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Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: Avazee on Wed, 27 July 2011, 22:58:48: One of the biggest reasons I still use my Omnikey 101 as my primary keyboard is the amazing repeat rate. If I want to scroll down a few pages, holding down the arrow key or Pg Dn button is MUCH faster than any other keyboard I've used. Or, if I want to delete a sentence or two from a paragraph, it literally takes 1 second, as opposed to the 4-10 it would take a non-Omnikey.

I know it has a built in repeater that's independent of the OS.. so does any other keyboard have this type of speed/functionality?
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: REVENGE on Thu, 28 July 2011, 03:43:32: http://tinyurl.com/3uzvwyz
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: 4LI4Z on Thu, 28 July 2011, 12:34:53: I think the zowie celeritas has a switchable repeat rate.
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: sordna on Thu, 28 July 2011, 13:04:16: The PS/2 version of the Kinesis Advantage has an on-board adjustable repeate rate. The USB versions do not. The Kinesis controller is really amazing, 2 fully programmable layers, macros, on-board programmability of everything, audible click, layout switching, footswitch support, ...
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: kps on Thu, 28 July 2011, 15:39:49: USB keyboards don't (normally) repeat; it's up to the host to decide that holding a key down for a while means something special.
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: REVENGE on Thu, 28 July 2011, 23:41:55: If a software solution will suffice, you can change some config settings in whatever OS you're running.
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: TexasFlood on Thu, 28 July 2011, 23:51:39: I went out and looked at the Northgate keyboard manual scans still available at Lueck Data Systems (http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/Northgate_OmniKey_Keyboards) and found the bleow which might be of interest, under "User's Guide for OmniKey's with DIP switches under a trap door on the top/left corner" in my case.
(http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/attach/omnikey/omnikey_2_14.jpg)
(http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/attach/omnikey/omnikey_2_15.jpg)
(http://www.lueckdatasystems.com/attach/omnikey/omnikey_2_16.jpg)
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: sordna on Fri, 29 July 2011, 00:20:34: My USB numpad (the Takumi calculator or ALPSulator) arrived today, in black, and I noticed when I hold down a key it does not repeat. Ripster, do you notice this too? The top arrow keys and equals sign auto-repeat, but the number keys and /*-+ signs do not.
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: Input Nirvana on Fri, 29 July 2011, 00:26:41: Quote from: sordna;388819
The PS/2 version of the Kinesis Advantage has an on-board adjustable repeate rate. The USB versions do not. The Kinesis controller is really amazing, 2 fully programmable layers, macros, on-board programmability of everything, audible click, layout switching, footswitch support, ...

I'm getting....aroused.
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: sordna on Fri, 29 July 2011, 01:37:58: Not only that, the amount of maximum macros you select apparently affects the scanning rate. So you have an adjustable scanning rate too, however I'm not sure what the rates are, any ideas?
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: woody on Tue, 02 August 2011, 11:48:10: Quote from: kps;388927
USB keyboards don't (normally) repeat; it's up to the host to decide that holding a key down for a while means something special.
This.
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: sordna on Tue, 02 August 2011, 12:00:30: Except when a device sends a keyup and keydown even if you hold down the key. That's what the ALPSulator does... so it cannot auto-repeat, which is bit of a bummer.
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: alaricljs on Tue, 02 August 2011, 12:02:41: Means they should have put auto-repeat into the firmware
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: sordna on Tue, 02 August 2011, 13:15:04: No, it means they should have NOT put an automatic keyup in the firmware.
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: alaricljs on Tue, 02 August 2011, 13:18:23: I'm wondering if it has to do with their toggling numlock with the keypresses... or just a lazy programmer
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: sordna on Tue, 02 August 2011, 14:31:38: Funny you mention toggling numlock. Indeed in windows mode, the Takumi ALPSulator with every press seems to toggle numlock and push/release the number key (I'm using linux by the way). So I switched the device to mac mode, which behaves much better (no numlock stuff, unless I hit numlock myself). But either way, the number keys do not auto-repeat, even a long press will show a keypress event, immediately followed by a keyrelease event. The weirder thing is that some keys like the = (or enter) do autorepeat on this numpad. Oh well, I can live with it, I just won't be using this thumpad for mousekeys, since I can't hold down the key to move the pointer more than 1 pixel at a time :-)
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: didjamatic on Tue, 02 August 2011, 14:36:45: Northgate FTW as usual.
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: sordna on Tue, 02 August 2011, 14:41:16: Quote from: ripster;391728
I believe Filco does the same Numlock trick. So does my Kinesis keypad. Otherwise the keypad isn't laptop friendly.

Can't a regular Numlock button work? Also, do other numpads lack auto-repeat, or just the ALPSulator ?
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: woody on Tue, 02 August 2011, 14:43:09: Quote from: sordna;391610
Except when a device sends a keyup and keydown even if you hold down the key. That's what the ALPSulator does... so it cannot auto-repeat, which is bit of a bummer.

Perhaps just a different kind of descriptor.
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: alaricljs on Tue, 02 August 2011, 14:45:21: The reason to toggle numlock is that some keyboards (like laptops) will change important keys when you have numlock on. Since numlock is a system-wide state you end up with numbers coming out the right side of your alpha-block on laptops and Choc Mini's and others.
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: sordna on Tue, 02 August 2011, 14:49:50: Aha, makes sense, thank you! I'm glad my numpad has this behavior configurable (disguised as windows mode and mac mode).

Still wondering if other USB numpads on the market support holding down a key for games or for auto-repeat, whoever has different USB numpads please let me know!
Title: Does any keyboard have the repeat rate of an Omnikey?
Post by: kps on Tue, 02 August 2011, 15:29:22: Quote from: kps;388927
USB keyboards don't (normally) repeat; it's up to the host to decide that holding a key down for a while means something special.

... and the latest version of OS X has added an option such that holding a key down pops up a menu of accented variants, rather than repeating.

But that's OK.

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