Hi!
I'm about to get my first mechanical keyboard but I'm having a hard time deciding what to get and how. Right now I'm leaning towards getting a filco majestouch-2 tenkeyless(cherry mx black, main purpose gaming + I bash my keys pretty hard) because it's the only one I can find with finnish/swedish layout that is being distributed by a company here in Finland (If anyone's interested head to http://www.silentrig.com).
However I have a second choice. My cousin is living in shanghai right now so I could ask her to purchase a keyboard for me. Only thing is that they know nothing about keyboards. This would mean I would have to prepare everything so the only thing they would have to do is send it to me from shanghai. Now I've been lurking around and I found another thread about china which was pretty short and didn't answer any questions. Now I don't know at all about what keyboards are to be found in china. I know ducky is manufactured there but I don't see any reason getting a ducky over a filco when it's that much extra work.
Two keyboards that interest me to the extent that I could even consider switching the ISO-layout to ANSI would be the noppoo choc mini or the vortex poker. Has anybody any knowledge of any stores or easy ways of coming by one of these and is it hard to switch from an ISO-layout to an ANSI-layout?
coming by one of these and is it hard to switch from an ISO-layout to an ANSI-layout?
IMO is just hideous because the tiny enter, not beacause the logical layout nor the missing additional key.
Time for this:Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15054&stc=1&d=1295808890)
To the OP: I'm european and so I should be ISO-biased (just because I'm european, see !?) yet I can switch between both (qwerty) ISO and (qwerty) ANSI and I find that ANSI is simply better. Also, I'm happy that I can type switch between ANSI and ISO at will because one day I'll find a cheap M15 (just like I found a bargain ISO MX 5000) and that cheap M15 will be ANSI (because there are no non-ANSI M15 apparently ; )
Time for this:
tl;dr version: "The ANSI return sucks because I don't know how to type"
Y'know, typing, that thing that people do on keyboards.
On a forum where people own multiple $100+ keyboards, or are preparing to buy their first of possibly many, it is a reasonable assumption that a large number of them are proficient typists.
You see just what you want to see.
I can see people interested in technology, collectors, modders, deep pockeded people, electronics hobbyists, nostalgic users, and so on, and also touch typists, programmers, shell users, shell integralists and so on.
Agreed, I would also assume that more of the forum members than not are at least competent enough to not have to be constantly looking at the keyboard and typing with 2 fingers.
So I would think an ISO user would have the opposite problem where they end up pressing the \ key by mistake expecting Enter.
Either way though its preference to comfort and how easy it is for you to adjust to something new.
So I would think an ISO user would have the opposite problem where they end up pressing the \ key by mistake expecting Enter. Either way though its preference to comfort and how easy it is for you to adjust to something new.
But first and foremost it is a keyboard forum, and there's not much point in arguing that
I recommend starting with an old Cherry board. They're relatively inexpensive. They'll most likely feature MX Browns, Clears or Blacks, all of which are decent options. There are other brands that use Cherry keyswitches also, that can be acquired at minimal cost.
Also, keep in mind that you may change your mind on what your favorite keyswitches are. So starting with a cheap set of Cherry switches is a good introduction. You might even get into experimenting - modifying the keyswitches to your own specifications.
After you know what your favorite keyswitch is you'll be ready to commit to a Filco.
I'm actually on the list to get different switches from CeeSaa's cherry switch sinklist. Will probably decide after that what switch I will be pursuing. I think that it'll be the easiest way to determine which switch I like the most and then start to look for keyboards with that switch...
ok, well CeeSaa's sinklist will have the switches mounted on them as the "wasd"-cluster so it will be a bit better than a single key...I actually tried the razer black widow's mx blues and didn't like them at all.
Touch typists are not the majority of the users, as are the heavy keyboard users.
Sings the troll on a forum basically dedicated to quality input devices...
Dude, this is GH. This is the place where people either know or learn one or two things about typing.
But anyway, two days ago I voted for you as the biggest troll and now it's:
So how come that you haven't made your own custom keyboard like I did ? Should I blame you because likely you have no idea about soldering or measuring something ?
If you want respect start to give respect other people
Frankly I prefer to type with even one finger while using a lot of neurons, instead of doing the opposite as an unhelpful and rude person like you are used to.
I noticed thanks, but even if that I still treated you as a good person that you clearly aren't, it's my main defect: too much hope in people
How come every thread I read you're arguing with at least one person?
I thought, until about two months ago that everyone had typing class when they were in like 5th grade and I didn't think that "touch" typing was an actual specification.
I also had a pretty brutal hag of a typing teacher that would smack our hands if she caught us looking at the keys. I hated that class, but I'll be damned if I don't average 60 WPM and never look at my keys
People who can't do it usually say that.
Say that about anything they decided was not worth to learn.
But while if one is not able to swim, to drive a car, to use a pc or whatever there is no substitute, lack of touch typing skill doesn't prevent anything, it's just a different technique to use a keyboard, nothing more, nothing less.
Say that about anything they decided was not worth to learn.
But while if one is not able to swim, to drive a car, to use a pc or whatever there is no substitute, lack of touch typing skill doesn't prevent anything, it's just a different technique to use a keyboard, nothing more, nothing less.
well, efficient transcribing and copying is pretty damn hard to do if you have to look at your keys, I'd imagine
This is more a matter of secretary.
Btw for touch typist usually is intended not just the ability to write w/o looking at the keys, but the correct placement of the then fingers and so on.
While there is a lot of people used to write, more or less, blindly w/o being a proper touch typist
Btw for touch typist usually is intended not just the ability to write w/o looking at the keys, but the correct placement of the then fingers and so on.
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oh, i honestly didn't know that. I use the fingering that Mavis Beacon (type teaching program) taught me, so I assume that its correct
Maybe because nowadays is unusual to find people like me, reasonably expert, or at least well informed, in many different areas ?
Saying that not knowing how to type is an 'alternate way' of using a keyboard is a bit like saying that falling into water and flailing your arms around wildly is an 'alternate way' of swimming.
It's not a conscious lifestyle choice
I never formally learned how to type, yet I can comfortably touch type at 80WPM+, just as consequence of using computers over the years in a regular manner. It really isn't that difficult.
But above all, there is the bizarre dichotomy of criticizing people for recommending or assuming touch typing skills
on a forum where people blow large quantities of money on keyboards.
It would be like someone going onto a racing bike