NO MORE RINGING!!
This btw reduces your chance of a successful RMA considerably.
Installation foams based on alpha-technology don't stain the skin and can easily be rubbed off again. It is recommended that gloves be worn, but it is not strictly necessary.
Headsets + 100% volume = what ringing?
after seeing the pictures, I am foaming at my mouth! Maybe my foam could do the job as well?
I used this same product last week to fill in a gap I had above one of my doors and it was a total mess, . I underestimated how much this **** expands. The only way I see removing this crap after it has cured is through sanding. I should have warned you about that when I read your first post about going to try it out.
You first.
Ripster, it's your turn to try resoldering next. Science advances through experimentation and verification by independent parties.
You can't fix a problem when you don't have it.
engrish?
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Updated with final pics.
You can't fix a problem when you don't have it.
It amazes me Geekhack is the only keyboard forum that notices it.
Can I have the old keys for chemical tests.
I also abuse my keyboards but luckily Child Protective Services hasn't been to my house lately.
Nice decent keycaps and no more ring.
You catched two birds with one stone (or two piccions with one bean, which is the Italian version of the sentence)...
So I was at my local Lowe's home improvement store and ran across this stuff...
In Germany it is: "two flies with one flap"
I guess the holes, where the stuff reached the key caps functioned as blow-off valve
In Germany it is: "two flies with one flap"
In French it is "One stone, two hits"
Thanks for the compliment.
For a while there I was thinking you didn't like me.
FYI, "piccione" is pigeon in English.
Is it possible to pull all key caps and then unmount the metal plate without soldering?
This time I missed the second pass.
You're forgiven.
As long as you get me into Sicily whenever I want :p
Obviously here:
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?16260-PBT-104-keycaps
Could you post some more pics of the mod? Like showing the edges from the sides, where both the plate and PCB are visible, also a pic of the entire top (out of the case, without keycaps), and the entire bottom?
Added the gray EK softpads today. Does make it even quieter, but not sure I like the feel. Will give them a week or so.
o-rings do a better job at preserving the original feel, they give you better feedback/bounce when you bottom out. The pads completely absorb your fingers' kinetic energy!
i just got my filco zero. it rings. it's unusable.
i don't know exactly what the parts look like in there, but i wonder if i could pull some rubber strings into the space between the pcb and the plate.
i need to open it up and evaluate the scene.
I would try first The Solutor's solution. Resolder the offending switch. Report back if it works. It's such a crazy suggestion it just might.
I think it might work, but not for the reasons Solutor suggested (creating better contact/avoid gap between switch and PCB).
A quick reheat and nice shiny coned lead should be sufficient.
It may be. Although statistics make this unlikely given the current reports of Ninja ringing at websites around the world. Like this OCN post. Or [URL=http://www.overclock.net/13920098-post17.html]this one. (http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/1043832-unboxing-initial-impressions-filco-majestouch-ninja.html)
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Science has moved beyond Newtonian certitude to Quark Quantum Mechanics probabilities.
wait, if you remove all key caps, then the metal plate is visible, right? (edit: found it looks like this http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?9735-Keyboard-Repair&p=176854&viewfull=1#post176854 )
So you could combine a elitekeyboards-softlanding-mod with tuning-fork-ping-removal-mod, if you place a rubber/foam-pad with holes for the switches on the metal plate from above. Then put all key caps on top again.
Well, here you can get tin that's lead-based or not. We do call it tin though.
I still haven't learned to solder but have been watching some how-to videos
Too lazy to read through the entirety of these pinging threads. I think it has been established that there is a sound made as the keys are depressed. Has anyone considered the possibility that the frequency of the pinging is beyond the audible range of some people on these forums? It's pretty common knowledge that the hearing range of a person decreases as one ages.
You must have twanged this in your sound sample.
Your audio doesn't sound anything like the Lucas audio.
This isn't the best reproduction--I used a Nikon D90 and Youtube. But it's still noticable, albeit pretty quiet. (I included a WhiBal card in honor of Ripster.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N54eusgrtoM
Somebody try their Ducky with this arpeggio trick. Aluminum backplates should dampen this effect more than the steel plate my Kinesis/Filcos have.
Try it. I bet it's steel on the Das.
My Kinesis keypad is steel and does the same thing so I would think the Das would too if you draw your fingers over the keyboard like that.
My Topre Realforce makes more of a duller sound but still vibrates. Sort of a washboard sound.
Never said it was the SAME. Just a difference in DEGREE.
Anyway, I wanted to show Findcanor that indeed I can change and be open minded.
And these are some of the Chemicals I plan on using for Filco Key Testing, plus a few new ones. Assuming you are not so mad you won't send me the keys.
It would be easy for the manufacturer to add dampening during the manufacturing process of course at relatively small cost. Even on non-ringing boards I would think it would help provide a more solid sound/feel (cue ripster claiming Filcos are perfect as they are and can't possibly be improved upon).
i have gaffing tape. how would one use it in this case?
I would expect that for the Cherry MX keyboards, you'd just cut it into strips and apply it to the face of the metal plate. But if you were talking about Model M's then I'm not sure because I'm not that familiar with how they're designed.
My Kinesis keypad rings like a bell if I hit the key hard enough.
Since I bought the switches new from Mouser and soldered the plate myself with remarkable skill I am not an adherent to your theory.
My / key rings like a bell.
You know, no theory here, resoldering the switches was tested and retested, btw as I already said likely the led will helpto coupling tightly the switch to the PCB.
I think ripster ate some bad eggplant parmesan once and has never forgiven Italy.
Think guitars.
the foam is good if the entire keyboard has a pinging problem
On the euro coins, the metals ARE the sound source. On keyboards, the possible sound sources are the springs and the plate.
It's not the actual solder points that matter IMO.
This is getting complicated. I don't think the robo picking machines do any of that stuff on anybody's keyboards. Dump it on the plate/PCB and run through the wave soldering machine.
From this piece of factual data you concluded it was a Filco manufacturing problem.
This is getting complicated. I don't think the robo picking machines do any of that stuff on anybody's keyboards. Dump it on the plate/PCB and run through the wave soldering machine.
Couldn't handle the EK soft landing pads, they kill the switchfeel too much. Mushy.
Which shore number or rubber type?
Is NBR70 ok?
http://www.hug-technik.com/shop/product_info.php?info=p2357_praezisions-o-ring---5-50-x-2-00-mm--nbr70.html
If true the OCN trick of baking your graphics cards may work by relieving stress points on the steel plate.
Or maybe not.
can someone link me to a threads that tell me how to open a filco tkl and how to pull fukka caps? i can only search every 30 seconds
The problem is you are searching for "TKL".
I wrote it up using "Tenkeyless".
In fact the Vbulletin search engine kinda sucks so "TKL" is too short.
I think I'll open up a "Mod Your Kinesis Keypad To Stop Ringing" post tomorrow.
But it will be in the Mods subforum.
Here is typing on a Ducky 1087. Do you hear a ping?
I hear the normal Cherry MX spring ping if I crank the volume. I haven't heard a single ringing Filco sample yet, since that's what all the complaining is about how come no one has recorded it?
Yeah, there's a bit of sustain there but again I had to crank the volume to get much of it. The way certain other users were describing it I was expecting something more obtrusive and painful.
It's clearly not a soldering or a Cherry MX individual switch defect problem
I already did that. See the Kinesis Mod in my sig.
Rang before.
Rings still.
Actually if my hypothesis is correct and this is mainly spring sound amplified by a metal plate then the underlying switch should matter little.
You ever heard of The Law Of The Instrument. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_instrument)
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where can i get these engraved caps?
You necro revivers.
I thought for a moment that someone redid the Epic 2011 foam experiment.
Ah, the good old days...
Ah, the good old days...
Insulation foam in a keyboard....... only in america ;) . I suppose when your car engine rattles spraying some foam in there would solve that problem too?
Some of my keys rattle when I run my hand across the keyboard, maybe I could spray some of that stuff under the keycaps to hold them a bit firmer?
Ah, the good old days...
Insulation foam in a keyboard....... only in america ;) . I suppose when your car engine rattles spraying some foam in there would solve that problem too?
Some of my keys rattle when I run my hand across the keyboard, maybe I could spray some of that stuff under the keycaps to hold them a bit firmer?
Some of my keys rattle when I run my hand across the keyboard, maybe I could spray some of that stuff under the keycaps to hold them a bit firmer?
Okay Rowdy, break out a can of foam and go whupass on that Filco.
I just thought of this, instead of going mad with expanding foam, why not use a standard clear tube of silicone. That way you can surgically implant some silicone into your board for that special feeling ;) . If it's good enough for pornstars and streetwalkers it should be good enough for your keyboard.
Ah, the good old days...
Insulation foam in a keyboard....... only in america ;) . I suppose when your car engine rattles spraying some foam in there would solve that problem too?
Some of my keys rattle when I run my hand across the keyboard, maybe I could spray some of that stuff under the keycaps to hold them a bit firmer?
Depending on key cap material hot glue might be an option.