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geekhack Marketplace => Great Finds => Topic started by: Culinia on Tue, 05 April 2011, 16:16:17
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We are pleased to announce the availability of our new SpaceSaver M designed to work specifically with Mac® and Apple® systems.
Clickable Link
(http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/index.html)
Yep, if like me, you would be disappointed to know that the 'M' does not stand for mini or anything that would indicate a Unicomp clone for the IBM Model M Space Saving keyboard, but instead it stands for mac.
How disappointing.
Good for Mac people nevertheless I suppose!
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Further Lulz. They left off the BEST part!
ugh, White Balance People!
St John's Arms!
I assume they had enough worries possibly being sued by Disney for Mighty Mouse.
lol ha, never noticed!
Some investment you got there ripster ;)
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what rises will fall
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Space saver mini are very expensive, maybe too much. But if Unicomp one day sell some mini keyboards i think it'll drop as fast.
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They need to double the price to get some attention from the Mac users...:biggrin1:
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They need to double the price to get some attention from the Mac users...:biggrin1:
This. I can hardly express how yes this is.
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Worse is the black Mac keyboard.
Eurgh. They didn't even have glitter keycaps?
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To be fair, ripster, the new keyboards from Apple don't even have the apple key anymore, and explicitly say "Command" now. I do think they still have the St. John's Arms symbol, though.
But the documentation all refers to it as the "Command key", so I think Unicomp was smart about this.
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Does unicomp even have the molds to produce a mini?
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My guess is that it would be expensive for them to develop a controller for the SSK. Their usual controller sits behind the numpad and has a different geometry than the old SSK controllers.
Even if they used the exact old design, someone will need to tool up to build the controller again.
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My guess is that it would be expensive for them to develop a controller for the SSK. Their usual controller sits behind the numpad and has a different geometry than the old SSK controllers.
Even if they used the exact old design, someone will need to tool up to build the controller again.
I also would not get the same warm, fuzzy without the IBM logo on it. That Unicomp logo is ugly.
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To be fair, ripster, the new keyboards from Apple don't even have the apple key anymore, and explicitly say "Command" now. I do think they still have the St. John's Arms symbol, though.
But the documentation all refers to it as the "Command key", so I think Unicomp was smart about this.
They have the command symbol; only very rarely will you find one that says "command" instead of having the symbol.
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They need to double the price to get some attention from the Mac users...:biggrin1:
Oi, watch it. There's a difference between a Mac user and an Apple Hipster. I for one do not wear a scraf while typing. Then again, most Apple Hipsters will probably be too busy writing cutting edge emotional lyrical trance on their Garageband app to notice this keyboard. Not that they ever use one. They will become a separate species, with one hand with one finger on it, and a thumb with a few little thumbs growing out of the end. Damn hipsters, sullying my name with their perverted misuse of technology! Rant fume etc.
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They have the command symbol; only very rarely will you find one that says "command" instead of having the symbol.
That's almost exactly what I said. They have the word and the symbol, but no apple anymore. And I'm looking at one that says "command", which happens to be one of their popular newer keyboards. So no, not rare at all.
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Sorry, in my personal experience all mac users are the same. A friend of mine had pretty much a blank check from his uncle to buy whatever computer he wanted. He, and all of my friends, are gamers. He picked a mac. When asked why he didn't get a PC so he could play computer games with us, he literally said "Because the one I got is shinier"...
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Sorry, in my personal experience all mac users are the same. A friend of mine had pretty much a blank check from his uncle to buy whatever computer he wanted. He, and all of my friends, are gamers. He picked a mac. When asked why he didn't get a PC so he could play computer games with us, he literally said "Because the one I got is shinier"...
:lol:
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That's almost exactly what I said. They have the word and the symbol, but no apple anymore. And I'm looking at one that says "command", which happens to be one of their popular newer keyboards. So no, not rare at all.
"instead of" I sell Apple products and I own a MacBook Pro :p
Sorry, in my personal experience all mac users are the same. A friend of mine had pretty much a blank check from his uncle to buy whatever computer he wanted. He, and all of my friends, are gamers. He picked a mac. When asked why he didn't get a PC so he could play computer games with us, he literally said "Because the one I got is shinier"...
Orly? So those of us that bought it with out own money are lumped in with those who had their rich daddies get it for them?
Plenty of people have their rich daddies buy then gaming pcs, what about them? Those don't come cheap. I almost sold an old Dell model to a customer because 'Macs are dumb, you can't use them for anything.' guess what? He'd never used one, was just going off what he read on the Internet. I feel like 90% of the Mac hate comes from people who haven't ever used one for an extended period of time. I love my MacBook pro. I used to be sippin the Mac haterade too, until I took a chance and bought one.
Oh, and by the way...iPads piss me off. Typing (or attempting to) on one right now. If work hadn't given me one for free, I'd never use. It lives in my bathroom next to the toilet :p
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Where the money came from makes no difference. It was still chosen over anything else by either people who spent their own money or not.
Using one has nothing to do with it. There is simply no reason to buy one (unless you get the super duper top of the line with the impossible-to-error-RAM, the errors in normal RAM are supposedly caused by cosmic rays and other such seemingly crazy stuff) since it's just a super expensive shiny intel computer.
You could say the "you can't use them for anything" about linux too. I dual boot it, oh, and linux is more secure than os x.
I also play PC games, no wine or anything like it is absolutely not good enough (and neither is boot camp, because then you're paying for the privilege of shiny then just running the OS that you would be on any other computer, with questionable drivers and zero upgrade path). Windows is simply required for that. I also don't play MMO's at all, so the fact that a few things like WoW is multi-platformed (but not to linux, even though it really wouldn't be hard to do once they're that close. I mean, apple has to release their Darwin distro because of the open source parts of their OS.) matters not.
Finally, if I went crazy enough to want to run OSX I'd simply build myself an intel based computer (running AMD) and hackintosh it up. Probably tri-boot, for hundreds less than a mac, with all functionality possible.
For the record, I have an AEKII board. I don't simply hate anything but windows, I hate how they're acting (now?), how their stuff just isn't worth the money, the way they advertise, how they have groupies who will literally buy anything they make (for example the ipad, steve jobs just stood on stage said that it was magical and revolutionary when it's an oversized iphone. He also mentioned the leaked I mean "rumored" price of $1000, then said that it wasn't true and it was "only" $500 making it seem to have some kind of more "value" then people went nutz and bought it like hotcakes... though I don't know why you originally brought up ipads) and think it's the best possible version of whatever it is. Even when other things that are just as good if not better are much cheaper, for example, regular mp3 players. Other brands of mp3 players also have the advantage of not having to look at spreadsheets to interact, I mean, iTunes. (please excuse this super not objective last paragraph)
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My guess is that it would be expensive for them to develop a controller for the SSK. Their usual controller sits behind the numpad and has a different geometry than the old SSK controllers.
Even if they used the exact old design, someone will need to tool up to build the controller again.
Note the two LED lights on the SpaceSaver M. I'm pretty sure they designed a new controller for that.
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Using one has nothing to do with it. There is simply no reason to buy one (unless you get the super duper top of the line with the impossible-to-error-RAM, the errors in normal RAM are supposedly caused by cosmic rays and other such seemingly crazy stuff) since it's just a super expensive shiny intel computer.
You could say the "you can't use them for anything" about linux too. I dual boot it, oh, and linux is more secure than os x.
I also play PC games, no wine or anything like it is absolutely not good enough (and neither is boot camp, because then you're paying for the privilege of shiny then just running the OS that you would be on any other computer, with questionable drivers and zero upgrade path). Windows is simply required for that. I also don't play MMO's at all, so the fact that a few things like WoW is multi-platformed (but not to linux, even though it really wouldn't be hard to do once they're that close. I mean, apple has to release their Darwin distro because of the open source parts of their OS.) matters not.
Finally, if I went crazy enough to want to run OSX I'd simply build myself an intel based computer (running AMD) and hackintosh it up. Probably tri-boot, for hundreds less than a mac, with all functionality possible.
You not using it IS the problem. You act like you know about the OS when all you can tell me with any certainty is that your unnamed linux distro is more secure and that the only games you can play on OS X are MMOs.
Bot are wrong. OS X has more security out of the box than most Linux distress. What makes OS X and Linux so 'safe' is that people don't use the OS enough for people to want to target it. Windows, having such a
large market presence, has the most viruses. It's just natural.
As far as games go..I play SC2, HoN, CS:S, working my way through Portal again right now, and I dabble in TF2. That's just a small portion of the now large and ever-expanding game selection on Macs.
Overpriced? Some models. Their mp3s definitely are. And yes, iTunes sucks (IMO, some people love it). But most of their laptops are pretty on par with the market price the last time I checked. My 2009 15" MB Pro was only 300 more than the cheapest comparable (2009) model; this may seem expensive, but the MB Pro had a much higher quality screen, backlighting on the keyboard, aluminum body (yes, this does matter...build quality is important to most people around here), and a much longer battery life.
If I was to own a desktop Mac I would definitely build a hackintosh myself. It's more fun, and it'd be a few hundred cheaper, like you said. However, I'd probably not get the same quality screen, and if I did the prices would end up being the same. But i don't care, I like to build my own pcs. I wanted to build my current desktop as a hackintosh, but I couldnt afford the intel CPU I wanted, so I just got the closest AMD model. AMD pcs can be turned into a hackintosh, but the process is a pain in the ass and quite advanced.
Stop being an 'anti-Mac fanboi.' You're just making yourself look as bad as those Mac hipsters. Keep an open mind...we love COMPUTERS and peripherals. We're not OS fanbois.
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There is simply no reason to buy one
Bollocks.
That is all. I'm not getting sucked into this one any further. I'm off to do something with Logic. On my reliable and stable and useful computer.
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Note: read past first paragraph.
Actually, for most people, I would argue that Macs aren't worth buying at anything but the high end. Neither are most PCs except at the high end.
That doesn't mean don't buy them. It's just that with the error rates, repair costs, and what not, most "budget" and mid-range computers end up being more expensive over time. But if you don't intend to use it for more than 2 years, then just buy whatever you like right now. Then replace it in 2 years.
Also, in the high end, a Mac Pro and a Dell workstation, for instance, are about the same price. Then it just comes down to what software do you need.
90+% of the consumer market doesn't use software tied to any particular platform. They might prefer the mac version, or the windows version, but could make use of either. And with everything moving into the cloud, it matters even less. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't buy what you like.
To sum up: buy what you are comfortable using, within your means and intents on using the tech, ignore others' opinions.
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How's the porn on a Mac?
Serves the Jobs.
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My point about games is that you have to use only a few that are native or attempt workarounds. Crysis? Just Cause 2? There are too many other games that don't. For the full set of everything you need to run windows. Though I'm sure you could run, say, dosbox stuff just as well in any OS. Notice how besides starcraft (which is also the people who did WoW) all of those games are valve games through steam that use the source engine. I'm glad steam/valve is doing that, especially because they had originally announced linux support (to come months after the mac release, which didn't happen). But that's just one developer who just converted their engine to run on a different OS and then ported all the games.
There are also plenty of things that can be read about security, the by obscurity does help. Technically windows has more protections built in that macs do, the giant target just makes sure the flaws that are there are used (RAM randomizations, etc). It's possible that macs have better stuff than linux does, but nothing I've read supports that, and at the same time there's alot more an enduser can do to lock down a whole lot of stuff in linux. So I'm not going to go any more into security, because I am far from an expert, but there is plenty of stuff that can be read online about it.
Yes I know you can hackintosh AMD systems. I'm just pretty sure doing it to mine isn't possible (AM2+ socket mobo, DDR2 RAM and a AM3 socket CPU, etc) or at least far too many hoops to jump through. Plenty of people have also done it to netbooks, and apparently enjoy that quite alot.
I never said anything against/targeting OS X specifically or why noone should use it, and that's the entirety of what a user would interact with. Games and such only matter to gamers, if you're getting a mac you either don't care about those or you have a different way to play them, such as a different computer. I can see why any OS could have an appeal to some people, and I see nothing wrong with that, nor did I say so. I specifically said things to not lead anyone into thinking I was a MS or anything else fanboy.
Actually as far as OS use goes, I thought I'd be handcuffed when I tried to use linux (and yes, it was Ubuntu, I just went for highest in popularity on distrowatch) for the first time a couple of years ago. Unless my intent is to play games (or apparently try to get videos looking fluid, but that's what the HTPC is for. But that's just my bad luck so far. Waiting for 11.04 for another go.) that very second I never really was. Everything else had either a replacement or I could use the same thing (I just installed MS office under wine, I had problems getting open office to open anything correctly) like firefox. It was still just as easy to connect to my samba running server and do anything else I would. In fact I think computer illiterate people are better served using linux (or mac os x, but that's alot more expensive to get running especially because I haven't actually hackintoshed yet. When you can put linux on anything at all, especially the when-vista-just-came-out computers and have a better user experience than vista on them generally.) with its fully automatic updates of anything and a few other things. I've actually done that to some people who managed to royally mess up windows in a few months, and now still haven't bugged me about linux years later. In fact a few are mad that they can't run netflix streaming on it, and think that netflix should make it compatible on their computer.
I do recognize that the monitors that are generally used are superior on macs. They use the most expensive type with better color accuracy. For people who are graphic designers and whatnot, that is clearly important. You still don't need to buy a mac for that, you even buy such a monitor directly from apple to use with your PC. Yes, that will raise the price of the PC, but I would hope that when the time comes to upgrade (or perhaps the monitor is the upgrade) that you would just continue to use it with new parts/computer. You don't need a new mac with a new monitor. (I personally dislike the current general trend of not anti-reflective, aka shiny/glare inducing, screens. Just because they show off good in a showroom doesn't make them less annoying to use.)
I can see battery life mattering to some people, the same people who would buy netbooks (possibly hackintoshed?) as well. I never cared about that in particular because generally speaking our battery tech is still terrible compared with what we try to make them do/perform. If you're really sitting someplace for 8-9 hours on the battery, in my opinion you should just plug in at that point, and if you're moving from place to place throughout a day you could just swap in a fresh one for any random laptop. I almost always plug in, but that's just me.
For the record, I find most $400-500 retail PC's also stupid albeit in a slightly less hate filled way. They all generally have terrible power supplies (one of the biggest reasons PCs can be thought of as flaky or unreliable). The kind that can potentially burst into flames, zap your components, or at least turn into a smoke machine (or monster? you decide). Then there's dell with their proprietary powersupplies that can have the same physical pinout as normal ones, but if you get either side standard you're going to destroy all of it. Dell has all sorts of annoying things they do like that. They also made alienware pointless. Also any retail desktop also has questionable quality motherboards and a few other things. Frankly I wouldn't and don't run a single desktop PC that wasn't put together by me. Neither do any of my friends. Once I did it for one, who was amazed at its quality/ability/stability/etc everyone wanted one of mine. Even family members of theirs.
Sorry for the wall of text.
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TL;DR: PC vs Mac rant. Nothing to do with the Unicomp Spacesaver M keyboard...
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For that matter, the best monitors, period, haven't been made in 6 years, and were sold by IBM and ViewSonic (among others, but were made by IDTech, an IBM and Chi Mei Optoelectronics (now Chi Mei-Innolux) joint venture).
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I never saw any of those in person, they were far too expensive. I assume you mean the really good CRT's.
That's like how the best plasma TV's were made by pioneer, and they don't even make TV's anymore. Wish I could at least see either set of stuff in person.
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Nope, the IBM T221. Of course, "best" is subjective, but they were very high-quality IPS panels with 3840x2400 resolution. 61 ms grey-to-grey response time, though. Contrast and brightness aren't to modern standards, but it's very usable.
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PC vs Mac rant. Nothing to do with the Unicomp Spacesaver M keyboard...
These arguments haven't changed in my 20 years of supporting PCs and Macs. Drive whatever you want, there will always be haters.
Keyboard looks promising... Nice to see a more featured Apple keyset in a mechanical board. Wish it was all black though.
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Serves the Jobs.
http://www.macpornblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/mac-porn-directory.jpg
Yep.....sure does