different size?
i have two different colors. so many problems with mech boards, going back to my g15
I have taken keycaps off for the very first time on my daily driver Kinesis with browns so I could put on the doubleshots. I had to stop several times and regroup, the keycaps were on so tight! On about 15, it was scary-switch-might-pull-apart-tight. To push on the doubleshots was a bit uncomfortable as well.
That is a great answer CTN. I think I'm going to try some cherry reds now. Got the browns; love them, but I want to test what other switches are like.
Ta.
Nuts! I thought they would $1.50 USD for a package of 20-25 springs retail.
At least we've established the Cherry MX stem size doesn't vary.
Not yet.
There are tolerances when dealing with manufacturing. Not every plastic mold is identical down to the micron. And not every batch of plastic is 100% the same consistency. Things vary.
Micron is pretty small.
I get 4.01mm.
What do you get?
I just measured a few keys of my red vs my brown.
Not much difference between the Vertical and Horizontal parts of the stem 4.03mm (Brown) vs 4.02mm (Red)
Red and Brown measure the same except for the thickness of the Vertical part of the stem.
Brown is 1.1mm and Red is 1.07mm.
Red stems are slightly smaller than the Brown stems.
Well, that clears things up.
I think we should do a poll.
I'm just glad it turned out to not be a Filco issue.
However I truly doubt the Filco Red Cherrys have smaller stems than the other stems.
Have you eliminated the keys as being the variable?
Why would anyone think Cherry Corp would change the size of their stems? Sounds like one of these Krazy Ass Korean KBDmania theories.
Although it's odd the Cherry MX datasheet has an old picture of their stems.
I would have thought the chemists would have figured out plastic dyes that don't do that in the last 50 years.
It this an Italian theory?
I just measured a few keys of my red vs my brown.
Not much difference between the Vertical and Horizontal parts of the stem 4.03mm (Brown) vs 4.02mm (Red)
Red and Brown measure the same except for the thickness of the Vertical part of the stem.
Brown is 1.1mm and Red is 1.07mm.
Red stems are slightly smaller than the Brown stems.
FYI Italy is world leader on molds, and here in the neighbor I have a lot of clients that do modeling from tiny components, to car's bumpers, to UFO's (http://arteky.wordpress.com/mariko-mori/) (the aliens you see are built in Italy by a client of my ex coworker and the electronic inside is entirely my work, the UFO shown in NYC, is built by the same company and most of the electronics inside is made by my ex coworker with my contribution).
So... Yes Italy is a good place to ask about molds.
If I had a micrometer, I'd definitely measure.
All I know is that the same keycap when fitted to multiple stems on my blue, black, and brown boards fits snugly. However, the very same keycap when fitted to either the Filco Linear R, or Poker w/ Reds fits very loosely.
That's all the science I need to know that, at least in my particular batch of reds, the stems are slightly smaller than the rest.
Maybe. Not Signature Plastics.
I recently added this to the Cherry MX Stem after arguing in the "My Red Cherries have smaller stems" thread. I like Socratic debate as a way of furthering Keyboard Science. Some people at Geekhack hate that style.Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=24010&d=1313168044)
Well of course the keys will have slightly bigger dimensions to take into account texture of the plastic and some play.
Have you tried the SAME key on both color stems. First eliminate Keys as the variable.
Keyboard Science 101.
I would check that key thing but I'm kinda busy with that whole ping thing. These KBCs sure fit fine on my Red Cherry though.
Have you tried the SAME key on both color stems. First eliminate Keys as the variable.
Keyboard Science 101.
A scientist should learn the difference between a constant and a variable.Which is how you remove it as a variable, by testing the same cap. Until someone tests it with the same cap (assuming that hasn't already happened), you have two variables and you're gonna get nowhere except a good 'ol Internet Argument.
If the same keycap fits differently on different stems the keycap is the constant not the variable.
Which is how you remove it as a variable, by testing the same cap. Until someone tests it with the same cap (assuming that hasn't already happened), you have two variables and you're gonna get nowhere except a good 'ol Internet Argument.
Using The Solutor as a Tool I have determined Italian Keyboard Science is vastly different than American Keyboard Science.