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geekhack Community => Input Devices => Topic started by: Lester on Sat, 02 July 2011, 09:33:49
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So, my Razer Deathadder is double clicking 30% of the time when I press the left mouse button (it double clicks when i only press it once)
Anyone has any idea how to solve this? Or does anyone know a better mouse then the deathadder I could buy? (I use the mouse a lot for gaming, maybe a Steelseries Xai?)
Thx,
Lester
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Hmmmm
I wonder now do I should try to fix it or just destroy it an buy a Xai.
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If you think about getting a Xai make sure they'll let you send it back since 9 out of 10 of them have an absurd amount of positive acceleration.
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i have a Xai for about 1 year now and could not be happier.
The only thing is that it doesn't track optimal on every surface. I have the feeling when using a QCK+ is doesnt perform as well as it could.
Get a hard mousepad with it (or use just the table) and be happy.
I know about the positive acceleration but 9 out of 10 should be exaggeration.
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Back when they got released that's how it actually was, not sure how it is now.
Only people that were sponsored by SteelSeries could be bothered using a Xai, unless of course you were a noob.
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If the Xai has a lot of problems, which mouse would be a decent one then?
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If the Xai has a lot of problems, which mouse would be a decent one then?
The ones I am interested at the moment are the R.A.T. and the new mamba with the 4g sensor.
I think they should be both good mice?!
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RAT is ****, 4G sensor is ****.
Logitech MX518/G400 (same mouse pretty much)
Razer DeathAdder
Razer Abyssus
Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0
Microsoft IntellMouse Optical 1.1
Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1
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RAT is ****, 4G sensor is ****.
haha, are you keep trying to bait me?
i didnt get it before but your trolling is sweet :)
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haha, are you keep trying to bait me?
i didnt get it before but your trolling is sweet :)
Hes saying the truth. If you care about the perfomance of your mouse those mice have a much better sensor than the R.A.Ts and 4g
Other mice with great sensors are zowie mico and cm storm spawn
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what makes me think is that he calls it **** with no evidence whatsoever.
I didn't use either of the mentioned mice but first of all, the R.A.T. gets pretty good reviews in general and, even more important in this very forum, there is evidence that the tracking/precision is superior to other mice: look here at post #12
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?19427-does-anyone-make-a-full-sized-wireless-mouse (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?19427-does-anyone-make-a-full-sized-wireless-mouse)
Also nobody really tested the 4g sensor yet. Nobody can show me evidence either for being as good as razer says it is, nor that is **** and has faults.
Unfortunately people tend to bash instantly on certain things.
Also if you read back, you will see that i marked the sentence "I think they should be both good mice?!" with both a ? and a ! to indicate that i didn't make a statement but an uncertain information-request.
Nevertheless, i tried to help Lester find a replacement for his dying mouse and i have personal very good experience with the Xai i own myself for about 1 year. Therefore i can give a recommendation for it.
And i also showed my interest in those 2 particular mice as they seem to have the greatest technical improvements on the field of (gaming) mice. I don't know if these improvements work and even if they are useful, but both the R.A.T. and the 4g sensor are novelties. That makes them interesting and definitely worth a look at.
I don't mind to be proven that these are "****" but to do so, some evidence (or personal experience) has to be shown to me. Only saying that they are not good, doesn't mean anything. (Except when you are the #1 mice expert in the world. ;) )
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Thx for the info ;) Will most likely go for a xai then!
Any chance you could tell me how the "grip" of the mouse is on the sides and top peda? The thing that annoyed me about the DA always was the slippery / glossy sides it has.
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what makes me think is that he calls it **** with no evidence whatsoever.
I didn't use either of the mentioned mice but first of all, the R.A.T. gets pretty good reviews in general and, even more important in this very forum, there is evidence that the tracking/precision is superior to other mice: look here at post #12
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?19427-does-anyone-make-a-full-sized-wireless-mouse (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?19427-does-anyone-make-a-full-sized-wireless-mouse)
Also nobody really tested the 4g sensor yet. Nobody can show me evidence either for being as good as razer says it is, nor that is **** and has faults.
Unfortunately people tend to bash instantly on certain things.
Also if you read back, you will see that i marked the sentence "I think they should be both good mice?!" with both a ? and a ! to indicate that i didn't make a statement but an uncertain information-request.
Nevertheless, i tried to help Lester find a replacement for his dying mouse and i have personal very good experience with the Xai i own myself for about 1 year. Therefore i can give a recommendation for it.
And i also showed my interest in those 2 particular mice as they seem to have the greatest technical improvements on the field of (gaming) mice. I don't know if these improvements work and even if they are useful, but both the R.A.T. and the 4g sensor are novelties. That makes them interesting and definitely worth a look at.
I don't mind to be proven that these are "****" but to do so, some evidence (or personal experience) has to be shown to me. Only saying that they are not good, doesn't mean anything. (Except when you are the #1 mice expert in the world. ;) )
I had 25+ gaming mice so I know almost everything there is to know about gaming mice and their sensors including mice using the exact same sensor as the r.a.t 3,5,7 and 9 and the sensor in the r.a.t 7 + 9 is horrible
Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032 sensor in the rat 7+9 mice have several issues like tha z-axis bug, the jitter and problems with almost all surfaces than hardpads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OvRDUVwLek
The problem with the avago 9500 sensor in the xai is the 5-6% inconsistent positive acceleration that leads to inaccuracies
The 4g used the exact same Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032 just with a optical sensor added, most likely the avago s3888 so it will still have the same problems as the Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032 and its just a gimmick with high dpi to compete in the dpi race with the other gaming companies.
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what makes me think is that he calls it **** with no evidence whatsoever.
Quite easy to see for yourself.
I think there's this thing called the internet, I've never heard of it though :S
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I had 25+ gaming mice so I know almost everything there is to know about gaming mice and their sensors including mice using the exact same sensor as the r.a.t 3,5,7 and 9 and the sensor in the r.a.t 7 + 9 is horrible
Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032 sensor in the rat 7+9 mice have several issues like tha z-axis bug, the jitter and problems with almost all surfaces than hardpads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OvRDUVwLek
The problem with the avago 9500 sensor in the xai is the 5-6% inconsistent positive acceleration that leads to inaccuracies
The 4g used the exact same Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032 just with a optical sensor added, most likely the avago s3888 so it will still have the same problems as the Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032 and its just a gimmick with high dpi to compete in the dpi race with the other gaming companies.
So what mouse you'd recommand for gaming? :)
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So what mouse you'd recommand for gaming? :)
Depends on your style of grip and handsize
But the best mice possible atm for different gripstyles, judged on build quality and sensor performance
fingertip: zowie mico
clawgrip: cm storm spawn, zowie mico
palm: razer black edition(kinda heavy and bulky. Have a hight lift off distance), mionix naos 3200(prediction)
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I palm grip, got rather large hands.
So the Xai and that good at all? I always thought it was one of the better mouse :P
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I palm grip, got rather large hands.
So the Xai and that good at all? I always thought it was one of the better mouse :P
Its very good build quality. You just need to make sure you can live with 5-6% acceleration. Most people won't notice that
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Its very good build quality. You just need to make sure you can live with 5-6% acceleration. Most people won't notice that
Hmm, probably I wont mind, do you happen to know if the deathadder has any acceleration?
I just wand a mouse with good grip, and it seems the Xai has got a nice surface for good grip, the thing I disliked about the deathadder is the slippery side plastic
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Hmm, probably I wont mind, do you happen to know if the deathadder has any acceleration?
I just wand a mouse with good grip, and it seems the Xai has got a nice surface for good grip, the thing I disliked about the deathadder is the slippery side plastic
The sensor in the deathadder don't have any problems at all. Its basicly flawless except the sensor will still track when you lift it up a little high. Some people don't like that
The new deathadder black edition don't have the slippery sides
http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.224620300/parentCategoryID.35208800/categoryId.40946100
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@Lester: i also palm grip but i have quiet small hands. i feels pretty good as the surface is some kind of 'rubberized plastic' on top and the sides. It shows no sign of usage beside of the steelseries-logo as my palm sits right on top of it.
@Bilbin: thanks for your quiet useless respones. Look at HaliYaa's responses and learn how to argue.
@HaliYaa: thanks for real contribution to the discussion!
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I had 25+ gaming mice so I know almost everything there is to know about gaming mice and their sensors including mice using the exact same sensor as the r.a.t 3,5,7 and 9 and the sensor in the r.a.t 7 + 9 is horrible
I find it a great sensor, mounted in a idiotic mouse.
I can't see any of the problems mentioned in the forums of half world, but the mouse is really uncomfortable to use, no matter the physical configuration.
The side wheel is too back., the aiming button is too far, the whole mouse is too large, the skates placement is odd and so on, but the sensor is damn good and I can't see any Z axis problem.
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Depends on your style of grip and handsize
But the best mice possible atm for different gripstyles, judged on build quality and sensor performance
fingertip: zowie mico
clawgrip: cm storm spawn, zowie mico
palm: razer black edition(kinda heavy and bulky. Have a hight lift off distance), mionix naos 3200(prediction)
Why don't you recommend the Razer Abyssus?
I find it truly amazing. Probably the best mouse I ever had.
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The razer abyssus has jitter issues(not all, the older models) but since you can't check the date on a abyssus it's a gamble to buy one(of course you can try rma). If you get a good one it's one of the best claw crip mice in terms of sensor.
palm: razer black edition(kinda heavy and bulky. Have a hight lift off distance)
The lift of distance problem can be fixed with some tape
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Why don't you recommend the Razer Abyssus?
I find it truly amazing. Probably the best mouse I ever had.
Because you have a good chance of getting one that jitters. If you get one that doesn't jitter then yeah its a good mouse. But alot of people find it uncomfortable too
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I am going to get the xai mouse for my next buy, will let you know if there is positive acceleration or not. i seen mixed reviews, but mostly good!
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I got the xai, used it on both hard and soft pad. Tracking is a bit off, esp with the pos accel on hard.
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I have 2 Xai's here. Both of them are fantastic mice.
If there is any positive acceleration then it is too small for me and my uber gamer Son to have noticed in the months we have been using them.
We use black Qck pads and neither of us have noticed any problems with tracking at all.
I have also tried the DVD test for lift distance and they both stop tracking at 2 DVD's on the Qck pads. So the lift distance is between 1 and 2 DVD's on the soft Qck pads.
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I have also tried the DVD test for lift distance and they both stop tracking at 2 DVD's on the Qck pads. So the lift distance is between 1 and 2 DVD's on the soft Qck pads.
The Xai has something Steelseries describes like that:
"To make sure you always have a 1mm lift distance, the sensor on the SteelSeries Xai automatically adjusts the lift distance, depending on the surface you’re using. If you are a low sensitivity gamer a minimal lift distance is extremely important so that the mouse will shut off the sensor when you lift your mouse up to change position."
cant really make much sense with that :P
@flaming_june: Which mousepads do/did you use?
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Hmm, tough decision on what to choose now! :D
Thx for your input & information everyone ;)
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If it's any consolation, Xai have horrible customer service. I would steer clear of them until they get that corrected. Everyone always recommends the 518 but i hate how it feels. Very cheap. I currently use a Zowie EC2 which feels fantastic. Unfortunately, one of the side buttons is going to ****. So I say try the Mionix 3200 or 5000 depending on whether you like optical or laser, though the laser is expensive.
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I'll just leave this here....
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Microsoft-Habu-Razer-Gaming-Mouse-Win-XP-Vista-7-/390256101985?pt=Mice&hash=item5add138a61#ht_2382wt_1139
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The Xai has something Steelseries describes like that:
"To make sure you always have a 1mm lift distance, the sensor on the SteelSeries Xai automatically adjusts the lift distance, depending on the surface you’re using. If you are a low sensitivity gamer a minimal lift distance is extremely important so that the mouse will shut off the sensor when you lift your mouse up to change position."
cant really make much sense with that :P
@flaming_june: Which mousepads do/did you use?
Talent/Sphex, which is soft and hard. Xai mouse button also has the double click issue where my razer/logitech mouses doesn't/didn't.
Just FYI, the Xai also have the double click with a single click problem.
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Lol my Deathadder is not just double clicking it's starting to triple-click also now :(
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Are you sure you don't have parkinsons?
Maybe a doctor would be better than a mouse.
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Haha yea I'm sure it's not me but my deathadder :P
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oKo1dOM9yQk/TfTwUeLcaBI/AAAAAAAAA2g/-3TvlHdP-9Q/s1600/gaming+mouse+mionix+naos+5000+review.jpg)
Mousing excellence!
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High LOD for most people, also got that mouse acceleration in the sensor. But still a very good mouse for those who aren't looking to play under 1000 dpi.
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i just got a razer naga yesterday and i love it if u need the extra buttons for anything its great. i got it mapped for 10 diffrenent apps so far
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Try lifting up and down the mouse really quickly; You'll see your cursor move diagonally to the bottom right by an inch at a time. It's the PTE sensor. It's not for people who play with low dpi that like to lift off frequently. It also jitters to hell at high mouse speeds.
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eww it does guess thats why they make a dual sensor mouse also but the benefit of the extra buttons in wow and my 3d applications outweighs
the inaccuracy.besides i got a 2ft by 2ft stand that i use my mouse on so i dont ever lift up when im playing. also i have a wacom tablet mouse that i used as my mouse for last 3 years if i need accuracy.
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If you play at high dpi it won't matter since you'll never lift up the mouse.
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Ordered steelseries xai, mionix sensor is prolly better but I like the simple shape / rubberized material from the xai.
Should arrive tomorrow! :)
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nice Lester! I will order mine start of next month when i get some $$$ - let me know how it is for gaming :)!
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A quick tip for the Xai..
I found that the lift distance on some surfaces was a tad too high for my liking. So I stuck a little bit of the sticker that comes with it about a third of the way over the top half of the laser hole.
I now have a Xai with a lift off distance on my Qck pad of less then 1 DVD. It tracks perfectly and hasn't skipped once.
I think they over compensate with the light levels on high DPI mice to make sure they track on as many surfaces as possible. Sometimes this effects the LOD a bit.
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@Bilbin: thanks for your quiet useless respones. Look at HaliYaa's responses and learn how to argue.
Lmao!
You're a joke.
It was /thread after my post but OP is just a post count **** and asked the same questions that kept being answered.
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Lmao!
You're a joke.
It was /thread after my post but OP is just a post count **** and asked the same questions that kept being answered.
You are either an idiot or one of the most arrogant persons i have ever seen.
You think that when you post 'this and that is ****', everybody takes it for granted and it is the ultimate truth. Espacially without any evdince or anything. As far as i know, you are no known expert with lots of eductation and therefore your word is as good as the one i get of a caveman regarding any technology.
Also it was no /thread and lester is not a post-count-**** as the whole tread progressed until this point here (and lester decided to get a Xai). This would also be seen by you if you would be able to read comprehensively.
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Lmao!
You're a joke.
It was /thread after my post but OP is just a post count **** and asked the same questions that kept being answered.
You're talking about me?
If there is something I DONT care about it's some stupid post count lmao.
@ Admin: pls reset my postcount to 0, Bilbin will get happy.
Mouse didn't arrive yet btw :( No idea why, must be jammed somewhere, hope it'll arrive tomorrow maybe ;)
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Mouse arrived today finally after a long time! :)
It feels like a very nice sensor, tracks very good.
Also the feel in the hand is decent, but I do miss the Deathadder shape! (Used it for arround 2 years :P), I miss it especially on my pinky, since it had a right-handed design and this one is ambidextrous, used it for arround 5-10 mins now, starting to get used to it already! :)
Feels solid, plays very nicely.
In case people wonder, the extra 2 buttons on the opposite side don't bother me at all, I never hit them accidentally.
The material used is also very nice, good grip.
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eww it does guess thats why they make a dual sensor mouse also but the benefit of the extra buttons in wow and my 3d applications outweighs
To my knowledge the dual sensor mouse is also based on the PTE.
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Mouse arrived today finally after a long time! :)
In case people wonder, the extra 2 buttons on the opposite side don't bother me at all, I never hit them accidentally.
The material used is also very nice, good grip.
Never been an issue at all for me either. I have not once hit them.
If you are a person that hits them by mistake then just assign then no function.
I know what you mean about getting used to a mouse shape. - I used the intellimouse optical 1.1 for years. That's why, after trying a number of mice for a while I ended up with the Xai. It's like the big brother of the IO 1.1.
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The shape is feeling really nice now, also love the materials used on this mouse.
Did you ever had an issue with the sensor RamaBot? 2 times today I had it teleported at random up in my screen, don't know why it happened tho, but besides that it feels really right, might've been some dust between the sensor or something maybe?
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We haven't had a single glltch with either of the Xais we have here. You my have had it on a surface the sensor doesn't like. Or some dust.
We use Steelseries Qck Mouse Pads here - they are lovely surfaces. The Xai just seems to float on it.
People rate the 4Hd/9HD to for the Xai. I just really like soft pads.
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You think that when you post 'this and that is ****', everybody takes it for granted and it is the ultimate truth.
If you bothered to enter exactly what I say in Google and take 5 minutes of your time to do some reading you would come to the conclusion that everything I say should be taken for granted and that it is undoubtedly the ultimate truth.
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Back on topic:
OP, have you tried installing the razer drivers? There's an option to change double click speed, and changing it might help you out.
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I found that the firmware update does not solve the double click issues completely.
A suggestion was to spray some WD40 on the micro switch itself.
What I did to solve the issue was to solder in a new switch, pretty easy, plus they are quite cheap, these switches