They're back! And wayyyy more expensive!But they are *limited*! Must be why the are more expensive! In all fairness, it's still cheaper to order them from EK than from Asia thru a broker. Plus they are *limited*! ;-)
I don't know WHY I bothered registering with the Elitekeyboards newsletter when clearly he's filtering out anyone that's a member of Geekhack.
And $345? I had to get out my calculator but that's not quite the doubling in price that my NIB IBM Minis have appreciated since 2009.
But anyhoo, I was just saying the other day to the Aussie guy to wait.....
I wonder what the product label looks like. Maybe a little Elitekeyboards logo on it?
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Why would they do that?
Also
HHKBs now 300!! WUT??
The KBC Poker may not be perfect but goddamn; if you can get a Poker w/ PBT's for around $100 is the HHKB really worth $200 more?
I wanted to try a uniform topre but if it's going to be over three bills before shipping forget it.
Not to be a whiner but where are the Silent HHKBs?
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Just ordered an SE1700 black. I think other versions will be available. Also check out the red, blue, white, and orange keycaps for realforce. Cheaper than the last group buy. But EK doesn't have my yellow keycaps.
Why would they do that?
Also
HHKBs now 300!! WUT??
The KBC Poker may not be perfect but goddamn; if you can get a Poker w/ PBT's for around $100 is the HHKB really worth $200 more?
I wanted to try a uniform topre but if it's going to be over three bills before shipping forget it.
[edit]haven't received my newsletter yet. any chance someone can attach it here?
I think that I will stick with David(IOmania) instead of buying from EK just because:
Anybody understand why The Keyboard Company can offer shipping worldwide for less than 30$ and EK still keeps offering the ultra expensive 50$ shipping?
David sent me 3 sets of keycaps for only 40$ from Korea. So what's wrong with EK offering that bad shipping service?
I feel like a fool since if I buy from EK I will have to pay for sure custom duties, I will have to pay very expensive shipping and to add the final piece of bread I don't have warranty from them. Perfect combo
This is only true for US buyers, if you look at the price for us Europeans for example it is more expensive at the end.
EK doesn't like us European keyboard enthusiasts.As long as he like Canadians better than Europeans, I'm fine with it (since I live in Canada, and not because I don't like Europeans). But at 30$ to ship to Canada, he doesn't like us better by much!
And then I find it's ABS.
Now it's shinier than Howie Mandel.
Sheesh.
In writing this is known as a metaphor.
Yesterday's english lesson was "does not bode well". Today's is "metaphor".
Don't they teach English in Canada or do all the French lessons leave little time for vocabulary?
He do not even offer warranty for us Europeans.
We will not falsify the value of international shipments so PLEASE do not ask!
Even The Keyboard Company doesn't like Europeans. They don't sell HHKBs.
Then there's leetspeak.
As in "My 87U is suddenly less leet except for my Clear Topre ClickClack keys".
You may be wondering why Elitekeyboards raised the prices so significantly.
Thank RiGS (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?20156-Realforce-OLD-vs-NEW).
You may be wondering why Elitekeyboards raised the prices so significantly.
Thank RiGS (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?20156-Realforce-OLD-vs-NEW).
As much as I would like to snag one of these, I think 345+ shipping is asking a little too much. So far my 86u has been more than great and I bought it for half what EK is asking.
Yeah, we tinfoil hat people prefer to buy metal, but according to DHS it is a suspicious activity.
EKs pricing scheme always seem off to me.
-Keyboard Company lists their tenkeyless Filco models cheaper than the fullsize, where EK listed the tenkeyless higher when he had them
-Keyboard Company lists their new Topre 88 key models cheaper than the 86U, where EK has a huge markup on their 87U vs
i get it, EK is free to price his products however he pleases, but it seems like either he's getting screwed on his supply side or his customers are
I get it, wanabe is free to speak as he pleases, but it seems like he either doesn't do any research, or just doesn't know what he's talking about:)
I wish there was a 40g version (or perhaps a 35g version).
Maybe I have to buy like 20 87U's and switch them all out.
How does the silent and non silent version compare?
both really, i was just commenting on the pricing as a consumer..speculating i guess you might say.
GLWS, you just lost yourself a paying customer
I lost a "paying" (redundant) customer because I corrected you and then, almost verbatim, reformatted your own speculation of me "screwing" my customers just to joke with you a little...and that crossed the line?
Grow a spine man.
Nothing worse about being incorrect than whining about it and throwing in the towel when someone calls you on it.
I'm not trying to troll or be contrary just for the hell of it. I work hard getting stuff from Japan into the states and I try to do so at world market prices or better. Heck, sometimes with the speed the exchange rates are changing I'm selling stuff just for the elite lulz and hardly making a dime, hence prices have to go up sometimes so I can stay in business.
BTW, for those who asked, more models of the 87U, i.e uniform weightings, are on the way this month.
Will the pricing of the uniform weight models be the same as the variable? Also, any chance of getting the yellow lettered Topre keycap sets?
I lost a "paying" (redundant) customer because I corrected you and then, almost verbatim, reformatted your own speculation of me "screwing" my customers just to joke with you a little...and that crossed the line?
Grow a spine man.
Nothing worse about being incorrect than whining about it and throwing in the towel when someone calls you on it.
I'm not trying to troll or be contrary just for the hell of it. I work hard getting stuff from Japan into the states and I try to do so at world market prices or better. Heck, sometimes with the speed the exchange rates are changing I'm selling stuff just for the elite lulz and hardly making a dime, hence prices have to go up sometimes so I can stay in business.
BTW, for those who asked, more models of the 87U, i.e uniform weightings, are on the way this month.
I have no problem with the pricing and will probly be picking up a uniform weighted when they show up later this month (hopefully in white) but you do have a tendency of kind of talking down to people on these forums, sometimes its just better to let people speculate and stay out of the conversation.
Trust me, I let A LOT of speculation go by!
Generally, when a sentence ends in a smiley face, I don't assume ill intent, if someone else does, then what can I say...I don't know how to communicate with them by text, so our "text" relationship is going to end there. This happens in life sometimes when two people don't "click," and often for good reason. I move on...
Whatever the case, when someone uses phrases like "screwing customers," expect me to take issue, and on occasion, actually speak up. I don't assume anyone else likes people speaking so cavalierly about their work and decision making skills; I think I deserve the same consideration.
anyhoo...
As for the 87U uniform and silent models inquiries above; there will be multiple uniform models down the line (how soon I can't say) and the silencing does not affect the downstroke, only the sound of the key as it springs back into place.
Oh, and the Leopold JP thing has been address elsewhere in the forum a couple times, basically distribution has changed and they aren't necessary. More Leopold keyboards to come:)
Think bananas.
It's QUITE yellow in real life.Show Image(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/eddie84/OCN/Mech%20keyboard%20club/Wrist%20rest/DSC06040.jpg)
I call dibs on the first all 45g white one you receive.
Hey, since my taxes aren't going to raised anytime soon I'm jiggy with it. I just wish it was the HHKB3 with dedicated arrow keys.
I lost a "paying" (redundant) customer because I corrected you and then, almost verbatim, reformatted your own speculation of me "screwing" my customers just to joke with you a little...and that crossed the line?
Grow a spine man.
Nothing worse about being incorrect than whining about it and throwing in the towel when someone calls you on it.
I'm not trying to troll or be contrary just for the hell of it. I work hard getting stuff from Japan into the states and I try to do so at world market prices or better. Heck, sometimes with the speed the exchange rates are changing I'm selling stuff just for the elite lulz and hardly making a dime, hence prices have to go up sometimes so I can stay in business.
BTW, for those who asked, more models of the 87U, i.e uniform weightings, are on the way this month.
An HHKB3 would be awesome. I uuse the dedicated arrow keys a lot.
Does anyone have a photo of the blue keys on a black keyboard?
I'm just concerned they may look a bit too "baby blue".
I meant a "good photo" :D
Does anyone have a photo of the blue keys on a black keyboard?
I'm just concerned they may look a bit too "baby blue".
BTW, for those who asked, more models of the 87U, i.e uniform weightings, are on the way this month.
In theory shouldn't the uniform Topre be less expensive to make?
Topre - Keycap set - Dye sub, PBT, rough texture - $110
Unicomp - Keycap set - Dye sub, PBT, rough texture - $25
Wut?
Topre - Keycap set - Dye sub, PBT, rough texture - $110
Unicomp - Keycap set - Dye sub, PBT, rough texture - $25
Wut?
Pricing will be the same across the line. The colored keycaps are a hit, so you probably haven't seen the last of them;)
I just wish the Topre engineers would think about people resting their fingers on the home row.
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I assume the poor design is due to huffing dye fumes sampling prototypes from those $110 limited edition keysets. Now THAT'S where the profit is.
What's so funny is my second post at Geekhack was questioning what idiot would pay $35 for a colored WASD/Esc Key set? (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?5578-HH-realforce-esc-wasd-puller-on-UK&p=82011&viewfull=1#post82011) Unfortunately Webwit's post is there no more. It was a classic.
If anyone's interested in an 87U at a decent price, pm me. It's for sale.
I want to get an all 45g or 55g. Conus preferred.
At least we were careful not to threadcrap your Classified thread.
I just hate that.
ripster I owe you a beer. You just saved me $300+. Thanks.
They're back! And wayyyy more expensive!
And given how lazy Topre engineers seem to be I'd be surprised if they changed it for the colored key sets but ya never know until you try Keyboard Science!
ripster I owe you a beer. You just saved me $300+. Thanks.
Leopold has it but I don't think Elitekeyboards can get a hold of it due to it being a custom Topre run for Leopold.
Rumor was it was some large Korean corporate standard to have 55g keyboards. Sounds like one of those flakey Internet rumors like Cherry Reds being smuggled into Filco factories in Christopher Walken's ass.
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Too bad they don't have a uniform 55g 87U. I woulda bought one the instant I saw it.
Fedex came today... Thock Thock Thock
As for the 87U uniform and silent models inquiries above; there will be multiple uniform models down the line (how soon I can't say) and the silencing does not affect the downstroke, only the sound of the key as it springs back into place.
Just bought one from there, and shipped to me last week, still testing it out, but so far liking it, feels tamer than the pro 2, at first didn't notice the loss of travel, but now that i have typed on it a little, i can feel the difference, as for whether the type s really stands for speed or just advertising hocus pocus, i need some more time before i can safely comment on that.
I am just waiting until i can get someone to help me do a blindfold/ear muff test to see if i can feel the difference between with or without type S. I wish i can get a real force low noise in for the test as well, but i can't afford 3 topres...
Oh btw i noticed people were moaning about pinging, my type S has a slight ping on the space bar, i tried taking it apart and knocking on the various parts, and the high pitch ring seems to come from the key cap itself (try hitting the key cap with the case or other key caps the noise is surprisingly high pitch)... not a big issue, but being a type S, that is the most prominent noise the keyboard makes... My pro 2 has the same problem (a much worse case of it) some time after a few weeks use of it, it lost the nice thock on the space bar, and is now giving a very mechanical sound, and its weird because the noise is made when typed with my right thumb, but not with my left thumb, tried taking the thing apart and messed with it for ages to no avail..
brief note on impression so far (only 1.5 weeks of use), feels more linear with the loss of the little bit of travel at the top, especially noticeable when typing at high speed, unlike the brown (never tried any other MX cherries so cannot compare with blue etc) the faster you type the lower the tactile, i feet that the pro 2's tactile response doesn't go away with speed, if i may use a metaphor, it is kinda like slappaing water, the faster you hit it, the more forceful the response. So the type s loses alittle bit of that, i never even realised that until i tried the type s, and then tried to compare it back to the pro 2. With all that said the difference is minimal, and it is much more accurate to say that it is just the pro 2 with less noise topping out, as expected, as advertised.
Another thing i noted, if you just run your fingers lightly over the keytops on the pro 2, it makes a noise (like all keyboards would), and i was thinking the type S wouldn't (or at least less), but it doesn't damp that noise, it makes the same noise, the only noise damped is when the key is coming up, not sure how this is relevant in day to day use, but it is something i noted.
Fedex came today... Thock Thock Thock
It's probably the same as the O-Ring Cherry MX mod. About .2mm less travel so it's not much but you know it's there.
Seems like EliteKeyboards is not very responsive to customer queries. Sent them a question on future inventory and no replies at all.
Actually it looks quite nice on that 103UB.
Even though the space bar is shorter than the original, it still looks pretty good. I had figure that if I bought a set for my 86UB, I would not swap out the original space bar but now I think I may since it looks ok with the shorter space bar of the 87Us.
Even though the space bar is shorter than the original, it still looks pretty good. I had figure that if I bought a set for my 86UB, I would not swap out the original space bar but now I think I may since it looks ok with the shorter space bar of the 87Us.
I agree with them... the shorter space bar looks fine. Actually kind of cool.
What's the general consensus nowadays: reverse the space bar a-la Sensitive Thumbs RiGS or use the default orientation; remove the spring under it or keep it?
Kinda busy and the space bar obviously doesn't fit, but helps me combat seasonal affective disorder.
So what Topre keyboard are these sets a perfect match for? Or is there not one?
I've got an 87UB that is currently wearing yellow caps from the group buy. And a set of red lettered caps just arrived today from EK. Not sure what I'm going to do with them yet
Congrats on the keycaps. The keyboard looks great!
So what the hell is Topre thinking? They have a set of keycaps that's mostly for the 103 except the spacebar isn't? It's obviously not for a TKL since all the extra keycaps are there. And it's also not quite for the 87U since it doesn't have the correct swapped Control/Capslock keys without/with windows.
Woah, Immediately after I posted, Kisakuku posts a reply with the same colors in his avatar.
Win3.1 Hot Dog Stand was underrated.
Ah, the phone camera strikes again. Further up in this post my phone camera made the white 87u look much darker than a White Filco but it's slightly lighter than the Filco.
For the 87u or the 104u. The title at EK says it :p.
RMA it. The font could have been bigger.
I finally put the yellow caps on the 87U. These yellow caps are kind of funny. They take on a lighter, cooler shade of yellow in daylight, but much darker, warmer shade of yellow with indoor light. It could be my eyes though... But I do like the Topre switches. It is kind of like the "buckling rubber sleeve" in IBM M4 and that IBM laptop numpad, but less buckling. :-)
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Not really.
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If you don't have a gray card just use some other reference. Notice the different Yellows.
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Your eyes are telling you the truth :D
It's because of this thing that is very difficult to catch on pics the Yellow Keycaps.
guilleguillaume, do I remember correctly that you have the JIS 91 version? Do you also have yellow keycaps from the group buy here? If so, do the two sets have the same shade of yellow when viewed side-by-side? Thanks.
If this has been stated before, I apologize. Anyone know the actual mechanism used in silencing the switches? I'm curious if the domes are the same between the silenced and non silenced versions, or if its the domes themselves that are made differently to silence them. I'm considering getting an 87u white and swapping out the domes with the 55g set I have.
Sorry, I just forgot about reading this thread.
I don't have the Group Buy Yellow keycaps so I can't compare but indeed the Yellow keys from the JIS keyboard look different depending on the light source..