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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: BarryGordon on Thu, 08 September 2011, 15:30:39
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I just received the steelseries 6gv2 (mx blacks) in the mail yesterday and this is the first mechanical keyboard I've used. My wpm has already increased by 15 and I can't stop typing on this thing. The only thing that I haven't got used to yet is the space bar and backspace feel harder to push down then all the other keys. I also don't like how big the enter button is and the "?" key placement. How much different would a Leopold Tenkeyless Mx brown be in comparison to the 6gv2 mx black? I'm considering on making the switch but I did get a good deal on this keyboard so I'm not sure if it will be worth it.
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Honestly, I think the Leopold Tenkeyless is the best Tenkeyless board out there.
I really don't like Filcos. I can't get over the shiny logo. Nice, clean, and without any labeling is for me.
I would get a Realforce, but I hate the the logo on the top left. Ugh...
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The brown is 25g lighter than the black. That's quite a difference in the Mechanical Keyboard world.
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See below the charts.
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11337&d=1277307672)
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11339&d=1277307720)
As you can see the pressure point of 55cN to press through the bump in the brown switches is very close to the 60 cN activation force that black switches require in order to actuate them.
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Going from blacks to browns is going to be a big jump. Plate mounted browns feel extremely light and easy to actuate. They have some tactility but coming from blacks you probably won't notice, all you'll feel is the thud of bottoming out because it will be hard not to do. If you want a tactile switch, maybe try blues?
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Leopold has the same type of stabilizers. So the spacebar and shift keys would feel the same.
On the other hand it has ANSI layout. I recommend you to buy the new full size Rosewill.
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Simmer down, guys. Let's try to give this guy a good impression.
BarryGordon, brown switches are only 15g lighter than blacks, not 25. But ripster is right that they feel very different. Coming from blacks, browns will feel loose and easy to make errant keypresses on, until you get used to them. With browns you'll also feel the tactile "bump" as the keys actuate, which many people, including myself, love. But I'm with ripster: if you like the SteelSeries, stick with it.
That said, since tactile vs. linear is one of the big switch categories, you might consider picking up a used Cherry board with browns. They can be had on ebay and in the classified section of this forum for around $30.
RiGS is well-known around here as a proponent of black switches, and he and ripster have ... history. Since ripster neglected to say it, I will: welcome to geekhack!
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RiGS is well-known around here as a proponent of black switches, and he and ripster have ... history.
We are cool. I don't know what history you are referring to.
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Erm, I wouldn't say it's all that misleading. Each switch has MINUTE differences to people who know nothing about keyboards but like ripster said, in the Mechanical Keyboard world it IS a noticeable difference (15g though, not 25) because we feel and appreciate each switch's unique qualities. I wouldn't call pointing out the force difference an exaggeration or misleading statement at all.
This is the first I'm hearing of a 55g Brown switch..
edit - if we're talking PEAK force then I'd contend that this is also misleading. And it's odd how many slightly different force graphs I see around.
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He said it is 25g lighter, which is clearly not the case. Most people might not like black switches, but the OP said he loved them, so it is reasonable to stick with those.
I recommended the Rosewill, because it is a decent keyboard with different type of stabilizers, and ANSI layout for a reasonable price.
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You neglect the fact that brown switches have a higher peak force than the activation force.
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They are indeed different, there is no doubt about that.
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Erm, I wouldn't say it's all that misleading. Each switch has MINUTE differences to people who know nothing about keyboards but like ripster said, in the Mechanical Keyboard world it IS a noticeable difference (15g though, not 25) because we feel and appreciate each switch's unique qualities. I wouldn't call pointing out the force difference an exaggeration or misleading statement at all.
This is the first I'm hearing of a 55g Brown switch..
edit - if we're talking PEAK force then I'd contend that this is also misleading. And it's odd how many slightly different force graphs I see around.
I find it's best to be as specific possible - I use 'peak force before activation' when I'm being pedantic, which is frequently :-)
I think 55g is the best single number to describe a brown switch, but that's just my opinion (shared by Cherry Corp, btw). You would have to exert that force at some point before the switch will switch!
I suppose taking the integral of the area under the graph from 0 to 2mm would be more accurate. That would make it proportionally less than the 55g (vs 60g for black). Yet still more than the 45g for reds - which clearly it is, because it adds tactility.
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Honestly, I'm really confused about all of this so I think I'm going to stick with this keyboard and possibly add the leopold tenkeyless mx brown in a couple weeks from now.What I meant was that some of the keys like the space bar for example feel like I'm pushing down on a sponge. I think I'm becoming a keyboard enthusiast...this could be bad for my wallet.
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You should look into the new rosewill instead.
I'm considering one.
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The Rosewill logo hate really is well-deserved, though. I'd love it if someone had some pictures and how-to of a really clean looking removal for it so I'd have a best case scenario in mind.
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I agree if you don't like the feel of the stabilizers on the SteelSeries, you will dislike it even more on Leopold with browns. It's much more noticeable difference on tactile switch. If you want a more crisp feel on those keys you should be looking at a Filco instead for 10keyless.
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The general consensus is to get the Rosewill, just as I already said. Also stay away from brown switches. It feels like a linear switch, but with a lube problem.
If you want a tactile switch try blues.
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Sandblasting is the BEST case scenario since ALL the surface will be uniform.
Danke. While I've got you being excessively polite due to post count, how easy is it to get the case shell off a Rosewood? Is there another Torx kit in my future? Cause I'm pretty sure I've got no idea where mine is.
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I erased the post as being off topic. It's like too much information for the OP with 7 posts and if we start wandering off into mods.....
Fair 'nuff, no real reason I can't get around to a thread of my own.
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You can also try beating out of Oqsy what he did.
Dude, I don't want to try beating anything out of Walter.
edit: Oh, well, he gave a few really big hints.
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Where would I be able to buy a Filco Majestouch mx brown keyboard (assuming this is the keyboard your recommending) in the US?
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KeyboardCo through Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Filco-Majestouch-2-Keyboard-FKBN104M-EB2/dp/B004VKUSG6
Browns, Prime eligible.
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That's kind of pricey, you sure the filcos are different from leopold? I thought they were pretty much the same thing.
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I thought they were pretty similar, if not the same.
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You can also try beating out of Oqsy what he did.
He hinted that at some point he would reveal his method.
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I think they only have cherry blues for rosewill keyboards right now. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823201040&Tpk=mechanical%20keyboard
For another good cherry brown switch with costar stabilizers(similar to filco and rosewill) I recommend a wasd keyboard at http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/
Buy a semi-customizable and it cost 125 or fully customizable keycaps for 140 with free shipping.
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I just received the steelseries 6gv2 (mx blacks) in the mail yesterday and this is the first mechanical keyboard I've used. My wpm has already increased by 15 and I can't stop typing on this thing. The only thing that I haven't got used to yet is the space bar and backspace feel harder to push down then all the other keys. I also don't like how big the enter button is and the "?" key placement. How much different would a Leopold Tenkeyless Mx brown be in comparison to the 6gv2 mx black? I'm considering on making the switch but I did get a good deal on this keyboard so I'm not sure if it will be worth it.
I owned a Filco with brown switches and own a Steelseries 6Gv2 with black switches. I had them both together at one point and ended up selling the Filco.
The difference between switches IMHO is tremendous. I made spelling and gaming errors with the brown switches that I didn't with the blacks. The browns are much much more sensitive.
That said, switch preference is highly subjective and personal. My preference and feeling doesn't necessarily line up with someone else's. I'll also say that if you are happy with the Steelseries, then I wouldn't worry about switching over to something else.