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Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: AMoody on Mon, 11 July 2011, 09:37:17
posted untested/as is but super cheap:

http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Model-M-Keyboard-/160616512249?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D5%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D1268284546656863947
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: prd on Mon, 11 July 2011, 14:40:49
I was just about to bid 1000 USD when I realized it's only 1 board he's selling.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: prd on Mon, 11 July 2011, 18:06:02
I've raised the stakes to [strike]70[/strike] [strike]60[/strike] 50 USD.
Title: damnit
Post by: AdamW on Mon, 11 July 2011, 20:07:37
damn you, amoody. here I found these two poorly titled auctions through careful searching and was sitting on them thinking 'hey, finally I can get a fricking SSK at a reasonable price'. but nooo, you just had to let the insane people in this forum know about it. there goes THAT chance...=)
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: REVENGE on Mon, 11 July 2011, 21:10:07
Quote from: AdamW;378480
damn you, amoody. here I found these two poorly titled auctions through careful searching and was sitting on them thinking 'hey, finally I can get a fricking SSK at a reasonable price'. but nooo, you just had to let the insane people in this forum know about it. there goes THAT chance...=)
Why don't we have a poll for how many people on this forum put in an eBay search for "IBM Keyboard" every 6 hours.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: AMoody on Mon, 11 July 2011, 22:23:08
lol sorry
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 12 July 2011, 10:13:52
Quote from: prd;378411
I've raised the stakes to [strike]70[/strike] [strike]60[/strike] 50 USD.

 
Quote from: AdamW;378480
damn you, amoody. here I found these two poorly titled auctions through careful searching and was sitting on them thinking 'hey, finally I can get a fricking SSK at a reasonable price'. but nooo, you just had to let the insane people in this forum know about it. there goes THAT chance...=)

And off we go![ATTACH=CONFIG]20494[/ATTACH]
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 12 July 2011, 10:17:13
Quote from: prd;378411
I've raised the stakes to [strike]70[/strike] [strike]60[/strike] 50 USD.

 
Quote from: AdamW;378480
damn you, amoody. here I found these two poorly titled auctions through careful searching and was sitting on them thinking 'hey, finally I can get a fricking SSK at a reasonable price'. but nooo, you just had to let the insane people in this forum know about it. there goes THAT chance...=)

And off we go!
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Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: prd on Tue, 12 July 2011, 12:48:28
You shouldn't be upset. Some sharks are always lurking around without sharing. The price would have risen anyway.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: AMoody on Tue, 12 July 2011, 18:19:34
I'm surprised people are paying this much considering they might not work

I wonder if this guy is confused by why his two older/smaller IBM keyboards are at $75 but his newer rubber dome hasn't been bid on.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 12 July 2011, 18:58:31
$76.00 and $81.00, it's a race down to the wire...

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Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: litster on Tue, 12 July 2011, 19:04:48
Quote from: prd;378411
I've raised the stakes to [strike]70[/strike] [strike]60[/strike] 50 USD.

Are you p***c(9)?

Edit: yup, you are.  Are you going to stop at $50, or are you going to snipe it at the last second?
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: AdamW on Tue, 12 July 2011, 22:03:30
amoody: way I figure, M's are so sturdy it's quite unlikely they'd be completely broken; for bad cables or springs or anything minor like that I have a ton of spares. But still, I think $80 + shipping is a bit much. Not sure I'm gonna bid on these now. thanks again :P
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: litster on Tue, 12 July 2011, 22:08:18
Quote from: AdamW;379221
amoody: way I figure, M's are so sturdy it's quite unlikely they'd be completely broken; for bad cables or springs or anything minor like that I have a ton of spares. But still, I think $80 + shipping is a bit much. Not sure I'm gonna bid on these now. thanks again :P

I agree, but the going price is between $110 (if you are lucky), to $200 for a used one.

SSKs on ebay in the last 2 weeks. (http://completed.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=ibm+space+saver+keyboard&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=trackpoint+m4+kb7953+rt3200&_sacat=See-All-Categories&_okw=ibm+space+saver+keyboard&_oexkw=trackpoint+m4+kb7953+rt3200&_adv=1&LH_Complete=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=200&_fpos=Zip+code&_fsct=&LH_SALE_CURRENCY=0&_sop=15&_dmd=1&_ipg=50)
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 12 July 2011, 22:16:28
Quote from: litster;379228
I agree, but the going price is between $110 (if you are lucky), to $200 for a used one.

SSKs on ebay in the last 2 weeks. (http://completed.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=ibm+space+saver+keyboard&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=trackpoint+m4+kb7953+rt3200&_sacat=See-All-Categories&_okw=ibm+space+saver+keyboard&_oexkw=trackpoint+m4+kb7953+rt3200&_adv=1&LH_Complete=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=200&_fpos=Zip+code&_fsct=&LH_SALE_CURRENCY=0&_sop=15&_dmd=1&_ipg=50)

Seems like pricing standards on these is different unfortunately.  If the prices stay put I gues somebody will be getting a relatively good deal.  Almost done, less than an hours now.

HOW...  HIGH...  WILL...  THEY... GO...?

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Oops, now up to $90.98 and $102.50, so much for the prices staying put.  Same bidder n***l currently has high bid on both, he sure wants some IBM space saving keyboards.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 12 July 2011, 22:37:09
Quote from: litster;379228
I agree, but the going price is between $110 (if you are lucky), to $200 for a used one.

SSKs on ebay in the last 2 weeks. (http://completed.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=ibm+space+saver+keyboard&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=trackpoint+m4+kb7953+rt3200&_sacat=See-All-Categories&_okw=ibm+space+saver+keyboard&_oexkw=trackpoint+m4+kb7953+rt3200&_adv=1&LH_Complete=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=200&_fpos=Zip+code&_fsct=&LH_SALE_CURRENCY=0&_sop=15&_dmd=1&_ipg=50)


Seems like pricing standards on these is different unfortunately.  If the prices stay put I gues somebody will be getting a relatively good deal.  Almost done, less than an hours now.

HOW...  HIGH...  WILL...  THEY... GO...?

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Oops, now up to $90.98 and $102.50, so much for the prices staying put.  Same bidder n***l currently has high bid on both, he sure wants some IBM space saving keyboards.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: AdamW on Tue, 12 July 2011, 22:44:26
litster: pricing standards _on the ones that get posted here_. I think there's rather a lot more SSKs moldering away out there than the prices being paid lately suggest; too few of the people who own them realize a) they have them and b) other people want them. I don't think these absurd prices are going to last. I've got four 1391401s and the most I paid for one is $25, four times that much for an SSK is absurd. I know a lot more 1391401s were made than SSKs, but not to the point where SSKs should have such a premium. I'm prepared to wait until a few more sellers discover that they have them lying around, and the nuttier buyers calm down...
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: litster on Tue, 12 July 2011, 22:47:10
keep waiting :) .  SSKs are much more rare than regular Model Ms.  Just compare how many Model Ms are listed and how many SSKs are listed on ebay.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: litster on Tue, 12 July 2011, 22:51:52
BTW, welcome to GeekHack, Adam!
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: litster on Tue, 12 July 2011, 22:58:17
Somebody head shot this!
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: litster on Tue, 12 July 2011, 23:01:37
someone pulled the trigger 2 mins too early!
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 12 July 2011, 23:01:44
Quote from: ripster;379268
Wow, I never knew moldering was a real word.  In gratitude for increasing my vocabulary I won't be posting my Supply/Demand Curve.
Moldering? No wait, guess not...

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Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: litster on Tue, 12 July 2011, 23:04:29
e***s (86) got sniped by e**k (117)!  $121 isn't too bad, if this thing works and in good condition.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: wcass on Tue, 12 July 2011, 23:05:45
$121 is still a good deal. Was it one of us? will #2 go for <$100?
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 12 July 2011, 23:07:11
Quote from: wcass;379287
will #2 go for <$100?
Seems unlikely, I'd probably bet not, and I'm not a betting man usually.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: wcass on Tue, 12 July 2011, 23:13:00
i bet e***s is pissed. #2 on both.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: litster on Tue, 12 July 2011, 23:14:06
No kidding.  Tied bid at $130 toward the end, and the earlier bird got the worm.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 12 July 2011, 23:15:29
Quote from: wcass;379292
i bet e***s is pissed. #2 on both.
Drat, double-sniped, somebody is cursing about now.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 12 July 2011, 23:26:29
Quote from: ripster;379299
Meanwhile his IBM KB-7993 Keyboard at 99cents (http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-KB-7993-Keyboard-/160616507691?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item25657d692b) gets 0 bids.

He's going, "WTF? just happened?".
I've used those, couldn't pay me to take it.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: litster on Tue, 12 July 2011, 23:37:30
That was fun entertainment for a Tuesday night.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: AdamW on Tue, 12 July 2011, 23:49:45
litster: thanks...I've seen the curve, and I am familiar with basic economic principles ;). But it assumes a perfect marketplace, which is a bit like Physics Experiment Land, and especially so in this case; again, there's probably a lot of these lying around in various basements and company stores that the owners have forgotten about, or don't know are even worth selling. And I think the demand is ultimately fairly limited too; however rare the SSKs are I don't think they're rare enough to have intrinsic worth to collectors (especially not used) and the amount of people who really really want one to type on is never going to be _that_ great. Even here among the nutty keyboard enthusiasts, it's clear quite a lot of people prefer different models, and another bunch of people are perfectly happy with (or prefer) having a numeric keypad. So I don't think your curve entirely applies.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 12 July 2011, 23:57:08
I'd love for that logic to be correct but they keep going for the $100-$300 range, even these totally untested and not guaranteed ones went for over $100.  I'd like to get one but am not paying those prices so...
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: theferenc on Wed, 13 July 2011, 00:42:26
One thing that often surprises people about these things is the sheer size. Yeah, it's smaller than the standard 101 key Model M, but it's still nearly as large as a 104 key Filco. These are NOT small keyboards, even if they are tenkeyless.

I do agree though there are more out there than it seems from the rarity on ebay. These things were often used as rack mount keyboards. Anyone here a server admin? When was the last time you changed your server keyboard? I know in the server room across the hall from my office there are 4, for instance. Practically unused. Most of the admins prefer to use the serial console in the front of the room to admin the servers, but the keyboards are there. And no, I can't get them...I've asked. I've even offered replacement rack mount keyboards, but no dice.

Their take: why should we even consider pulling them off the KVM? They work, they will work until the building falls down around them, so what's the point of swapping them?

Then again, we also have a full size 200MB IBM HDD sitting in there, sort of on display. I'm talking about the massive ones, that you needed a cart to move around. So maybe I'm wrong about how many are out there in the wild.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: litster on Wed, 13 July 2011, 01:13:19
Adam, while your assumptions might be right, the current SSK market price is disagreeing with you.  I agree with you that SSKs shouldn't be this expensive, but they are indeed being sold for that much.  That is a fact.  On ebay now, there about 81 model M keyboards listed, while there are only 3 SSKs.  That is a fact.  That is a 27 to 1 ratio.  That is how much less frequently they appear on ebay.  

Even then that is besides the point.  All it takes are 2, only 2, willing bidders to bid up anything.  If there are two people want it bad enough, the winning price will always be 1 incremental bid over the 2nd highest bid.  That's what happened with the SSK I won and the SSKs I didn't win.  When you want it bad enough, you put in a higher maximum bid than the last time when you lost.  And that is what happened to the $1,800 winning price for an M15 last year.  When there were not enough bidders, then you have SSKs sold over just over $100 (happened last week) or less.

All it takes are 2 willing bidders, and all your theories are out of the window :-)

See how pretty they can be? ;)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=20596&d=1307675954)
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: Half-Saint on Wed, 13 July 2011, 02:12:34
These two went for cheap.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: AdamW on Wed, 13 July 2011, 10:52:41
Quote from: litster;379346
Adam, while your assumptions might be right, the current SSK market price is disagreeing with you.  I agree with you that SSKs shouldn't be this expensive, but they are indeed being sold for that much.  That is a fact.  On ebay now, there about 81 model M keyboards listed, while there are only 3 SSKs.  That is a fact.  That is a 27 to 1 ratio.  That is how much less frequently they appear on ebay.  

Even then that is besides the point.  All it takes are 2, only 2, willing bidders to bid up anything.  If there are two people want it bad enough, the winning price will always be 1 incremental bid over the 2nd highest bid.  That's what happened with the SSK I won and the SSKs I didn't win.  When you want it bad enough, you put in a higher maximum bid than the last time when you lost.  And that is what happened to the $1,800 winning price for an M15 last year.  When there were not enough bidders, then you have SSKs sold over just over $100 (happened last week) or less.

All it takes are 2 willing bidders, and all your theories are out of the window :-)

See how pretty they can be? ;)

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=20596&d=1307675954)

 
Current price on eBay, sure. But again, I'm taking a longer term view, and eBay isn't the whole marketplace. It's not where I buy my 1391401s for a start. =)
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: MissileMike on Wed, 13 July 2011, 12:55:34
Okay I will admit to sniping the second one.  121$ was actually my max bid.

These boards look pretty rough- definitely going to need some TLC...
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: wanabe on Wed, 13 July 2011, 13:02:59
i predict that the price of gold plummet once we drill to the center of the earth and find a huge cache of undiscovered reserves.  for now it will cost you over $1k to buy an ounce
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: litster on Wed, 13 July 2011, 13:13:27
Quote from: AdamW;379511
Current price on eBay, sure. But again, I'm taking a longer term view, and eBay isn't the whole marketplace. It's not where I buy my 1391401s for a start. =)

Certainly people find them in garage sales, estate sales, recycling centers, closed out businesses, etc.  That's how sellers get them and sell them on ebay.  On my NIB SSK, there is a $19.99 sticker on the cardboard box.  If you can find them cheap, the more power to you!  And you should sell them to us with just a small markup.  Or would you rather sell them on ebay to make more money?  ;)
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: TexasFlood on Wed, 13 July 2011, 20:04:54
Someday I'll find a deal my cheap gene will allow, someday...
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Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: TexasFlood on Wed, 13 July 2011, 20:07:22
Someday I'll find a deal my cheap gene will allow, someday...

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Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: TexasFlood on Wed, 13 July 2011, 20:16:45
Someday I'll find a deal my cheap gene will allow...

Someday...

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Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: litster on Wed, 13 July 2011, 20:16:53
Adam is cool.  Civil conversation.  I hope he is right and we all get to buy SSKs for cheap and enjoy one of the finest human creations.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: keyboardlover on Wed, 13 July 2011, 20:30:04
Quote from: ripster;379895
He doesn't yell at me or call me racist.


I wouldn't feel bad. Welly called me racist once.

IIRC, it was because I posted this photo claiming Obama was a Republican in disguise.

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/60620/thumbs/s-BARACK-THE-ELEPHANT-large.jpg)
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: litster on Wed, 13 July 2011, 20:33:31
noodles called me racist once, and then I bought his Filco MX Blue.  We are good buddies!
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: AdamW on Thu, 14 July 2011, 11:47:35
wanabe: people have been trading gold for several thousand years, and the supply of it is pretty well established. Just about everyone in the world knows that gold is valuable and if they have it they can sell it. The gold market is about as mature as any market that exists and pricing is consistent all over the world. I submit to you that the same conditions do not entirely obtain in the second-hand IBM keyboard market. ;)
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: wanabe on Thu, 14 July 2011, 11:58:13
that was a joke.  i don't believe that perfect markets will ever exist, theyre good in theory but it takes time for information to flow.  it's the reason why i would pick up a dollar bill from the sidewalk even though any rational economist would tell me that i'm wasting my time.

right now ebay is pretty much the marketplace for these things so i would say that it gives us a fair representation of the current price.  it's of course a smaller market than gold, so some volatility should be expected.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: theferenc on Thu, 14 July 2011, 14:12:10
I thought I had posted this, but apparently I hadn't. The price of SSKs on Taobao is only about $40. And some chick on there apparently has an almost unlimited supply, too. She seems to come and go, but when she's there, they are only 275 RMB. At least, they were a couple months ago when I was there.

So, in the west, the market is claiming they are worth a premium. In China, the ones that are priced similar to the west don't sell, and the ones that do sell for about the same price as a regular Model M.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: MissileMike on Thu, 14 July 2011, 17:27:54
Quote from: theferenc;380387
I thought I had posted this, but apparently I hadn't. The price of SSKs on Taobao is only about $40. And some chick on there apparently has an almost unlimited supply, too. She seems to come and go, but when she's there, they are only 275 RMB. At least, they were a couple months ago when I was there.

So, in the west, the market is claiming they are worth a premium. In China, the ones that are priced similar to the west don't sell, and the ones that do sell for about the same price as a regular Model M.

I have tried a couple of times to get these on Taobao, but they're never actually available.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: TexasFlood on Thu, 14 July 2011, 17:54:51
Quote from: MissileMike;380510
I have tried a couple of times to get these on Taobao, but they're never actually available.
Coincidentally I also have an almost unlimited supply of unavailable Space Saving keyboards, want to buy one? :lie:

Wish I could get lucky and find a source that the larger market demand didn't have access to therefore lowing the price.  See what I did there Ripster?  Your graph can't hurt me, :wink:.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: litster on Thu, 14 July 2011, 18:18:28
Quote from: TexasFlood;380523
Coincidentally I also have an almost unlimited supply of unavailable Space Saving keyboards, want to buy one? :lie:

Wish I could get lucky and find a source that the larger market demand didn't have access to therefore lowing the price.  See what I did there Ripster?  Your graph can't hurt me, :wink:.

This is exactly what I did, in World of Warcraft.  I had two accounts.  Both on the same server, one account is Alliance, the other Hoard.  I found out what was cheap in one faction's auction house but expensive in the other faction's AH, and I traded them at the neutral AH.  Made a lot of gold.  But then I got bored.

This is totally doable, in virtual worlds.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: keyboardlover on Thu, 14 July 2011, 18:48:29
Nerd alert.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: litster on Thu, 14 July 2011, 19:17:04
Quote from: keyboardlover;380556
Nerd alert.

It is "Applied Economics".  LOL!
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: theferenc on Thu, 14 July 2011, 19:59:45
Apparently the two I ordered showed up after I left the country, so 妈妈陈 sent them back for me. But they do actually exist. Apparently the women sells them to you, then goes and fetches them from where ever it is she gets them, but sometimes it takes a week or so.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: theferenc on Thu, 14 July 2011, 20:27:46
Well, considering she doesn't actually have them on hand, it makes sense that selling low keeps people reasonable.

But you're right, it isn't particularly in keeping with Chinese culture. I've always thought the Scottish and the Chinese had a very similar view towards business and money.
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Post by: MissileMike on Fri, 15 July 2011, 12:25:04
My board arrived today.  Dirty, but in very good condition otherwise...  Keycaps seem to have minimal wear.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: litster on Fri, 15 July 2011, 12:41:43
Quote from: MissileMike;380950
My board arrived today.  Dirty, but in very good condition otherwise...  Keycaps seem to have minimal wear.

According to your sig, this would be your 8th SSK?  Congrats for a good deal!
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: Mazora on Fri, 15 July 2011, 13:12:38
I wonder what MissileMike does with all these SSKs
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: theferenc on Fri, 15 July 2011, 14:48:42
Or the other 20+ buckling spring keyboards. Maybe he runs an old school internet cafe?
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: TexasFlood on Fri, 15 July 2011, 15:10:20
Quote from: Mazora;380976
I wonder what MissileMike does with all these SSKs

Quote from: theferenc;381019
Or the other 20+ buckling spring keyboards. Maybe he runs an old school internet cafe?
(http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/modelM_boxed.jpg)

(http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/keyboard_cellar.jpg)
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: MissileMike on Fri, 15 July 2011, 21:54:41
They mainly just sit in boxes in my basement, except for my main ssk that I use every day.  I guess I am just a collector.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: BiNiaRiS on Fri, 15 July 2011, 22:14:16
Quote from: MissileMike;381221
They mainly just sit in boxes in my basement, except for my main ssk that I use every day.  I guess I am just a collector.

Thank you for contributing to SSKs high prices by not using 7 of them while the rest of us try and bid on one and not spend a fortune.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: REVENGE on Fri, 15 July 2011, 22:47:50
Quote from: BiNiaRiS;381239
Thank you for contributing to SSKs high prices by not using 7 of them while the rest of us try and bid on one and not spend a fortune.
1. Buy SSKs and never use them
2. ????
3. PROFIT?
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: TexasFlood on Sat, 16 July 2011, 00:15:49
Quote from: BiNiaRiS;381239
Thank you for contributing to SSKs high prices by not using 7 of them while the rest of us try and bid on one and not spend a fortune.

Sadly for you and I, at least for now...

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Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: MissileMike on Sat, 16 July 2011, 07:17:16
Quote from: BiNiaRiS;381239
Thank you for contributing to SSKs high prices by not using 7 of them while the rest of us try and bid on one and not spend a fortune.

That would be true if all mine came from ebay, but only two have, and I have only bid on one other ssk on ebay- the prices have very little to do with me.  But fine, Biniaris, do you want the one I just bought for exactly what I paid?  If so, just PayPal me, you know my address.  I am not trying to profit or horde, I just wanted a 1391472 for my collection :(
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: MissileMike on Sat, 16 July 2011, 07:29:36
Actually, though, you do have a point in that I do not need so many...  Going to sell them all off!
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: prd on Sat, 16 July 2011, 08:32:44
Watch out there! You're gonna lower the price.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: Sam on Mon, 18 July 2011, 19:50:52
Quote from: BiNiaRiS;381239
Thank you for contributing to SSKs high prices by not using 7 of them while the rest of us try and bid on one and not spend a fortune.

I fail to understand this.  There's been and continues to be a flood of SSKs available on eBay, some going for near the $100 range.  Yet you ended up buying one from MissleMike for $250, the same price they've been selling at for several months?  What held you back till now from getting one?

I'm sure there's a bunch of people that are interested to get a SSK, but don't want to pay more than normal Model M prices.  That'll likely never happen, unless they get lucky and find a rare sale, from a seller who doesn't know what they're worth, before anyone else sees it.  But just because they want one, does that mean some seller should sell below the market price just so they can get one?  Sorry, but I cannot agree.  It's a free-market economy, and the prices for SSKs will be set by free market conditions, namely supply and demand.  (And no, Ripster, we don't need your S&D curve again, we've seen it enough, thanks.)

Anyways, if you look at the sales of SSKs, it's not any one person buying them all.  MissleMike's purchases are only a very small amount of the total sales and do very little if any to jack up the prices.  The prices are high because a lot of people are after a limited quantity of goods.  If $100 - $150, the price for a few good meals, for an excellent designed keyboard which will last you for many years, if not decades, is too much to spend, then you probably have your priorities elsewhere.  If so, no need to complain about not being able to get something for cheap.  Now if you're a student or someone else on a very tight budget, then I feel for you, but again you simply have to accept the economics of the situation.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: TexasFlood on Tue, 19 July 2011, 16:55:26
IIRC those $250 SSKs from MissileMike were NIB.  I don't think it's accurate to say "There's been and continues to be a flood of SSKs available on eBay, some going for near the $100 range." with regard to NIB units.  So if you want NIB, seemingly you have to be prepared to pay the premium.  I personally am not prepared to pay that premium but obviously some are.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: MissileMike on Tue, 19 July 2011, 17:16:05
The new ones have been going for close to 400 on ebay, actually.
Title: Two model M space savers on ebay- 1 day left @ $15
Post by: Sam on Tue, 19 July 2011, 19:30:02
Quote from: TexasFlood;383535
IIRC those $250 SSKs from MissileMike were NIB.  I don't think it's accurate to say "There's been and continues to be a flood of SSKs available on eBay, some going for near the $100 range." with regard to NIB units.


Yes, but this thread is about used SSKs, not NIB SSKs, and BiNiaRiS commented on MissileMike's "hoarding" them (used SSKs) was preventing him from getting one for a reasonable price.  So it seemed to me that he was looking for a used SSK, but didn't have $100 - $150, which was the going rate for many of the used SSKs.  But being he ended up paying $250 for a NIB one, he obviously did have the money to buy a used SSK.  Thus my failure to understand his original complaint.

Ok, please don't anyone take my comments the wrong way.  I'm not trying to come down too hard on anyone for their comments.  Just I see the constant complaints about not being able to afford a SSK, when there are plenty of reasonably priced ones out there, and don't quite understand why the complainers don't just spend the time to find a unit on eBay.  NIB obviously costs a pretty penny, but if you don't have that kind of cash, you'll simply have to settle for used.

I'm with you.  I don't think the premium for new SSKs is worth it, so I don't buy.