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Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Zamorph on Mon, 16 May 2011, 21:20:35
Just wondering how geekhack felt about FPS games on the PC vs console.  Is PC fps gaming dead? (aside from lans :P)  The lack of good servers on games makes me upset for PC
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BaconKnight on Mon, 16 May 2011, 21:33:05
I actually came up on the opposite side of the tracks than most here I assume in that my first FPS experiences came from console, all the way back from Goldeneye to Halo to now. Wasn't into PC gaming back then as I was too young to really know even how to get started. So I'm perfectly content playing on dual analog sticks, for particular types of games like Halo where the action is purposely slowed down so twitch doesn't matter, that's fine. And for Call of Duty games, aim assist factors so heavily, and it's a pretty mindless (imo) shooter anyway, precision is whatevers.

That being said, there are several shooters I play now on the PC that I freaking love and cannot imagine playing on a console. Namely Battlefield Bad Company 2 and Team Fortress 2. Play those, especially Bad Company 2, a ton, and those are games where I feel is best served on PC. But I do see your point that unlike several years ago where FPS gaming was either PC or go home, most companies largely view the console as their primary market and PC as their port. Kinda disappointing but I don't mind too much as long as I have my BC2 and TF2. And Battlefield 3 looks to be another good looking PC shooter so I got that to look forward too.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: RAICHU on Mon, 16 May 2011, 22:01:27
I too came from playing a lot of console games, I had all most of the systems in the 90's lol. My first FPS game that got me hooked was Battlefield 2.

There are plenty of servers in the FPS games that I play. I know Minecraft technically isn't a FPS, but it is in first person, and there are tons of servers for that. Most FPS games I play on the PC are like Counter-Strike: Source, Counter-Strike 1.6, Battlefield 2, Team Fortress 2, and Left 4 Dead 2.  I am looking forward to Battlefield 3 as well. Then there are the third person games where it feels much more natural to use on a controller like Splinter Cell, Assassin's Creed or Grand Theft Auto.

I don't think PC gaming is dying at all. I think it's actually growing, seeing how computers are getting more affordable. I like the fact that a majority of the games I play are on the PC, and a lot of the ported games from consoles can also be played on PC.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: noodles256 on Mon, 16 May 2011, 22:14:14
lawl at console fps.

that is all
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 17 May 2011, 00:35:08
For geek hackers who have refined tastes in keyboards and subsequently mice(I assume they go hand in hand) as well, how could anyone vote console fps?
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BaconKnight on Tue, 17 May 2011, 01:40:20
I don't think anyone here is saying console is a better platform for FPS than PC. I also don't think this is a poll either but that's beside the point. :bump2:

Nothing beats a good mouse and keyboard for traditional FPS shooters. I have Orange Box on both PC and 360 and when I went back to try TF2 on 360 for giggles, couldn't stand it, felt so unresponsive. I also LOL'd at the lack of hats.

Conversely, I also don't subscribe the belief that you can't have a good FPS experience with a controller. As I mentioned earlier, Halo's gameplay is specifically designed around the controller with a slower pace and shield/armor mechanic and that's a game where the experience wouldn't be enhanced by a mouse and keyboard. And trust me, I played Halo 1 PC. :-(

"Arcadey" modern shooters like Call of Duty or Medal of Honor are a wash for me. The pace of those games are so quick with 3 bullet or less kills and snap to aim down the sights that I really don't care whether I play those on 360 or PC. Well I take that back, even in those game, I'll admit the PC control interface is better, but it's not such a huge deal where I can't play it on 360. In fact since most of my friends play on the 360, that's the one I play on for those types of games.

Now if we're talking about old school twitch shooters like Quake or Unreal Tourney, then yeah, controllers are garbage for those types of games. But times have changed and aside from a niche audience, gamers have mostly moved beyond that type of game, including me, although maybe I'm just getting too old to keep up. :lol:

P.S. Just wanna remind everyone, Bad Company 2 on the PC is my go to favorite FPS game right now so don't worry, I fly the keyboard and mouse flag high. Just wanted to share my thoughts that controllers aren't so bad. Especially if we're going beyond FPS shooters. Even on PC, if it's a third person game like Assassin's Creed, I'll plug a controller in, M&Kboard feels weird. 3rd person shooters, it depends. If it's more shooter focused, M&K, if it's more traversal style like GTAIV, controller.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Slarg on Tue, 17 May 2011, 02:58:28
PC FPS is the stuff.
mods, custom maps, SDK, etc.
console tweaks (as in ingame console commands)
screenshots (pointless but fun)
Dedicated servers (not all the time sadly)
one more word : Minecraft. (not sure if truely classified as FPS, well you shoot arrows in first person!)
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Zamorph on Tue, 17 May 2011, 07:52:48
It seems that the great games, like quake, bf2, cs, tf2 are the "pc" games where as cod and others are more console games.  I just wish that PC was even on terms of servers with consoles b/c maby more people would play PC, like someone said, pcs are more affordable now.

Shrug, I have the xbox, but I love gaming on my pc.  The yearly fee, even though small, adds up... I have been paying for xbox for 6 years now and idk if i got my moneys worth :P
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 17 May 2011, 10:45:00
I personally cannot stand studio ghibli animation, looks like upscaled 80's animation imo, bones, xebec, gonzo, jcstaff, pierrot have nicer animation, doesn't mean they produce good animes tho, but that could be just storyboarding or whatever (in the case of gonzo, good animation, horrible implementation).
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: audioave10 on Tue, 17 May 2011, 11:01:05
PC is all I know, so my decision is easy.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Mazora on Tue, 17 May 2011, 11:46:23
Quote from: noodles256;347317
lawl at console fps.

that is all

+1
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Twitchy on Tue, 17 May 2011, 13:06:12
I hesitate to say this on a keyboard enthusiast forum but in my opinion mouse and keyboard only has one advantage over a console controller and that's the mouse. Mouse aim is great on a PC FPS but for everything else (assuming that you don't need to bind about fifty keys) I would go with a controller (wired xbox 360).
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 17 May 2011, 20:01:39
fps on console fail. if they were so good all of them would have cross platform competitive play. have you ever noticed on the ones that do, all you hear is console kids crying about getting insta killed by pc gamers? the only games i have ever played that i prefer a control system other than keyboard / mouse are driving / flying sims. and here i don't want a controller pad, but a proper wheel / joystick + pedals set up. the only games i think are suited to game pads are fighting games like mortal kombat etc. and possibly old school side scrollers.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Arc'xer on Tue, 17 May 2011, 20:13:11
Quote from: Twitchy;347588
I hesitate to say this on a keyboard enthusiast forum but in my opinion mouse and keyboard only has one advantage over a console controller and that's the mouse. Mouse aim is great on a PC FPS but for everything else (assuming that you don't need to bind about fifty keys) I would go with a controller (wired xbox 360).

In a way yes though now with higher end keyboards it's gone back to the keyboard. Here's a thread that I posted in Joy/Mouse or Joy/trackball setups or HOTAS/Mouse/ball (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?11745-left-hand-is-not-enough-footpedals&p=282615&viewfull=1#post282615)

As for mouse the reason as to why it's so much better can be expressed ad nauseum.

This video of the Xim3 says it all especially the guy over voice chat. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnZvrjv1_JI)

The only reason they can keep up with him is because of the soft-aim/lock(auto-aim) and it's the video is even more hilarious for the fact that the xbox doesn't do a 1:1 translation(low polling rate, translation, etc.etc.) so in reality the mouse is being used only at maybe 70-80% of it's full capacity.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: curzen on Tue, 17 May 2011, 20:17:49
While I have a PS3 hooked up in the living room I plan on playing RAGE on my to be completed new PC when it's released this fall. Plus SWTOR won't be on consoles and I like to keep my most played games all on one system if possible.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: noodles256 on Tue, 17 May 2011, 20:45:01
we get two free games for the ps3 blackout ripster!
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: curzen on Tue, 17 May 2011, 20:52:37
Age of Empires Online will be f2p. I'll waste some time with that I think.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: noodles256 on Tue, 17 May 2011, 20:59:44
Quote from: ripster;347766
ANOTHER reason PC Gaming is dead.

Microsoft and Intel would never give anything away free.

What ones should I get?

Little Big Planet and Infamous?

those were actually my choices lol.

Little big planet for my g/f, she wanted it

infamous for me
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: audioave10 on Wed, 18 May 2011, 09:32:31
I didn't care that LA Noire did not port to the PC. I would love to see Red Dead Redemption however (don't think it will happen).
Old guys play new PC games also. There are a bunch of them this year.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BaconKnight on Thu, 19 May 2011, 00:08:52
Infamous is the clear pick out of that list imo. That was a good game, even if I never finished it (I have a hard time finishing open world games in general).

Also I agree with the point that PC exclusives I think are gonna go down year by year (although as I say that, Witcher 2 just came out) but to me, the benefit of the PC is that a lot of console games are heading there and usually end up being cheaper so in a sense, there's less console exclusive games too. I'll admit there's way more console exclusive games than PC exclusive ones, but it's getting better. Plus there are some developers that go multiplatform but it's clear the PC version is the one to get (Valve).
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: audioave10 on Thu, 19 May 2011, 01:32:02
Portal 2
Skyrim
Dragon Age II
Crysis 2
Diablo III
Brink
Mass Effect 3
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Guild Wars 2
Lord of the Rings: War in the North
Star Wars: The Old Republic
The Witcher 2
Dead Island
Shogun 2: Total War
Assasin's Creed: Brotherhood
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II
Dead Space 2
Amnesia: The Dark Descent
Bulletstorm
Two Worlds II
Darkspore
Section 8: Prejudice
Mount & Blade: With Fire & Sword
Hydrophobia Prophecy
Homefront
Sanctum
Cities in Motion
Monday Night Combat
Battlefield: Bad Company 3
Duke Nukem
Fable III
The First Templar

I did not list platform or Strategy games...all 2011.
The next Metro game may be 2012 along with Stalker 2.

It ain't quite dead yet but I'm sure they will pump out twice as many on consoles.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BaconKnight on Thu, 19 May 2011, 01:50:36
I think the counter argument is 3/4ths of those are available on consoles. Of those left, a couple are MMOs or strategy games (games where the genre dictates the platform), a couple are lower budget games (Amnesia, First Templar) which might be great, but have some jank in em, and one of em is Two Worlds II which I don't think I have to further expand on. :lol: Although that does still leave you with Diablo 3 which can redeem that list single handedly, hopefully.

Like I said though, I don't mind games being multiplatform, as long as there's a PC version I can play in high res.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: audioave10 on Thu, 19 May 2011, 09:33:09
Do you work for Sony?
Do you know how evil they are?
Anyway...glad that your so very happy with your Playstation.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: audioave10 on Thu, 19 May 2011, 09:46:50
I didn't quite go there. Seems the larger they are, the more potential for greed anyway.
I forgot...Serious Sam 3 & Rage. At least we are still getting many ports.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: kpeezy on Thu, 19 May 2011, 10:40:28
LOL, I hope people are trolling with any PC gaming = dead comments. Pure ignorance if that's not the case. I'm used to seeing these kinds of threads getting slammed on NeoGAF. A reminder of how good of a gaming forum that place is.

Quote from: ripster;347757
I refuse to buy a PC game until I can figure out how to get audiophile quality 7.1 sound without these damn Creative drivers.

 
This is definitely a joke, right? This thread has clouded my judgement.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 20 May 2011, 15:41:26
Quote from: ripster;347738
BWAHAHAHA - Guess What I'm Playing Right Now!!!!

You were playing Geekhack, the forum.

Quote from: audioave10;348470
Do you work for Sony?
Do you know how evil they are?

No I don't know, and I have an interview with Sony next week. How evil are Sony? I mean, other than the hacking database incompetency thing.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: noodles256 on Fri, 20 May 2011, 15:50:54
sony backwards spells evil
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: noodles256 on Fri, 20 May 2011, 16:22:47
you should get the asus soundcard. I forgot the specifics of it, but my friend has it and it blows the creative titanium diamond x-fi-headfi-.org card out of the water
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: noodles256 on Fri, 20 May 2011, 16:30:46
I asked my friend and he told it was the ASUS Xonar essence stx w/ virtual 7.1
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BababooeyHTJ on Fri, 20 May 2011, 20:26:52
Quote from: Twitchy;347588
I hesitate to say this on a keyboard enthusiast forum but in my opinion mouse and keyboard only has one advantage over a console controller and that's the mouse. Mouse aim is great on a PC FPS but for everything else (assuming that you don't need to bind about fifty keys) I would go with a controller (wired xbox 360).

 
How do you switch weapons on the fly with a controller? Scroll through each one?
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BaconKnight on Fri, 20 May 2011, 20:50:55
Quote from: BababooeyHTJ;349249
How do you switch weapons on the fly with a controller? Scroll through each one?

It's called modern shooter game design where they only allow you to carry two guns anyway. Or 4 at the max and mapped to the dpad. :-)
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BababooeyHTJ on Fri, 20 May 2011, 21:20:37
Quote from: BaconKnight;349261
It's called modern shooter game design where they only allow you to carry two guns anyway. Or 4 at the max and mapped to the dpad. :-)


I like to play a variety of games. I get bored of the COD clones. I know that Serious Sam would bug the crap out of me. HL2 would bother me, UT3, GTA4, etc.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: audioave10 on Fri, 20 May 2011, 22:55:05
If its a game, I want to shoot him first. Then, we can sit around and wonder if he was lying or not. (yes, I'm old school)
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BaconKnight on Fri, 20 May 2011, 23:17:24
Quote from: BababooeyHTJ;349269
I like to play a variety of games. I get bored of the COD clones. I know that Serious Sam would bug the crap out of me. HL2 would bother me, UT3, GTA4, etc.

 
Good games but I don't know how you can enjoy GTA4's driving with a keyboard. Considering shooting isn't GTA4's strong suit anyway, I greatly prefer the controller. That being said, I played Saint's Row 2 with mouse and keyboard because the shooting mechanics were actually good.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: audioave10 on Sat, 21 May 2011, 00:16:07
Somewhat suprisingly, since all I've ever known is a keyboard, I drive with it in GTA4 with no problem at all. I'm probably tap-tapping like crazy, but it just works good for me. If you have consoles, however, you would think I was crazy. I play it alot for fun. Blowing up Police cars with grenades is fun!
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: noodles256 on Sat, 21 May 2011, 00:17:37
consolez ftw,  i love call of duty black opz. I iz super pro at is with my controller zaurz. It's modded cuz I iz extra l33t
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BaconKnight on Sat, 21 May 2011, 01:11:41
(http://i.imgur.com/Wvzua.png)
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Lanx on Sat, 21 May 2011, 01:38:57
what's stopping you fps competitive console guys from just buying that adapter that lets you use a keyboard and mouse? I mean if you were really competitive you wouldn't just stop at modding a few analogue nobs on a controller or doing some double fire, you'd just get that adapter for a mouse and keyboard and that would beat any wussy controller mod.
I'll always go by the notion that an average keyboard/mouse fps player will beat 98% of all controller fps players.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BaconKnight on Sat, 21 May 2011, 02:22:01
Because that would be cheating? No one has said a controller is better at FPS than a mouse and keyboard, it's common knowledge at this point. I find it funny that so many PC gamers seem to need to always remind people of this when no one is asking.

My point I'm trying to make is playing a FPS on a controller doesn't automatically mean it's BAD. Is M&K better? Sure. But when I look at my situation for example, where I have 10 or so friends who only play COD on console and 0 who play on PC, I pick the console because I rather play with my friends and dual analog is good enough.

The thing is, I'm pretty much 90% a PC gamer at this point. Currently several hours deep into Witcher 2, last game I beat was Portal 2 on PC, before that Bulletstorm PC, Dragon Age 2 PC, Assassins Creed 2 PC, GTAIV PC, Starcraft 2 PC and mostly play SC2/Bad Company 2/Team Fortress 2/Darkspore on PC for multiplayer. Last console game I actually beat was Halo: Reach when it first launched (excellent game by the way). And I do hate ignorant comments from the console only crowd who decry PC gaming. But you know what irks me even more than that? PC gamer elitism. It's all vidgieo games. No need to turn it into a PNS measuring contest. :happy:
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: noodles256 on Sat, 21 May 2011, 02:49:39
Quote from: Lanx;349338
what's stopping you fps competitive console guys from just buying that adapter that lets you use a keyboard and mouse? I mean if you were really competitive you wouldn't just stop at modding a few analogue nobs on a controller or doing some double fire, you'd just get that adapter for a mouse and keyboard and that would beat any wussy controller mod.
I'll always go by the notion that an average keyboard/mouse fps player will beat 98% of all controller fps players.

hey lanx, you wantz xbox 360 lanz party-zorz?

I iz graduate of grammar
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Arc'xer on Sat, 21 May 2011, 04:35:22
Quote from: BaconKnight;349345
Because that would be cheating?


Quote from: Arc'xer;347744
In a way yes though now with higher end keyboards it's gone back to the keyboard. Here's a thread that I posted in Joy/Mouse or Joy/trackball setups or HOTAS/Mouse/ball (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?11745-left-hand-is-not-enough-footpedals&p=282615&viewfull=1#post282615)

As for mouse the reason as to why it's so much better can be expressed ad nauseum.

This video of the Xim3 says it all especially the guy over voice chat. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnZvrjv1_JI)

The only reason they can keep up with him is because of the soft-aim/lock(auto-aim) and it's the video is even more hilarious for the fact that the xbox doesn't do a 1:1 translation(low polling rate, translation, etc.etc.) so in reality the mouse is being used only at maybe 70-80% of it's full capacity.


Not at all cheating for this or any other 3rd party unit for that matter (http://www.xim3.com/community/index.php?topic=9535.0)

Only thing is costs of those products.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BaconKnight on Sat, 21 May 2011, 05:06:40
Bella the nice Xbox Support Services lady might say it's not cheating but deep down in your heart when your headshotting poor console noobs left and right, you know what's right and what's wrong. :-)
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Twitchy on Sat, 21 May 2011, 06:38:17
As far as I'm aware Major League Gaming doesn't support the use of mouse and keyboard for playing Halo:Reach or Black Ops at their tournaments (even wireless controllers are banned from Halo Reach - Rule 1 (http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/17#event_35_event_rules)). So if high level players are not playing with mouse and keyboard then all you are left with is a bunch of less skilled players hoping to pay for an advantage against people who are playing for fun.

With that in mind if using xim3 or a similar device on XBL isn't yet considered cheating then it should be. Devices like that can destroy a game's online population, they put players in a position where they either buy the device themselves, get used to getting their asses kicked, or find something else to do.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sun, 22 May 2011, 09:00:25
Quote from: Twitchy;349382
As far as I'm aware Major League Gaming doesn't support the use of mouse and keyboard for playing

No keyboard or mouse on console games... Right? Because it gives a heck of an edge.

Why console FPS make so much money - Because more people buy them.
Why hard core FPS players prefers PC - Because of the user interface (keyboard and mouse/trackball) allow far more speed, control and accuracy over joysticks.

I'll switch to consoles the day they will offer the same level of control you get with a PC.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BababooeyHTJ on Sun, 22 May 2011, 11:28:04
Quote from: BucklingSpring;349788
No keyboard or mouse on console games... Right? Because it gives a heck of an edge.

Why console FPS make so much money - Because more people buy them.
Why hard core FPS players prefers PC - Because of the user interface (keyboard and mouse/trackball) allow far more speed, control and accuracy over joysticks.

I'll switch to consoles the day they will offer the same level of control you get with a PC.

 
If you include the ability to add mods,textures, adjust the fov, etc then you will never have the same level of control. Then there is all of the 12 year old, racist, homophobic, foul mouthed kids that you see on xbox live and probably psn that you just don't see on your average server on the pc.

I forgot about dedicated servers.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: audioave10 on Sun, 22 May 2011, 12:05:37
I expect the tough economy is having some effect on innovation. That and greedy impatient publishers.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BababooeyHTJ on Sun, 22 May 2011, 12:53:18
Quote from: ripster;349831
THAT is the problem with PC Gaming.

It's ALL 2's.

Retreads.

No innovation.

 
You just need to look outside of th mainstream titles.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Zamorph on Sun, 22 May 2011, 17:14:43
One thing that I really love about PC gaming is that you can save a lot of games to your harddrive so you dont have to worry about that scratched disk all the time :P
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sun, 22 May 2011, 20:22:06
Quote from: ripster;349839
I'm looking forward to Duke Nukem on a PS3.
Show Image
(http://www.bargaincell.com/images/products_large/thirdparty/dnh/tp011592.jpg)


I wonder what the booby rating will be?


OMG - Consistent exposure to nuclear radiation made him grow a woman hand.
I bet Duke uses that third hand when he wank.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Lanx on Sun, 22 May 2011, 22:33:01
i think the director of mad men directed the acting in la noire, (or something like that) so that's why there's a bit of mad men ppl.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: chel- on Sun, 22 May 2011, 22:40:41
In terms of gameplay I personally cant stand console FPS. I started playing FPS games on the N64 with goldeneye but once I tried a shooter on the pc I haven't looked back.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Zamorph on Tue, 24 May 2011, 18:50:50
On a serious note, why did you buy ps3 over xbox? (In general question)
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 24 May 2011, 19:12:38
do ppl have one or the other? (360 vs. ps3) I have all of them, b/c of the platform specific games (god of war/mario/kinect).
even have a stupid balance board, the only thing i haven't gotten is the move and i hope good games never come out for it, cuz i'd hate to have another accessory that collects dust (guitar hero/drums...)
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BababooeyHTJ on Tue, 24 May 2011, 19:22:15
How much money have you spent on keyboards in the past year?
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BababooeyHTJ on Tue, 24 May 2011, 19:26:59
Thats not bad at all but it's a bit hypocritical to bust balls over someone dropping a couple of grand every couple of years on a hobby.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BababooeyHTJ on Tue, 24 May 2011, 19:40:53
Quote from: ripster;350999
Just saying, it's illogical to pay that much for so little content.

 
But it is logical to spend $60 on the same game every year? You know call of duty, Madden, etc. Hell half of the games on the consoles are pretty much the same. The money spent on couple of $60 titles and a $400 console can buy you a pretty capable gaming computer. One that you can do other things on than just play video games. You also have to remember that the components also tend to hold their value.

The amount of content is a different argument, that a lot of people might disagree with you.

The whole $500 video card thing I will never understand.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 24 May 2011, 19:42:33
Quote from: ripster;350999
Just saying, it's illogical to pay that much for so little content.
having once doing this when my fiance used to play mmo's for 7 years, it was rather annoying upgrading every year, especially when you "NEEDED" to see graphics in a mmo to know when a spell is cast or not, that's the worst. Couldn't even give her or myself hand me downs, we both needed near top end gear. Now i'm rather happy having a graphics card from 2007 (4850?) and having fun modding a amd dual to a quad and ssd's, but haven't even wanted to touch anything for half a year. (it's an all work comp anyway, just need it to work 100%)
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BaconKnight on Tue, 24 May 2011, 19:44:51
You need to upgrade cards for MMOs?
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 24 May 2011, 20:22:37
yup, especially if you are a high end, end game mmo raider, and you kill massive bosses with 20+ other ppl (which contribute to graphics/internet lag), and you have to "seen" when a spell is cast to either
1. interrupt it
2. dodge it
3. do something...
otherwise it really is the difference between winning and loosing.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BababooeyHTJ on Tue, 24 May 2011, 20:28:02
Can't you just do that on a console? :rolleyes:
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: daerid on Tue, 24 May 2011, 20:28:34
Quote from: BababooeyHTJ;350990
How much money have you spent on keyboards in the past year?

Flawed argument. Keyboards are tools used to create content. They are not the content itself.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BababooeyHTJ on Tue, 24 May 2011, 20:32:13
You missed my point.

Quote from: BababooeyHTJ;350997
Thats not bad at all but it's a bit hypocritical to bust balls over someone dropping a couple of grand every couple of years on a hobby.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BababooeyHTJ on Tue, 24 May 2011, 20:52:38
Or you could just rip those BluRays to a HDD and never worry about them again. A halfway decent HTPC can do things that you could never dream of doing with a PS3. Don't get me wrong that is a nice feature, Blu ray players were expensive when the PS3 was released.

Personally I couldn't justify the $400 on a PS3.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 24 May 2011, 23:47:37
Quote from: BababooeyHTJ;351028
Can't you just do that on a console? :rolleyes:

mmo's on a console is the stupidest thing ever, ffxi barely worked and ffxiv is so pathetic sony/square apologizes for it being so bad. Plus with the PSN out for a month, who would want to have a mmo on a console? If you're doing high end raiding in any mmo, a missed day or 2 is pretty bad to recover from.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BaconKnight on Wed, 25 May 2011, 00:18:02
To be fair, FF14 is only on PC atm and it's patheticness is more deep rooted than what it's on lol. Glad I tried the beta to realize I don't want to try the game.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 25 May 2011, 11:15:00
Quote from: BaconKnight;351130
To be fair, FF14 is only on PC atm and it's patheticness is more deep rooted than what it's on lol. Glad I tried the beta to realize I don't want to try the game.

 
Ah, but ffxiv was created for a console interface and rollout which is a good portion of why it sucks too.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: BaconKnight on Wed, 25 May 2011, 20:43:18
Quote from: Lanx;351301
Ah, but ffxiv was created for a console interface and rollout which is a good portion of why it sucks too.

I remember going up to a quest crystal, which is a giant 6 feet tall object in this game world, and not being able to click on it. We had to walk up to it and click on menu options in a drop down menu that appears. Me and my friend were laughing in disbelief. Obviously was designed to be played on a controller even though 90% of that gaming population will be playing on mouse and keyboard (I give that 10% to folks in Japan who still don't understand a computer can be used to play games).

But it's obvious there's much bigger problems with that game than interface design issues. The quest system, battle design, horrible party system, unclear definitions of what stats affect what, bland level design, unintuitive combat, the fact they're making an Everquest style of game (in terms of entry level) in a post WoW world, etc. Don't mean to generalize but I definitely got the Japanese style of game development from the game. The, "We know what the user's want so just be quiet and accept it." Funny after it bombed all the core staff got fired and the first thing the new guy's said amounted to "We're listening now."

I'm not saying the "console-fication" isn't a big factor, just that it's one of many.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: noodles256 on Sat, 28 May 2011, 11:13:56
zynga making a killing
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: woody on Thu, 02 June 2011, 04:20:36
(http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/demotivational-posters-why-gabe-newell-invented-steam.jpg)
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Hydroid on Thu, 02 June 2011, 05:45:58
I think why I like PCs is because I'm still in the days of expansion packs. I really liked when devs would release 1-3 expansion packs for a single game before moving onto a new game, none of this rehashed annual release of COD and Need For Speed every single year. Generally the expansion format doesn't work out for consoles, although with the ability to install to HDD that could theoretically be possible now. Right now I only play Starcraft 2 and have no plans to buy anything else aside from the expansion pack for the game. I am really happy to play one game for several years that is being patched and refined and renewed through expansions rather than something like COD where, Black Ops was released in such a crappy state despite still being built on the same engine that they have been using for years already. I don't object to other people playing on console, but for what I'm looking for it doesn't fit. And I used to play on consoles for a long time before moving over to PCs.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: kpeezy on Thu, 02 June 2011, 08:47:58
Have fun playing that on PS3 ripster!
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: audioave10 on Thu, 02 June 2011, 10:15:35
Yes, I regret that too but I'll still always game on my PC. You have a son, so console play together will always be important.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: kpeezy on Thu, 02 June 2011, 12:36:31
(http://www.abload.de/img/7phxu.jpg)

lolconsoles
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: Lanx on Thu, 02 June 2011, 22:31:18
Quote from: ripster;354682
He despises my PS3.

PC bigot.
That doesn't make sense, he's a kid, he shouldn't have a bigotted feeling towards any gaming platform, some games are good for some platforms and some are best for others. besides doesn't the controller "rumble" when there's a clue in RDR? can't do that on pc, and that rumble is awesome, oh maybe ppl will play RDR again since True Grit is about to come out soon.
Title: (FPS) PC gaming vs console
Post by: audioave10 on Thu, 02 June 2011, 23:15:03
[video=youtube;XPpPpI5EeJU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPpPpI5EeJU&feature=related[/video]
Quote from: ripster;354682
He despises my PS3.

PC bigot.


Ha, he is smart!