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Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 20 June 2011, 20:21:18: (http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8360/p1020168dp.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/98/p1020168dp.jpg/)

It's real, i just modded it, yea it's ugly i can't help but mod functional ugly things.

My finger started getting sore, guess i'm working too much, noticed it was my index finger, figured it must be the 70g of force that the mice have, decided to mod an old mouse i had and came up with this.
It's too smooth lol! i'm used to using so much force, but after a few mins i got used to it,

Now i gotta figure out how to do it to my current mouse
(death addler is nice but low dpi, currently i like a 2400 dpi setting)
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: noodles256 on Mon, 20 June 2011, 20:23:23: thats pretty slick home boy. Yea, I wish you could choose the dpi rather than it being intervals. weird ass intervals at that
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: daerid on Mon, 20 June 2011, 23:03:51: Wow. That's epic
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 20 June 2011, 23:18:29: i might actually put in a cherry blue (brown atm) since i kinda miss the "click" lol.
started modding my other mouse (since this one is working pretty well) but fiance wanted to watch tv with me instead.

oh and cool tidbit, the original switch (i'm assuming it's omron) is still on there for the left click, it's actually situated below the cherry (not underneath but lower) so i can actually still click with that too (and remind myself how much less force is needed).
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: sordna on Mon, 20 June 2011, 23:32:08: Quote from: Lanx;364448
It's real, i just modded it, yea it's ugly i can't help but mod functional ugly things.

Nice! Mouse buttons are indeed heavy, especially clicking the middle button / scrollwheel. May we assume you used a cherry MX blue switch to have the click feedback ?
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 20 June 2011, 23:52:50: nope brown for now, thinking about blue, but i hate the blue sound.
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 21 June 2011, 13:27:36: modded my cm storm now, a lot less clearance and had to use a ton of hot glue to keep it in place but at least now i have my daily driver mouse modded, just lost a macro button.
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Fri, 08 July 2011, 21:49:00: after using this mod for 3 weeks and then using a regular mouse (my HTPC and sometimes fiance's computer) I cannot go backto regular mouse switches! it's like going from a rubber dome to mech, i don't even want to press right click anymore, i go and press the "menu" button on the computer instead.
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: flaming_june on Fri, 08 July 2011, 23:34:15: So this mod is actually good? I never thought people would want a cherry switch for a mouse button.
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Fri, 08 July 2011, 23:43:22: why not? it's smoother than an omron switch (the switches in mice) has lighter acutation force, and above all has helped me ergonomically since i have less stress in my mousing finger. (plus i think if i used a red switch it might be the best FPS mouse button) On the plus side, when diablo 3 get's released i'll have no issue with massive mouse clicking and i predict many will want to do this mod!

btw i've done this mod on a CM storm (my main mouse) the death addler is back to being a backup mouse.

plus why wouldn't a mod be good? most mods make things better (mine just happen to look REALLY ugly).
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Arc'xer on Sat, 09 July 2011, 00:46:20: Quote from: flaming_june;376675
So this mod is actually good? I never thought people would want a cherry switch for a mouse button.

Pretty sure they don't; vanity and weight. Plus it's easier just to replace the omron switch itself with a different weight rather than some completely different switch. In some of the Asian areas, there's a number of people who like to mod their mice with different omron and or brands(TTC, Zippy) switches to have different feeling/weight.

Most aren't gonna really bother with it since they would most likely say there isn't a difference. But from some of the few site translations, they do change the feel. But it's hard to find any good info on people testing the different switches.
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: himynameisbunny on Mon, 11 July 2011, 21:46:21: Quote from: Arc'xer;376708
But it's hard to find any good info on people testing the different switches.

I found one here (http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.zixun007.com/ShowPost.asp%3Fz24292.html&ei=casbTtqTIKLSiAL_lsWPCQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CD4Q7gEwBA&prev=/search%3Fq%3DAH158061/AH156061%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3Doa8%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Divns) which talks about 4 Omrons, a Zippy, a Panasonic and a Cherry type switch. When translated the English is very, very broken.

Hopefully somebody sees it and has a go at translating it lol.
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: elbowglue on Tue, 12 July 2011, 02:28:11: This is the coolest thing I have ever seen.. (late to the party here). Did you just cut a single switch and connect the same switch to where the omron sits?
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 12 July 2011, 12:50:27: for the death addler it was actually very simple. where you see the cherry switch, it sits right above the omron switch (above not on top). So you can actually use the cherry switch or if you move your finger lower down the mouse, use the omron switch.

I've since modded my current mouse the cm storm, cuz i'm used to it, here.
(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7899/p1020176k.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/233/p1020176k.jpg/)

as you see it was a bit more detailed, i had to sacrifice a "macro" button (look to the right side there's a button on very right, i had to gut out the one on the very left) and the pcb board "barely" left any room to fit a cherry switch on there. For the cm storm i had to desolder both the macro switch and the left mouse click button. then i had to just build a fake platform with hot-glue, in a sense the cherry switch is floating on a large chunge of hotglue.

don't know if the pic can't show (no natural light and don't want to move mouse away from computer) but the "scroll wheel" had a lot of mechanical stuff (holding the axel) that got in the way, fitting a cherry switch in that mouse, was the absolute minimum possible. Plus the front of the mouse actually has a metal guard since led's shine through it to produce a "flames" type effect.

i wanna do the right click as a cherry, but man i'd be loosing another macro button, and i really liked the left macro button i gave up.
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: elbowglue on Tue, 12 July 2011, 17:11:15: Lanx, if you get sick of the deathadder let me know I'll be happy to buy it from you :)

Oh by the way, how does your CM storm compare to your deathadder, I use a deathadder too but have been considering the storm as well...
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Arc'xer on Tue, 12 July 2011, 17:38:53: Quote from: elbowglue;379063
Lanx, if you get sick of the deathadder let me know I'll be happy to buy it from you :)

Oh by the way, how does your CM storm compare to your deathadder, I use a deathadder too but have been considering the storm as well...

The inferno uses the PTE sensor(PLN 2031), sentinel uses the PTE PLN 2302. Inferno uses the same PTE sensor as the lachesis/orochi(same 4K DPI) so you'll experience some jitter issues(z-axis) like the more advanced PTE sensor on the sentinel and other PTE using mice. So technically deathadder > CM I/S except for the CM Spawn which uses the ADNS-3090, which is the open-source version of the S3888 on the DA. Major difference being sensor settings and the grip it's claw rather than low-profile palm like the DA.
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 13 July 2011, 04:07:46: Quote from: elbowglue;379063
Lanx, if you get sick of the deathadder let me know I'll be happy to buy it from you :)

Oh by the way, how does your CM storm compare to your deathadder, I use a deathadder too but have been considering the storm as well...

eh you could do the same dremel hack job and probably make it look better (i'm gonna put a ghetto red in it to see how it works out, i specifically made sure i could open the keycap for this purpose.

well i haven't gamed on my pc in forever, but i loved the DA for so long, but wanted higher dpi and super accurate tracking (i use high res and want to land where i land for my mouse pointer) storm fit the bill, has macro's and i don't lift, so it's great.
this may be because i tried to upgrade to a rat7 a year ago and that was a pathetic piece of trash, so i'm just used to the cm inferno.
cm inferno has the worst drivers and software btw, pos junk always resets itself.
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: 500_pts on Wed, 13 July 2011, 07:22:21: any plans for doing the right clicks? :P
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 13 July 2011, 14:39:07: yea soon, not because i want to, but cuz fiance says she notices now whenever i rightclick and now she say's she can hear it all the time, weird huh.
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Thu, 14 July 2011, 00:36:09: wow i changed the cherry to a ghetto red (black stem/brown spring) cuz well i was getting tired of the tactile bump from all the double-clicking.

now the ghetto red requires almost no force to active, i think i'll stick with it,and yea i believe it's the best FPS mouse click lol, you could prolly spam as well as a macro with the black.
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Thu, 18 August 2011, 20:06:49: i decided to try ergo clears, reds were just too much bottom out for me.
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Evil_Spork on Mon, 22 August 2011, 14:26:27: Isn't the long throw on that a bad thing?
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lengradde on Sun, 13 May 2012, 22:58:03: Thread, I revive thee!

Originally I posted over on [H] about finger pain I was having and Lanx mentioned cherrifying a mouse. I searched and sure enough found my way back to here.

Was hoping to see more examples of this kind of modification.
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 14 May 2012, 13:58:30: i made a guide on another if you're interested, really just cut off lots of plastic and glue on the cherry switch.
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:23960&do=comments
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: boost on Mon, 14 May 2012, 18:13:45: Nice
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 15 May 2012, 01:56:20: i'm actually modding another cm spawn since the fiance' took my current spawn.probably just gonna go for straight left and right cherry mods.
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: All The Fire on Wed, 16 May 2012, 04:40:56: Might I recommomend you use 'L' and 'R' keys this time. xD
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 16 May 2012, 09:33:07: acutally while that would "make sense" it does not from a profile aspect, i prefer the lower profile cherry keys etc zxcvm, if i used the l/r not only would they be different profiles but higher in depth as well.
Title: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Chris_F on Fri, 15 June 2012, 21:48:32: I've always wanted a mouse with something like Cherry MX Blues for left and right.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: nomad on Sat, 21 July 2012, 21:47:53: Lol that's an awesome mod. It would be interesting to see a mouse in the form of a simple box with 2 mx keycaps poking out the top with a style similar to that of the old IBM puck mice.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: cr0ben on Sun, 22 July 2012, 15:51:20: Nice
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: kalrykh on Wed, 25 July 2012, 18:08:38: Quote from: daerid on Mon, 20 June 2011, 23:03:51
Wow. That's epic

Yes. Epic fail. Why the hell would any sober/sane person do this?
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Zykos on Fri, 27 July 2012, 05:56:46: Does the large travelling distance affect performance?
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Fri, 27 July 2012, 11:13:35: Quote from: Zykos on Fri, 27 July 2012, 05:56:46
Does the large travelling distance affect performance?
don't think so, i haven't played a fps since, but i did beat diablo3 on inferno with 2 classes, and diablo3 is a pretty click heavy game.

Quote from: kalrykh on Wed, 25 July 2012, 18:08:38
Quote from: daerid on Mon, 20 June 2011, 23:03:51
Wow. That's epic

Yes. Epic fail. Why the hell would any sober/sane person do this?
maybe learn to read the first post, and you'll see the reasoning. I've also never been commited and being allergic to alcohol (and just not liking it) i don't drink.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: kalrykh on Fri, 27 July 2012, 12:20:10: Maybe learn to not assume I didn't read. Your finger hurting is not a reason to put a huge ass switch and key cap on a mouse. Avoid hangnails and buy something comfortable to start with. If repetitive stress injury is the problem, there's an easy way to fix it...stop repeating the **** that makes it hurt. It's not like there arent alternatives to taking a perfectly good mouse and turning it into a retard's science project gone wrong.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Fri, 27 July 2012, 12:43:56: Quote from: kalrykh on Fri, 27 July 2012, 12:20:10
Maybe learn to not assume I didn't read. Your finger hurting is not a reason to put a huge ass switch and key cap on a mouse. Avoid hangnails and buy something comfortable to start with. If repetitive stress injury is the problem, there's an easy way to fix it...stop repeating the **** that makes it hurt. It's not like there arent alternatives to taking a perfectly good mouse and turning it into a retard's science project gone wrong.
I'm sorry, i cannot help but assume you have the mental capacity of a meme and therefor "could" but didn't "want" to read, my mistake, having established that i'll just reiterate stuff for you since you're incapable of reading the first post.
omron switches, which are the switches in most every mouse vary from 70g to more, a cherry switch is much less (45g). I use a cherry keyboard, i have no issues (kinesis) i use the mouse with the more force weight omron switches, i notice my index finger hurts.
I mod my mouse to use cherry switches, my index finger doesn't hurt anymore, feels perfectly fine, i conclude that the heavy force omron switches are to blame.

Again, if need be, i can go slower for you to explain this to make up for your decreased mental capacity but that would require a bit more research. On a side note, i have replaced the death adder (modded) with a cm spawn (cherry modded).I do not believe i've ever said that i've gotten a hangnail from mousing, in fact i've never had any nail issues, hand nor foot, while i do not do any sort of manicure/pedicures i do keep them groomed and have never had any sort of nasty infections/fungi.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: kalrykh on Fri, 27 July 2012, 14:11:55: The hangnail comment, much like the sober/sane comment, are not serious assumptions(which is rather obvious) and therefore do not require a full medical history. I can only assume your first language is not English, or your intelligence level is around that of what you seem to be attributing to me. The issue I have isn't the weight of the switch. I can understand wanting a lighter switch. The issue I have is having to jack your finger up to rest on said switch and then adding that much travel to it. It makes no sense from an ergonomic standpoint to increase finger movement and travel when you're complaining about ergonomic issues.

You seem to be unable to comprehend the difference between a quip and a personal insult and have instead come at me as if I were attacking you. I find amusing your attempt to prove you're the better person, while in the same breath trying to insult my intelligence. Here, let me return the favor. Let's take a look at the pic of the keyboard and mouse you posted earlier. Your hygiene is nothing to write home about. If you're going to shop in a junk yard, at least clean the **** up before you use it.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Paranoid on Mon, 27 August 2012, 13:57:22: haha damn that's an insane idea :D I like it! I wouldn't even want to cut a quite expensive mouse to pieces though ^^
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Kalmarauder on Sun, 23 September 2012, 05:59:59: Maybe the actuation force on a cherry mx switch is lower than a stock mouse switch, but the travel distance is much greater. Are you able to effectively hover above the actuation point without accidentally clicking? Can you click as rapidly as with a normal mouse button?
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Post by: WatchMaker on Mon, 24 September 2012, 09:28:38: that mouse is sexy do you sleep with it at night :))
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Post by: TheQsanity on Sat, 20 October 2012, 05:19:08: After reading some of your post about the ergokeyboard then getting lost in the infromation, saw you posted something about this and I had to see it. It is pretty late now so I probably cant get in too deep in your interesting posts. I will have the check the rest of them out too though!
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Sat, 20 October 2012, 10:27:16: Quote from: Kalmarauder on Sun, 23 September 2012, 05:59:59
Maybe the actuation force on a cherry mx switch is lower than a stock mouse switch, but the travel distance is much greater. Are you able to effectively hover above the actuation point without accidentally clicking? Can you click as rapidly as with a normal mouse button?
i play lvl 60 barb, inferno in diablo, so it's gone through lots of clicking with a generally known mousing game. (fps makes me vomit now, bleh)
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 20 October 2012, 11:39:42: Quote from: nomad on Sat, 21 July 2012, 21:47:53
Lol that's an awesome mod. It would be interesting to see a mouse in the form of a simple box with 2 mx keycaps poking out the top with a style similar to that of the old IBM puck mice.

I just replaced the innards of such a mouse so I had a working mouse color-matched to my Model M. So now I have a mouse (the donor) that works in every aspect EXCEPT the left button.

I'll pick up a couple of browns and give this mod a whirl. I really like the idea of using L and R keycaps.

Ron |samwisekoi
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: TheQsanity on Sat, 20 October 2012, 15:08:43: Quote from: Lanx on Sat, 20 October 2012, 10:27:16
Quote from: Kalmarauder on Sun, 23 September 2012, 05:59:59
Maybe the actuation force on a cherry mx switch is lower than a stock mouse switch, but the travel distance is much greater. Are you able to effectively hover above the actuation point without accidentally clicking? Can you click as rapidly as with a normal mouse button?
i play lvl 60 barb, inferno in diablo, so it's gone through lots of clicking with a generally known mousing game. (fps makes me vomit now, bleh)

I had 2 level 60 barbs lol. But I decided that I had no time for endless farming. What paragon are you? :)
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: TheProfosist on Sat, 20 October 2012, 17:12:19: Think you could do a decent job modding a G600 for all 4 main button/clicks?
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Post by: akuJIWA on Wed, 24 October 2012, 21:43:29: You need to clean up your keyboard. lol
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 24 October 2012, 23:00:56: i haven't opened up a logitech mouse in a while, wouldn't know, i just happen to have CM mice, i will say that some mice, just don't seem moddable, if you open em up.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: wetto on Thu, 25 October 2012, 21:22:41: Damn nice mod, dude! I think I'll try doing it on my old Genius Navigator 335

(http://www.datapoint.com.mk/catalog/images/Genius%20navigator%20335.jpg)

Even if I kill the bloody thing, I won't miss it. And if I do manage to do that, and it does feels nice, it's my M60's time to feel the wrath! :D

I think I'll try it with Cherry MX Red.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: TheQsanity on Thu, 25 October 2012, 22:35:12: Something a little more extendible?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/200831967382?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
$4 mouse, I might get one myslef, its a great mouse.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Fri, 26 October 2012, 02:57:00: i couldn't do cherry reds on my mouse, now just for fyi, i have ergo-whites on my kinesis so i like tactile. I tried red and browns/whites on my cherry modded mice, I couldn't do reds cuz it would be the only time i ever bottom out, and it was such a big bottom out (as in when i bottomed out i put lots of pressure on it) i noticed my finger started hurting from it, i know it sounds silly (since i don't bottom out on my keyboard), but i contribute it to the fact that it's only one button i'm focusing on. i switched back to browns on my mouse (whites were too tactile) and the pressure pain went away. Your results could vary of course, just stating my experiences.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: TheQsanity on Fri, 26 October 2012, 10:41:22: Yes, bottoming out sucks, even on keyboards.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: wetto on Fri, 26 October 2012, 11:20:25: Waaaait, wouldn't the somewhat rare Cherry MX Greens be quite nice for a mod like this?
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Fri, 26 October 2012, 12:38:36: is the green a blue with a heavier spring? in any case i personally don't like cherry blues click.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: gameaholic on Sat, 27 October 2012, 17:20:23: There's also this mouse with a cherry mx blue thumb button:
http://www.leetgion.com/products.php (http://www.leetgion.com/products.php)

(http://www.leetgion.com/images/hellion-banner_04.jpg)(http://www.leetgion.com/images/photo_s_01.jpg)
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: TheQsanity on Sat, 27 October 2012, 17:51:57: That mouse would be 10x better without that thumb button. It gets in the way. More of a gimmick.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: wetto on Sat, 27 October 2012, 18:37:25: Quote from: TheQsanity on Sat, 27 October 2012, 17:51:57
That mouse would be 10x better without that thumb button. It gets in the way. More of a gimmick.

I don't think it gets in the way, the Corsair M60 is the same way, but yeah, it's a gimmick for me too.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: TheQsanity on Sat, 27 October 2012, 19:56:16: With the size of that one key. you could add 2 keys in a better position maybe even 3.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: limmy on Sun, 28 October 2012, 07:55:26: The Omron switches used in Razer or Logitech are made in China. Switches made in Japan works a lot better and feels lighter.

[attachimg=1]
Left China(D2FC-F-7N), Right Japan(D2F-01F)
source: http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/2861723

I modded Logitech G700 and Razer Mamba with Omron Japan switches and each mouse clicks at 50gf.
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/2866243 - Actuation force of modded mouse is 50g
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/2857366 - Logitech G700 mod
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/1152916 - Razer Mamba mod
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/2861723 - Comparison between Omron mouse switch from China and Japan
(Warning: The above links are in Korean and it would take forever to download pics. If you interested, use Proxy http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/4835717 or click on the file list at the top of each page)

I like the idea of using Cherry MX, but it seems like it is a lot of work. Why don't you try Omron Japan switches? You can order them in small quantity from Digikey or Mouser. The part number is D2F-01F.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: hashish on Tue, 30 October 2012, 15:44:56: This is an awesome mod. I was planning to do this to a dell bluetooth mouse I have.

I envisioned it a little different. Instead of removing the mouse button and replacing it with a keycap, i wanted the think to look stock. So I was going to remove material from the bottom housing so the mouse button had more travel distance.

Kudos on the design, now I know to use Cherry Reds for my build.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 30 October 2012, 16:04:43: if you want it more stock like, you would have to mount the switch on the plastic bottom rather than the pcb (depth issue i'm sure), and for that you might want to use hot glue, like the kind for arts and crafts (it's what i used and my mice still hold together well)
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: TheQsanity on Wed, 31 October 2012, 10:46:42: Are extra wires required? How would it conect to the pcb?

At the Japanese Omrons hiw can we get those easily for a decent price?
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: hashish on Wed, 31 October 2012, 10:50:22: Quote from: Lanx on Tue, 30 October 2012, 16:04:43
if you want it more stock like, you would have to mount the switch on the plastic bottom rather than the pcb (depth issue i'm sure), and for that you might want to use hot glue, like the kind for arts and crafts (it's what i used and my mice still hold together well)

I haven't taken apart my death adder yet because its still under warranty, but I did figure that travel would be a problem. After looking at some disassembly pics, the death adder may not be the best choice for a stock looking switch mod. I was hoping the PCB with the switches was mounted on the bottom of the housing and the mouse buttons had a long stem. Similar to traditional mouse designs.

I did take apart my dell bluetooth mouse last night, but there was too much going on in there for a mod the scroll wheel was in the way. I'm going to try to take apart a lenovo wired optical mouse I have. See what that looks like on the inside.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: modulor on Wed, 31 October 2012, 10:59:23: Quote from: limmy on Sun, 28 October 2012, 07:55:26
The Omron switches used in Razer or Logitech are made in China. Switches made in Japan works a lot better and feels lighter.

(Attachment Link)
Left China(D2FC-F-7N), Right Japan(D2F-01F)
source: http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/2861723

I modded Logitech G700 and Razer Mamba with Omron Japan switches and each mouse clicks at 50gf.
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/2866243 - Actuation force of modded mouse is 50g
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/2857366 - Logitech G700 mod
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/1152916 - Razer Mamba mod
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/2861723 - Comparison between Omron mouse switch from China and Japan
(Warning: The above links are in Korean and it would take forever to download pics. If you interested, use Proxy http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/4835717 or click on the file list at the top of each page)

I like the idea of using Cherry MX, but it seems like it is a lot of work. Why don't you try Omron Japan switches? You can order them in small quantity from Digikey or Mouser. The part number is D2F-01F.

Good info, limmy...duly noted! :D I think it would be an interesting project to create a fully custom mouse that uses various MX switches (and your choice of sensor) but it does seem like quite a task to create. However, I don't doubt the adventurousness of my fellow geekhackers!

Quote from: gameaholic on Sat, 27 October 2012, 17:20:23
There's also this mouse with a cherry mx blue thumb button:
http://www.leetgion.com/products.php (http://www.leetgion.com/products.php)

Show Image
(http://www.leetgion.com/images/hellion-banner_04.jpg)
Show Image
(http://www.leetgion.com/images/photo_s_01.jpg)

Cool looking design for sure!
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: hashish on Wed, 31 October 2012, 11:24:10: Swapping the sensor would be a pain. I wish I didn't throw away all those mice from over the years. It would be nice to take some apart to see if I can do a custom switch mod. I guess in the mean time I will buy a decent soldering iron.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 31 October 2012, 17:52:13: Quote from: TheQsanity on Wed, 31 October 2012, 10:46:42
Are extra wires required? How would it conect to the pcb?

At the Japanese Omrons hiw can we get those easily for a decent price?

just resolder 2 lead wires to the pcb from the switch, usually the micro switch has three connections, from what i can tell, the third connection is just there, or for stability, i don't know, sometimes all three are soldered to the pcb, sometimes just 2, to find out which ones i have to resolder, i just connect the mouse to the pc, and run a wire on all possible combinations, which is 4 and see which ones produces a click, i'm sure there's a better way like using a volt meter for some sort of ohm testing or something, but i'm an idiot with electronics, and that's how i found which ones to solder.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: TheQsanity on Wed, 31 October 2012, 19:06:42: Quote from: Lanx on Wed, 31 October 2012, 17:52:13
Quote from: TheQsanity on Wed, 31 October 2012, 10:46:42
Are extra wires required? How would it conect to the pcb?

At the Japanese Omrons hiw can we get those easily for a decent price?

just resolder 2 lead wires to the pcb from the switch, usually the micro switch has three connections, from what i can tell, the third connection is just there, or for stability, i don't know, sometimes all three are soldered to the pcb, sometimes just 2, to find out which ones i have to resolder, i just connect the mouse to the pc, and run a wire on all possible combinations, which is 4 and see which ones produces a click, i'm sure there's a better way like using a volt meter for some sort of ohm testing or something, but i'm an idiot with electronics, and that's how i found which ones to solder.

That is probably how I would do it sadly. I hate it when I have 3 wires one thing and 2 on another...
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Rinsaku on Thu, 01 November 2012, 22:00:06: Awesome job! I was just thinking the other day that they should have cherry mx mouses.. they've recently added them to arcade style fightsticks!
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: hashish on Thu, 01 November 2012, 22:29:31: We should start a kickstarter thread. Create a Plate with the PCB, sensor, u-controller already built in. Create a multiple housing designs that can fit the universal plate/sensor combo for small, large, left, right, ambi, long, short designs. Then make them custom order based on the desired switch/switches.
Title: Re: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: tcv on Sun, 04 November 2012, 05:59:32: Show Image
Quote from: Lanx on Mon, 20 June 2011, 20:21:18
(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8360/p1020168dp.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/98/p1020168dp.jpg/)

It's real, i just modded it, yea it's ugly i can't help but mod functional ugly things.

My finger started getting sore, guess i'm working too much, noticed it was my index finger, figured it must be the 70g of force that the mice have, decided to mod an old mouse i had and came up with this.
It's too smooth lol! i'm used to using so much force, but after a few mins i got used to it,

Now i gotta figure out how to do it to my current mouse
(death addler is nice but low dpi, currently i like a 2400 dpi setting)

The deathadder is too good of a mouse to give a make over like that...
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: bear95 on Sun, 04 November 2012, 11:18:55: Is travel distance much of an issue?
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 05 November 2012, 00:16:56: Quote from: bear95 on Sun, 04 November 2012, 11:18:55
Is travel distance much of an issue?
travel distance wouldn't be affected, it's just the switches, btw i don't test it out much since it has become my travel mouse (i have another modded cherry daily mouse).
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: hashish on Mon, 05 November 2012, 11:45:27: A backlit switch would be awesome!
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: akuJIWA on Tue, 06 November 2012, 06:24:21: By looking at that.. I think I would prefer my Sensei. lol
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: lyrill on Fri, 31 May 2013, 21:01:35: wtf :) :)
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 31 May 2013, 21:03:44: Quote from: lyrill on Fri, 31 May 2013, 21:01:35
wtf :) :)

Holy thread necromance batman
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: TheQsanity on Fri, 31 May 2013, 22:19:19: Happens all the time. :P
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: captinchikin on Sun, 09 June 2013, 16:31:55: I've always wondered why no company has done this. Right where the clickers go, we get a nice cherry mx blue switch for L and R. Hopefully a real company would look...nicer...than this, but the functional aspect of it has always been one of my dreams.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Tym on Sun, 09 June 2013, 16:45:48: Whats with the random thread dredging all the time latley?
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Rayne on Sun, 09 June 2013, 20:34:08: wow, this is such an awesome idea! I have an extra Razer Abyssus i might try this with sometime
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: velvetdon25 on Fri, 19 July 2013, 01:07:45: Mind taking a video of it and posting it on youtube?
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: do_Og@n on Fri, 16 August 2013, 15:50:59: Could you imagine the advantage of a jail-house blue switch on one of these mouse.

EPIC!!!
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 16 August 2013, 15:56:06: Quote from: do_Og@n on Fri, 16 August 2013, 15:50:59
Could you imagine the advantage of a jail-house blue switch on one of these mouse.

EPIC!!!

How do I stop myself cracking open a RAT 7
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: MTManiac on Fri, 16 August 2013, 16:08:14: I never knew this existed, now to go destroy some old mice!
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: TheQsanity on Fri, 16 August 2013, 16:11:30: We should have a group project! I have been meaning to get mine done for a while but trying to figure out how to fit a cherry in my microsoft explorer 3.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: do_Og@n on Fri, 16 August 2013, 16:28:40: Quote from: TheQsanity on Fri, 16 August 2013, 16:11:30
We should have a group project! I have been meaning to get mine done for a while but trying to figure out how to fit a cherry in my Logitech explorer 3.

I'm not very useful for the soldering or anything electrical but I will donate some blue switches and old mouse I have just laying around.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: melt on Mon, 19 August 2013, 14:44:00: craziness, my friend... pure and simple craziness. But, I wouldn't mind fumbling around with an older mouse trying to make something of the sort. haha. We shall see
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Thu, 29 August 2013, 20:38:42: i've done this to all the mice in the house, except for the mice that the wife uses, she think's it's weird, oh and extremely ugly.
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Glenn315 on Fri, 30 August 2013, 10:21:25: I think that this is both funny and awesome. :)
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 30 August 2013, 13:28:19: Cool mouse there! What type of cherry switch did you use on it?
Title: Re: cherry modded death addler
Post by: Lanx on Sat, 31 August 2013, 00:58:48: i initially experimented with blues, cuz why not, then i did reds, but i kept on bottoming out like mad, so i needed the tactile (without blues) and tried ergo-clears... the clears after a while was actually way too tactile, since i used the left mouse button so frequently like most ppl, and have settled on using just regular browns.