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Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: test157 on Thu, 30 June 2011, 23:12:46
I have few ultrax + going to buy some, is it possible to remove tehre numpad? what you guys think? I'am just going to take them to workshop and to ask there to do this operation.

what you think is it good idea? or technically possible? I just want classic ten key less, what will be scissor based
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: alaricljs on Thu, 30 June 2011, 23:16:54
Generally not possible without a replacement controller as the controller on fullsized keyboards usually occupies the space above the numpad.  The PCB for this particular KB will also extend over the F-keys to incorporate those silver buttons so moving or cutting the controller PCB gets that much more complicated.

Oh yeah, and what workshop would you be taking this to?  There is no place I've heard of in the US that would do that sort of work.
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: sam113101 on Thu, 30 June 2011, 23:22:49
With mechanical keyboards, you can rewire the circuit. I don't know how you're going to "rewire" the plastic sheets it probably has.
The controller is above the numpad most of the time, but I guess you could find somewhere else to stick it*? Where the buttons are seems to be a nice place, but you'll lose said buttons.
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: test157 on Thu, 30 June 2011, 23:23:02
I'm from russia, so here everything is possible.
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: test157 on Thu, 30 June 2011, 23:24:09
controller on the right side can be big trouble ((
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: Tony on Thu, 30 June 2011, 23:33:46
Faster to exchange it with a tenkeyless board.

If you insist, first try it with normal rubber dome keyboards, they are cheaper.
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: Izza on Thu, 30 June 2011, 23:38:05
If we're talking about a dome board, the easiest method is to cut the tenkey portion of the casing off, and fold the membrane under. This has been done, and documented, several places.

If you're referring to a mechanical board, the process is a bit more involved, and requires mapping the traces to determine what needs to be bridged.
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: alaricljs on Thu, 30 June 2011, 23:50:34
The ultrax he's talking about appears to be a Logitech full size scissor switch/low profile with media buttons above F9 thru Pause/Brk.  That entire area will be 1 PCB.
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: test157 on Fri, 01 July 2011, 00:15:44
I want scissors, just to be the same like on notebook + I'm more accurate and fast with scissors than with topre or cherry brown, but all I want to make space
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: Izza on Fri, 01 July 2011, 02:43:53
I would suggest using a laptop keyboard with a teensy, in that case.
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: test157 on Fri, 01 July 2011, 03:13:16
teensy is some kind of development tool? just didn't understood how I can use it?
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: keyb_gr on Fri, 01 July 2011, 04:01:48
He means rolling your own controller board. There's a few projects like that out there already.
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: Izza on Fri, 01 July 2011, 04:46:31
http://www.pjrc.com/store/teensy.html

This is what you would use for a controller.

You basically connect the keyboard's wires/pins/ribbon to the teensy, and modify existing code to reflect your keyboard's matrix.

If you decide to go this route, feel free to join #geekhack on Freenode IRC. Several of us can help you along.
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: BiNiaRiS on Fri, 01 July 2011, 05:12:23
Quote from: test157;371017
I'm from russia, so here everything is possible.

Haha, quote of the week right there.
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: The Solutor on Fri, 01 July 2011, 06:47:49
Quote from: sam113101;371016
With mechanical keyboards, you can rewire the circuit. I don't know how you're going to "rewire" the plastic sheets it probably has.

 
It's possible with an huge amount of patience, and some silver paint, but the amount of work needed and the uncertain durability are big concerns about this kind of mod.
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: tystees on Mon, 22 August 2011, 23:58:32
I am really sorry for resurecting this old thread, but I cannot seem to find anymore information on this topic. So my question is,

What if you removed a few columns of keys and switches from your mechanical keyboard. I mean by cutting the pcb, and removing a few keys. If they are no longer there will if just simply be that they will not work? Or will removing a few keys by severing the pcb actually restrict or cause all the keys to not work?
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ANd lets say we cut the pcb right along that line....
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: alaricljs on Tue, 23 August 2011, 08:52:26
It's highly dependent on the particular PCB.  There are boards where you can do that, and there are many where you cannot because the controller chip is situated above the numpad section.  Details of where that PCB came from would help and if no one knows from that, better close ups of both sides of the PCB might get you more advice.
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: tystees on Tue, 23 August 2011, 21:10:01
I guess what im trying to say is regardless of where the controller chip is, if we forget about the location of the controller, and  if i cut along that line, would the it affect the functionality of the rest of the keys... Will the severing of the circuits from the cut affect other parts of the board?
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: alaricljs on Tue, 23 August 2011, 22:13:26
That would be a strong maybe.
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: tystees on Tue, 23 August 2011, 23:30:37
Ok thanks alaric

Anyone else ever try this or have any insight on this?
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: sordna on Wed, 24 August 2011, 00:41:47
Haven't tried it, but if the section doesn't have the controller and you cut a few lines, you could solder some jumper wires to restore the severed connections if it doesn't work.
Title: Removing numpad - is it possible MOD?
Post by: tystees on Wed, 24 August 2011, 12:42:18
Ohhh ok that is a excellent idea sordna.. I will try it and see how it goes..