It's also more expensive because Geekhackers keep RMAing their keyboards for this silly ping issue.
Also, now that mech keyboards are catching on and becoming more popular, will Filco be able to continue setting such a high pricepoint?
I'm hoping Logitech and Microsoft bring out a line of mechanical keyboards in the future and that SteelSeries and Razer update their line with different switches. The main reason being to drive down the prices on mechanical keyboards. It's kind of ridiculous the kind of money we pay for these keyboards. These keyboards are awesome and they're the best to type on but it's just a keyboard. Then again they have mice that run in the $100+ range which is retarded also. Oh well.
As much as the DAS guys cry and ***** about their shiny case I've seen more issues/complaints "OMFG, my dog can barely make out a ping" regarding Filcos which seem to be regarded as the gold standard of boards.
Still, I can't get the "I want a Filco" devil off my shoulder :(
I have emailed DAS about getting a key pad less keyboard and was told something like, "Thanks for your input, son. However if we take your advice on products and produce something like it - you can sue us for stealing your idea. No go fo sho"
I call this rule of Internet Forums periodically going bat**** over non-existent manufacturing flaws
It's also more expensive because Geekhackers keep RMAing their keyboards for this silly ping issue.
Why are Mercedes, Rolls-Royce and Lamborghini cars so expensive? Same for Filco keyboards.
Why are Mercedes, Rolls-Royce and Lamborghini cars so expensive? Same for Filco keyboards.
Say what you will but I'd rather have the new Optima than a Camry.
Filco shares most of its parts with the other keyboards that are cheaper than it....and theyre made it the same factory.So? Does that mean that the contractor requested/paid the same materials, operations, QA, etc?
For me it was Filco or Das, because this are the only MX Browns boards with NKRO easily available here. So distribution is a reason.
DAS has this shiny Case. My Shiny Zowie EC1 looks and feels terribad, when you dont wipe the stuff off a few times a day. So no DAS for me.
Then Filco is available in tenkeyless.
And size matters!
You know, I hate to agree with ripster, but I listened to a lot of the sound samples of pinging filcos, and I noticed 2 things:
1) I rarely heard a ping at all
2) When I did, it was when the key was being pressed and released very very very slowly. No one types that slowly.
It's a spring, for crying out loud...when allowed to, they will vibrate. This is sometimes called pinging.
Now, as to why they are expensive...because that's the price people are willing to pay for them. If they could charge more and maintain similar sales, you better believe they would be even more expensive.
2) It would get worse the faster you type because greater vibrations make louder resonance in the plate.
1) step 1: Hire 5-10 people to troll the internet spamming amazing reviews of filco
2) step 2: limit production and put price point WAY above all competitors
3) step 3: ??????
4) step 4: PROFIT
GENIUS!
I do not think that word means what you think it means. Resonance happens at specific frequencies. Springs don't maintain the same frequency of vibration at different decompression rates.
Unless it's a Xarmor.
Say what you will but I'd rather have the new Optima than a Camry.
My stairs don't squeak.
They must be made by Filco.....
Actually in Japan I visited a friend that works at P&G Kobe. His manufactured house is made by Toyota. (http://www.jetsongreen.com/2008/07/toyota-homes-lo.html)
Ahh, I see. You were basing your opinion on aesthetics, rather than performance and reliability.
Have fun rma'ing your xarmors :P
We lack taste
Ford, GM, Honda, and probably others have a unified world wide lineup.
And don't even for a second claim the Focus doesn't sell well outside the US.
Also, typical continental bull**** from you, yet again.
so now we just ignore you.
I will not buy an Hummer even if it will last until the end of the time..
Don't compare nice looking keyboards with cars horrorifized specifically to please the american's [lack of]taste
Horrorifized? Yeah, I'd rather have this sleek piece of Italian artwork than a Camaro.Show Image(http://www.fiatcars.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Fiat-Multipla-1024x758.jpg)
Good taste is not in the pro list, I'm afraid.
It's not the springs, it's the plate. How many times does that need to be said?
the sound source is the springs, the plate (as well as the keyboard case) just helps amplify it.
If you have a Cherry MX switch part in a block of wood with no spring it also does not vibrate.
I'm sure it's the spring that makes the sound. It's like a guitar. Some tonewoods make different sounds with the same metal strings. I don't like maple necks. Ebony fretboards FTW!
IBM Model Ms make a ping sound.
So do Kinesis Keypads with Cherry Blues.
So does my Cherry Corp PCB mounted Ricercar SPOS if I do an arpeggio and listen very carefully.
So do Topres if I do an arpeggio if I put my ear to the BACK of the keyboard.
Wrong, and wrong. Even tapping lightly on the plate, I can tell it is the plate that is ringing, not the springs. And the case doesn't have anything to do with it, it would ring just as loudly with the case off.
I cannot be 100% sure, but there's no way to isolate the plate from the springs, unless you remove the springs. In my view, the plate/switches/springs are so tightly coupled together, there's no way to prevent vibration from going from one component to the other, even if you just slightly tap the plate directly.
Try putting the back of your Topre up to your ears like this and type.
Sometimes I hear the Topre "Fart" too. Google it if you don't believe me. #1 hit.
Well apparently there is, because most plate-mounted mechanicals don't have this problem. Are you trying to say it's the springs so you can blame it on Cherry instead of Filco?
If it's NOT the spring then explain this.
Wow. Arrogant and condescending. Ignored.
We lack taste, yet for some reason, Ford, GM, Honda, and probably others have a unified world wide lineup. A focus is a focus is a focus. An accord is an accord is an accord. Anywhere you go, in any country, if the car is sold there, it's the same as the one sold everywhere else.
And don't even for a second claim the Focus doesn't sell well outside the US. Or the Accord.
Also, typical continental bull**** from you, yet again. We often get mocked for taking a US-centric view of the world. Well, it's often because we got tired of being looked down on all the time, so now we just ignore you.
This thread has a distinct lack of Focus.
BTW is Ford that is not Ford.
Ford Europe was more a a German company owned by an American one than just an European branch of a world company. Focus is basically an european car meant from the start to be sold outside the Europe.
Very different than say the Crysler C300 that fiat hope to sell also here (after a facelift) as Lancia Thema
That first sentence scrambled my brain...
It's just like Opel V.S. GM. Ford use just the same brand for the two companies.
Ford and GM are two separate companies...
[...] My Topre makes no noise (and my KBC Poker with browns doesn't ring either for that matter) while the Filco would ring so loudly you could hear the B flat outside of my office. I know, because someone came in and asked "Doesn't that tone bother you after awhile?"
Oh but let me guess, it's some McGurk/Guitar/Made-up/Topres do it too/Filcoshill excuse of the day.
He was saying that Opel and GM are not (exactly) 2 separate companies and comparing that to Ford (continental america) and Ford (europe)
I understand what you just said...
is just not decipherable.
I thought this thread is entitled "Why are filco keyboards so expensive?".
Why am I the only one addressing the OP's concerns?
But remember the famous quote, "Ping is in the ear of the beholder". For you technical types look up Weber–Fechner law.
I still claim they are expensive because people will pay that much for them. The primary rule of capitalism: charge as much as possible to sell enough to make a profit. If lowering the cost can make your more profit, you often will.
But I also think there's a certain "higher price allure" to them, similar to certain electronics brands -- "this one is more expensive, so it must be better!"
Ripster sure is angry a lot these days.
Yes, its period is shorter than the supposed 24/28 days :smokin:
I'd love to see a video filmed from dowm the hall. If its that loud should be easy to capture.
Also...the filco does NOT have lazer etched printing on their key caps, meaning faster wear. (the das does)
But remember the famous quote, "Ping is in the ear of the beholder". For you technical types look up Weber–Fechner law.
A reasonable quality recording of what you describe would help.
Actually, that was true until this year. This year the Focus got unified. If you don't believe me, go take a look. The dealer near me has an RS on the showroom floor, too (and oh my is it pretty). A SEL or Titanium Focus is in the mid to upper $20K range, and is aimed squarely at the GTI and Mazda Speed3 (which yes, was always a euro spec focus, for the most part). But the ST which is coming out in the near future will be aimed somewhere between the WRX and the STi, but at a much lower price point (low to mid $20K range). The RS, which admittedly is exceedingly hard to find, is priced comparably to the STi, and at least keeps up with it. It just depends on what you want in a rally car.
But you're right, until recently that wasn't true.
Hoping the majority of these ping posts have more to do with ribbing Ripster than the ping being a wide spread issue.
Jeez, why is everyone so hostile today.
IT'S FRIDAY!!!
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If memory serves, the only recording he accused of being fake was Solutor's,
and since his purpose in life seems to be ripster-bashing
I was always amused you thought 100% of Filcos had a manufacturing defect despite not even owning a Filco.
It's pretty easy to see nonfunctioning leds
No really, I can't hear it all here in this video. Hear it fine in the sound sample.
Skip to 6:20
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Compare to my Blue Cherry Kinesis keypad
Simple question. Is this the sound you heard or not?
if they were you could just buy a focus in europe and bring it here with no questions asked other than that you pay the customs tax or whatever. that is not the case.
Actually, most of the necessary changes are EPA requirements, not safety issues.
And to try to get this most OffTopic of threads OnTopic Filcos are expensive because their plates are made from the finest tensile steel as shown by the plates on defective examples ringing loudly.