Thu, 28 April 2011, 00:33:59: ok guys just an update i tried to contact them on their business email and I have not got a response i think we are on our own for this one.
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Post by: speakeasy on Sun, 01 May 2011, 06:35:43: lol you clowns, make the SVG file yourself by tracing over the logo with some program that can make SVGs. I wouldn't be surprised if TL doesn't even have a SVG file of their logo themselves, it's probably done in a raster program, stop spamming their inbox.

of course, there's the issue of editing the SVG file so that it translate well to the doubleshot key. I think someone already mentioned, liberties might have to be taken with the horse's nose and mouth.
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Post by: Son of Gnome on Sun, 01 May 2011, 12:09:37: well can anyone here make it into a svg file?
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Post by: HaveANiceDay on Sun, 01 May 2011, 16:35:39: All right. Here it is.

Render of the SVG:
(http://i.imgur.com/u0rlG.png)

SVG and the HUGE ASS REFERENCE PNG are in the zip.
Feel free to tweak until it passes the specifications.
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Post by: sndstrm on Mon, 02 May 2011, 14:31:36: I'm definitely down for a team liquid key.
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Post by: Son of Gnome on Mon, 02 May 2011, 14:33:05: aweome ty!
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Post by: bananaboy2 on Tue, 03 May 2011, 20:24:01: So is this happening :D
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Post by: Son of Gnome on Wed, 04 May 2011, 18:05:52: i dont know i honestly know nothing about svg or anything like this so someone will have to take over for it.
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Post by: kektr0city on Thu, 05 May 2011, 10:01:43: probably going to have to talk to KL or someone with a relationship with signature plastics, unless your willing to just call them up on your own and get the ball rolling. ultimately, it would prolly be better to offer this key as a bigger starcraft key group buy because then you get a better price for ordering more keys. i would definitely buy a package that had logo keys for terran, zerg, protoss, random, wings of liberty / sc2, TL, OGS, SlayerS, EG, ROOT, FXO, and Fnatic. right there, there's enough keys to make a 12 key F# keyset.
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Post by: sndstrm on Thu, 05 May 2011, 10:06:42: Quote from: kektr0city;342049
probably going to have to talk to KL or someone with a relationship with signature plastics, unless your willing to just call them up on your own and get the ball rolling. ultimately, it would prolly be better to offer this key as a bigger starcraft key group buy because then you get a better price for ordering more keys. i would definitely buy a package that had logo keys for terran, zerg, protoss, random, wings of liberty / sc2, TL, OGS, SlayerS, TSL, Sta Life, FXO, and Fnatic. right there, there's enough keys to make a 12 key F# keyset.

I second this recommendation. I would put in an order of several SC logo keys, and I think that everyone else would too. I have missed the group buys for those type keys.
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Post by: Ink`Eyes on Thu, 05 May 2011, 12:27:45: I'd like to get a key as well. I hope this works out.
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Post by: NumberJ on Thu, 05 May 2011, 13:55:42: i'd be in for one
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Post by: Tempy on Thu, 05 May 2011, 14:32:37: can we make keys that look like hatchery, cc and nexus? that would just be awesome lol, just rip out whatever key you use for main base and pop it in.
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Post by: Ink`Eyes on Thu, 05 May 2011, 14:53:48: Quote from: Tempy;342150
can we make keys that look like hatchery, cc and nexus? that would just be awesome lol, just rip out whatever key you use for main base and pop it in.

That would be awesome. I plan on making my keyboard ridiculous and since Starcraft is my favorite game I'd get any keycaps related to it.
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Post by: Fwiffo on Thu, 05 May 2011, 15:12:06: I can handle making a compliant SVG file when I get time. Probably this will be part of the next group order, whenever that is. I think most of the forum is still waiting for the last group order to actually be manufactured and shipped before they get started on a new one. The process takes months.
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Post by: bananaboy2 on Thu, 05 May 2011, 16:47:11: I'd be all over a Fnatic key as well
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Post by: Son of Gnome on Thu, 05 May 2011, 20:12:42: i would to but i cant be the head of this guys i have finals now and i just dont have the time.
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Post by: HaveANiceDay on Thu, 05 May 2011, 22:11:21: This won't happen for at least a few weeks.
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Post by: reaper on Fri, 06 May 2011, 08:37:09: I'm in. That would look great as an Esc key.
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Post by: Zet on Wed, 11 May 2011, 00:33:19: I wish I lived on US to get this, but having the key shipped to south america would be the hard part for me =( still I would love to have one!
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Post by: Azuremen on Wed, 11 May 2011, 01:06:39: I can think of a few people that would love to have these, so I'd be in for at least one, if not more. Even if just as gifts...
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Post by: speakeasy on Wed, 11 May 2011, 10:53:44: Quote from: HaveANiceDay;342339
This won't happen for at least a few weeks.

lmao, that's a bit optimistic don't you think?. you'd be lucky if you got these things before 2012.
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Post by: Evil_Spork on Thu, 12 May 2011, 12:23:49: I don't think the poor TL horse would end up looking much like a horse after meeting spacing and line size requirements.. :(
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Post by: Son of Gnome on Fri, 13 May 2011, 02:59:27: ok who do i get in contact with to get these made? Who makes the keys for the group buys
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Post by: HaveANiceDay on Fri, 13 May 2011, 09:28:14: Chill dood. It will take weeks until we even have to think about doing this key.
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Post by: noodles256 on Sat, 14 May 2011, 17:50:37: Sc2
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Post by: Son of Gnome on Sun, 15 May 2011, 19:45:37: Quote from: HaveANiceDay;345735
Chill dood. It will take weeks until we even have to think about doing this key.

okk good i thought i had to get this thing like going right now.
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Post by: k0n1t on Mon, 16 May 2011, 05:00:35: i want
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Post by: vizion on Fri, 27 May 2011, 05:39:43: hi im new to this forum but i would definitly be interested in getting acouple of these.
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Post by: flaming_june on Sun, 05 June 2011, 07:43:18: There's going to be a fnatic key?!
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Post by: onesie on Sun, 05 June 2011, 13:47:08: id buy one as well
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Post by: sndstrm on Sun, 05 June 2011, 15:29:57: What we need is an enter/backspace key that says "sc2 + ladder = cheese", but with images.

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Post by: kpeezy on Sun, 05 June 2011, 23:55:10: I definitely want some SC2 keys but I don't really want a TL key.
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Post by: Oproer on Mon, 06 June 2011, 07:22:52: You can also design a dignitas key. Their logo would lend itself pretty well for that I'd imagine.
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Post by: roknir on Fri, 22 July 2011, 15:30:43: I'd love a TL key as well.
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Post by: Ballcuzzi on Thu, 28 July 2011, 13:29:41: +1 buyer here if this goes through :)
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Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 01 August 2011, 22:15:29: Round 4 is underway ppl. Anyone wanna step up and make the SVG file?
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Post by: Floob on Tue, 02 August 2011, 13:51:00: I believe that I've tweaked the TL logo so it fits the criteria outlined here (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?16022-SVG-for-double-shot-keys-How-To!).

EDIT: Definitely could use some prettifying.
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Post by: Wihl on Tue, 02 August 2011, 16:46:03: Quote from: Floob;391694
I believe that I've tweaked the TL logo so it fits the criteria outlined here (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?16022-SVG-for-double-shot-keys-How-To!).

EDIT: Definitely could use some prettifying.
I did something similar during work but never got around to upload it. I was never really confident if I was understanding the guide correctly or not.. I noticed you did not move the eye or the black "nose" object. Should there not be a 0.5 mm gap between them and the rest of the object that is surrounding them?

Moved things apart a little, removed nose part. Failed at getting it to look good with it.. maybe someone else can do it better, maybe I misunderstood the guide.
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Post by: Variable on Wed, 03 August 2011, 01:08:56: I'd be interested in this
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Post by: Floob on Wed, 03 August 2011, 11:22:51: Quote from: Wihl;391851
I did something similar during work but never got around to upload it. I was never really confident if I was understanding the guide correctly or not.. I noticed you did not move the eye or the black "nose" object. Should there not be a 0.5 mm gap between them and the rest of the object that is surrounding them?

Moved things apart a little, removed nose part. Failed at getting it to look good with it.. maybe someone else can do it better, maybe I misunderstood the guide.
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Nono, you are correct. I was focusing on the mane so much that I forgot about the eyes and nose!

I do think it looks weird without a nose though. I'll fiddle with it to get a nose in place.
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Post by: Floob on Wed, 03 August 2011, 12:19:55: [ATTACH=CONFIG]23213[/ATTACH]

How about this? The nose had to be made smaller, its length made only shifting it look too weird. =S
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Post by: Wihl on Thu, 04 August 2011, 09:03:59: Looks fine to me!
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Post by: Floob on Thu, 04 August 2011, 13:44:11: Here's a render of the SVG file for people to actually be able to see it.

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How about this? The nose had to be made smaller, its length made only shifting it look too weird. =S
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Post by: Wihl on Fri, 05 August 2011, 14:02:28: So what colors are we doing this in? WA key cap and BO horse outline would look cool (then again my screen is **** and I cant see the difference between several of the blue shades). I guess dark blue background and light blue foreground are the official colors... Not sure how cool that would look on a doubleshot. I feel a bit like it needs the drop shadow to look great while the white/blue doesn't.

White/Dark Blue: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/Teamliquid_logo_blue.png
Light Blue/Dark Blue: http://i.imgur.com/9dEfx.png
http://kbdholic.net/img/SP-ABS/abs-01-s.jpg
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Post by: Ballcuzzi on Fri, 05 August 2011, 15:44:54: will this be added to round 4? or is this a separate thing?
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Post by: Wihl on Fri, 05 August 2011, 17:07:11: Quote from: Ballcuzzi;393730
will this be added to round 4? or is this a separate thing?
I assume it will end up in the group buy. I sent SP an email today asking how much it would cost to produce 25/50/75/100/200 of them. I assume it will cost much more than in the group buy but it would be faster. Should have a reply early next week I guess (they're not open on fridays? wut?).
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Post by: Floob on Fri, 05 August 2011, 18:11:35: I think a BFL logo on a BFK key would be closest to what the TL shirts are like.

But a BFL logo on Black is probably most realistic.
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Post by: KoolAidMan on Fri, 05 August 2011, 18:21:27: As much as a blue combo would be nice, I also think that white on black would also work out just fine. It looks great on TL's black t-shirts: http://www.teamliquid.net/store/
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Post by: mbc on Fri, 05 August 2011, 18:24:59: Id like 3 versions a red, a blue and a yellow theme

Sent from my Milestone using Tapatalk
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Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 05 August 2011, 18:47:17: Quote from: Floob;393006
Here's a render of the SVG file for people to actually be able to see it.

This looks fantastic. I'm in for whatever colors get made. Has anyone posted about this on TL.net? There are probably a lot of Cherry switch owners there who would be interested in this.
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Post by: tsangan on Fri, 05 August 2011, 19:15:57: Definitely getting whatever colour gets made, looks awesome so far
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Post by: Floob on Fri, 05 August 2011, 19:23:05: I'm thinking..

- Light blue on Black (BFL Logo on Black)
- White on Black (WCK on black?)
- White on Blue (WCK on BO of BFK?)

Other colors would probably be also interesting, but we'd need the numbers to keep prices low, if I recall correctly.
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Post by: tsangan on Fri, 05 August 2011, 19:51:58: Quote from: Floob;393905
I'm thinking..

- Light blue on Black (BFL Logo on Black)
- White on Black (WCK on black?)
- White on Blue (WCK on BO of BFK?)

Other colors would probably be also interesting, but we'd need the numbers to keep prices low, if I recall correctly.
I'm feeling the
- Light blue on Black (BFL Logo on Black)
- White on Blue (WCK on BO of BFK?)

I think Blue on White would be very nice too, not too sure on the White on Black never seen the logo without blue somewhere
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Post by: bananaboy2 on Sat, 06 August 2011, 12:52:58: So excited, I'm going to buy a bunch
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Post by: 0mgVitaminE on Sat, 06 August 2011, 17:23:50: I would definitely buy a tl cap. My leopold should finally get here on the 9th :D
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Post by: HaveANiceDay on Sun, 07 August 2011, 10:21:49: The image should not have any sharp edges. That's why the SC2 keys look so good.

I rounded every single edge and made every line smooth. If it's not fully compatible yet, it should provide a good starting point.
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Post by: Wihl on Sun, 07 August 2011, 12:50:22: Quote from: HaveANiceDay;394618
The image should not have any sharp edges. That's why the SC2 keys look so good.

I rounded every single edge and made every line smooth. If it's not fully compatible yet, it should provide a good starting point.
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Fixed eye and nose to be compatible.

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Post by: NguyenAdam on Mon, 08 August 2011, 13:46:16: So when is the group buy going to be in action?
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Post by: Wihl on Mon, 08 August 2011, 14:52:41: I just got a response from Signature Plastics about 5 minutes ago.

If we do decide to go for this there will be a one-time $35 charge for them to create the mold plus shipping.
Production will take 5 weeks from when they recieve the order plus shipping time.

Pricing for the keycaps is as follows:
25 keys $4.52 / each + $1.4 mold charge
50 keys $2.48 / each + $0.7 mold charge
75 keys $1.80 / each + $0.46 mold charge
100 keys $1.46 / each + $0.35 mold charge
200 keys $0.95 / each + $0.18 mold charge
+ whatever the shipping cost is from SP + individual shipping to you

Color choices do not matter but we can not combine two colors and get volume discount for all of them. If we do 50 black/white and 50 blue/white for example the key caps will cost $2.48 each and not $1.46 each as they would if we picked only one color combination.

So.. maybe we should just do one color now? Would be easier/cheaper to do more colors in Round 4.

There needs to be a poll on colors so maybe we should throw some colors we'd want out there first. Then create a poll with those colors and then go with whatever wins?

Keycap color / Printed color:
Dark Blue / Pure White
Pure White / Dark Blue
Black / Pure White

Current design:
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Post by: tsangan on Mon, 08 August 2011, 15:21:51: Awesome to hear the good news, as for the colour I believe Dark Blue / Pure White OR Pure White / Dark Blue would be the best, TL logo needs some blue in it somewhere
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Post by: speakeasy on Mon, 08 August 2011, 15:38:30: For the colors, how about BFJ on BED?
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Post by: Floob on Mon, 08 August 2011, 16:18:04: [ATTACH=CONFIG]23585[/ATTACH]

MOCKUPS! I'm bored at work.
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Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 08 August 2011, 16:27:50: Exciting! I was going to say that none of those blues look particularly close, but then I checked TL.net and yeah, bottom middle looks pretty good. Didn't it used to be darker?
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Post by: Wihl on Mon, 08 August 2011, 16:29:30: Quote from: speakeasy;395331
For the colors, how about BFJ on BED?
Those are both shades of blue, correct? (too tired to look it up)

While they do use that in the logo I feel like it really needs that inner drop shadow to work well.. Should definately be an option in the poll, just my 2c
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Post by: Wihl on Mon, 08 August 2011, 16:43:49: Quote from: Floob;395359
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MOCKUPS! I'm bored at work.
But.. but... the white! :(

(http://i.imgur.com/F0muw.jpg)
(yes, its the laziest photoshop ever)
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Post by: Goly on Mon, 08 August 2011, 16:50:05: #114 The first and second are amazing :eek:
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Post by: Floob on Mon, 08 August 2011, 17:26:24: Fine, fine. Here's more!

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Post by: bananaboy2 on Mon, 08 August 2011, 18:43:48: I'd really like white on blue or blue on white
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Post by: Wihl on Tue, 09 August 2011, 05:23:16: Any more suggestions? Otherwise I'll create the poll tonight when I get home with the 8 samples that Floob created.
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Post by: palindrome on Tue, 09 August 2011, 11:13:24: That blue on black key looks awesome.
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Post by: Floob on Tue, 09 August 2011, 13:52:52: [ATTACH=CONFIG]23684[/ATTACH]

I noticed that the wiki for the Group Buy's wiki been updated, so I've added the matching color codes.

GX is the standard black
WA is the White used for text, as well as the white key/whiteblank set (see the Japanese flag key from round 3)
For the blues, I thought the BFL most resembled the TL color from their webpage.
BFJ was another GHer's suggestion
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Post by: Wihl on Tue, 09 August 2011, 14:02:03: Quote from: Floob;395953
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I noticed that the wiki for the Group Buy's wiki been updated, so I've added the matching color codes.

GX is the standard black
WA is the White used for text, as well as the white key/whiteblank set (see the Japanese flag key from round 3)
For the blues, I thought the BFL most resembled the TL color from their webpage.
BFJ was another GHer's suggestion
Hm.. Think you could do BFJ on WA? Sorry I suck at photoshop.
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Post by: Floob on Tue, 09 August 2011, 14:09:05: [ATTACH=CONFIG]23685[/ATTACH]

It's Illustrator. :P
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Post by: Wihl on Tue, 09 August 2011, 14:12:36: Quote from: Floob;395960
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It's Illustrator. :P
I love you anyway.

(I may or may not have asked you to create it because I'm a lazy bastard)
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Post by: Floob on Tue, 09 August 2011, 14:15:01: We should really limit it to the top 2-3 choices. Any more, and they keys will be unaffordable.
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Post by: Wihl on Tue, 09 August 2011, 14:16:29: Quote from: Floob;395963
We should really limit it to the top 2-3 choices. Any more, and they keys will be unaffordable.
Yes. The price per key is pretty low but then there's all the shipping back and forth... That plus low volume discout would make the price rise quite a bit. The shipping would be about $2 (in a regular envelope). Not like it would make anyone get a second mortgage but it would be nice to try and keep the price down for everyone.

Hoping we could get atleast 75 keys done.
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Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 09 August 2011, 14:49:43: Quote from: Wihl;395965
Hoping we could get atleast 75 keys done.

I'll ask again. Have we posted on TL.net about this?
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Post by: Floob on Tue, 09 August 2011, 14:52:18: Quote from: hashbaz;395981
I'll ask again. Have we posted on TL.net about this?

Not that I know of. There may have been a post when this was first thought of, but I don't think there's anything active.
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Post by: palindrome on Tue, 09 August 2011, 14:56:18: Quote from: Floob;395983
Not that I know of. There may have been a post when this was first thought of, but I don't think there's anything active.

They are expected to announce something major today so you may want to save this news (about the keys) until that news has properly seeded. I think once you let TL and possibly r/starcraft know of this, you may need to order more than 75 keys.
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Post by: noodles256 on Tue, 09 August 2011, 15:00:08: team liquidddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd keysssssssssssssssssssssss
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Post by: Wihl on Tue, 09 August 2011, 15:03:53: There was a thread on TL (not created by me) but it was closed due to it being "advertising".

Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252058#6
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Post by: palindrome on Tue, 09 August 2011, 15:03:58: Mad dash on their 2nd round of TL t-shirts (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252912).
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Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 09 August 2011, 15:37:32: Quote from: Wihl;395995
There was a thread on TL (not created by me) but it was closed due to it being "advertising".

Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252058#6

*sigh*
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Post by: Floob on Tue, 09 August 2011, 15:43:21: Quote from: Wihl;395995
There was a thread on TL (not created by me) but it was closed due to it being "advertising".

Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252058#6

Looks like it was closed because you have to make an account here to see the pictures. They probably wouldn't object if it was an open system, but you have to make an account at to place orders anyways.
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Post by: Wihl on Tue, 09 August 2011, 16:01:51: I have been talking to one of the Teamliquid admins and they would prefer it if this was kept off their site. They dont have any issues with 50 people on geekhack getting together for a group buy though. In the end, we are using their logotype - even if we do not profit from it I think we can all understand that its a touchy subject. TL is not just a group of nerds these days but a company.

As someone that works with brands and marketing on a daily basis I can definately understand why they are hesitant to allow it. Let's respect their decision guys. I'm sure we can get enough people for this group buy even without plastering it all over teamliquid.net.
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Post by: palindrome on Tue, 09 August 2011, 16:04:41: That's a great point, Wihl. Thanks for checking in w/ the TL staff on this.
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Post by: Wihl on Tue, 09 August 2011, 16:07:51: So its time to create the poll I guess if there are no additional color suggestions?

edit: Actually, I have one myself - the official light blue on dark blue design. BFO on BO?

http://deskthority.net/w/images/6/6f/SP_rainbow_42892.jpg
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Post by: Floob on Tue, 09 August 2011, 16:34:27: Quote from: Wihl;396038
So its time to create the poll I guess if there are no additional color suggestions?

edit: Actually, I have one myself - the official light blue on dark blue design. BFJ on BDH?

http://deskthority.net/w/images/6/6f/SP_rainbow_42892.jpg

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I don't think BDH is dark enough.
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Post by: Wihl on Tue, 09 August 2011, 16:38:57: Quote from: Floob;396055
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I don't think BDH is dark enough.
Yes you're completely right. Thanks for all the mockups. I'm at a loss when it comes to translating BFJ for example to a color in illustrator =(

The bottom-right looks really close to official colors but then again I'm on a horrible TN monitor. What do you think is the closest?
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Post by: Floob on Tue, 09 August 2011, 16:44:51: I think that BFL is closest to the actual TL horse logo color (http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/darioshirtfp.jpg), but BFJ is closer to the other shirt (http://www.teamliquid.net/store/images/TLNetShirt.jpg) (the color of the shirt, not the logo). I've tried, and I don't think we're going to get close to the actual colors, so I'd personally aim for the 2nd shirt.

Eye dropper is friend! Well, I just have photoshop cs5 open with its fancy eyedropper, compare real life photos to the signature plastics sample, and then copy colors!
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Post by: Wihl on Tue, 09 August 2011, 16:53:41: Quote from: Floob;396067
I think that BFL is closest to the actual TL horse logo color (http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/darioshirtfp.jpg), but BFJ is closer to the other shirt (http://www.teamliquid.net/store/images/TLNetShirt.jpg) (the color of the shirt, not the logo). I've tried, and I don't think we're going to get close to the actual colors, so I'd personally aim for the 2nd shirt.

Eye dropper is friend! Well, I just have photoshop cs5 open with its fancy eyedropper, compare real life photos to the signature plastics sample, and then copy colors!
Ah, I hoped there was some standard way of translating the color codes to CMYK for example. Guess its never easy ;)

Anyway ,I'll go with your judgement on that and create a poll with the options that have been presented so far.

edit: Minor snag, max 10 poll options. Should probably remove some of the white/blue on shade of black keys? I honestly cant see the difference :F I'll get the poll up tomorrow, need to get up for work early tomorrow so I'm heading to bed. Already past midnight here.
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Post by: Floob on Tue, 09 August 2011, 17:38:19: Which ones would you like me to put up? I can do this tomorrow, as you're probably already asleep.

Also, you can just use the eyedropper in photoshop, and then double click the color in the area where you choose fill/border. It'll show the RGB/CMYK composition.
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Post by: joysick on Tue, 09 August 2011, 20:15:04: topre team liquid key? yaa
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Post by: Nox on Wed, 10 August 2011, 00:53:17: That was my thread in TL
Mod Response to asking how to post
"
Hello!

Yeah easy mistake to make. Sadly exposure of such sort, especially if registration is required is only ok in a sponsored thread on TL.

Have a nice day!

Nyovne"

**** em, buy extra and when Reddit/TL finds out about this sell them at markup >=(
Im not bitter I swear.
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Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 10 August 2011, 01:11:13: It does seem a bit silly and shortsighted to me, but no need to "**** em". People don't need a GH account to buy in right? Can't we post a picture on imgur and just say "send an email/PM for details"? Would that fly with TL mods? I guess not if their real concern is not GH advertising but controlling their own image on their own site. *shrug*

At any rate, no reason to exclude /r/starcraft.
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Post by: Wihl on Wed, 10 August 2011, 02:19:02: If this gets really big we might need a couple of extra people to handle distribution. I'm honestly quite poor at the moment and I worry a little bit about losing money on this from some miscalculation. If its just 50 keys and I make a tiny loss on each key it wouldn't bother me but if its 200 keys that adds up.

I'm Swedish so I'm unsure if I would have to pay additional import taxes (while one keycap is cheap the value of the package could easily be a few hundred dollars). Considering VAT over here is 25% that would quickly spiral out of control price-wise. Would it be cheaper to make SP send the keys to someone in the US that handles north/south american distribution? That person could send a box with the keys to Europeans to me (and write $20 as the value). Then I could do EU distribution. Or would it be cheaper to just distribute stuff to everyone from the US? It would cost me a little less than $2 to distribute each key (or however many they order) to foreigners in a regular first class envelope with the key in bubble wrap.
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Post by: Floob on Wed, 10 August 2011, 10:54:19: Quote from: Wihl;396291
If this gets really big we might need a couple of extra people to handle distribution. I'm honestly quite poor at the moment and I worry a little bit about losing money on this from some miscalculation. If its just 50 keys and I make a tiny loss on each key it wouldn't bother me but if its 200 keys that adds up.

I'm Swedish so I'm unsure if I would have to pay additional import taxes (while one keycap is cheap the value of the package could easily be a few hundred dollars). Considering VAT over here is 25% that would quickly spiral out of control price-wise. Would it be cheaper to make SP send the keys to someone in the US that handles north/south american distribution? That person could send a box with the keys to Europeans to me (and write $20 as the value). Then I could do EU distribution. Or would it be cheaper to just distribute stuff to everyone from the US? It would cost me a little less than $2 to distribute each key (or however many they order) to foreigners in a regular first class envelope with the key in bubble wrap.

If we piggyback along the Round 4 Group Buy, we won't have to take care of distribution, but we'd have to wait awhile. Analysis of free time, go!
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Post by: Wihl on Wed, 10 August 2011, 12:24:46: Well I feel like there's no reason for us to sit around for 6+ months just because we cant do a MASSIVE group buy. This can still be added to the round 4 group buy as well.

I could probably handle distribution if we did 50 keys max (or rather, 50 buyers max) but the package from SP would need to be sent to someone in the US first. That person can then forward it to me and give it a value of, say, $20 and mark it as a gift. That way we wouldn't get absolutely killed on VAT and import tax.
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Post by: palindrome on Wed, 10 August 2011, 12:38:51: Quote from: Wihl;396492
I could probably handle distribution if we did 50 keys max (or rather, 50 buyers max) but the package from SP would need to be sent to someone in the US first. That person can then forward it to me and give it a value of, say, $20 and mark it as a gift. That way we wouldn't get absolutely killed on VAT and import tax.

I'm in the states and can possibly coordinate this w/ you. I may not yet fully understand what I'm getting myself into here but if you can PM me and let me know the logistics, I am willing to help out pending the overall effort.
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Post by: Wihl on Wed, 10 August 2011, 12:50:41: BED on BFJ near black on light blue
BED on WA near black on white
WA on GX white on black
BFJ on BED light blue on near black
BFJ on GSM light blue on dark blue (as near official colors as we can get)
BFJ on WA light blue on white

I am creating the poll later. Any colors that I have missed? Those seem to be the best out of the ones we've talked about so far.

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Post by: tystees on Wed, 10 August 2011, 12:52:12: Yes!
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Post by: Floob on Wed, 10 August 2011, 14:04:49: I personally think that BFL on GSM is a closer replica, but those six looks good. :)
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Post by: Wihl on Wed, 10 August 2011, 14:12:18: Thar be voting to be had! Stays open for 7 days.
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?20867-Team-Liquid-Doubleshot-Vote-for-colours!
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Post by: Brink on Wed, 10 August 2011, 14:46:34: All six look awesome, but the BFJ on GSM looks the most like the real deal, so I'm going for that one. Altough WA on GX would be a bit more subtle... I like subtle keys!
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Post by: HaveANiceDay on Wed, 10 August 2011, 15:06:58: Quote from: Brink;396579
All six look awesome, but the BFJ on GSM looks the most like the real deal, so I'm going for that one. Altough WA on GX would be a bit more subtle... I like subtle keys!
BFJ on GSM is indeed the closest and the one I like the most.
I wouldn't want a black/white one. It would be like doing the VIM key in black/white, kinda pointless :)
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Post by: Wihl on Wed, 10 August 2011, 16:02:34: Quote from: HaveANiceDay;396590
BFJ on GSM is indeed the closest and the one I like the most.
I wouldn't want a black/white one. It would be like doing the VIM key in black/white, kinda pointless :)
Agreed. I didnt like the idea of the "logo colors" at first when I just pictured it in my head it actually looks great.
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Post by: kibblesnbits on Thu, 11 August 2011, 00:10:05: This looks great.
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Post by: Son of Gnome on Thu, 11 August 2011, 00:16:22: damn wihl i take it uve taken the group buy over while Ive been away :p
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Post by: Wihl on Thu, 11 August 2011, 01:43:30: Quote from: Son of Gnome;396835
damn wihl i take it uve taken the group buy over while Ive been away :p

Seemed to be a bit dead in the water :p
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Post by: Zoop on Thu, 11 August 2011, 11:04:46: I'm so pumped, need to figure out how to find matching keys afterwards though
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Post by: Wihl on Thu, 11 August 2011, 14:43:16: Anyone thats willing to step up and recieve the package from SP? Then that person could either do all the distribution (atleast south/north american orders) or just get his own keys out of the package and just forward the rest of it to me in Sweden as a gift with $20 value. We'll get murdered on VAT and import tax otherwise (just VAT is 25%)
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Post by: Carnac on Thu, 11 August 2011, 16:08:36: Hi Geekhack.

TL mod here, I just stumbled upon GH today, when I was researching some stuff because I want to buy a mechanical keyboard and saw this thread on the overall forum index. Natually it sparked my interest :)
Sounds awesome, hope it'd work with the Filco I just ordered. I don't think Nyovne really understood what the thread was about when he closed it (neither would I have understood I think), and we get tons of bad advertising threads all the time, so we close them easily.
Anyway, I can talk to an admin/owner about this project if you guys want (edit: rereading this thread it seems that Wihl already talked to someone, who did you talk to about it if I may ask).

Either way I'm gonna order a TL key :) If I can figure out how that is...
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Post by: Zoop on Thu, 11 August 2011, 16:15:40: Carnac!

@Wihl
I'd be down for receiving the package, not ideal as living in the US but I live in Canada. I just joined this forum however, and don't really know what's involved in terms of shipping out to everyone and everything - so I understand if people are more than a bit uneasy about letting me handle it haha
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Post by: Floob on Thu, 11 August 2011, 16:34:40: Hi Carnac! ^^

Will definitely fit the Filco you ordered. Fits all Cherry MX stem. It seems like this group buy will happen once we figure out what colors to choose. Seems like Wihl's commandeered the group buy, so we'll probably eventually just PM him with how many/what colors to choose.
Check out the poll first. :D

Wihl, I can help! School starts in September though, so it might be awhile before I have a definite address. Maybe we can get TL in on this too, with the aid of Carnac.
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Post by: Wihl on Fri, 12 August 2011, 00:43:32: Quote from: Carnac;397212
(edit: rereading this thread it seems that Wihl already talked to someone, who did you talk to about it if I may ask).

I talked to hotbid.
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Post by: Son of Gnome on Fri, 12 August 2011, 01:42:56: and his response?
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Post by: Carnac on Fri, 12 August 2011, 03:11:43: He talked about it earlier:
Quote from: Wihl;396031
I have been talking to one of the Teamliquid admins and they would prefer it if this was kept off their site. They dont have any issues with 50 people on geekhack getting together for a group buy though. In the end, we are using their logotype - even if we do not profit from it I think we can all understand that its a touchy subject. TL is not just a group of nerds these days but a company.

As someone that works with brands and marketing on a daily basis I can definately understand why they are hesitant to allow it. Let's respect their decision guys. I'm sure we can get enough people for this group buy even without plastering it all over teamliquid.net.

Since he says he talked to Hot_Bid, he definitely talked to the right person, which is what I wanted to know. So not much I can do. I think it'd look sick on the Liquid team players' keyboards, but since the SC2 team is Razer sponsored there might be an issue with that also.

Still, if this gets going I'm gonna order a couple :)
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Post by: Wihl on Fri, 12 August 2011, 03:33:02: Well the color poll will stay open for a few more days and then I'll create the order thread. Seems like there's a couple of people in the US that are willing to help with distribution so I don't forsee any huge issues. :)

I just hope that SP doesn't **** up :p Already got a guy that wants 25 keys so I dont think we'll have any issues getting an ok volume discount. I'm thinking maybe 50-75 orders in total (with unlimited keys per order)?
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Post by: Carnac on Fri, 12 August 2011, 04:01:02: For what it's worth I'll get at least 10 keys I think, I'm sure I can find a use for them somehow
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Post by: speakeasy on Fri, 12 August 2011, 06:10:40: I wouldn't mind doing distribution for people in the NY area if there isn't already a volunteer. And as long as it isn't an obscene amount of addresses...
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Post by: Wihl on Fri, 12 August 2011, 11:16:11: So uh... is that key in the lead really BFJ? The light blue simply aint the same as the other ones with BFJ. What color is it really? No point in changing the poll at this point, seems pretty obvious what the winner will be but.. that cant be bfj.
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Post by: Floob on Fri, 12 August 2011, 11:58:03: It is the same color, it's just the background color of the key that's wrecking havoc on your sense of color.
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Post by: Wihl on Fri, 12 August 2011, 12:55:17: Dont think its just that

http://i.imgur.com/6ENO1.jpg
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Post by: Floob on Fri, 12 August 2011, 13:33:54: Oh, snap. That might be BFL, the other blue I was playing with.

Edit: It's not. T_T I have no idea what color that is.

Edit2: Here's the last thing I made.

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Post by: Wihl on Fri, 12 August 2011, 13:51:07: Doesn't seem to be BFL either. Here are the RGB values:

BFL: 62 152 204
"Unknown": 80 150 210
BFJ: 108 163 201

From the logo on the TL Home page: 122 184 225
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Post by: Wihl on Fri, 12 August 2011, 14:18:38: Gonna try and find out whats going on later tonight.
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Post by: Floob on Fri, 12 August 2011, 14:23:21: worst scenario, we have a mini-poll to see which blue we want for that key. :O
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Post by: Wihl on Fri, 12 August 2011, 16:28:07: When looking at http://deskthority.net/w/images/6/6f/SP_rainbow_42892.jpg

Colorzilla gives me rgb(79, 149, 209) for BFJ so... I dont even know. All I know is BFJ it is.
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Post by: Ragnorock on Sat, 13 August 2011, 02:50:20: I'm totally in for this, put me on the list to be notified when the GB happens.
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Post by: Wihl on Sat, 13 August 2011, 09:18:42: Quote from: Ragnorock;398091
I'm totally in for this, put me on the list to be notified when the GB happens.
There will be a thread as soon as the color vote ends.
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Post by: Wihl on Sat, 13 August 2011, 09:45:06: Are we 100% sure that the latest design is compatible? This is what I recieved from Melissa at Signature Plastics:

legend space: 0.356" wide x 0.428" high
minimum spacing (including islands - i.e. the nose of the horse): 0.020"
minimum line thickness: 0.012"

Been thinking about pricing as well. Would $5 for the first key ($4 for each additional key) + $3 delivery be ok?
Price would need to cover:
Production cost
Shipping materials
Shipping from SP to US distributor
Shipping from US distributor to me
Shipping from me to everyone

If there is any profit on my end (unlikely) I will donate it to Doctors Without Borders.
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Post by: mbc on Sat, 13 August 2011, 14:53:48: Quote from: Wihl;398191
Are we 100% sure that the latest design is compatible? This is what I recieved from Melissa at Signature Plastics:

legend space: 0.356" wide x 0.428" high
minimum spacing (including islands - i.e. the nose of the horse): 0.020"
minimum line thickness: 0.012"

Been thinking about pricing as well. Would $5 for the first key ($4 for each additional key) + $3 delivery be ok?
Price would need to cover:
Production cost
Shipping materials
Shipping from SP to US distributor
Shipping from US distributor to me
Shipping from me to everyone

If there is any profit on my end (unlikely) I will donate it to Doctors Without Borders.
shipping to eu?
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Post by: Floob on Sat, 13 August 2011, 15:44:53: Flat rate shipping in the US is $5. Don't know how much regular packaging costs are.
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Post by: Wihl on Sat, 13 August 2011, 17:45:42: I'm Swedish. Shipping abroad to anywhere shouldn't be more than $3 in an envelope with a bit of bubblewrap (up to 20 grams). Registered in a small box would be $15.
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Post by: Wihl on Sat, 13 August 2011, 18:12:39: Need someone to recieve the package from SP in the US and then forward it to me as a gift with a low dollar value. A few people have talked about them wanting to do something but I have nothing confirmed yet. I really need to know before I start the "real" group buy thread. Otherwise the price per key will rise by atleast 25%
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Post by: mbc on Sat, 13 August 2011, 18:24:36: .....
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Post by: Wihl on Sat, 13 August 2011, 18:34:29: Quote from: mbc;398418
what are the eu shipping rates up there?
can you cover all the europeans, so we wouldnt have to pay overseas shipping multiple times
There are three scenarios:
a) I order from SP and the keys are sent to someone in the US. That person then forwards it to me. I handle shipping globally.
b) I order from SP and the keys are sent to someone in the US. That person takes all the US orders out of the package and distributes them. He or she forwards the rest to me.
c) I order from SP and the keys are sent to someone in the US. That person distributes all orders.

Based on the information that Posten (swedish royal mail / usps equivalent) has on their website it will cost me about $3 to distribute globally. That means shipping in a normal envelope with the key in bubblewrap with a total weight of less than 20 grams. $15 for trackable package.

edit: actually there's d) as well where I just get it shipped to me but price would rise by atleast 25%
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Post by: mbc on Sun, 14 August 2011, 07:09:46: Quote from: Wihl;398423
There are three scenarios:
a) I order from SP and the keys are sent to someone in the US. That person then forwards it to me. I handle shipping globally.
b) I order from SP and the keys are sent to someone in the US. That person takes all the US orders out of the package and distributes them. He or she forwards the rest to me.
c) I order from SP and the keys are sent to someone in the US. That person distributes all orders.

Based on the information that Posten (swedish royal mail / usps equivalent) has on their website it will cost me about $3 to distribute globally. That means shipping in a normal envelope with the key in bubblewrap with a total weight of less than 20 grams. $15 for trackable package.

edit: actually there's d) as well where I just get it shipped to me but price would rise by atleast 25%
yea.. i edited it out, because i realised, that it doesn't really save a lot of shipping costs compared to c)
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Post by: Wihl on Mon, 15 August 2011, 02:00:44: Seems like we'll have to change color from GSM to BO. GSM turned out to be - grey.

This is a photo of the colors we should be using instead. BFJ on BO:
http://j.youens.com/9Jvw

Photo kindly provided by aggiejy.

EDIT: This is GSM as a comparison: http://j.youens.com/9JNV
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Post by: Floob on Mon, 15 August 2011, 11:11:36: I don't mind GSM though. It looks like it has more blue than grey.
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Post by: Zoop on Mon, 15 August 2011, 12:32:42: Quote
Seems like we'll have to change color from GSM to BO. GSM turned out to be - grey.

This is a photo of the colors we should be using instead. BFJ on BO:
http://j.youens.com/9Jvw

Photo kindly provided by aggiejy.

EDIT: This is GSM as a comparison: http://j.youens.com/9JNV

Please note the lighting differences between the two pics - compare both BFJ's and see they're quite different under two different lightings.

(http://i55.tinypic.com/2vcgbpc.png)

I feel like BO is a nicer blue, but the BFJ in both pictures look very different from one another

EDIT: Perhaps if we can get a picture with all three color swatches in the same lighting environment that would help alot. Preferably a top down view of just those three colors. I don't have any swatches so I can't create said image
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Post by: Wihl on Mon, 15 August 2011, 13:03:40: This has all of them in one: http://deskthority.net/w/images/6/6f/SP_rainbow_42892.jpg
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Post by: Zoop on Mon, 15 August 2011, 13:06:23: Yeah I'm aware of that image, however the lighting isn't consistent from the top of the swatches to the bottom because the image is large.
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Post by: Wihl on Mon, 15 August 2011, 13:35:37: Indeed, sadly I don't have a color swatch so I personally cant really do anything. Lighting / white balance seems to be off for every single picture I've found.
http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx240/fssbzz/90b780bd.jpg

Seems odd that there's not a single good picture.

edit: Guess this one is the best one out there http://i.imgur.com/VHGY6.jpg

BFJ on BO then? Or does anyone else have a better idea? Will create the group buy with those colors tomorrow otherwise.
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Post by: Zoop on Mon, 15 August 2011, 22:25:18: Okay it doesn't really bother me which one we pick, its not like lighting is absolutely perfect in my place all the time and i see the color is off by a tiny margin (if it is). We still need a distributor from the US though..

When it happens though I'd like at least 2 though
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Post by: Akachei on Mon, 15 August 2011, 22:41:05: I have a swatch; I'd recommend BFN on BFK. BO is pretty good for background, but BFJ isn't a good fit.
I took a picture, tried to light it well and did auto-white balance on it. Not sure how accurate the auto white balance is, but it looks more accurate on my screen than the attachment you've got.
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Post by: Zoop on Mon, 15 August 2011, 22:56:16: Okay - considering you have the actualy swatches, if BFN on BFK looks better than BFJ on BO, then i'll trust your judgement. dont think it ends up mattering to me though
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Post by: Wihl on Tue, 16 August 2011, 02:26:29: Quote from: Akachei;399637
I have a swatch; I'd recommend BFN on BFK. BO is pretty good for background, but BFJ isn't a good fit.
I took a picture, tried to light it well and did auto-white balance on it. Not sure how accurate the auto white balance is, but it looks more accurate on my screen than the attachment you've got.
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Since you actually have the swatches and have seen them IRL, lets go with BFN on BFK if thats the best fit. Creating the ordering thread tonight when I get home from work.
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Post by: Floob on Tue, 16 August 2011, 02:55:17: DARN THE COLOR CALIBRATION!

From my monitor, BFN looks a little too dull. I don't think the logo will pop out of the key. Perhaps BBJ on BFK?