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Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: FrittenFett on Wed, 01 June 2011, 03:56:39
Cooler Master just showed their new keyboard at the Computex, based on Black MX and backlit, called "Trigger".
Fancy name, fancy design, but good things inside?!

For all german-speaking:
http://videos.pcgameshardware.de/video/2488/Computex-Cooler-Master-CM-Storm-mit-erster-Gaming-Tastatur
:happy:

Features:

- Red Backlit
- BlackMX
- Handwrist
- Different Light-Modes
- Macro & Multimedia Keys
- Macro-Memory
- Mini-USB Connector
- 2x USB Hub with PSU-Connector

(http://www.abload.de/img/plugin-container2011-0osx6.png)
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(http://www.abload.de/img/plugin-container2011-0dr7v.png)
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€:
No spoiler tags?
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Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: yjhuoh on Wed, 01 June 2011, 04:17:26
looks like a razer mamba ultimate variant with blacks instead of blues.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: FrittenFett on Wed, 01 June 2011, 04:19:02
What?

Mamba = Mouse.

Razer uses snakes for mice and spiders for KBs as names.


And there's everything different as far it is possible to a MX KB - different switch, different LEDs, different design and finish, different keycaps.
Mao.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Hydroid on Wed, 01 June 2011, 04:28:32
In my honest opinion it looks seriously ugly. There was a time a few years ago when I was into all the tacky looking keyboards, but now I prefer plain/clean looks. But hey, the more of these kinds of things that come out the more ignorant people will learn about mechanical keyboards and maybe start looking for actually good keyboards.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: flaming_june on Wed, 01 June 2011, 04:32:20
It need more macro keys for some gamers.  The choice of black switches is also a poor one considering a saturated market for gaming keyboards with black switches.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: What is X? on Wed, 01 June 2011, 05:06:39
Quote from: FrittenFett;354038
What?

Mamba = Mouse.

Razer uses snakes for mice and spiders for KBs as names.


And there's everything different as far it is possible to a MX KB - different switch, different LEDs, different design and finish, different keycaps.
Mao.
How do you explain my Diamondback 3G mouse then? lol...
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: FrittenFett on Wed, 01 June 2011, 05:08:22
Well, see, it's a poor bastard.
That's all.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Wallach on Wed, 01 June 2011, 05:11:49
I would have jumped on red or brown switches to have something to draw away from Black Widow and 6Gv2/7G sales. Switches they aren't offering and that other people recommend for gaming still.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: FrittenFett on Wed, 01 June 2011, 05:14:41
This is the reason I#m not so excited about it, except the fact it is a Cooler Master Mech.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: yjhuoh on Wed, 01 June 2011, 05:15:37
doh i meant black widow :(
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Hydroid on Wed, 01 June 2011, 06:23:51
Quote from: What is X?;354048
How do you explain my Diamondback 3G mouse then? lol...


The Diamondback is a snake too. :P
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: elef on Wed, 01 June 2011, 07:39:12
Quote from: Hydroid;354070
The Diamondback is a snake too. :P

Exactly. (http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/reptiles/eastern-diamondback-rattlesnake/)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 01 June 2011, 08:12:11
the casing looks tacky. but at least they put the usb in a better place than on the right edge where it won't be in the way. it's not blue led which is also good. it does say, hey i'm a black widow clone though. same key layout, backlit, similar blocky font for the legends. just in a tackier looking casing, and a big crappy looking wrist rest.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: FrittenFett on Wed, 01 June 2011, 08:25:24
Similar font?!
Did you forget the Tron-like font of BW?!
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: FrittenFett on Wed, 01 June 2011, 08:38:55
Ripster, you just posted a picture of a _Logitech G19_ ?!
Wait, what time do you have over there?! Overfatigue?!
Do you suffer under a bad disease? Tell us, we have to give therapy to you!
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: calavera on Wed, 01 June 2011, 08:50:54
Cooler Masters make great computer cases. Why they're branching out to keyboard is beyond me.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Zet on Wed, 01 June 2011, 09:00:06
I wonder how the "gamers" face looks like when they know their macro keys, and software isn't that unique and pro, when they find out they can do the same, on any keyboard with AutoHotKey scripts :D
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: FrittenFett on Wed, 01 June 2011, 09:00:50
They already entered the gaming market with their mice, remember?!
(Sentinel, Inferno & Spawn)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Chobopants on Wed, 01 June 2011, 09:10:21
Quote from: Zet;354115
I wonder how the "gamers" face looks like when they know their macro keys, and software isn't that unique and pro, when they find out they can do the same, on any keyboard with AutoHotKey scripts :D

Yeah, I've always found macro keys to be pointless. AHK let's you do the same and much, much more without bulky keys that get key in the way and are unused most of the time. Of course I thought The G15/19 series was uncomfortable to use and unattractive. The keys feel like they're 3 inches off the desk and made out of the cheapest plastic they could find.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Carter on Wed, 01 June 2011, 16:17:59
Love the pics! Keep up the comments! We love seeing buzz about this keyboard
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: noodles256 on Wed, 01 June 2011, 16:22:14
I plan on buying the spawn when it comes available in the US.

or anywhere for that matter
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Carter on Wed, 01 June 2011, 16:27:44
Quote from: noodles256;354322
I plan on buying the spawn when it comes available in the US.

or anywhere for that matter

Will be available July 5th. Check out the cmstorm.com forums to check out how we fixed the LOD. <1.5mm
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: noodles256 on Wed, 01 June 2011, 16:29:08
I was actually reading the forums about that. One firmware fix and everyone screams happily.

Are you a cooler master rep?
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Carter on Wed, 01 June 2011, 16:33:14
Maybe ;)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: noodles256 on Wed, 01 June 2011, 16:34:09
!

wlcm 2 gh.

Hopefully you have a better reputation the Xarmor Rep.

aka The Solutor
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Carter on Wed, 01 June 2011, 16:35:28
Build quality will be the exact same as Filco.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: noodles256 on Wed, 01 June 2011, 17:21:13
always good to have a rep involved in the commmunity.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 01 June 2011, 20:10:08
if it is from the same build quality as the cm mice, it might be good. Now my cm storm is good, it's my daily rider, it does feel cheap and i did open it up (to take 10g of weight off of it) but it works. Macro software is pretty crappy tho, having used logitech/nostromo/razer cm software is the worst so if you you want this for macros, idk i wouldn't trust it for that.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Carter on Wed, 01 June 2011, 22:49:44
Quote from: Lanx;354456
if it is from the same build quality as the cm mice, it might be good. Now my cm storm is good, it's my daily rider, it does feel cheap and i did open it up (to take 10g of weight off of it) but it works. Macro software is pretty crappy tho, having used logitech/nostromo/razer cm software is the worst so if you you want this for macros, idk i wouldn't trust it for that.

I agree, we have had some interesting software sets. That is all changing. The software set for this keyboard will be flawless, and the build quality will be identical to a Filco board. Things are changing for the better on the CM Storm front, Trust me ;)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Tallon on Wed, 01 June 2011, 23:01:24
Quote from: Hydroid;354040
In my honest opinion it looks seriously ugly. There was a time a few years ago when I was into all the tacky looking keyboards, but now I prefer plain/clean looks. But hey, the more of these kinds of things that come out the more ignorant people will learn about mechanical keyboards and maybe start looking for actually good keyboards.


Who's to say this won't be a good keyboard? Everyone has different needs and wants (such as a set of macro keys and red back lit black switch keyboards). On the other hand, I doubt I'll get this keyboard. I'm far too used to my browns now to get black switches... we need more choices (besides XArmor) for brown back-lit keyboards! :)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: noodles256 on Tue, 14 June 2011, 00:43:23
quack
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: FrittenFett on Tue, 14 June 2011, 06:15:04
the Duck.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: spitfire6000 on Wed, 13 July 2011, 15:55:53
Ive been using cm storm and cooler master products for years, and they are one of if not THE best at what they do. I have a cm storm scout case most recently, and the thing is seriously made like an armored tank. After this, i could never go back to a non-premium pc tower.
(http://www.cmstorm.com/images/products/8/image_35.jpg)

That being said, I think this keyboard might be something very original and perhaps filco/leopold level quality. Everything else cm storm makes is expensive and well built, so i guess its safe to assume this keyboard will be the same level of quality control. They are NOT saying that it has a 1000mhz polling rate, so thats a good sign =)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: daerid on Wed, 13 July 2011, 16:50:28
Quote from: spitfire6000;379709
Ive been using cm storm and cooler master products for years, and they are one of if not THE best at what they do. I have a cm storm scout case most recently, and the thing is seriously made like an armored tank. After this, i could never go back to a non-premium pc tower.
Show Image
(http://www.cmstorm.com/images/products/8/image_35.jpg)


That being said, I think this keyboard might be something very original and perhaps filco/leopold level quality. Everything else cm storm makes is expensive and well built, so i guess its safe to assume this keyboard will be the same level of quality control. They are NOT saying that it has a 1000mhz polling rate, so thats a good sign =)

Agreed 100%. I rocked a CM Centurion case for 4 years, and now I have that very Scout you posted. It's quite possibly the best case I've ever owned. All of which makes me EXTREMELY interested in a CM mechanical board.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: noodles256 on Thu, 14 July 2011, 03:10:07
i just want my cm spawn
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: bah on Thu, 14 July 2011, 03:47:47
Cm Stacker 810- the best full tower case- ever.
Been rockin' this bad boy for 4 machine builds over the last 5+ years. (a7m266 - nf7-s rev 2 - an832x - Striker II Extreme)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: fifagi on Sat, 16 July 2011, 21:16:29
When can i buy thi keyboard ?
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: daerid on Sat, 16 July 2011, 21:33:05
I'd like to know, also. It's the first "mainstream" gaming keyboard with Cherries that I'd actually be interested in buying
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: greyhounds on Sat, 16 July 2011, 22:46:09
Ummmmm.....  that thing appears to be a Blackwidow Ultimate with red lights instead of blue, and black switches instead of blue.

Keycap shape and layout, font, macro keys, etc, all look identical to the BWU.

At least the case isn't shiny.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: daerid on Sat, 16 July 2011, 22:47:58
Its not. Take a look at the ctrl-alt-win cluster.

On the Razer the windows key it tiny, and control and alt are bigger than normal. On the Triggefr, they're all the same size, the way god intended.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: False_Dmitry_II on Sun, 17 July 2011, 00:24:42
Isn't Carter the guy who posted asking about boards with 12-KRO over USB? *checks* Yep, it was. That is a big company.

I won't get it because it's blacks. TBH, I probably wasn't gonna get anything else modern anyway because that's how I roll. I actually think I want springs between browns/blues and blacks/clears as far as using cherry switches are concerned anyway.

But yeah, Cooler Master is definitely one of my favorite companies for cases and whatnot.

I've got the HAF 922 case (awesome), a power supply (80-plus, of course), and the Hyper 212 Plus CPU cooler in my main computer.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: noodles256 on Sun, 17 July 2011, 00:34:40
cm trigger is suppose to have all switch types.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: greyhounds on Sun, 17 July 2011, 12:07:57
It looks really similar to me.
http://www.jeffsreviews.com/Images/comp%20hard%20apr2010-/blackwidow/razer%20blackwidow%20ultimate%20sml.gif (http://www.jeffsreviews.com/Images/comp%20hard%20apr2010-/blackwidow/razer%20blackwidow%20ultimate%20sml.gif)

Maybe someone at CM used the BWU and decided to fix it's shortfalls? I can see that they fixedsome already:
1) Case is not shiny
2) Improved Tron font - the R is now capitalized
3) Ctrl-Win-Alt key size is fixed
4) Various switches are available, not just blue
5) Software is rumored to be improved

I really like the key profile and feel on the BWU, as the edges aren't as sharp as typical Cherry keys and they sculpting is not as heavily tiered, so I don't tend to trip over keys as much. The rubberized surface feels nice too, altough it greases up a little. The CM board looks to use the same key profile as the BWU so that a big win in my book.

My biggest complaint with my BWU is the shift key stabilizers are very poor. 85g is just too much for my pinky to bear. If CM fixes that issue as well this board should be an incredible value in my opinion.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: daerid on Sun, 17 July 2011, 13:43:27
Stabilizers on the Black Widow all around are just ****. A buddy of mine has one, and he routinely pops the plastic stabilizer inserts out of his space bar. He doesn't even use it anymore because of that.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: noodles256 on Sun, 17 July 2011, 13:55:39
i like my blackwidow
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: The Solutor on Sun, 17 July 2011, 17:26:00
Quote from: daerid;382080
He doesn't even use it anymore because of that.


He should just turn on a couple of neurons an put a drop of superglue between hinge holders and the plate.

I'm not a BW lover but this is really a minor defect if compared to the filco ones.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: daerid on Sun, 17 July 2011, 18:40:04
Quote from: The Solutor;382177
He should just turn on a couple of neurons an put a drop of superglue between hinge holders and the plate.

He shouldn't even have to do that. He paid for a product and it should be reliable.

Quote
I'm not a BW lover but this is really a minor defect if compared to the filco ones.

Which defects are you referring to? (Not arguing, honestly want to know).

I'd say that any defect that renders a key on the board unusable is worse than a minor auditory or cosmetic defect if the board still is fully functional. And yes, I know he can just drop some super glue into the holes where the stabilizers go, but that would mean that he's gotta pop the keycap off. And that may seem like a minor step for you and me, but the point is he shouldn't have to. And for the vast, vast majority out there, as far as they're concerned, the board is broken.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: The Solutor on Sun, 17 July 2011, 19:09:14
Quote from: daerid;382199
He shouldn't even have to do that. He paid for a product and it should be reliable.

 

What has to do a little lose hinge with reliability ? You can consider them unpleasant but reliability is a different matter

Quote
Which defects are you referring to? (Not arguing, honestly want to know).


Just browse this forum, is plenty of people who have problems, starting from the disappearing legends, to ringing boards, to squeaking spacebars to broken keyswitches


This may be acceptable from a first price board, say a plu, not from the brand (incredibly) considered first of class.

Frankly a filco can be more eye pleasant than a BW, but a BW offers a bounch of features missing on any filco, all in all they should sold at the same price, instead filcos are sold at a double price.

There's something wrong here.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: daerid on Sun, 17 July 2011, 20:17:32
Sigh.

As has said many times before, I disagree. Not really worth getting into it any more.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: noodles256 on Sun, 17 July 2011, 20:33:51
blackwidow is also readily available. At least in U.S. for sure since they are at best buy. Other boards you have to order and wait
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: r4pture on Sun, 17 July 2011, 23:25:46
I'm mostly interested in the keycaps, what they're made of and how they're lettered.  I could be very interested in this board, but I need to know if my letters are going to turn into glowing blobs in a month.

The fact you can pick your switch is pretty awesome, I can't believe other places haven't thought of that.  Plus I love me some red lighting :D  Not the purple I desire but you can't win em all.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: The Solutor on Mon, 18 July 2011, 01:44:56
Quote from: r4pture;382382
I'm mostly interested in the keycaps, what they're made of and how they're lettered.  I could be very interested in this board, but I need to know if my letters are going to turn into glowing blobs in a month.


Be happy they aren't filcos.

Likely they are made exactly as any other good backlit keyboard already available, excluding decks, this mean die subbed lasered and coated keys.

Until now not a single user had keycaps worn on their BWU or Xarmor after even 9 months.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Mon, 18 July 2011, 22:40:05
aloha! im a fellow SHERMANN but work at the CM Storm R&D HQ in Taipei :)
Big thx to frittenfett for posting this here!
really glad to see so much feedback and discussions here, thanks a lot!
One thing that makes CM special is that people here always take feedback seriously, thats one of the reasons i started working here :)
so if you guys have any suggestions, let me know and ill pass it on!

some more infos:
- 4 versions: BlackMX BrownMX BlueMX RedMX(!)
- detachable Handwrist
- Different Light-Modes (5levels+2modes)

dont want to spill all the beans just yet, but there are some more nice features :D

Quote from: Hydroid;354040
In my honest opinion it looks seriously ugly. There was a time a few years ago when I was into all the tacky looking keyboards, but now I prefer plain/clean looks. But hey, the more of these kinds of things that come out the more ignorant people will learn about mechanical keyboards and maybe start looking for actually good keyboards.
what can i say, the design isnt really my cup of tea either... but i personally still prefer over the Razer BW and logitech Gxx stuff

Quote from: lysol;354089
it does say, hey i'm a black widow clone though. same key layout, backlit, similar blocky font for the legends. just in a tackier looking casing, and a big crappy looking wrist rest.
hmmm since several people compare it to the BW, let me continue that example:
layout: we use the standard KB layout, theres nothing razer-like about it... the only thing non standard is the macro keys, and Logitech were the first with that as far as i know
razer moved the F1-F12 keys towards the right and reduced spacing between the blocks of 4, we follow the standard layout
razer moved the F1-F12 keys closer to the main KB zone, the gap is only 8mm short, we use the standard of 14mm
razer moved the numpad zone closer to the rest of the KB, we follow the standard layout and keep a 10mm gap
razer uses the standard spacing of 10mm between the main KB zone and M1-M5 keys, we made it 12mm so people dont hit them accidentally and can rest their pinky and ring finger there a bit more comfortably after pulling the M1-M5 keycaps
razer uses a rather steep angle for a KB, we use a lower standard angle
razer moved main icons to the top left of the keys, we have them centered
razer prints secondary+ info on the keys, we dont print anything since print is invisible in backlight mode

backlid: hows that a razer clone? they werent the first to have backlid keys... cherry MX are designed to hold an LED... and we are the FIRST to use red LEDs in a cherry MX keyboard!
Font: The font is very similar to what we used in the past on our mice before razer released the BW and Tron keyboard, its a variation of the Babylon5 font i think
Tacky design: yeah not a huge fan of that either... but better than the super shiny BW imo... and i like it more than logitech too...
Wrist rest: whats so crappy about it? its rubber coated and quite comfy...
dont worry, its NOT a razer clone... besides the cherry switches we use completely different components and materials :)

Quote from: ripster;354094
Should have made it USB 3.0 and ditched the power cube.
ripster, USB3 is seriously expensive still :/
integrating a usb hub costs around 20-30$, depending on quality, and we thought its really not worth it...

Quote from: calavera;354104
Cooler Masters make great computer cases. Why they're branching out to keyboard is beyond me.
our fans asked us to... we have been a major sponsor in the pro gaming community in europe for i think a decade now, and we got a lot of feedback and requests to do more gaming related products...
first CM Storm did mice, then people said you need mousepads, then they said you a complete lineup, ie keyboard and headset, so now we are doing that too...
if your happy with other CM products, then what do you worry about? youll be getting similar quality and price/perf mice and headset and keyboards as well now... if you dont like them, no big deal... having more to choose from is never bad :D

Quote from: Zet;354115
I wonder how the "gamers" face looks like when they know their macro keys, and software isn't that unique and pro, when they find out they can do the same, on any keyboard with AutoHotKey scripts :D
yeah... i LOVE autohotkey too... :D
an advantage of trigger is that you can store your macros on the KB itself... and switch between profiles, reassign macros... management is a lot better than autohotkey...
thats what i think at least... im curious to see what you think of the driver panel when it comes out :)

Quote from: Chobopants;354121
Yeah, I've always found macro keys to be pointless. AHK let's you do the same and much, much more without bulky keys that get key in the way and are unused most of the time. Of course I thought The G15/19 series was uncomfortable to use and unattractive. The keys feel like they're 3 inches off the desk and made out of the cheapest plastic they could find.
yeah i had a G11 myself and didnt like it too much... i popped off the macro keys, and was actually against macro keys on trigger, but... oh well... :P
we do a lot of focus groups at coolermaster and invite gaming teams and media and all... and many wanted macro keys so :/
in the end you can pop them off and then its ok... :D

Quote from: ripster;354408
Better if they supply booth babes.
unfortunately we didnt have that nice babes at computex... hope itll be better at GC :D

Quote from: Lanx;354456
if it is from the same build quality as the cm mice, it might be good. Now my cm storm is good, it's my daily rider, it does feel cheap and i did open it up (to take 10g of weight off of it) but it works. Macro software is pretty crappy tho, having used logitech/nostromo/razer cm software is the worst so if you you want this for macros, idk i wouldn't trust it for that.
hmmm which one are you using?
what exactly is wrong with it?
whats wrong with the software?
send me a pm and ill forward it to the PMs :)

Quote from: spitfire6000;379709
They are NOT saying that it has a 1000mhz polling rate, so thats a good sign =)
actually we DO mention that on the packaging i think =_=

[QUOTE="daerid;379747]Agreed 100%. I rocked a CM Centurion case for 4 years, and now I have that very Scout you posted. It's quite possibly the best case I've ever owned. All of which makes me EXTREMELY interested in a CM mechanical board.[/QUOTE]yeah, i <3 scout... awesome case...

Quote from: greyhounds;381790
Ummmmm.....  that thing appears to be a Blackwidow Ultimate with red lights instead of blue, and black switches instead of blue.
Keycap shape and layout, font, macro keys, etc, all look identical to the BWU.
why do you guys keep saying this? hah :D
the only thing trigger has in common with razers BW is that they both follow KB standards and use cherry switches... which almost every gaming keyboard does...
and the ones that dont are usually the ones that blow (weird layout, huge spacebar key, smaller or bigger keycaps, different keycap spacing etc)
keycap shape is standard, i got a dozen of keyboards here and almost all of them are 100% identical, 14x12mm at the top and 18x18mm at the bottom and cylindrical surface...
hmmm macro keys DO look very similar... maybe thats what reminds everybody of razer?
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Mon, 18 July 2011, 22:48:39
Quote from: r4pture;382382
I'm mostly interested in the keycaps, what they're made of and how they're lettered.  I could be very interested in this board, but I need to know if my letters are going to turn into glowing blobs in a month.
The fact you can pick your switch is pretty awesome, I can't believe other places haven't thought of that.  Plus I love me some red lighting :D  Not the purple I desire but you can't win em all.

they're made out of a similar material as the iONE and BW, milky/diffusing plastic, and then coated in black paint.
about the light, you can paint the inside of the keycap with a blue marker, that should make the backlight purple :)
it gets a little darker, but it should be enough :D
you can probably do the same with a red market on the iONE and BW :D
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Mon, 18 July 2011, 22:50:55
Quote from: daerid;382080
Stabilizers on the Black Widow all around are just ****. A buddy of mine has one, and he routinely pops the plastic stabilizer inserts out of his space bar. He doesn't even use it anymore because of that.
mhhhh you mean metal stabilizers?
i dont like them either... they make it impossible to remove the spacebar to clean the keyboard, or at least risky as the hold down plastic parts break easily...
and they tend to squeek sometimes...
and i dont like the way they impact the actuation and recoil feeling of the key... its not as smooth anymore...
we use cherry dummy switches to balance bigger keys :)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: greyhounds on Mon, 18 July 2011, 23:02:30
battlesheep, you've convinced me. This is not a Black Widow and you've taken extra steps to try to improve on the low points of the BW and similar models.

I'm glad you're using better stabilizers than we've seen on other boards - that's what killed the BWU for me.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: The Solutor on Tue, 19 July 2011, 02:06:37
Quote from: battlesheep;383091
you can paint the inside of the keycap with a blue marker, that should make the backlight purple :)
it gets a little darker, but it should be enough :D
you can probably do the same with a red market on the iONE and BW :D

 

Ovbiously this doesen't works

You need white leds

(http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/8237/dsc0071zu.jpg)


to do something with filtering, like I did on my Xarmor

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3549/imag0337m.jpg)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: flaming_june on Tue, 19 July 2011, 03:44:19
You don't NEED any leds;  But if you prefer to have them, sure why not.

Still eagerly awaiting this and g unit.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Tue, 19 July 2011, 04:04:23
Quote from: greyhounds;383103
battlesheep, you've convinced me. This is not a Black Widow and you've taken extra steps to try to improve on the low points of the BW and similar models.
I'm glad you're using better stabilizers than we've seen on other boards - that's what killed the BWU for me.
thanks :)
i actually have to say though, after thinking for a while...
compared to other keyboards, the BWU probably IS the most similar model out there which is why some people compare Trigger to it :D
about the stabilizers... everybody has different preferences i guess... i know some people love the metal bow stuff... not sure why, but i guess if its done right, like on the ancient IBM ones, it CAN actually work really well...
the dummy switches instead are a little more expensive but you dont need any time to fine tune them, they just work... and you can remove keycaps as much as you want...

Quote from: The Solutor;383188
Ovbiously this doesen't works
You need white leds
to do something with filtering, like I did on my Xarmor
well, it DOES work with colors that are next to it on the wavelength band, i tried it on a trigger sample :D
but yeah, white LEDs are much better... i didnt know there were KBs with white backlight! thats nice!
your mod looks... xmas-y :D

Quote from: noodles256;383202
another rep for noodles to bash. this board seriously has a power cube? I really cant believe that, biggest killer
uuuhhhmm why is that... bad...? so youd rather charge your smartphone at snails-pace and not be able to connect external HDDs and Headsets etc?
How can you complain about having an extra option/feature? if you dont want it/need it, then just dont use it...? :P

btw, it features the non-official 5VDC power plug that almost any USB hub and USB powered device comes with, but it doesnt actually come bundled with a PSU.
the final added cost in MSRP on bundling a 5VDC psu would be around 10-15us$, which we thought was silly... especially considering many people might not need/want it, and those that do, probably have one already or can get one for the same price in a shop around the corner or for less on ebay :D
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: The Solutor on Tue, 19 July 2011, 04:23:32
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well, it DOES work with colors that are next to it on the wavelength band,


The problem is that most of the coloured leds are practically monochrome and with a very narrow band emission.

Usually any filtering attempt results in a reduced flux with no other effects.

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i didnt know there were KBs with white backlight!


This one has warm white backlight because I modded it, btw termaltake should launch its Meka G Unity in August, which is also backlit in white (standard white).
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thats nice!
 your mod looks... xmas-y :D


Mod is really the white leds part. The coloured one is just an experiment to differentiate lower caps, very easy to change.

BTW thanks for your appreciation :-)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Tue, 19 July 2011, 05:14:57
yeah i heard of TTs white KB, i think i saw a pic somewhere... white backlight looks NIIICEEE imo...
im surprised SS hasnt done it since it would match their kinda style... and yeah your right, most LEDs are pretty monochrome...

btw, noodle, i think you hate the power brick cause you think its mandatory right?
its not like that, you dont NEED an external PSU to use trigger... its just an add on for people who want more USB power :)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: jayfinger on Tue, 19 July 2011, 15:55:26
Quote from: battlesheep;383233
yeah i heard of TTs white KB, i think i saw a pic somewhere... white backlight looks NIIICEEE imo...
im surprised SS hasnt done it since it would match their kinda style... and yeah your right, most LEDs are pretty monochrome...

btw, noodle, i think you hate the power brick cause you think its mandatory right?
its not like that, you dont NEED an external PSU to use trigger... its just an add on for people who want more USB power :)

But the product costs some amount more because it comes with a power brick, and additional electronics inside to deal with it.  It seems silly that you even expect me to pay for that.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: alaricljs on Tue, 19 July 2011, 16:34:34
He just said that it doesn't come with the power brick and doesn't require it, and as for a USB hub costing more because it has to deal with a power port... it's ~30 cents worth of parts and PCB real estate.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: jayfinger on Tue, 19 July 2011, 19:06:14
Quote from: alaricljs;383529
He just said that it doesn't come with the power brick and doesn't require it, and as for a USB hub costing more because it has to deal with a power port... it's ~30 cents worth of parts and PCB real estate.

Oops, yeah my bad.  I didn't catch that he said the brick is "an add on".  If it really is "buy it separately" then that's cool.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: The Solutor on Tue, 19 July 2011, 19:14:14
Quote from: jayfinger;383632
Oops, yeah my bad.  I didn't catch that he said the brick is "an add on".  If it really is "buy it separately" then that's cool.


What really matter is how old is your MB and how piky are the protection on its USB ports.

On my recent Asrock, I have my Xarmor connected to the USB ports of my Qpad, and in turn I have a couple of usb devices connected to the the the last keyboard of the chain.

Both are backlit and anithyng works.

Surely on a 5 years old MB I can't do it because theu cut the power when the 500mA limit is reached (or even before). So an additional power source can be useful, but not mandatory.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Wed, 20 July 2011, 20:34:06
Quote from: alaricljs;383529
He just said that it doesn't come with the power brick and doesn't require it, and as for a USB hub costing more because it has to deal with a power port... it's ~30 cents worth of parts and PCB real estate.
might be even less than that :D
you have to use a PCB anyways for the MCU (keyboard controller), and most of them have a USB port built in...
so all you have to add in cost is some additional SMD components and then the USB connectors themselves, thats it :)

Quote from: The Solutor;383641
What really matter is how old is your MB and how piky are the protection on its USB ports.
On my recent Asrock, I have my Xarmor connected to the USB ports of my Qpad, and in turn I have a couple of usb devices connected to the the the last keyboard of the chain.
Both are backlit and anithyng works.
Surely on a 5 years old MB I can't do it because theu cut the power when the 500mA limit is reached (or even before). So an additional power source can be useful, but not mandatory.
exactly! :) gigabyte even advertises that they have 1.5-2.7A per USB port.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: flaming_june on Thu, 21 July 2011, 01:12:54
But then a lot of people didn't want to wait and bought it via amazon.co.uk instead.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Thu, 21 July 2011, 19:05:36
Quote from: battlesheep;383083
some more infos:
- 4 versions: BlackMX BrownMX BlueMX RedMX(!)
- detachable Handwrist
- Different Light-Modes (5levels+2modes)


Is there any chance at all for a version using Cherry MX Clears? Currently the only board manufacturer with clears is Deck, and they don't exactly have the whole economy of scale thing going.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 21 July 2011, 19:11:02
Quote from: Mr. Perfect;385011
Is there any chance at all for a version using Cherry MX Clears? Currently the only board manufacturer with clears is Deck, and they don't exactly have the whole economy of scale thing going.


Clears are unavailable on the Asian market, so I assume that is a request not to easy to satisfy. Btw,  happy if I'm being wrong.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Thu, 21 July 2011, 19:12:33
Damn. Quick, get some SC2 pros to use a Deck tactile!
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 21 July 2011, 19:40:13
Quote from: Mr. Perfect;385017
Damn. Quick, get some SC2 pros to use a Deck tactile!


A clear filco, in limited edition, could be even better to advertise the clear switches
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: N8N on Thu, 21 July 2011, 19:55:08
Quote from: The Solutor;385031
A clear filco, in limited edition, could be even better to advertise the clear switches

If only!  I'm about ready to build myself a damn clear filco because it just looks more squared away and professional than a Deck, and I have a serious jones to try a board with plate-mounted clears...  if only I could find one!
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 21 July 2011, 21:29:25
Quote from: N8N;385034
If only!  I'm about ready to build myself


The good  news is that in basic keyboards, even if plate mounted, you have to desolder just 208 terminals and not 416, you don't have to remove and replace the leds, and the soldering islands of the switches are large enough, so no big desoldering problems. I think is matter of one or two hour of work, depending on the skill and the equipment available, nothing like my xarmor that required 5 or 6 hour of work.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Thu, 21 July 2011, 22:28:51
Quote from: Mr. Perfect;385011
Is there any chance at all for a version using Cherry MX Clears? Currently the only board manufacturer with clears is Deck, and they don't exactly have the whole economy of scale thing going.
i thought cherry clears are a customized brown switch with stronger spring? kinda like a brown switches with black springs...
havent tried them, find it hard to believe they are worth it to have yet another KB version...

Quote from: The Solutor;385078
The good  news is that in basic keyboards, even if plate mounted, you have to desolder just 208 terminals and not 416, you don't have to remove and replace the leds, and the soldering islands of the switches are large enough, so no big desoldering problems. I think is matter of one or two hour of work, depending on the skill and the equipment available, nothing like my xarmor that required 5 or 6 hour of work.
id say depending on skill level its 1-12 hours of work depending on skill level :D
not sure how heat resistant the plastic of the switches is actually...
if it is, then a heatgun might work well?
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 21 July 2011, 22:36:19
Quote from: battlesheep;385106
uhhhhh ok...


i thought cherry clears are a customized brown switch with stronger spring?


No, it's a  more tactile switch that has also a stronger spring than both blacks and browns. And is commonly available in European boards.

The custom one is the Ergo clear switch, made with the spring from brown/blue/red switches and the clear stem. IMO by far the best cherry swich available, incredibly good for typing and
while good for gaming.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: noodles256 on Fri, 22 July 2011, 17:36:39
Kinda ridiculous that the order still went through even though people's order were changed. what was the point of the email? Don't even send it if you still are going to charge people.

CM hands down one of the worst companies I have dealt with and people thought Razer was bad lol
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Fri, 22 July 2011, 18:25:36
Quote from: battlesheep;385106
i thought cherry clears are a customized brown switch with stronger spring? kinda like a brown switches with black springs...
havent tried them, find it hard to believe they are worth it to have yet another KB version...

Nope, they're a legitimate Cherry part. You can see them in the switch wiki (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Cherry+switches+and+boards#Clear:) if you like. They are very tactile and with a high activation force, but no click. Only Deck and Cherry corp themselves offer products using them though, no one else seems to know about them.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: flaming_june on Mon, 25 July 2011, 11:46:28
So I'm about to receive my spawn.  I actually missed the fedex man by 10 minutes when I came home from playing hockey, got the fedex note.  I would love to get a trigger;  What's the eta on this board in the US?
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Bry on Mon, 25 July 2011, 11:51:28
Looks like the ugly child of a g15 and a blackwidow :/
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Mon, 25 July 2011, 21:01:20
Quote from: noodles256;385108
dont sit there and act like carter didnt do anything.

im sure he did something... im sure he did a LOT... but what exactly you are referring to i really dont know :D

Quote from: The Solutor;385109
No, it's a  more tactile switch that has also a stronger spring than both blacks and browns. And is commonly available in European boards.

The custom one is the Ergo clear switch, made with the spring from brown/blue/red switches and the clear stem. IMO by far the best cherry swich available, incredibly good for typing and
while good for gaming.
mhhhh interesting... ill ask for samples :D
thx for the headsup!

Quote from: Mr. Perfect;385602
Nope, they're a legitimate Cherry part. You can see them in the switch wiki (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Cherry+switches+and+boards#Clear:) if you like. They are very tactile and with a high activation force, but no click. Only Deck and Cherry corp themselves offer products using them though, no one else seems to know about them.
mhhh thanks! :)

Quote from: flaming_june;386804
So I'm about to receive my spawn.  I actually missed the fedex man by 10 minutes when I came home from playing hockey, got the fedex note.  I would love to get a trigger;  What's the eta on this board in the US?
still a few months away but in time for the xmas sales campaigns by etailers and retailers :D
we delayed it a bit to iron out some small things like balancing backlight, keycap coating, keyboard rubber coating..

Quote from: Bry;386805
Looks like the ugly child of a g15 and a blackwidow :/

hahaha... i guess you could call it that, yeah... :D
like i said, i dont like the design too much either, and its not gonna with a fashion contest, but its a nice KB! :D
and hey, its our firstborn, give it some slack, cmon :D
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: JackA$$ on Tue, 26 July 2011, 07:30:47
Finally i created an account. ;)
First i have to thank battlesheep (i remember a picture on facebook :P) to post here in this forum to give us informations about the Trigger. Its always nice to have the chance to talk to a man from the R&D to clear technical questions.
I reported about the Trigger in german forums and I got many questions about the different switch types, with which the Trigger will be offered.
Could you please tell me, that the Trigger will be offered with the 4 different switch types in germany too? or will there be only one switch type with german layout and the other switch types are just available with the US layout?
If there is only one switch type available with the german layout, please make the Trigger with redMX.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Findecanor on Tue, 26 July 2011, 11:06:22
Quote from: battlesheep;383083
... and we are the FIRST to use red LEDs in a cherry MX keyboard!
First, thanks for coming here and posting!
Sorry but Dech Legend Fire (http://www.deckkeyboards.com/product_info.php?products_id=53) (which has been out for some time now) already has red backlit LEDs.

Quote from: battlesheep;385106
i thought cherry clears are a customized brown switch with stronger spring? kinda like a brown switches with black springs...
havent tried them, find it hard to believe they are worth it to have yet another KB version...
Some people have described the Clears that way, but I think it is not completely accurate. Not only is the resistance higher, but the tactile bump is bigger also. The overall feel is more like a rubber dome (I'm probably getting spanked by the mech purists for saying that...), but still with mid-travel actuation. Once it has actuated it feels a bit like Cherry MX Black.
Because it has both the familiarity of the tactile bump and the linear feel, I think that it will be quite well received by gamers (and others) who are new to mechanical keyboards.
The drawback is that the large bump incurs more friction. I have not experienced it myself, but I have heard that older more worn keyboards with Clears could have a diminished tactile feel on the most-often used keys.

Some people like to mod the Clear to have a lighter coiled spring (called "Ergo Clear"), but I quite like it as it is. The tactile bump is not so much in the main spring. With the original main spring it cushions the stroke very nicely after actuation, and I find that a quite nice property when I type. The Clear switch has therefore become my favourite of all the Cherry MX switches.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Tue, 26 July 2011, 22:36:21
Quote from: JackA$$;387364
(i remember a picture on facebook :P)
hehehe yeah that was me :D best google ad ever haha
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=230652103632051&set=a.141895025841093.18089.128984287132167&type=1

Quote from: JackA$$;387364
First i have to thank battlesheep to post here in this forum to give us informations about the Trigger. Its always nice to have the chance to talk to a man from the R&D to clear technical questions.
I reported about the Trigger in german forums and I got many questions about the different switch types, with which the Trigger will be offered.
thx, and your welcome :) you dont seem to deserve your nick at all ^^
Quote from: JackA$$;387364
Could you please tell me, that the Trigger will be offered with the 4 different switch types in germany too? or will there be only one switch type with german layout and the other switch types are just available with the US layout?
If there is only one switch type available with the german layout, please make the Trigger with redMX.

I tried to convince the branches to carry all 4 switch versions, but the last i heard was that EU and US will carry a single version first, and maybe introduce more versions later if there is enough feedback asking for it.
Its not about what the branches think is right, it has a lot to do with inventory systems of our own warehouses and those of the shops we work with... having 4 versions creates a big overhead in inventory management and can cause confusion (customer ordered black but got blue...) In the end, unfortunately it boils down to shops in EU and the US (north and south) being SOOOO organized and worrying about warehouse efficiency SOOOOoOooOooOoO much, that they try to avoid carrying several versions of the same product, and some even REFUSE to carry more than one version... :/

I know that in at least some if not most other places in the world shops will carry 4 versions, or will offer to ORDER any version you want from us and then have it a few weeks later...
In the end im affraid theres nothing we can do about it, even the branch offices have their hands tied :/
It all boils down to most shops not WANTING different switch versions, and instead of diversifying their products, they actually prefer having 4 different brands of keyboards with the same switch... dont ask me why...
I recommend you to contact your favorite e-tailer or re-tailer and keep asking them, nicely, to carry keyboards with different cherry switches, or at least the one of your preference (red)

The good news is that since we work with amazon and other worldwide e-tailers, you guys might be able to order all 4 versions through one of them...
Im trying to get this worked out but like i said, we cant force them to do what we think is right... in the end they listen to YOU guys more than us...
so like i said, if you want something, keep telling them... just keep waving your hard earned cash in their face until they finally say "OOOKAAAYYY" and take it ^^

Quote from: Findecanor;387481
First, thanks for coming here and posting!
Sorry but Dech Legend Fire (http://www.deckkeyboards.com/product_info.php?products_id=53) (which has been out for some time now) already has red backlit LEDs.
oh wow, didnt know that! looks like a tank could roll over it :o kinda heavy tho...
Oh hey i wanted to ask you guys, about backlight... Trigger has close to no light between the keycaps... only the key icons themselves are illuminated.
Do you prefer this or having the space around the keycaps illuminated as well?
with only the keycaps lit up its easier to read them and more relaxing on the eyes... but you cant see the keycaps so you MIGHT not hit the keys that well?

Quote from: Findecanor;387481
Some people have described the Clears that way, but I think it is not completely accurate. Not only is the resistance higher, but the tactile bump is bigger also. The overall feel is more like a rubber dome (I'm probably getting spanked by the mech purists for saying that...), but still with mid-travel actuation. Once it has actuated it feels a bit like Cherry MX Black.
Because it has both the familiarity of the tactile bump and the linear feel, I think that it will be quite well received by gamers (and others) who are new to mechanical keyboards.
The drawback is that the large bump incurs more friction. I have not experienced it myself, but I have heard that older more worn keyboards with Clears could have a diminished tactile feel on the most-often used keys.
mhhhh interesting... thx a lot for the info! :)
i actually like browns for the same reason... its kinda what your used to from older KBs, and it just feels better to have a bumpy tactile feedback...
though the latter is def personal preference... if id be playing SC or SC2 and hit insane APMs id probably prefer blues or reds since they feel softer and blues have a stronger actuation feedback
btw, funny about that isnt it? browns n blues are about the same resistance wise, BUT blues feel softer than browns...
i asked 2 dozens of people to try it, friends n coworkers, they all said blue feels slightly to notably softer than brown... but if you take two switches and push them against each other, they move in at about the same speed...

i played around with a sample of this hybrid switch from japan, which uses capacitive tech to detect when a switch is actuated, but uses rubber and spring as well...
whats it called again? let me check... oh yeah, REALFORCE...
i thought id love it since its supposed to have the pros of mech and rubber dome combined... but it felt terrible...
cant believe its 199$ :O
feels really sluggish and my hands feel tired after only a few keystrokes... the keys depress slow and... sluggishly... nobody here likes it, our sample is just lying in the corner =_='
so... yeah, im def interested in more tactile actuation feedback (without a click) so you guys got me interested in the clears and i already ordered samples :D

Quote from: Findecanor;387481
Some people like to mod the Clear to have a lighter coiled spring (called "Ergo Clear"), but I quite like it as it is. The tactile bump is not so much in the main spring. With the original main spring it cushions the stroke very nicely after actuation, and I find that a quite nice property when I type. The Clear switch has therefore become my favourite of all the Cherry MX switches.
looking forward to test it... sounds like stronger brown switches to me and until i got a trigger (brown switches), i was using zowies celeritas with brown switches here at work and thought, if only the feedback was stronger and the keystroke termination wasnt that harsh and sudden... :D

thx for all the great info and suggestions guys!
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 27 July 2011, 02:33:53
Quote from: battlesheep;387893
i played around with a sample of this hybrid switch from japan, which uses capacitive tech to detect when a switch is actuated, but uses rubber and spring as well...
whats it called again? let me check... oh yeah, REALFORCE...
i thought id love it since its supposed to have the pros of mech and rubber dome combined... but it felt terrible...
cant believe its 199$ :O
feels really sluggish and my hands feel tired after only a few keystrokes... the keys depress slow and... sluggishly... nobody here likes it, our sample is just lying in the corner =
mind sending me that sample that your not using? Topre switches are the way to go for me!
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: flaming_june on Wed, 27 July 2011, 02:41:51
Or send it to me.  I've had many filcos and other mx switch based  keyboards.  In the end it's just a realforce and a hhkbp2 for me atm.  Topre feels better and has just as much tactile feedback for my fingers.  Plus oGsMC uses it, thus I must comply!
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 27 July 2011, 02:46:08
Quote from: flaming_june;387973
I've had many filcos and other mx switch based  keyboards.  In the end it's just a realforce and a hhkbp2 for me atm.  Topre feels better and has just as much tactile feedback for my fingers.
i cant agree more i currently have a HHKB Pro 2 and a SteelSeries 7G havent touched the 7G since i got the HHKB. i think eventually i may be in the market for a full sized realforce for gaming but it will have to have uniform switch weight.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: JackA$$ on Wed, 27 July 2011, 03:38:52
Quote from: battlesheep;387893
I tried to convince the branches to carry all 4 switch versions, but the last i heard was that EU and US will carry a single version first, and maybe introduce more versions later if there is enough feedback asking for it.
Thanks for this information. But please make this single version of the Trigger with RedMX.
Some Reasons -> BlackMX are in the Mionix Zibal60, BlueMX in the Razer Black Widow and BrownMX in the Zowie Celeritas (but without Backlight). The only MX-Type which cannot be purchased in a "cheap" way is RedMX but this is the type which is the most wanted. BlackMX has a fantastic feeling but for many users (including me) the spring is too strong.
In my opinion the problem is that too many do not like the design of the Trigger. If they want BlackMX they will buy the Zibal60, for BlueMX the Black Widow, MK-80 or U9BL and so on. If the Trigger will be offered just with BlackMX e.g. no one will accept an ugly design if there is another keyboard, which looks great and has the same switch type.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: cactux on Wed, 27 July 2011, 06:17:40
Where did you buy it Kmart?:mod:
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: daerid on Wed, 27 July 2011, 11:36:46
I agree. A "mainstream" board with Red MX switches would probably destroy here in the states. It doesn't even have to be that cheap, but the fact that it offers Reds will create it's own marketing allure, due to the fact that Reds are in such high demand and scarce supply.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: False_Dmitry_II on Wed, 27 July 2011, 11:42:55
Says the snobs on a keyboard forum. I don't know how much regular people would end up buying them. They definitely do so in general, because otherwise there wouldn't be any in stores.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: noodles256 on Wed, 27 July 2011, 11:51:40
just wait for the ducky shine.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: skyblue on Wed, 27 July 2011, 17:04:26
Though I love simplicity, this doesn't actually look all that bad. Looks better than the blackwidow at least
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: The Solutor on Wed, 27 July 2011, 17:12:17
Quote from: daerid;388149
I agree. A "mainstream" board with Red MX switches would probably destroy here in the states. It doesn't even have to be that cheap, but the fact that it offers Reds will create it's own marketing allure, due to the fact that Reds are in such high demand and scarce supply.


Most people who buy a gaming keyboard wants just a good board that provides the features they need, and aren't aware about the supposed scarcity/rarity of the mx reds.

They will buy a red board if they like the feeling.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: ashort on Wed, 27 July 2011, 17:24:41
Quote from: Hydroid;354040
In my honest opinion it looks seriously ugly. There was a time a few years ago when I was into all the tacky looking keyboards, but now I prefer plain/clean looks. But hey, the more of these kinds of things that come out the more ignorant people will learn about mechanical keyboards and maybe start looking for actually good keyboards.
My opinion: Anytime you go for the "Terminator" look, but aren't actually using a futuristic metal alloy (or you know, titanium, if that's all you got) to build your product, you come off cheap and ugly.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: daerid on Wed, 27 July 2011, 18:59:38
Quote from: The Solutor;388360
Most people who buy a gaming keyboard wants just a good board that provides the features they need, and aren't aware about the supposed scarcity/rarity of the mx reds.

They will buy a red board if they like the feeling.

Definitely. However, I still maintain that a Red switch board would do well here in the states, if for no other reason than it's a different switch than most people are used to, and if only to the niche market of mechanical keyboard lovers.

So that "do well" comes with a whole lot of conditionals, LOL
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Trueepower on Wed, 27 July 2011, 19:51:05
I think the red switch would do great here. My favorite switches are the Topre, and Red switch so far. I think that for gaming its nice to have a quiet switch, with just a moderate amount of force. The little amount of tactile feedback on the Topre (which is none to me) couples with the back stroke noise is perfect to me. I love the red switch overall for the bottoming out noise, and the little springy feel it has. Those are both good switches for everyday use.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: The Solutor on Wed, 27 July 2011, 20:11:47
Even if I'm a tactile beast, I recognize that red switches are somewhat interesting, surely better than the insipid brown ones.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Wed, 27 July 2011, 23:29:44
Quote from: TheProfosist;387972
mind sending me that sample that your not using? Topre switches are the way to go for me!
i asked, but nah, we have to keep it here "for reference" :/
Quote from: flaming_june;387973
Or send it to me.  I've had many filcos and other mx switch based  keyboards.  In the end it's just a realforce and a hhkbp2 for me atm.  Topre feels better and has just as much tactile feedback for my fingers.  Plus oGsMC uses it, thus I must comply!
really? have you guys even tried it? theres a lot of hype for some reason, but its really not good at all...
i prefer typing on cherry black than this... and i dont like blacks cause theyre so hard and tiring...

Quote from: JackA$$;387993
Thanks for this information. But please make this single version of the Trigger with RedMX.
Some Reasons -> BlackMX are in the Mionix Zibal60, BlueMX in the Razer Black Widow and BrownMX in the Zowie Celeritas (but without Backlight). The only MX-Type which cannot be purchased in a "cheap" way is RedMX but this is the type which is the most wanted. BlackMX has a fantastic feeling but for many users (including me) the spring is too strong.
In my opinion the problem is that too many do not like the design of the Trigger. If they want BlackMX they will buy the Zibal60, for BlueMX the Black Widow, MK-80 or U9BL and so on. If the Trigger will be offered just with BlackMX e.g. no one will accept an ugly design if there is another keyboard, which looks great and has the same switch type.
well, red switches cost more than all other versions, dont ask me, ask cherry why...
its a mystery to me since reds are blacks with softer springs which youd think are cheaper right? ah well... *shrug*
totally agree with you, trigger should be red and brown switches, but it looks like thats not what shops want...
several big shops think, the other mech KBs we sell are XYZ, so that shows customers want XYZ and nothing else... *rolleyes*

Quote from: skyblue;388354
Though I love simplicity, this doesn't actually look all that bad. Looks better than the blackwidow at least
thank you! :D
finally somebody who doesnt feel sick after looking at trigger :D
like i said im not a big fan of the design myself, but yeah, it does look better than the BW... my fav design wise so far is zowie... i only mean the body tho... the keycaps looks SOOOO cheap... and the Zowie logo and NUM CAP SCR look super cheap too...
but the body is great, simple... if only it wouldnt bend though... the plastic is a bit thin/soft...

the worst ive seen was the razer tron KB... has anybody used that one? :0
O M G... not surprised it never really made it into retail heh :D

Quote from: The Solutor;388460
Even if I'm a tactile beast, I recognize that red switches are somewhat interesting, surely better than the insipid brown ones.
insipid? what do you mean?
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: False_Dmitry_II on Thu, 28 July 2011, 00:35:02
It means that he hates them and or thinks they are stupid.

As far as the looks of it go, I wouldn't mind using/looking at it.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: TheProfosist on Thu, 28 July 2011, 02:04:20
Quote from: battlesheep;388548
i asked, but nah, we have to keep it here "for reference" :/
really? have you guys even tried it? theres a lot of hype for some reason, but its really not good at all...
i prefer typing on cherry black than this... and i dont like blacks cause theyre so hard and tiring...
yes i have tried both the Cherry Switches and Topre. I own a SteelSeries 7G (Cherry Blacks) and a Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional 2. Since i got the HHKB i havnt touched the 7G.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Trueepower on Thu, 28 July 2011, 02:11:09
Quote from: The Solutor;388460
Even if I'm a tactile beast, I recognize that red switches are somewhat interesting, surely better than the insipid brown ones.

 
Exactly, if I were to go quiet tactile then I would have to mod my board for ergo clears. Even though I haven't even tried browns yet.... they seem to be disappointing without stronger feedback. Clears are also another switch I haven't tried, but I can imagine they would be too stiff (plus the spring takes away from the tactility). Cherry should make ergo clears as one of their main switches. I am sure people would like them

I have seen more people overall like "lighter" switches. Ergo clears would be well liked for sure. I just like linear switches myself.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Thu, 28 July 2011, 03:56:13
oh... whats wrong with the brown switches?
they are actually my favorite ones :D
tho i have a feeling ill like the clear ones more...
maybe clear ones with softer springs from reds... cant wait to get clear samples :D

maybe there are different versions of realforce switches too? 0_o
the KB i have here with realforce switches is terrible... key depresses feel really sluggish and slow...
to me it feels 90% like a rubber dome keyboard...

typing on it is a little tiring... and it doesnt have a clear actuation feedback... the resistance just continues to grow the further you push it down, but you dont feel a bump or click like on cherry switches
to me realforce switches seem like a great replacement for rubber dome lovers...
but i prefer the faster depress clear actuation feedback of  blue/brown mechanical switches...
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 28 July 2011, 06:27:38
Quote from: battlesheep;388628
oh... whats wrong with the brown switches?


They feel just as a linear switch with some lube problems more than tactile switch, I decided to mod to ergo clears my brown board before having it on my hands, and I wasn't wrong.

Quote
to me it feels 90% like a rubber dome keyboard...


It's a rubber dome, feels like a rubber dome, like a good rubber dome.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Zehkul on Thu, 28 July 2011, 08:24:51
Quote from: battlesheep;388548
like i said im not a big fan of the design myself, but yeah, it does look better than the BW... my fav design wise so far is zowie... i only mean the body tho... the keycaps looks SOOOO cheap...

 
They don't just look cheap, they ARE cheap.

And yeah I'm not that fond of browns as well, I want tactile feedback, not that strange thingy browns got. I like clears. :P
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 28 July 2011, 08:36:10
Quote from: Zehkul;388688
They don't just look cheap, they ARE cheap.



On BW they are the same crap used on Filcos, on BWU they are good like the Xarmor/Mionix/Qpad ones, with just the idiotic font variation.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Sun, 31 July 2011, 20:45:28
Quote from: The Solutor;388665
They feel just as a linear switch with some lube problems more than tactile switch, I decided to mod to ergo clears my brown board before having it on my hands, and I wasn't wrong.
i prefer them over linear switches personally... but yeah, id love to have a stronger and maybe a little more precise feedback... still havent received clear samples :/

Quote from: The Solutor;388665
It's a rubber dome, feels like a rubber dome, like a good rubber dome.
yeah, an improved rubber dome... fits better than calling it a mechanic switch variation, true...
 
Quote from: Zehkul;388688
They don't just look cheap, they ARE cheap.
at least the printing doesnt wear off... but yeah, the weird ink they use turns yellowish brown after a while once it gets in contact with finger acid for some reason... thats the biggest complaint i have about the zowie... besides the LED backlid keys which are way bright and turn on by themselves all the time...
the minimalistic body design is great though, love it...

Quote from: Zehkul;388688
And yeah I'm not that fond of browns as well, I want tactile feedback, not that strange thingy browns got. I like clears. :P
well i only tried the 4 main cherry switches and from those, brown felt the best to me... i think ill love clears :D

hmmm hey, is there a poll on the forums about which switches they like?
im curious which ones are preferred overall...
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: alaricljs on Sun, 31 July 2011, 21:16:38
Always use google's site: to search geekhack... vB search sucks.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?6626-What-is-your-favorite-switch-%28Anonymous-Poll%29

and then the followup to it:

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?11952-What-Is-Your-Favorite-Switch-Anonymous-Poll-Round-2.

With ergo-clear being a recent popular choice... might be time for round 3.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Mon, 01 August 2011, 02:22:29
Quote from: alaricljs;390694
Always use google's site: to search geekhack... vB search sucks.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?6626-What-is-your-favorite-switch-%28Anonymous-Poll%29

and then the followup to it:

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?11952-What-Is-Your-Favorite-Switch-Anonymous-Poll-Round-2.

With ergo-clear being a recent popular choice... might be time for round 3.
yeah, i noticed that the VB search is... not as good as i remembered it to be? 0_o
thx a lot for the links! :)

Quote from: ripster;390701
Popular choice for the three or four that have completed the mod.
Meanwhile the sample size on that linked poll is 577.  Almost double the previous one.
Actually the OCN Switch poll is pretty interesting.  Somewhat similar results (http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/793977-poll-favorite-mechanical-keyboard-switch.html) with a less Vintage twist.
these polls surprised me a lot...
brown is more popular than blue!
and black doesnt have a lot of fans at all, which is so ironic cause its the most widely used switch for gaming keyboards, isnt it? hahah :D

btw, i received the switch samples i requested today! W00t! :D :D :D
some switches ive never seen or heard of before...
green and dark blue and dark grey :o
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Mon, 01 August 2011, 03:03:37
(http://img.techpowerup.org/110801/samples.png)

from strongest to weakest

clicky:
dark green - harder blue, resistance increases after actuation point which results in softer termination when pushing the key down all the way and faster depressing
Blue
dark blue - softer blue? feels about the same, and pushing a blue and dark blue against one another does the same as pushing two blues against each other. it feels notably softer after the actuation point though

bumpy:
White (Clear?) - notably harder than brown, feels more sturdy and less wobbly when being pressed down, clearer actuation force feedback, resistance increases after actuation point which results in softer termination when pushing the key down all the way and faster depressing
Brown
grey - in between brown and clear/white, stronger more pronounced actuation feedback, but wobbly like brown, and a bit sluggish release... almost feels like it gets stuck sometimes... not sure if its this sample (only got one of this color) or if its a result of the stronger actuation feedback without a strong spring like the white/clear switch

linear:
dark grey - even harder blacks (wow, who would want that? :0 for the spacebar on black boards i guess)
Black
Red
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Mon, 01 August 2011, 03:34:17
cant wait to try an ergo clear, cause clear does feel a liiiiittle stiff...
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: TheProfosist on Mon, 01 August 2011, 06:39:16
i dont remember the dark green, dark blue, grey and dark grey being mention in any of the wikis here...
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: alaricljs on Mon, 01 August 2011, 08:51:03
Where did this sample board come from?
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: False_Dmitry_II on Mon, 01 August 2011, 11:28:38
I know the green and the gray are supposed to be spacebar ones (which not all manufacturers use, sometimes they use the same as the rest of the switches on the board) for blue and clear respectively. Both should be harder than the 'regular' ones.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: r4pture on Mon, 01 August 2011, 13:24:16
I like the idea of those green switches.  I wonder what a whole keyboard of them would be like, possibly similar to buckling springs?
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Mon, 01 August 2011, 14:58:18
The Green, Light Gray and Dark Gray switches are all used in spacebars (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Cherry+switches+and+boards#Space+bar+types), but what in the world is a dark blue MX?

Quote from: r4pture;391037
I like the idea of those green switches.  I wonder what a whole keyboard of them would be like, possibly similar to buckling springs?

Hmm, sounds interesting.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: DaemonRaccoon on Mon, 01 August 2011, 14:59:47
According to Sixty over on Deskthority, they're a non-clicky blue. Link (http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1023)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Mon, 01 August 2011, 22:35:35
Quote from: r4pture;391037
I like the idea of those green switches.  I wonder what a whole keyboard of them would be like, possibly similar to buckling springs?
havent tried buckling spring switches yet... i think they probably produce a more sudden click and actuation feedback...
if you like clicky mechanical switches and dont mind the increased resistance, i def recommend you to try a green switch keyboard... if you can find one or order the switches to mod...
they should not get stuck like the blue ones sometimes do

which buckling spring keyboard should i try?
whats a good one?

Quote from: alaricljs;390868
Where did this sample board come from?
a good friend :D

Quote from: ripster;391038
Got any nickels?  Or Yuan (the old one was 6.1g but not sure about the new one)?  RipOmeter (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6189).
http://img.techpowerup.org/110801/samples.png
which one do you want me to measure :)

Quote from: DaemonRaccoon;391110
According to Sixty over on Deskthority, they're a non-clicky blue. Link (http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1023)
mhhh the ones i have are definitely clicky... like i said, until actuation its about the same as blue, but after that its notably softer (weaker spring)
i dont think its a good idea to use this switch since even blue switches get stuck sometimes as the spring is too weak to overcome the actuation bump when depressing sometimes...
so using an even weaker spring with a blue switch is asking for trouble ^^
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Mon, 01 August 2011, 22:43:49
I thought you guys might like this :D

(http://img.techpowerup.org/110801/white.png)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: r4pture on Mon, 01 August 2011, 23:39:15
Quote from: battlesheep;391365
which buckling spring keyboard should i try?
whats a good one?


As far as I'm aware most all buckling spring KBs feel very similar (with the exception of offshoots like the Model M2 and Model F), so picking up a Customizer or Spacesaver off Unicomp will do, or picking up an original IBM Model M, but depending on age and how its been taken care of it may change its feel.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: alaricljs on Tue, 02 August 2011, 08:57:34
Quote from: battlesheep;391365
a good friend :D

Ok, then would you be able to tell us what switches are available in quantity for a KB manufacturer?  It's hard enough for end users to get certain switches.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: daerid on Tue, 02 August 2011, 09:33:44
Quote from: battlesheep;391373
I thought you guys might like this :D

Show Image
(http://img.techpowerup.org/110801/white.png)

What is this that I'm looking at?
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Tue, 02 August 2011, 22:49:21
Quote from: daerid;391542
What is this that I'm looking at?

If you compare it to the picture in the first post, it looks like a Storm Trigger with no dye or paint.

I actually think it looks better!
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Tue, 02 August 2011, 23:13:16
Quote from: alaricljs;391525
Ok, then would you be able to tell us what switches are available in quantity for a KB manufacturer?  It's hard enough for end users to get certain switches.
all of the ones i received samples of are available for orders... but some of them are more expensive than others.
a KB with red or clear vs black or blue would cost around 10USD more for a 104/105 board
With additional shop margins youre looking at an increased MSRP of 15-20$ i think.
I told our guys here that we should just pass this added cost on to the customers...

Quote from: daerid;391542
What is this that I'm looking at?
a white Trigger prototype :)

Quote from: ripster;391548
I'm more interested if the green one is actually different from the standard green or just the lighting.

And I'm not sure that the dark blue is non-clicky.
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=22759&d=1287615418)


I was waiting for Sixty to confirm before putting into the Cherry Wiki.
you know that the switches on the right are fake right? :D
theyre not from cherry... we have those here as well, but they feel a bit weird... like even softer reds, but they feel less consistent/linear
theyre dirt cheap though... :o

On that picture the colors look weird as the flash is reflecting on the switches...
why are there 2 brown ones, 2 blue ones, 2 light grey ones and 2 clear ones?
One is real cherry and one is fake cherry? :D
This is a picture from china after all, and they have other fake switches on this pic...
my samples are directly from cherry in asia, so they're definitely genuine

The two blue switches actually look different from one another... the left one looks like the normal cherry mx blue, the one on the right looks like is blue-green?
the green switches i have are probably the same as the green one on this picture.

and like i said, the dark blue one i have is definitely clicky... and looks like the one on your pic, very dark blue
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: False_Dmitry_II on Wed, 03 August 2011, 01:10:20
I find it interesting that that is the case.

If you managed to get a board out with just greens or dark blues or some of the other ones, you'd have literally the only board on the market with them. That would force some sales, at least with collectors who frequent these parts.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Wed, 03 August 2011, 01:52:14
heh, yeah but how many would that be?
100 pieces maybe? :)

still, i like the idea as well, and whats important for me is, the people who would buy these boards will buy them not because its what some marketing campaign hypes, or its what all the cool kids have, but cause they KNOW their sht and appreciate it...
These guys are like the experienced members here, keyboard experts, and their support and feedback is really valuable...
i believe in karma, so if we can pull this off and get the more knowledgable KB guys a new toy to have fun with, im sure something good will come out of it for us as well.
A lot of feedback about the KB design, backlight, fonts, keycaps... :)

so we will see...im trying to get a few small batches of unique boards like this out, wish me luck :)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: mtl on Wed, 03 August 2011, 05:44:37
I'd love to get my hands on some dark blue springs for my variable force cherry mod. Are you sure those are currently being sold by Cherry? I got the impression from sixty's post they were vintage.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: The Solutor on Wed, 03 August 2011, 05:55:57
Quote from: mtl;392161
I'd love to get my hands on some dark blue springs for my variable force cherry mod. Are you sure those are currently being sold by Cherry? I got the impression from sixty's post they were vintage.


Almost all sources agreed about the yellow fakes as middleway between red and blacks, so they could be interesting too for your project.

You should get a Rapoo V7...
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: mtl on Wed, 03 August 2011, 06:52:14
Yeah good call.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: False_Dmitry_II on Wed, 03 August 2011, 13:12:13
I think you should check to see if it's possible to order ergo clears, perhaps with a new plastic color, at all straight from them. It's only a custom switch right now, but if they can do all those other ones which are super rare at the moment, then just using different springs for a batch of clears shouldn't be too hard in comparison. Or dark blue's springs, not sure which would be better to me personally, but anything lighter than they are now should be an improvement.

Quote from: mtl;392161
I'd love to get my hands on some dark blue springs for my variable force cherry mod. Are you sure those are currently being sold by Cherry? I got the impression from sixty's post they were vintage.


Just because they are an older design doesn't meant that they aren't an option. It just means that every single other company that comes out with something gets told that blues, browns and blacks are the most often used and then proceed to use those themselves.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: False_Dmitry_II on Wed, 03 August 2011, 21:59:55
How close are these to actual production?

Probably too late, but something to look at for us:
http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=22587&d=1311861100

If it's plate mounted (and I think it probably is) that would allow people to mod what's in the switches themselves if they want to without soldering and desoldering. Pic taken from a solutor post.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Fri, 05 August 2011, 02:13:50
Quote from: mtl;392161
I'd love to get my hands on some dark blue springs for my variable force cherry mod. Are you sure those are currently being sold by Cherry? I got the impression from sixty's post they were vintage.

well, they told us so... they just said the rare ones are expensive cause theyre low volume...
and theres a waiting time...

Quote from: The Solutor;392164
Almost all sources agreed about the yellow fakes as middleway between red and blacks, so they could be interesting too for your project.
You should get a Rapoo V7...
they dont feel as smooth though, and the spring isnt very linear it seems to me...

rapoo v7... cant find a place that sells it, how much is it?
i checked prices and actually those fake cherry switches arent that much cheaper...
they reduce the BOM around 10$ maybe, but the feeling isnt as nice as cherry and they are rated to only 20-30 million clicks (i know rapoo claims 50, but ive seen the datasheet, it says 30 ;))

Quote from: False_Dmitry_II;392641
How close are these to actual production?

Probably too late, but something to look at for us:
http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=22587&d=1311861100

If it's plate mounted (and I think it probably is) that would allow people to mod what's in the switches themselves if they want to without soldering and desoldering. Pic taken from a solutor post.

mhhh dont get it, whats this about?

btw, i just heard that ALPS is stopping their switch line?
they arent making enough money?
not surprised, they arent that much cheaper than cherry switches but dont feel that nice, wiggle a lot...
the chinese fake cherries cost less and feel better :D
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Fri, 05 August 2011, 02:27:17
came across this today... have you guys ever seen this? ^^
its not fake! :D
(http://img.techpowerup.org/110805/wtf.png)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: False_Dmitry_II on Fri, 05 August 2011, 02:33:11
Quote from: battlesheep;393401

they dont feel as smooth though, and the spring isnt very linear it seems to me...

rapoo v7... cant find a place that sells it, how much is it?
i checked prices and actually those fake cherry switches arent that much cheaper...
they reduce the BOM around 10$ maybe, but the feeling isnt as nice as cherry and they are rated to only 20-30 million clicks (i know rapoo claims 50, but ive seen the datasheet, it says 30 ;))


The guy who was originally asking just wanted the springs. It doesn't matter how terrible or not the switch itself is in the slightest.


Similarly, what I just linked shows what the hole in a plate for a plate mounted board would have to be so that people can get it and change what the switches one their board use. It allows you to get at what lets you to physically take apart the switch itself and change what is in it (spring and/or stem).



Also, that last thing just makes you a cherry guy. There are plenty of people who think cherry switches feel like crap.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: foliolio on Fri, 05 August 2011, 02:33:32
Love the turbo-key and 4 enters. When I want to enter things, I want to do it, like, mui rapido!
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Fri, 05 August 2011, 02:58:48
Quote from: False_Dmitry_II;393405
The guy who was originally asking just wanted the springs. It doesn't matter how terrible or not the switch itself is in the slightest.
well, to me the spring didnt feel good... i wouldnt recommend it...

Quote from: False_Dmitry_II;393405
Similarly, what I just linked shows what the hole in a plate for a plate mounted board would have to be so that people can get it and change what the switches one their board use. It allows you to get at what lets you to physically take apart the switch itself and change what is in it (spring and/or stem).
mhhh i see... youd need a special hook tool... i wouldnt call it EASY heheh... but yeah that would be great to open the switch without unsoldering it from the pcb!
do you mind if i ask our engineers to add this? in case they do it, your not gonna sue us or anything, right? ^^

Quote from: False_Dmitry_II;393405
Also, that last thing just makes you a cherry guy. There are plenty of people who think cherry switches feel like crap.

heh... well i havent tried buckling springs yet, i have a feeling i might like those the most...
but so far, white/clear cherry switches are the best i tried...
i actually like scissor switches as well btw... some at least...

but yeah, i guess im a cherry guy... :D
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Fri, 05 August 2011, 03:04:41
Quote from: foliolio;393406
Love the turbo-key and 4 enters. When I want to enter things, I want to do it, like, mui rapido!
yeah the turbo button is epic, wonder what exactly it does :D
imagine you could program it to enable/disable CPU turbos on the newer amd/intel cpus with this, hah! :D
I think my mom would freak out with this keyboard... she wouldnt know WHICH enter key to hit and think hitting the wrong one will blow up the PC or make it delete all important files ^^
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Fri, 05 August 2011, 05:07:33
(http://img.techpowerup.org/110805/yellow.png)

got a sample board with yellow switches :D
i like the color! its funny to see a yellow "cherry" switch haha
unfortunately it doesnt feel that nice, like i said...
ill get more samples from this vendor later, they apparently have everything cherry has, just cheaper... and feeling a little cheaper...
ill post details once i get them!
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Lanx on Fri, 05 August 2011, 07:39:57
Quote from: battlesheep;383083
hmmm which one are you using?
what exactly is wrong with it?
whats wrong with the software?
send me a pm and ill forward it to the PMs :)
i'm using the cm inferno, the software is junky, everytime i bootup the software it recalibrates my mouse, so i loose my settings, currently there's no way to turn this off, so what happens? i never turn on the software, so it's useless.
the mouse software is all buggy and is a chore to make macro's with.

i'd actually would junk this mouse if i didn't mod it to be awesome
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/831/cmstormmodded.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/cmstormmodded.jpg/)
*edit
oh and only 2 of the 5 modes work, but that may have been my fault since i've modded it.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: False_Dmitry_II on Fri, 05 August 2011, 18:52:52
Quote from: battlesheep;393418

mhhh i see... youd need a special hook tool... i wouldnt call it EASY heheh... but yeah that would be great to open the switch without unsoldering it from the pcb!
do you mind if i ask our engineers to add this? in case they do it, your not gonna sue us or anything, right? ^^


I didn't do up that picture. So I'd also tell them what it's for so they can make the holes a good size. I don't know who did do up the picture, but I don't mind if it's done at all. If it was this would also be the first one that would allow that to be done. I think I would say that I'd prefer legally if any company could do it. Sort of an open source-ish idea, if you get what I mean.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: N8N on Fri, 05 August 2011, 22:14:56
Quote from: battlesheep;393418
mhhh i see... youd need a special hook tool... i wouldnt call it EASY heheh... but yeah that would be great to open the switch without unsoldering it from the pcb!
do you mind if i ask our engineers to add this? in case they do it, your not gonna sue us or anything, right? ^^

When I pop the top on a Cherry switch, I use two jeweler's screwdrivers... if you look at the top of the switch, there's a little rectangular hole in each of the four corners.  If you stick a screwdriver with about a 2mm blade in one of those holes and pry, it'll release the two latches on that side.  then take the other screwdriver and jam it under the top so it doesn't pop back down, go to the other side and pop those two latches.  Harder to type out than it is to do, but it only works w/ PCB mounts because the plate prevents the latches from unlatching.  If you put those notches in the plate I think that that method would likely work.

If you wanted to be real slick you could probably make a little fork shaped tool precisely shaped and spaced to make the process slightly quicker.  Or even something like snap ring pliers with two forks, to pop all four latches at once.  The last might be more idiot proof because then you wouldn't put any bending stress on the solder joint if you got all ham-handed with it.  Or if you had two snap ring pliers with tips about the right size that might work too, haven't tried that (yet.  Just got that idea as I was typing this post.)

I'm sitting here behind a board w/ plate mounted Cherries and a spaghetti sauce jar full of clear stems and springs, just waiting for my new soldering iron to show up :P  Might have to go retrieve my Dremel and try the plate mod just to see if it'll work.  I don't know if I have the patience to Dremel out four little reliefs in each of 104 cutouts though... but if the plate is stamped or laser cut in production, no biggie.

Of course, if I modded my plate I'd have to repaint it, giving me the opportunity to do paint it Safety Orange, or something like that.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: JackA$$ on Fri, 19 August 2011, 16:40:25
Hey Ho,
Some news from the Gamescom 2011. Finally in Germany the CM Storm Trigger will be released next month for 100-120 EUR.
Cherry MXBlack will be used for the main-keys and Cherry MXRed for the macro-keys.
Click me for more Info (http://www.tech-review.de/include.php?path=content/news.php&contentid=12593)
I do not know if i should believe him, he says that the BlackMX are having a tactile feedback and the RedMX should be Clicky... wtf?

Could battlesheep enlighten us?
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Carter on Fri, 19 August 2011, 17:06:11
We are working on it boys.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: DeltaGunner on Sat, 20 August 2011, 05:54:44
I heard from a contact of mine at CM Storm that the Trigger is pushed back to 2012.

Also I guess it would be more likely to assume that there will be 4 'full' versions ie. one full blue, one full brown, one full black and one full red.
This of course is just what I would expect.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: kaiserreich on Sat, 20 August 2011, 07:14:44
Just came across this, a Tenkeyless CM Mech keyboard with detachable cable.
(http://i.imgur.com/QKUEK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/XkL9w.jpg)
source: http://www.pcwaishe.cn/thread-188760-1-1.html
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: DeltaGunner on Sun, 21 August 2011, 03:09:03
Wow that tenkeyless looks really nice, and its much cleaner looking than the full size keyboard with all the case details. This just has a **** load of CM Storm logos which isnt even bad.
Detachable cable is something I never had so I dont know how much of an improvement it will be.

Still hope this one has backlight. but looking at f9-12 cluster it certainly looks like it.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: False_Dmitry_II on Sun, 21 August 2011, 12:05:16
If you use it in more than one place, just get cables that can sit there. If it gets destroyed, just get a new cable instead of soldering it back together. I really would prefer it if most keyboard cables were like that.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: PeeJeff on Mon, 29 August 2011, 18:59:14
Macros are useless TBH, they're just a gimmick to sell more... heck, they're illegal in all the sc2 tournaments I go, why would I bother using them... I'd rather have backlit and a usb/hub.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: flaming_june on Mon, 29 August 2011, 23:49:10
There are other instances where macro keys work wonders.  Hence I'm looking forward to the ttesports G unit, with 12 keys (even 2-2-2 per column).  It works well with SC2 where you don't have to reach all the way to the right for 5-0 keys.  Even one of those keys can be bound to pop two or three types of potions simultaneously in games like Diablo 2, or mmorpgs.  Just because macros are not allowed in tournies, doesn't mean you couldn't use them for single keys, or use macros at home for other games.

Unfortunately it took CM too long.  I bought a BWU to hold me over til esports releases their Meka G unit keyboard.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: JackA$$ on Tue, 30 August 2011, 15:09:48
Now it happened...
Razer will release a new Black Widow Ultimate.
MXBrown, no glossy and 6KRO. There is no reason for me to buy a Trigger anymore.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: noodles256 on Tue, 30 August 2011, 15:38:26
will it ping?
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: The Solutor on Tue, 30 August 2011, 15:46:44
Quote from: JackA$$;407608
There is no reason for me to buy a Trigger anymore.


:lol:
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Chobopants on Tue, 30 August 2011, 15:51:28
Quote from: JackA$$;407608
Now it happened...
Razer will release a new Black Widow Ultimate.
MXBrown, no glossy and 6KRO. There is no reason for me to buy a Trigger anymore.

O_O The Storm still looks more attractive to me. Not into BWUs.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Tallon on Wed, 31 August 2011, 23:14:11
Quote from: False_Dmitry_II;393884
I didn't do up that picture. So I'd also tell them what it's for so they can make the holes a good size. I don't know who did do up the picture, but I don't mind if it's done at all. If it was this would also be the first one that would allow that to be done. I think I would say that I'd prefer legally if any company could do it. Sort of an open source-ish idea, if you get what I mean.


I really wish they had implemented this - I would have purchased two keyboards and done some modding. Oh well. Looks like it'll be red, black, blue, and brown - no clears. ;(
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Thu, 01 September 2011, 05:57:16
Quote from: Lanx;393468
i'm using the cm inferno, the software is junky, everytime i bootup the software it recalibrates my mouse, so i loose my settings, currently there's no way to turn this off, so what happens? i never turn on the software, so it's useless.
the mouse software is all buggy and is a chore to make macro's with.

i'd actually would junk this mouse if i didn't mod it to be awesome
Show Image
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/831/cmstormmodded.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/cmstormmodded.jpg/)

*edit
oh and only 2 of the 5 modes work, but that may have been my fault since i've modded it.

ha, awesome! :D love the mod :D
tell you what, once i worked my way through everything that piled up while i was in europe, ill check out the inferno driver and do my best to get it worked out in case i can reproduce your probs, alright? :)
its from before my days tho, havent played much with inferno at all tbh...

Quote from: False_Dmitry_II;393884
I didn't do up that picture. So I'd also tell them what it's for so they can make the holes a good size. I don't know who did do up the picture, but I don't mind if it's done at all. If it was this would also be the first one that would allow that to be done. I think I would say that I'd prefer legally if any company could do it. Sort of an open source-ish idea, if you get what I mean.
i dont think wed sue anybody over this... especially if we didnt come up with it... just worried we do it and then somebody sues US... especially since this will only be interesting to a very small percentage of users after all...

Quote from: N8N;393994
When I pop the top on a Cherry switch, I use two jeweler's screwdrivers... if you look at the top of the switch, there's a little rectangular hole in each of the four corners.  If you stick a screwdriver with about a 2mm blade in one of those holes and pry, it'll release the two latches on that side.  then take the other screwdriver and jam it under the top so it doesn't pop back down, go to the other side and pop those two latches.  Harder to type out than it is to do, but it only works w/ PCB mounts because the plate prevents the latches from unlatching.  If you put those notches in the plate I think that that method would likely work.

If you wanted to be real slick you could probably make a little fork shaped tool precisely shaped and spaced to make the process slightly quicker.  Or even something like snap ring pliers with two forks, to pop all four latches at once.  The last might be more idiot proof because then you wouldn't put any bending stress on the solder joint if you got all ham-handed with it.  Or if you had two snap ring pliers with tips about the right size that might work too, haven't tried that (yet.  Just got that idea as I was typing this post.)

I'm sitting here behind a board w/ plate mounted Cherries and a spaghetti sauce jar full of clear stems and springs, just waiting for my new soldering iron to show up :P  Might have to go retrieve my Dremel and try the plate mod just to see if it'll work.  I don't know if I have the patience to Dremel out four little reliefs in each of 104 cutouts though... but if the plate is stamped or laser cut in production, no biggie.

Of course, if I modded my plate I'd have to repaint it, giving me the opportunity to do paint it Safety Orange, or something like that.
cool! if it does work, let me know!
our PMs here werent really blown away by the idea, but id like to push for it since itll make our keyboards very geekfriendly at 0 added cost :D

Quote from: JackA$$;401882
Hey Ho,
Some news from the Gamescom 2011. Finally in Germany the CM Storm Trigger will be released next month for 100-120 EUR.
Cherry MXBlack will be used for the main-keys and Cherry MXRed for the macro-keys.
Click me for more Info (http://www.tech-review.de/include.php?path=content/news.php&contentid=12593)
I do not know if i should believe him, he says that the BlackMX are having a tactile feedback and the RedMX should be Clicky... wtf?

Could battlesheep enlighten us?
and i thought I was camera shy and start talking gibberish :D
I think rene was a little nervous and mixed some things up :)
to clarify, the EU version is gonna be all black

Quote from: DeltaGunner;402139
I heard from a contact of mine at CM Storm that the Trigger is pushed back to 2012.

Also I guess it would be more likely to assume that there will be 4 'full' versions ie. one full blue, one full brown, one full black and one full red.
This of course is just what I would expect.

would be new to me...
but yes, itll be all black, all red etc...

Quote from: kaiserreich;402151
Just came across this, a Tenkeyless CM Mech keyboard with detachable cable.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/QKUEK.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/XkL9w.jpg)

source: http://www.pcwaishe.cn/thread-188760-1-1.html
youre from malaysia but have a german nickname and posted on a chinese website? a fellow geek-vagabound? :D
let me know when youre in taipei, maybe we can meet up :)

its nice eh? for me a tenkeyless is actually interesting, oddly enough at i43 nobody liked it too much...
a lot of people said they use the numpad area in games... weird...

Quote from: DeltaGunner;402576
Wow that tenkeyless looks really nice, and its much cleaner looking than the full size keyboard with all the case details. This just has a **** load of CM Storm logos which isnt even bad.
Detachable cable is something I never had so I dont know how much of an improvement it will be.

Still hope this one has backlight. but looking at f9-12 cluster it certainly looks like it.
yepp, love the slick design!
i wish trigger couldve had a more slick shape like this one... :(

about the cable, its quite convenient... you can unplug the keyboard real fast and plug it back in again... if you want to clean your desk for example
and i use the same for my mp3 player, so i got a cable like this on my desk all the time and can plug the KB in and out quickly...
but if you dont move it a lot, it wont make a difference...
Quote from: False_Dmitry_II;402689
If you use it in more than one place, just get cables that can sit there. If it gets destroyed, just get a new cable instead of soldering it back together. I really would prefer it if most keyboard cables were like that.
exactly...

Quote from: PeeJeff;407100
Macros are useless TBH, they're just a gimmick to sell more... heck, they're illegal in all the sc2 tournaments I go, why would I bother using them... I'd rather have backlit and a usb/hub.
depends on what youre doing...
for most people, i agree though...
honestly i dont get why macros are banned in sc2 though... its not like it would be a bot match then... not at all...
a macro can only do so much, it will always only be able to do so much, what it really does is help the player to spend less time doing stupid repetitive tasks and work out some real strategy and macro task the units etc...
but i guess im representing a minority here... :P

Quote from: flaming_june;407207
There are other instances where macro keys work wonders.  Hence I'm looking forward to the ttesports G unit, with 12 keys (even 2-2-2 per column).  It works well with SC2 where you don't have to reach all the way to the right for 5-0 keys.  Even one of those keys can be bound to pop two or three types of potions simultaneously in games like Diablo 2, or mmorpgs.  Just because macros are not allowed in tournies, doesn't mean you couldn't use them for single keys, or use macros at home for other games.

Unfortunately it took CM too long.  I bought a BWU to hold me over til esports releases their Meka G unit keyboard.

just out of curiousty, why do you like the G unit?

Quote from: JackA$$;407608
Now it happened...
Razer will release a new Black Widow Ultimate.
MXBrown, no glossy and 6KRO. There is no reason for me to buy a Trigger anymore.
really? wow!

Quote from: ripster;407887
These are supposedly 50g.
Have any Yuan or USA Nickels?  RipOmeter. (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6189)

mhhh pretty busy now, ill try to remember doing it when i got some more time k?


btw, video about both keyboards at i43, cheers to the guys from OC3D!
was a blast hanging out with them :D
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?21446-Has-anyone-been-watching-the-new-CMStorm-keyboards-Interesting-interview-from-i43
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Thu, 01 September 2011, 05:58:04
Quote from: Tallon;408504
I really wish they had implemented this - I would have purchased two keyboards and done some modding. Oh well. Looks like it'll be red, black, blue, and brown - no clears. ;(

its not like these two are our last and only keyboards ;)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: slueth on Thu, 01 September 2011, 06:53:13
@battlesheep: buckling springs are awesome and if CM makes a modern looking board with it you can have all my money(not much).  Maybe CM could get into touch with Unicomp and they make a deal so that we can finally not have an ugly buckling spring board. Win/Win for both companies. I know a bunch of users would love a modern tenkeyless buckling spring board.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: zulios on Thu, 01 September 2011, 07:42:45
Quote from: battlesheep;390811
cant wait to try an ergo clear, cause clear does feel a liiiiittle stiff...


Hi,

Just wondering : do you feel clears to be stiffer than blacks ?
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: False_Dmitry_II on Thu, 01 September 2011, 21:47:24
Quote from: slueth;408654
@battlesheep: buckling springs are awesome and if CM makes a modern looking board with it you can have all my money(not much).  Maybe CM could get into touch with Unicomp and they make a deal so that we can finally not have an ugly buckling spring board. Win/Win for both companies. I know a bunch of users would love a modern tenkeyless buckling spring board.


I dunno about tenkeyless, but I would say that would be a very interesting board.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Tallon on Thu, 01 September 2011, 23:41:06
Quote from: battlesheep;408639
its not like these two are our last and only keyboards ;)


Good :)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Mon, 05 September 2011, 02:08:25
Quote from: zulios;408664
Hi,
Just wondering : do you feel clears to be stiffer than blacks ?
yeah, its probably cause of the bump...
same with blues and reds, they use the same spring as far as i can tell, but blue feels harder cause of the click which adds extra pressure and momentum you have to overcome...

Quote from: slueth;408654
@battlesheep: buckling springs are awesome and if CM makes a modern looking board with it you can have all my money(not much).  Maybe CM could get into touch with Unicomp and they make a deal so that we can finally not have an ugly buckling spring board. Win/Win for both companies. I know a bunch of users would love a modern tenkeyless buckling spring board.
you shouldnt have mentioned you dont have a lot of money :D
but yeah, i already ordered a sample and cant wait to play with it :)

btw, got a new toy today, a black/grey cherry switch, has anybody ever seen one of those?
the top is grey, the bottom is black, the switch stem is black too
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: The Solutor on Mon, 05 September 2011, 03:02:58
Quote from: battlesheep;410775
yeah, its probably cause of the bump...
same with blues and reds, they use the same spring as far as i can tell, but blue feels harder cause of the click which adds extra pressure and momentum you have to overcome...


Clear and black are different the clear spring is softer at the start and stiffer at the bottom of the keystroke and viceversa.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: DeltaGunner on Mon, 05 September 2011, 05:08:24
Quote from: battlesheep;410775

btw, got a new toy today, a black/grey cherry switch, has anybody ever seen one of those?
the top is grey, the bottom is black, the switch stem is black too


Isn't that one of those tumbling switches. Press first time and it stays, press it again to reset back.

Too lazy to look in the wikia so just my guess.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Mon, 05 September 2011, 23:52:38
Quote from: The Solutor;410788
Clear and black are different the clear spring is softer at the start and stiffer at the bottom of the keystroke and viceversa.

oh really... i thought cherry only uses 4 or so different types of springs and thats that... interesting!

Quote from: DeltaGunner;410811
Isn't that one of those tumbling switches. Press first time and it stays, press it again to reset back.
Too lazy to look in the wikia so just my guess.

yeah, youre right, its an on-off switch... could be useful for LED backlight or other stuff like that i guess... :)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Tue, 06 September 2011, 00:04:37
mhhhh i measured the pressure of the different switches with piles of YUAN and posted it here a few weeks ago... but the post has been removed? 0_o
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: slueth on Tue, 06 September 2011, 00:07:37
hmm shouldn't be removed
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: shogrran on Wed, 26 October 2011, 09:59:44
Does this come in MX Blue or MX Brown?
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: dorkvader on Wed, 26 October 2011, 17:27:31
Quote from: shogrran;439721
Does this come in MX Blue or MX Brown?
Yep. It'll have a gunmetal grey case colour, and (I believe) a black plate. The one in MX red has a black case, a red plate, and chinese on the keycaps.

It also comes in black, I believe.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: slueth on Fri, 28 October 2011, 19:48:58
Whats with that ugly little ridge at the top of the keyboard lol.  If it doesn't do anything just remove it or make it flat.
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: battlesheep on Fri, 27 April 2012, 05:51:17
hah... wow, its been a loooong time... trigger is finally out :D
any comments? has anybody given it a try yet? :)
Title: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Stn on Sat, 12 May 2012, 03:32:14
Quote from: battlesheep;583732
hah... wow, its been a loooong time... trigger is finally out :D
any comments? has anybody given it a try yet? :)
When is the US/Canada release? Which switches will be available right away?
Title: Re: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: JackA$$ on Wed, 01 August 2012, 02:13:17
CM Storm, CM Storm, CM Storm... i don't know if I should laugh or if I should cry. The Trigger was my favorite mecha, but the MX Black switches killed it for me (already have 3 keyboards with MX Blacks and the market is full of MX Blacks).
Why did you not listen to me and released the Trigger as the first mechanical keyboard with MX Red switches and non US-layout? So many gamer would have bought it.
Today almost all manufacturers/suppliers offers a mechanical keyboard with MX Red switches and the people are happy.
Till now I don't understand the decision why CM Storm build in MX Blacks in the Trigger while so many other mechanical keyboards uses the same type of switches and the market was overcrowded with this type of keyboard..
Title: Re: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: rudyzhou2 on Fri, 03 August 2012, 13:17:36
need to get rid of that logo... mannn
Title: Re: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: -36- on Thu, 16 August 2012, 13:59:09
Does anyone know if it's an Ione of Costar keyboard? I'm reading lots of confusing stuff on the internet (50% says Ione , 50% says Costar)
Title: Re: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Daniel Beardsmore on Thu, 16 August 2012, 15:44:43
You don't need a new keyboard – you need typing lessons!
Title: Re: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Carter on Thu, 16 August 2012, 16:33:57
Does anyone know if it's an Ione of Costar keyboard? I'm reading lots of confusing stuff on the internet (50% says Ione , 50% says Costar)

Costar

-CM Rep
Title: Re: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: lazerpointer on Mon, 24 September 2012, 17:46:32
Quick question (and first post on Geekhack!)


First of all I have the trigger :cool: I got it a week ago to test out the Brown switches, which I am pretty satisfied with... I'm beginning to acclimate. My question is; Does anybody know how easy it will be to change out the key switches? Specifically will I have to solder?


Getting a Ducky Shine 2 delivered to the office this week with MX Reds (Wow i never thought i would be so excited about a keyboard!) because I still haven't tried the reds yet. My thoughts are that I will like the reds a lot more, and want reds in my CM Storm Trigger. I know the ducky is switch-change-friendly so if i end up liking the browns better, I can just throw browns into my ducky.
Title: Re: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: alaricljs on Mon, 24 September 2012, 17:49:59
Wait WHAT?  Since when is the Ducky switch change friendly?  Especially with LEDs!!

Both boards are plate mount, both boards require desoldering to change out the switch or stem/spring.  The Ducky has twice as many leads to desolder since all the LEDs have to come out too.
Title: Re: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: lazerpointer on Mon, 24 September 2012, 18:02:15
thanks.... I guess I'll just have to sell the board if i REALLY refuse to go back to browns. or learn how to solder  :))
Title: Re: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: HKD on Tue, 25 September 2012, 14:12:16
I recently purchased a CM Storm Trigger from ncix.com for $80, which I believe is quite the deal. The only alternatives I was looking at in my price range ($70-80) were the Black Widow and Quick Fire Pro. I definitely liked the design for the quick fire pro a lot more, but then I saw the storm trigger, and instantly fell in love with how it looked. From the reviews I researched, it seemed like the storm trigger was a "better" quick fire pro, and once I saw that I could get the storm trigger for around the same price, I seized the opportunity quickly.

I should be getting it in the mail tomorrow, and then I can judge for myself how I like it. This is also going to be first mech keyboard ever, and from what I've heard, I'm going to love it.

On a side note... does anyone use custom keys + a back lit keyboard? I want to add some custom keys to my board (red QWER and some other keys) and I was wondering if anyone has seen how a storm trigger, or any other back lit keyboard looks with custom keys.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: wetto on Tue, 28 May 2013, 18:24:45
Ressurecting a damn old thread, but for a good reason. There are almost NO pictures of this keyboard dissasembled or any disassembly tutorial on the internet. Anyways, here's mine:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img153/1371/dsc03672he.jpg)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img836/3387/dsc03673w.jpg)

Comparison between the external cover of the CM Storm Trigger against a Metadot Das Keyboard Model S Professional Silent.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img708/9163/dsc03646w.jpg)

Actually, the external cover of the Das Keyboard is a piece of crap. Just by trying to open it up, I broke 6 out of the 8 ****ty locks there were on it. The CM Storm Trigger is indeed built like a tank.

Now, what most people were waiting for...

(http://imageshack.us/a/img811/6683/dsc03649l.jpg)

And the controller (which got damaged due to a problem on the external power supply I was using, but somehow I managed to get someone to fix it and it's working):

(http://imageshack.us/a/img59/6254/dsc03630ep.jpg)

Comparison between WASD white keycap vs Das Keyboard Model S Professional Silent keycap vs CM Storm Trigger Keycap (they're all Costar keycaps anyway)

(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5682/dsc02311y.jpg)

Finally, a photo showing its rear (which is damn well made)

(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2015/dsc02293n.jpg)

Rubber feet:

(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2473/dsc02298eg.jpg)

And the thing I hated the most on it: The connectors for its wrist rest, they're WAY too fragile.

(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5277/dsc02308u.jpg)
Title: Re: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 28 May 2013, 22:59:34
Great work, thanks!! Could you also post a photo of the keyboard's back side with screw locations circled + any notes / tips on disassembly? 

The wrist rest is surprisingly comfy despite being plastic.  I ended up detaching mine and just keeping it as close to the keyboard but to locked in, so I could move it out of the way periodically.
Title: Re: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: wetto on Wed, 29 May 2013, 07:27:29
Disassembling the CM Storm Trigger is easy as pie. First of all, there's 5 screws hidden under it and a few plastic locks (but you won't have to worry about them since they come off easily).

(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/526/semttulogg.jpg)

Flip up the heigh adjustment and remove the screws on each side. Remove the warranty seal on the middle of it and its screw. Now, using your nails, remove the two rubber feet on each side of the top of the keyboard (not the one on the middle) and remove its screws.

Now, here comes the easiest part (seriously, the CM Storm Trigger is 100x easier to open up than a Das Keyboard or a CM Quick Fire Rapid).

Using only your hands, start gently pulling the cover off, but try not to remove only one side of the keyboard. It's easy, just be gentle and it'll come off easily.
Title: Re: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: Jokrik on Sun, 15 September 2013, 19:49:49
Thx for the guide wetto
Im gonna repaint the case is weekend!
Title: Re: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: cspirou on Mon, 10 June 2019, 08:20:58
Thanks for the teardown. I have this keyboard from 2013 and the 'T' switch is having some problems. It only works if I force it bit so it looks I'll need to open it up or replace it.

One question for @wetto (or anyone else that has opened this up), do you know what kind of microcontroler chip it uses?
Title: Re: Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger
Post by: cspirou on Tue, 18 June 2019, 02:15:38
Disassembling the CM Storm Trigger is easy as pie. First of all, there's 5 screws hidden under it and a few plastic locks (but you won't have to worry about them since they come off easily).

Show Image
(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/526/semttulogg.jpg)


Flip up the heigh adjustment and remove the screws on each side. Remove the warranty seal on the middle of it and its screw. Now, using your nails, remove the two rubber feet on each side of the top of the keyboard (not the one on the middle) and remove its screws.

Now, here comes the easiest part (seriously, the CM Storm Trigger is 100x easier to open up than a Das Keyboard or a CM Quick Fire Rapid).

Using only your hands, start gently pulling the cover off, but try not to remove only one side of the keyboard. It's easy, just be gentle and it'll come off easily.

I'm disassembling my Trigger right now and you made a mistake with this diagram. It's the pads at the bottom that are covering the screws, not the ones near the height adjustment feet.

I added some close up pics on the control board