Which reminds me of some keyboard trivia... on the Apple Extended Keyboard II, the F-key switches are rotated 90 degrees to the others. Not sure why they did that. It actually makes a difference on Alps switches as unlike Cherries their keycap attachment isn't symmetric every 90 degrees, only every 180 degrees (it's a little rectangle.)
Which reminds me of some keyboard trivia... on the Apple Extended Keyboard II, the F-key switches are rotated 90 degrees to the others. Not sure why they did that.ALPS switches wobble more in one direction than the other. The F-keys on the AEKII are very high, higher than most other ALPS key caps and therefore they wobble more. This is very apparent if you press those keys when the keyboard case is off.
The switch orientation actually also matters with the costar stabilizers. I got it correct by pure luck on my first PCB design =P The reason certain switches in the bottom row are "upside down" is almost certain to cater alternative switch location for other key widths on that row on the PCB.
The Deskthority guys think orientation matters (http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=204&hilit=key+upside+down) but the evidence is anecdotal at best.
No is not matter of stabilizers.
Recent Filcos have just cloned the Ducky PCB to allow different layouts on the same PCB.
For the record, on ISO Filcos the enter switch is rotated by 90 degrees.
I was saying two different things but I might have been a bit unclear. The orientation matters very much when using costar stabilizers. If the ISO enter switch would not have been rotated by 90° the stabilizer would not have worked.
The other reason to rotate a switch is to have room on the PCB for multiple switch locations.
This has been done on the Filcos at least since the "gen 1"
I understand perfectly what you wrote, and no the orientation don't matters. The switch can be used in any orientation and it doesn't interfere with the stabilizers.
That's actually the only reason, indeed is used mostly in places w/o any stabilizers
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I've never had to do with 1gen PCBs, but I remember that here all users were puzzled about the "strange" orientation on 2gen filcos, ripster included. So I assumed it was a novelty.
I'm sorry (well, not really)
but you are wrong.
On the gen1 Filco (at least the full size ISO) it's only the jp-specific switch locations that are turned upside down. That might be why no-one really noticed it.
It's always a pleasure tho find friendly people here on GH
GH it's really a strange place, no one is able to accept a word from an experienced and trusted user.
One have to post samples, videos, photos about everything, like in a legal trial.
I'm starting to get bored by this behavior, but whatever...Show Image(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/1669/4orient.png)
So tell me where's the problem...
It's true in the config 3 and 4 the hinge doesn't touch the plate, is raised by a mm or so, but this is not enough to limit the key's travel.
It's always a pleasure tho find friendly people here on GH
GH it's really a strange place, no one is able to accept a word from an experienced and trusted user.
One have to post samples, videos, photos about everything, like in a legal trial.
I'm starting to get bored by this behavior, but whatever...
Then try fitting a keycap onto there and see how well it works
Obviously was the first test I did
The thickens of the two white insert on the key is more or less 1.5mm, maybe more (I don't have a caliper handy), so unless the hinge is raised more than that (and is not) there isn't anything that limit the key travel and it feels no different in any of the 4 combination, even the slight difference in tactility seen on small keys is not present here, because the vertical stabilizer make the force perpendicular to the key plane
You are accusing me of being incorrect.
I'm sorry (well, not really)
I'm accusing nobody.
I'm just used to open my mouth when I'm sure or, at least, reasonably sure, about what I'm saying.
And I'm used to be trusted after a reasonable amount of correct sentences/posts/whatever.
For some reason this doesn't apply here.
I've been accused of faking samples, of posting absurd theories, and so on and I'm tired. That's what I'm saying
I understand perfectly what you wrote, and no the orientation don't matters. The switch can be used in any orientation and it doesn't interfere with the stabilizers.This is then obviously a false statement,
So tell me where's the problem...verified by The Solutor himself.
It's true in the config 3 and 4 the hinge doesn't touch the plate, is raised by a mm or so, but this is not enough to limit the key's travel.
GH it's really a strange place, no one is able to accept a word from an experienced and trusted user.
One have to post samples, videos, photos about everything, like in a legal trial.
I'm starting to get bored by this behavior, but whatever...
The problem is that The Solutor is a zealot of his own crazy ideas.
If he just straightened out his ways of presenting his own ideas as facts I am sure he could contribute better.
Flooding >2000 posts of dubious factual content
np.
He started it.
Leave me out of this, I'm busy with KL and Ping. Everything at Geekhack went downhill when KL did that now banned troll poll.
Let me know when you guys work it all out.
I measured the keystems as being 4.00/1.00mm cruciforms +/-.03mm in either orientation. One looks a bit thinner in the pics because of champfering on the very top. I'll stick under a microscope sometime.I don't think it's a stem issue, rather a key cap issue. Try taking some of your different key caps and fitting them sideways on a switch. I find that the Goldtouch keycaps fit fine in whichever orientation, but my vintage Cherry doubleshots do not. My Poker's PBT caps refuse to fit sideways at all.
So I don't think it's a switch orientation issue unless stabilizers are involved.
Maybe. Not Signature Plastics.Good tolerance(s).
I recently added this to the Cherry MX Stem after arguing in the "My Red Cherries have smaller stems" thread. I like Socratic debate as a way of furthering Keyboard Science. Some people at Geekhack hate that style.Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=24010&d=1313168044)
Maybe. Not Signature Plastics.
I recently added this to the Cherry MX Stem after arguing in the "My Red Cherries have smaller stems" thread. I like Socratic debate as a way of furthering Keyboard Science. Some people at Geekhack hate that style.Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=24010&d=1313168044)