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Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: foxer on Mon, 08 August 2011, 17:39:53
I've been looking at Topre keyboards now, and I've decided that I ****ing love them. Especially their white/light grey tenkeyless varients. Not a fan of tenkey versions of them.

What's everyones favourites? By favourites I don't mean the colours, I mean the model...
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: cactux on Mon, 08 August 2011, 17:44:55
I prefer the space saving versions:
1- HHKB
2 - RF 86
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 08 August 2011, 17:57:07
I have had both, but prefer the HHKB. The layout makes it for me.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: foxer on Mon, 08 August 2011, 18:02:32
Quote from: bigpook;395436
I have had both, but prefer the HHKB. The layout makes it for me.

Meh. The only thing that puts me off is that there is no CTRL key or F keys. They're needed for LoL and SC2. :(
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: theferenc on Mon, 08 August 2011, 18:07:54
What are you talking about? There's a control key, right next to the A key. There's no dedicated caps lock key, though.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: foxer on Mon, 08 August 2011, 18:09:34
Quote from: theferenc;395449
What are you talking about? There's a control key, right next to the A key. There's no dedicated caps lock key, though.

Really?! I was never aware! Still, I'd much prefer it if it had a CTRL key in the normal place and F keys.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 08 August 2011, 18:15:34
87U rocks.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: REVENGE on Mon, 08 August 2011, 18:17:02
Standard layout from a Realforce will be easier for you if you want to game.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: foxer on Mon, 08 August 2011, 18:18:57
Quote from: REVENGE;395456
Standard layout from a Realforce will be easier for you if you want to game.

Hmm. I'd want a model with light keys though. Similar weight to browns. o_O
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: ~Blood~ on Mon, 08 August 2011, 18:52:46
teh realforce 86/87 have a much better build quality than a HHKB for example.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: theferenc on Mon, 08 August 2011, 19:31:21
The HHKB layout is something you have to want. Personally, it's the only layout I ever use, given the choice, but I know it's not for everyone. I am a UNIX beard though.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: Aznguyen316 on Mon, 08 August 2011, 20:58:56
Quote from: foxer;395450
Really?! I was never aware! Still, I'd much prefer it if it had a CTRL key in the normal place and F keys.


Personally the ctrl key at the caps lock position is amazing. Makes it a lot more accessible IMO than normal place on the corner. The f keys are debatable but fn+ number isn't bad either. Anyway hhkb is terrific for me so far, use it for sc2. If not, go for the 86ub however this is variable weight.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: zeththedarkmage on Mon, 08 August 2011, 22:10:56
Quote from: Aznguyen316;395552
Personally the ctrl key at the caps lock position is amazing. Makes it a lot more accessible IMO than normal place on the corner. The f keys are debatable but fn+ number isn't bad either. Anyway hhkb is terrific for me so far, use it for sc2. If not, go for the 86ub however this is variable weight.

I'm gonna jump in here even though I don't own a board with topres. I did make the mistake of buying a HHKB lite 2,(I know, I know, hold the stones) which I am currently using because it's better than anything else I own (no mechanical keyboards yet). But I find that I really like the form factor of the HHKBs and I absolutely love the position of the ctrl key, it makes it infinitely easier to use on the fly. But the issue that I've seen with this layout when playing SC2 (I don't use the Fkeys save for leaving the game, I know, I know, hold the stones) is that I got used to SC2 on a regular keyboard and I always make the mistake of hitting the control key when I want to hit the shift key because I'm still not used to the ctrl key being higher than the shift key, which as you probably know, resets the control groups instead of adding said building or unit to the control group. But other than that I've ran into no real issues with using the HHKB layout for SC2.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: PlayerZero on Mon, 08 August 2011, 23:33:13
I'm kind of thinking that Ctrl placement would actually be easier for control groups.  I'm always annoyed when trying to hotkey stuff on 9/0... It's too far to reach, and I don't have small hands
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: litster on Mon, 08 August 2011, 23:55:18
lopan advised me to change Capslock into Ctrl using the reg file here: http://johnhaller.com/jh/useful_stuff/disable_caps_lock/

You might remember I have a picture of two Ctrl keys on the 86U I sold.  

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=23615&d=1312865642)

Of course, this only works if you run Windows.  Really, Capslock is the most useless key on the whole keyboard, followed by Scroll Lock, and Pause.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: Trueepower on Tue, 09 August 2011, 00:28:39
Quote from: litster;395646
lopan advised me to change Capslock into Ctrl using the reg file here: http://johnhaller.com/jh/useful_stuff/disable_caps_lock/

You might remember I have a picture of two Ctrl keys on the 86U I sold.  

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=23615&d=1312865642)


Of course, this only works if you run Windows.  Really, Capslock is the most useless key on the whole keyboard, followed by Scroll Lock, and Pause.



I live in Washington State also Lister, and I love my Caps Lock!!!! Actually, I agree with that statement. Obviously, it's not going to be used much. I like the caps lock LED feature on the 87's though. It would seem to me that the Topre Realforce is better quality. But, if someone really likes the layout of a HHBK.... then go for it.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: foxer on Tue, 09 August 2011, 07:15:48
Quote from: litster;395646
lopan advised me to change Capslock into Ctrl using the reg file here: http://johnhaller.com/jh/useful_stuff/disable_caps_lock/

You might remember I have a picture of two Ctrl keys on the 86U I sold.  

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=23615&d=1312865642)


Of course, this only works if you run Windows.  Really, Capslock is the most useless key on the whole keyboard, followed by Scroll Lock, and Pause.

Your keyboard is truly gorgeous. That's the one I want. I love white/light grey keyboards. ♥ So jelly.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: Index on Tue, 09 August 2011, 12:18:38
You actually use the F keys in sc2? Maybe I should start using them lol.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: litster on Tue, 09 August 2011, 12:24:33
Quote from: foxer;395746
Your keyboard is truly gorgeous. That's the one I want. I love white/light grey keyboards. ♥ So jelly.

I do like the white Realforce the best.  But I have to buy a black one to go with my yellow keycaps because yellow keycaps look best on the black.  I may buy another white 87U later, especially if the uniform 45g will be available.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: noodles256 on Tue, 09 August 2011, 12:41:53
Realforce definitely feels more solid than the HHKB. I just think small keyboards can't feel as nice as TKL or fullsized ones.

its the same with Poker, they just don't feel as solid as the my TKL, Meka, or BWU
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: foxer on Tue, 09 August 2011, 12:50:37
Quote from: litster;395888
I do like the white Realforce the best.  But I have to buy a black one to go with my yellow keycaps because yellow keycaps look best on the black.  I may buy another white 87U later, especially if the uniform 45g will be available.

The white Realforce's are gorgeous. 45g sounds perfect for me but I'm not sure I can get them in the UK? o_O
 
Quote from: Index;395882
You actually use the F keys in sc2? Maybe I should start using them lol.

They're a must in higher leagues. Got to use them for default locations. Especially your main, natural, 3rd and 4th expo.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: WasabiJ on Tue, 09 August 2011, 12:57:33
I like the unbalanced keys because I have girly pinky strength or something.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: magictoaster on Tue, 09 August 2011, 13:17:16
Quote from: noodles256;395908
Realforce definitely feels more solid than the HHKB. I just think small keyboards can't feel as nice as TKL or fullsized ones.

^^^ This. The HHKB is really nice, but for the feel, I find it hard to beat the Realforce. It's really well built, and feel "substantial", for lack of a better word.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: Index on Tue, 09 August 2011, 13:37:27
Quote from: foxer;395913
They're a must in higher leagues. Got to use them for default locations. Especially your main, natural, 3rd and 4th expo.


Really? What leagues are you talking about?
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: aggiejy on Tue, 09 August 2011, 13:49:50
Quote from: Aznguyen316;395552
Personally the ctrl key at the caps lock position is amazing. Makes it a lot more accessible IMO than normal place on the corner. The f keys are debatable but fn+ number isn't bad either. Anyway hhkb is terrific for me so far, use it for sc2. If not, go for the 86ub however this is variable weight.


I agree with this ^^^
The control key where the capslock is make so much sense.  After I got used to it on my HHKB, I've not remapped all my other boards for the same.

Also, having both a Realforce 86UB and HHKB Pro 2... I don't see a big build difference.  Sure, the HHKB is lighter, but they feel very similar to me. I prefer the HHKB layout in every way except the arrow keys which I use a lot.  If there's a HHKB3 one day with dedicated arrow keys, my dreams will have come true.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: Crazy9000 on Tue, 09 August 2011, 18:58:52
Quote from: aggiejy;395952
I agree with this ^^^
The control key where the capslock is make so much sense.  After I got used to it on my HHKB, I've not remapped all my other boards for the same.

Also, having both a Realforce 86UB and HHKB Pro 2... I don't see a big build difference.  Sure, the HHKB is lighter, but they feel very similar to me. I prefer the HHKB layout in every way except the arrow keys which I use a lot.  If there's a HHKB3 one day with dedicated arrow keys, my dreams will have come true.


Your dream has already come true, as long as you can get used to funky JIS layouts. Price isn't even too bad considering the recent EK markups. (http://www.geekstuff4u.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/H/a/Happy_Hacking_Pro_WH_1.jpg)

http://www.geekstuff4u.com/happy-hacking-keyboard-pro-2-japanese.html
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: RiGS on Tue, 09 August 2011, 19:07:29
Quote from: ripster;396145
Only $310 at Geekstuff4u (http://www.geekstuff4u.com/happy-hacking-keyboard-pro-2-japanese.html).

Compared to the $579 silent model it's a steal. (http://www.geekstuff4u.com/happy-hacking-keyboard-professional-type-s.html)

It says it has 3,8mm key travel, thus the foam ring does reduce the key travel.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: RiGS on Tue, 09 August 2011, 19:12:08
I will do it.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: RiGS on Tue, 09 August 2011, 19:22:39
Quote from: ripster;396151
Yeah, so does the diagram.
(Attachment) 23738[/ATTACH]

Thanks. This is what I was looking for.
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: woody on Wed, 10 August 2011, 04:38:11
Quote from: ripster;395931
All you need to know about the HHKB in one pic.

(Attachment) 23676[/ATTACH]

Funny Up arrow - was it really misprinted or just a photo/editing hiccup?
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: sordna on Sat, 13 August 2011, 02:05:53
Quote from: Crazy9000;396143
Your dream has already come true, as long as you can get used to funky JIS layouts. Price isn't even too bad considering the recent EK markups.
Show Image
(http://www.geekstuff4u.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/H/a/Happy_Hacking_Pro_WH_1.jpg)


http://www.geekstuff4u.com/happy-hacking-keyboard-pro-2-japanese.html


Hmm, nice to have dedicated arrows and extra keys to xmodmap stuff onto! The Japanese HHKB looks sweet! What's the actuation force on this one, 45 or 55g ?
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: MKB on Sat, 13 August 2011, 11:26:22
Nice!  Arrow keys.  But the space bar would drive me insane...
Title: May sound stupid, but the best type of Topre?
Post by: aggiejy on Sat, 13 August 2011, 13:12:05
I haven't used it, but the HHKB Lite 2 seems like the perfect layout for me.  I just want that, but with Topres.

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