charge you $25 as a thank you.
The XArmor has many things as a plus, backlight, headset jacks, not glossy but matte which I like better, but the fact that this keyboard is sold by different company/brand and that the US one doesn't even have a site it's making me feel something cheesy is going on in there...
So the main problem about switching to the 104 key layout is that the missing key is one between the left shift and the 'z' key, that allows me to do: '<' and '>' that for me is very important since I program a lot.
By the way, I see this key on IBM terminal boards and the like. I found it odd because you already have < and > as shift keys on the , and . key, so I moved mine elsewhere and used it for a tilde/backtick.
What's wrong with using Shift-, and Shift-. as < and >? Is it the extra shift needed to get I'm a C/C++ guy so I don't use them that often, so it doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
I found a way to get a Filco with 105 key layout, not spanish but another language, the key positions are still the same, with mx brown switches, a bit pricey: 185 usd, including shipping but I think its ok, Filco is a Japanese company so top notch technology, quality, I think its worth it :)
Considering they will be shipping it to South america, Bolivia, its a nice deal I think... I perhaps will be getting some new blank keycaps for it so it looks better, since there is no spanish layout keycaps at sale :P (as far as I know...)
Check the diference between the USA 104key layout and the SPANISH traditional layout (105) you will see what I mean :)
I'm a project manager on a company that does web sites, so I use it a lot <(O_O)> heh
Spanish traditional sort: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Spanish_.28Spain.29.2C_aka_Spanish_.28International_sort.29
USA layout:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#United_States
Xarmor customer service is not so hot. Hope you don't get chattering switches because they won't replace it and then charge you $25 as a thank you. (http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/997697-im-little-annoyed-xarmor.html)
Aha. See your point. Of course, that doesn't prevent you from switching to a US International layout -- everything will still be available, you just have to use Alt-Gr.
What layout are you looking for? You can get a Filco from PCHome right now for much cheaper than that... http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?12854-PChome-%28Taiwan%29-20-Worldwide-Shipping-Promo
Can you please provide me with some explanation on which program to do that and how to set it? this would save me like 60+ usd if I pick the US layout, and I would really appreciate it!
Well, I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key#US_international
By using the AltGr key it would seem you'd get all of the characters you mentioned in your first post.
As for enabling the use of AltGr (replacing right-Alt), you can just choose US International as your keyboard layout in Linux or Windows or Mac OS X or whatever you use.
Personally, instead of US International with AltGr, I use the old-fashioned UNIX way of doing things, which is the Compose key. I use xmodmap to map my right-Ctrl to Compose (Multi_Key), then to get, say, á, I type (in sequence) RCtrl -> ' -> a. You get all kinds of other fancy characters this way too. But better, I think, for the occasional `special character' entry, rather than everyday Spanish or what have you.
The keys are NOT sturdy, and the stems are very easily damaged by simply using the included keypuller to swap out the WASD keys the W key snapped on me. It's in for repair, and since they are saying it's user damage, they want to charge me 30$. They have also had the board for 2 weeks now. (...) If you don't ever pull the keycaps, you may not have any issues with the XArmor.
Xarmor is touted heavily at OCN. This is why I never recommend it.
Can you list a few known issues off your memory with the current U9BL (line on the spacebar, not dot)?
The Ripster's messages about Xarmor are just matter of personal hate.
What layout are you looking for? You can get a Filco from PCHome right now for much cheaper than that... http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?12854-PChome-%28Taiwan%29-20-Worldwide-Shipping-Promo
Hahaha - I've SEEN plenty of Xarmor horror stories at OCN.
LoL B!tching about XArmor may increase his chances to see one of the Zibal 60 chick naked.
I would stay the F away from X-Armor, and get a real keyboard (I have a UBL9-s). The keys are NOT sturdy, and the stems are very easily damaged by simply using the included keypuller to swap out the WASD keys the W key snapped on me. It's in for repair, and since they are saying it's user damage, they want to charge me 30$. They have also had the board for 2 weeks now.
Needless to say, I will be sticking with reputable companies in the future, not these XArmor jokers. The leo tenkeyless brown I am using now is FAR BETTER (more solid, better stabilizers) to type on than the XArmor was. If you don't ever pull the keycaps, you may not have any issues with the XArmor.
Hahaha - I've SEEN plenty of Xarmor horror stories at OCN.
First of all, hello everyone.
- 1) you broke the spacebar (you have no knowledge on removing the spacebar and you blame us for poor quality)
- 2) you broke the shifts key with stabilizer bar, again you don't remove these keys unless you know what you are doing
- 3) you use excessive force to remove all the keycaps ( almost all the keycaps) on the keyboard and you damage all the stem.
- 4) we only have your board for 1 week you claimed 2 weeks.
- 5) We can post images on your board and let the forum user see what you did to the board.
here you are claiming you ONLY swap out the WASD key and we charge you $30 to fix one key?
i think you are the joker here...
Thank you
Interesting reply - It's good that you defend your company, but how you say things truly matters. Being respectful and nice goes a long way in keeping customers happy (including potential customers). Respectful but still defending your company can be done! I truly want to like xArmor; I think the keyboards look awesome and I almost bought one instead of the Das. However, it's hard for me to trust a company who shut down their website with nothing but a warranty page with a page title of "store closed". Even if you don't want to sell keyboards through your website, having one with information about your keyboards would go a long way to sooth concerns of potential customers. Just sayin'...
*edit - Perception is everything :) *
-Tallon
Xarmor customer service is not so hot. Hope you don't get chattering switches because they won't replace it and then charge you $25 as a thank you. (http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/997697-im-little-annoyed-xarmor.html)
I would stay the F away from X-Armor, and get a real keyboard (I have a UBL9-s). The keys are NOT sturdy, and the stems are very easily damaged by simply using the included keypuller to swap out the WASD keys the W key snapped on me. It's in for repair, and since they are saying it's user damage, they want to charge me 30$. They have also had the board for 2 weeks now.
Needless to say, I will be sticking with reputable companies in the future, not these XArmor jokers. The leo tenkeyless brown I am using now is FAR BETTER (more solid, better stabilizers) to type on than the XArmor was. If you don't ever pull the keycaps, you may not have any issues with the XArmor.
Don't blame folks for not wanting to support a company who treats paying customers this way.
You were the one withholding information on the situation to make libelous claims about the company. Don't try and turn this around. You can back pedal all you want, as you have been, but it won't change that fact. You're no winner here. I can't blame this employee for wanting to come here and correct misinformation. I don't agree with how they came across and handled the situation, but I won't hold the actions of one person to the credibility of a whole company.
I bought a Das before, and now I am using Filco Tenkeyless Majestouch Blue. I am loving it so far. Das is a great keyboard, but as I stated on my other thread, it has some cosmetic problems. Personally, I want my expensive keyboard to be good looking as always, showing great build quality. Das... didn't fulfill me in that way so much :( It's actually not that of a big problem, if you don't mind too much, but it really does get lots of minor scratches, stains, white filming, and the build quality of the side of the keyboard does lack compare to Filco. BUT in the keystroke wise, I prefer Das more than Filco. It's just the depth of the keyboard design. You won't hit the bottom more when typing with Das, therefore your hand will feel more comfortable, able to type more preventing fatigue.
If I were you, Filco is a little expensive compare to Das. About 30~50 more. Filco is worth that price in my opinion than Das. Das just lacks in build quality, and it was my first mechanical keyboard. And in the brand name wise too, Filco wins. But you won't go wrong with Das either. If you can find the model you want for Filco, and able to pay little more, go with Filco.
I wanted to get some feedback on the build quality of the das, I personally like it, and so does the Filco, but I wanted to know if the Das glossy cover its easy or not to scratch, I know it can get dirty easily, but if you are able to clean it and get it 100% back to new, then its no problem, as for the Filco, I think its good also, but the keycaps get shinny fast I heard, in the end, all keycaps get shinny with time, I doubt theres someone around that uses gloves to get on their computer, or such, and with use is normal.
What I'm after, is a 105 layout, not the 104, but is really hard and overpriced to get a 105 layout... I wonder if it's really worth it to pay 50$ to get the correct layout, or test and try out and option to remap a couple of keys and time to get used to a mod 104 layout to work as my 105...
The Das is great keyboard. But it's just the textures... I didn't throw or drop my keyboard, and kept constantly keep cleaning my keyboard. You really need to use your glass cleaner (the one comes with) for cleaning. I used paper towel with little water on it, and it gets minor scratches all over. Truthfully, it's not very visible in dim light. It is visible when you are in bright room, but what I'm saying is if it's a over $100 keyboard, it shouldn't have any of these problems. So it becomes irritating and annoying when you see those cosmetic damages. Other people have said this and I couldn't agree more. They should really fix those glossy textures. Looking cool just doesn't make it a great mechanical keyboard. It should have great build quality. I mean everything should be great you know..
I got my Filco tenkeyless like new used for $120, and I have to say.. it is just better. There's a reason why people keep insisting Filco over other brands such as Das or Leopolds. Filco is just little bit better in every way (in my opinion), and that's what makes the brand, Filco.
It would be best to try it out, but yes, it is quite expensive. I had the same concern before purchasing Das. What I did was, there's a full refund within 30 days after purchasing Das (from the official site). I tried it out first, and I was satisfied at the moment, but after 3 weeks, I decided to change it to Filco due to the annoying cosmetic concerns. So I'd recommend for go for Das, then if you don't like it you can just return it. :)
Hope this helps!
but I want something solid, and Filco seems like the way to go right? by the way, the Filco brand is japanese? stuff made in japan is so much better than anywhere in the world, I really trust on the quality of japanese made electronics/cars specially.Yes, Filco is made from Japan. Leopolds make great keyboards too, almost same as Filco, and some say it's better. Leopolds is from Korea. All the Asia products are always great :) (except.. yea... China.. sadly..) The boards are actually manufactured from Taiwan too. When you type Das on it, it really does feel great. The tactile feedback is great. Personally I like the feedback from Das more than Filco, it just makes my hand type more without getting fast fatigue. But it's just the build quality of the board!! :( So I had to return it.. If Filco seems too expensive, you can look for leopolds too. But I believe Leopolds 104 is kinda hard to get in US... only tekneyless in blue and brown.
The filco will be then, I really appreciate your input on this. I'll post pictures of it when it arrives, I still have to wait for my job payment on 15th may, and then a week for it to arrive so... I'll have to be patient.You're welcome :) I will see you on GH!
Bad customer service is the one thing people dont want to deal with when paying a premium for their product.
Isn't BW Ultimate more expensive
-Keycaps made of cheap/weak plastic (known to break easily if removed)
-Poor stabilizers of the large keys (Actuation feels significantly different when pressing them off center)
This is absolutely not true.
Stabilizers are exactly the same as most of the costar style stabilizers, and this is one of the points where the U9BL wins hands down over black widow.
Maybe I'm wrong here, but other than the keycap itself, that looks exactly the same as my Filco, and the Cherry parts I salvaged off of my POS board. I think the stabilizer and clip are Cherry parts.
LoL I think you are taking me for an idiot.
But saying that Xarmor sucks because the stabilizers is MISINFORMATION, period.
LoL - Cloning the design doesn't make it equal in quality.
Jeez are you on XArmor payroll?
I just dont like the biased positions
I just dont like the biased positions
Look for yourself Thomas (Photoshopped version of one of Ripster's Picture)Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17964&d=1304717598)
1- The loop is thicker than the XArmor's
2- The insert is much longer than the XArmor's
3- The clips are properly secured/attached to the board (as opposed to loose in all directions on the XArmor)
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cheap, cheap, cheap, 3 times in a row
So they aren't "cloned" after all.
They works, they works well, and this is enough.
Is a problem for you if a fully featured keyboard cost less than a basic one ?.
Luckily the mech keyboards have this great advantage above the rubberdomes ... the advantage is that they can be easily fixed, and the spare parts are widely standardized.
The day a stabilizer will fail on my xarmor, I will simply fix it, maybe spending one or two euro.
That said, as I already wrote, is likely that in the next two years, the backlit mech keyboars will become more mainstream, and is likely that Deck or not, Xarmor or not, we will buy a better keyboard, no matter if the older one is working or not.
So I think that spending 50$ more today, to get a worst keyboard just because is supposedly more durable, is simply a stupid move, just a personal opinion.
Ok I agree with pretty much all the above except for the spending more for worst. The Deck doesn't look as good and it got a bigger footprint other than that, it's better in all fronts.
But I'm sure there are guys and galls out there who would enjoy buying a single keyboard that is going to last until computers no longer accept the connection, even with an adaptor.
All fronts ?
Its ugly, it's large like a model M from 1985, it has those Prince of Persia like fonts, it lacks the HUB, it lacks a decent wrist rest, you need a solder to switch from USB to PS/2 and (afaik) it comes with no accessories. Couple of LEDs are also connected in series and this will made complicate the led modding, specially when one wants to use different colors for different keys, the flat style arrangement of its keys is also less confortable.
And likely I forgot something.
There isn't any backlit keyboard that can considered perfect nowadays. And surely Deck isn't closer to perfection than Xarmor.
A cherry board is not a keyboard for life, specially if tactile, specially if baclit.
Switches will become uneven, and some will fail, LEDs also, no matter what QC did, its just statistics, when you have 109 LEDs, 106 switches (which in turn are made by a number of pieces) the chances to have a failed piece (or a piece that will fail well before the others) are way higher than other type of boards.
The number of strokes that a single switch can accomplish is just misleading, so if you want a keyboard you don't mind to fix or replace you should look to a model M, a topre or even to any other good rubber dome keyboard.
It's something like a vegan that argue if beefsteaks are better than hamburgers, or I miss something ?
I found a way to get a Filco with 105 key layout,
brkim,
The filco will be then, I really appreciate your input on this. I'll post pictures of it when it arrives, I still have to wait for my job payment on 15th may, and then a week for it to arrive so... I'll have to be patient.
Thanks for everyones' help!
Thanks for your advice BulckingSpring then if there's no need to get it I'll not worry. Still, I'll have to get, separately the keycap puller, is the one at sale on amazon good enouth?