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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: Wihl on Fri, 16 September 2011, 06:34:11
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http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/09/16/corsair-gets-into-keyboards-and-mice/
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Any chance that these will be available in an ISO layout? UK English, for instance.
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Any chance that these will be available in an ISO layout? UK English, for instance.
The board in the PCgamer article looks like it has a UK layout...
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I guess we missed the thread right below this one...
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o.O goodness that short left shift is awful. My grandfather's laptop has that and I can't type to save my life on it. Need my long shift keys.
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I guess we missed the thread right below this one...
Yes, I facepalmed a minute or so ago. I blame the Irish.
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The board in the PCgamer article looks like it has a UK layout...
Oh, you're right!
I didn't check the pcgamer link, I was going by the photos I saw elsewhere earlier.
That's pretty great, it would be the first affordable ISO MX red keyboard on the market.
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Normal shift at Engadet.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/16/corsair-vengeance-gaming-keyboards-mice-and-headsets-hands-on/ (http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/16/corsair-vengeance-gaming-keyboards-mice-and-headsets-hands-on/)
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did anyone check out the wasd and 1-6 keys? looks like they're molded with keycaps for special unidirectional kind of molding, looks cool, i want a set of those keycaps.
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I bet BigWOP pulled the pics because they weren't supposed to be released until today. I never knew him to get pissed, though; he's a pretty nice guy.
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Yeah, seeing that all the tech-press announced them first thing this morning, I'm thinking BigWOP jumped the gun.
****, I can't type for **** today. It must be Friday.
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I doubt Engadget really adheres to press embargoes and NDAs.
They do, otherwise manufacturers would get pissed and stop giving them sneak peeks at upcoming tech and sending devices for testing well before the commercial release.
Of course they'll publish anything they can get their hands on from other sources (tipsters, leaks and whatnot) but if a company gives them a device to test and tells them to keep mum on it until X date, I bet they will keep the embargo.
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What's with this odd color scheme? I have a Filco right now, and I'm planning on buying a Corsair 650D case in the near future. My Filco matches the Corsair cases much better than their own line of keyboards...
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http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-k60-performance-fps-mechanical-gaming-keyboard.html
20 KRO on usb. Other than not coming in black aluminum I think this would be pretty good board for a really good price.
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http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-k60-performance-fps-mechanical-gaming-keyboard.html
20 KRO on usb. Other than not coming in black aluminum I think this would be pretty good board for a really good price. Maybe this will bring some of the other mech boards in price.
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The WASD-only wrist rest is a neat touch, albeit a little gimmicky.
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Love how they describe other mechanical keyboards for gaming, "The action is predictable and linear unlike lesser gaming keyboards that have a tactile bump or the annoying click of a typist’s keyboard."
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Anyone know the eta on the release of these boards?
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Love how they describe other mechanical keyboards for gaming, "The action is predictable and linear unlike lesser gaming keyboards that have a tactile bump or the annoying click of a typist’s keyboard."
Which isn't even true for all mechanical gaming boards...Steelseries have always used Blacks exclusively.
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Lol, faux-carbon-fiber spacebar. Stay classy, gamers.
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Love how they describe other mechanical keyboards for gaming, "The action is predictable and linear unlike lesser gaming keyboards that have a tactile bump or the annoying click of a typist’s keyboard."
blues/click is rather redundant for a gaming keyboard, if you're gaming you basically have headphones on, and you should so you can make sure you're not getting wtf pwn'd with a knife in the back, or you hear that the protoss are zerging in?
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Lol, faux-carbon-fiber spacebar. Stay classy, gamers.
Yes that part is goofy. In fact the first thing I'd do is ditch the key caps, because if you could find some proper key replacements I think this thing would look sweet. There are some aspects of this board that look really good, like the media keys and such. In the end though it's not in consideration for me with those switches and as a 104-key board. How often would you use the keypad on a dedicated gaming keyboard anyway?
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What other ISO-layout keyboards with red switches are there? Any?
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Lame video from Corsair marketing:
[video=youtube;TJgzhnQ7uZM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJgzhnQ7uZM[/video]
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The space bar actually looks like it's textured like the red buttons and not faux carbon fiber.
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video up for the k90 as well. anyone know if the wrist rest is detachable on the k90?
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Might be fun just to have the keycaps.
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What is with those dumb promo videos? I thought Corsair knew how to make a promo video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_ZvxB0aaPE).
Are these latest videos a sign of the Apocalypse? Is Corsair going the way of Cooler Master (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExHrRkTRsxI)?
(http://nooooooooooooooo.com/vader.jpg)
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i'll be waiting for replacement k-60 keycaps the textured red contoured keycaps look amazing.
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It's ugly as sin but I like it anyway. The more the merrier; different strokes, etc etc.
It seems to be more mod-friendly than other mechs on the market. I like how the keys are raised too. Should make cleaning a breeze on top of being moddable.
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Wow, I just noticed that the keys are exposed all around without a bezel. It's kind of cool with the aluminum chassis. As for the spacebar, I'm not so sure it's real carbon fiber. Doesn't seem likely for this purpose. Even if it is textured, it's still fake carbon fiber
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Wow, I just noticed that the keys are exposed all around without a bezel. It's kind of cool with the aluminum chassis. As for the spacebar, I'm not so sure it's real carbon fiber. Doesn't seem likely for this purpose. Even if it is textured, it's still fake carbon fiber
Though I agree the spacebar certainly doesn't look that great to me, I still plan to get one. I've wanted to at least try the Red keyswitches, and this board offers what I deem an above-average-looking design, with some interesting features, at a good price. I'm still waiting for the tenkeyless version, though.
What a keyboard to carry around. I can't wait for people to post disassembly photos, etc.
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Since this is supposedly a "gamer" board I wouldn't hold my breath for a tenkeyless, but it's possible... it's just more likely they'll follow Razer's and Steelseries' footsteps in that regard.
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Maybe the tenkeyless will be the K30 or something. I saw some pics of the K60 without the red wasd keys and I really like the look. I'm also itching to get red switches but I don't have an excuse. Also, I know for sure that the second I buy the K60, the tenkeyless will come out and look loads better
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Does anybody have any information on the sensors in the mice used?
Sent from my GT-I9000 using Tapatalk
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Does anybody have any information on the sensors in the mice used?
Anandtech review said Avago ADNS-9500.
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This is the first mainstream MX red keyboard right? Looks interesting, too bad they aren't tenkeyless or I would pick one up in a heartbeat.
Also some other guy asked whether or not the wristrest is detachable, just bumping that question because I don't really like it, quite gimmicky :P
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the printing.... i bet it wears of in like 1 month
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Wow Corsair's getting into keyboards now. Hopefully they are good quality like my Corsair powersupply and memory!
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Indeed. I could store all my fancy doubleshots in there, instead of in a baggy in my desk.
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Sort of upsetting the contoured keycaps aren't in the K90 too, but I guess the K60 doesn't have many features without it?
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Maybe the tenkeyless will be the K30 or something. I saw some pics of the K60 without the red wasd keys and I really like the look. I'm also itching to get red switches but I don't have an excuse. Also, I know for sure that the second I buy the K60, the tenkeyless will come out and look loads better
That's the only reason I havent' already ordered one.
cool aluminium, I've wanted to try MX red, I like the design, It's really a nice board. I'm not too hot on the spacebar, but I expect to replace it. I also don't see how the interesting angles on the 123456WASD keys will help, but it looks pretty solid all in all.
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More: Macros are stored on-board in NAND, and the board supports on the fly recording. The face plate is rolled aluminum. Corsair is being secretive about the OEM, they'll only talk about the switches being "OEMd from Cherry". Either that or the rep I spoke to just has no clue.
Review samples being shipped between now and two weeks from now (presumably big sites get first priority).
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Does anyone know if the aluminium is clear-anodyzed? If not, I'd highly recommend anodyzing it before use. I would assume they did, though.
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the printing.... i bet it wears of in like 1 month
I wouldn't be so sure of that. Corsairs known for their outstanding quality over all their product lines.
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I wouldn't be so sure of that. Corsairs known for their outstanding quality over all their product lines.
Which is why their CX and GS series PSUs are filled with Teapo and/or SamXon capacitors. *rolleyes*
They're a company like any other. The difference is they have a *reputation* for maintaining a quality product line-up, so they won't cut corners anywhere it's visible, or anywhere that will cause reviewers to be more than mildly upset at them. If they think they can get away with it, they'll try it.
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Corsair is hardly the holy grail, nor am I attempting to paint them off as perfect, but every Corsair product I or anyone I know has purchased, we've been very happy with. With something like a keyboard, I highly doubt a company that puts themselves up on a "higher standard" are going to let their keys wear out in month.
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The keycaps as well as the "caseless" construction (the plate = also the case...) and the programmable controller look a lot like the Rapoo V7. I opened that up the other day and could not find any signs of the OEM. I assume the Rapoo and this are both made by PLU.
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those keys remind me of those red rubber ball we played dodgeball/four-square/kickball with in elementary school. then some big kid would punt the ball and it would get all lopsided and recess would be ruined for the next coupla weeks and we had to play tetherball until the school got replacement balls.
i'm inclined to think that the lettering won't last too long. but i doubt hardcore gamer who corsair is catering to will really care. now if those keys were doubleshot...
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do u guys think it will be more dust than usual
compare to another keyboard with case construction
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It will be the same amount of dust but cleaning is easier since there is no housing to trap the dust in. You won't need to remove keycaps to get the dust out
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Yeah, I imagine a can of compressed air will be even more effective in this application.
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It's good to see big brands putting their hands on keyboards, because there's a chance that EU ISO layouts will appear.
The more mechanical keyboards on computer stores, the better.
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Yesterday I wrote this Mail to the Corsair support:
Hello,
I have a few questions about the new Vengeance™ K90 Performance MMO Mechanical Gaming Keyboard :
1. Will this keyboard be available in 105-key-ISO-german Layout? (I saw a few pictures with 105-UK-ISO Layout)
2. Will the palm rest be detachable?
3. When will this keyboard be available in german, how much should it cost in € and where can I buy one?
4. Are alle Keys (including the macro keys) with cherry-mx-reds? I realy want to buy this very nice keyboard!
Best regards,
Today I get the answer:
Hi Martin,
Thank you for your email. Below you can find the answer to your questions.
1. Yes we will have German layout
2. Yes FPS keyboard has detachable palm rest
3. They should be available around 3rd week of Oct and will be available on all Corsair partners (if customer can’t find it then we will have it available on Corsair website)
4. G keys are not cherry mx red and the F functions keys are not too.
Thank you and have a nice day!
Kristine Lagunilla
Customer Service Group
The answer to my question 2 is about the wrong keyboard my questions are all about the K90 and I think the FPS keyboard is the K60. Because of this I wrote a new mail to the support:
Hello Kristine,
all my questions are about the K90 the answer to my second question is to the K60 right? Is the palm rest of the K90 also detachable?
Thank you for the answers, but the answer to question number four is not as good as I hope. All macro-keys and all keys from F1-F12 are not Cherry-MX-Red right? I hope this is not true and only the multimedia keys above the F1-F12 row is not Cherry-MX-Red.
Best regards,
If this woman is right and the F1-F12-row and the macrokeys are non Cherry-MX-Reds (so I think they will be rubberdomes) than this is a very bad news!
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I dont know what the meaning of "be a bit off" is. But I think the F1-F12 Keys are Cherry-MX :) The small buttons above the F-row and above the numpad arent MX but this is normal.
The only thing I hope is that the G-macrokeys are also MX and not rubberdomes.
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http://www.engadget.com/photos/corsair-vengeance-gaming-keyboard-mice-and-headset-press-shots/#4454672
This image shows the Switches on the cursor keys and the F-row and the middleblock and you see the differences clearly so it looks like no mx-switches at the f-row, the middleblock and the macrokeys :(
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http://www.engadget.com/photos/corsair-vengeance-gaming-keyboard-mice-and-headset-press-shots/#4454672
This image shows the Switches on the cursor keys and the F-row and the middleblock and you see the differences clearly so it looks like no mx-switches at the f-row, the middleblock and the macrokeys :(
Good eye. I can't believe the F-row aren't MX switches. They could at least leave the Esc key. That's really unfortunate.
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Good eye. I can't believe the F-row aren't MX switches. They could at least leave the Esc key. That's really unfortunate.
i wonder what the reasoning behind this is?
it can't be that much of a pricing decision?!?!
actually i think that the production cost might even go up when you want to have 2 different types of switches on one boards?!
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switches look like alps?
idk i'm not a non cherry switch guy
btw is anyone interested in the mice? made out of metal just like the rat7/9 but hopefully not sucky like madcatz... i mean madcatz the king of crap. (it is using the avago sensors so thats good)
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So has anyone ordered one, yet? I'm so anxious for it to be reviewed and dissected.
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Hmm, that may kill the deal for me, then.
It had so much potential, too.
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I would buy one if all are Cherry-MX and I also would pay up to 160€ for the corsair with full MX-switches. But with mx and rubberdomes i would buy a filco and doubleshots from groupbuy 4...
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I would buy one if all are Cherry-MX and I also would pay up to 160€ for the corsair with full MX-switches. But with mx and rubberdomes i would buy a filco and doubleshots from groupbuy 4...
Amen... this was the first Cherry MX gaming board that I actually liked. Sad to see they skimped out on the switches. Although it does explain how they were able to keep the price point so low.
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Hi Martin,
Yes palm rest for K90 is also detachable. Yes F1-F12 are not Cherry Red keys because they are hardly use. Thanks
Kristine Lagunilla
Customer Service Group
It is only a part answer but it is a bad answer :(
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Sounds like the Esc key is still an MX switch which is good news. I may still consider getting it. Maybe a mod could be in order
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If I could solder cherry switches in place of the funcion keys, I would buy it, and do so.
As it stands now, I'll wait for someone here to do a proper review.
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If I could solder cherry switches in place of the funcion keys, I would buy it, and do so.
could be hard because of the plate mounting and ugly if you dont do it right because of the missing "top case"
if only the Fkeys are no cherry it should be okay but we'll see...
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Let's send a large amount of mail to Corsair, telling them how to do it right on the upcoming tenkeyless version that they need to make.
Is it just me, or do I make less mistakes on my mechanical keyboards? Pity some manufacturers make more mistakes on theirs :)
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Yesterday I wrote this Mail to the Corsair support:
Today I get the answer:
The answer to my question 2 is about the wrong keyboard my questions are all about the K90 and I think the FPS keyboard is the K60. Because of this I wrote a new mail to the support:
If this woman is right and the F1-F12-row and the macrokeys are non Cherry-MX-Reds (so I think they will be rubberdomes) than this is a very bad news!
Not a Buy-it-now for me if not everything is RED. :-(
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Why? This one has more info. Why do you think BigWopper pulled the pics? Did he used to get pissed easily? He's a bit before my time. I only remember arguing with him about some crazyass number Keyboard Rating system he was working on.
Sorry guys, been away from the site for a few days. I pulled the pics because I inadvertantly broke embargo (I didn't even know one was in place) and Corsair asked me to pull them. That's all. No getting pissed here...
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Well somebody asked on their Facebook page and they confirmed it...
The top row keys, ESC thru Pause/Break, and the Insert thru Page Down keys are dome-switch keys. The same for the G keys on the K90.
http://www.facebook.com/Corsair/posts/197821146953522 (http://www.facebook.com/Corsair/posts/197821146953522)
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Well somebody asked on their Facebook page and they confirmed it...
http://www.facebook.com/Corsair/posts/197821146953522
Well, that's ****ing stupid. It sounds like a whole lot of extra engineering for no apparent gain.
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Well I don't think I'll be getting a corsair board .. Numpad is rubber dome as well?
Yes I'm on a phone.
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This is what happens when you let case designer engineers design a keyboard. They think they can snap together ANYthing.
Hope that's not a Lego reference.
Anyway, I agree that it's a bad idea to not have all cherry mx switches though.
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lol. such the little instigator.
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No MX switch for the Esc key? That's insane. I rather give up the numpad switches for the function row keys. I never touch those for gaming.
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Eek, was just going to post about how excited I was that reds would gain more mainstream acceptance when I read about the domes. Bad corsair. :(
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Seriously, what were they thinking? Who designs a keyboard with two completely different kind of switches? And who wants to use (let alone buy) a mechanical keyboard with some rubberdomes thrown onto? Escape and the F-keys aren't even that uncommon to use during gaming...
Meh. It looked promisinig, but that's just rubbish.
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Seriously, what were they thinking? Who designs a keyboard with two completely different kind of switches?
It's actually been done before as I have one of them at work (keyboard with different kind of switches). Domes and blacks, on a POS... with an additional twist. I'll post pics elsewhere sometime.
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kinesis has rubber crap domes on their f1-f12 section.
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Oh well, using slightly cheaper black switches on the F row would be a much better compromise. At least they could be modded.
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Eek, was just going to post about how excited I was that reds would gain more mainstream acceptance when I read about the domes. Bad corsair. :(
ye man it so stupid, not only that, i guess they did it cause it would be cheaper?? But their keyboards are not any cheaper lol !!!
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corsair, by name will not be cheap, even their budget line is higher than the rest of the pack.
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New Corsair board have rubber dome on their F sections as well? mmm... ugly plus that... not for me
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The Corsair rep. on OCN had this to say about the whole dome-switch issue:
What is the benefit to an expensive mechanical switch on a button that is rarely pressed?
What is the benefit to market the board as a mechanical then? False advertisement?
The tech-spec's on their website don't mention anything about dome switches:
http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-k60-performance-fps-mechanical-gaming-keyboard.html (http:// http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-k60-performance-fps-mechanical-gaming-keyboard.html)
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The Corsair rep. on OCN had this to say about the whole dome-switch issue:
What is the benefit to market the board as a mechanical then? False advertisement?
The tech-spec's on their website don't mention anything about dome switches:
http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-k60-performance-fps-mechanical-gaming-keyboard.html (http:// http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-k60-performance-fps-mechanical-gaming-keyboard.html)
lol like they're gonna pass the savings onto us
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why is corsair rep so clueless? i had to school him on that OCN thread.
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Lawl...F keys little used. I use them a LOT, both in gaming and regular use. Silly people making things when they don't actually use them.
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You're just being mean! :smile:
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why is corsair rep so clueless? i had to school him on that OCN thread.
You're just being mean! :smile:
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gross keyboard, it is
potential, it had
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By the Corsair rep's logic, they should've given Scroll Lock, Insert and Pause rubber domes. The Esc key is used by everyone
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beta access
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By the Corsair rep's logic, they should've given Scroll Lock, Insert and Pause rubber domes. The Esc key is used by everyone
I think they did actually... HA!
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I use F4, F5, F6, F10, and F12 regularly.
I'll have to do extensive testing in STALKER (constant quicksaving with F5) and Starcraft (menu on F10) to see if the domes make things awkward.
I am worried that Corsair is setting a dangerous precedent. What next, companies using mechanical switches only for WASD and calling it mechanical?
I propose the terminology "Hybrid switch" keyboard for any keyboard with mechanical switches, where mechanical switches are not used for *all* keys present on the standard 104/5-key layout (if present on the board), plus any reprogrammable ("macro") keys the board may have.
Yes, macro keys have to be mechanical too. Cherry uses mechanical switches for those. Corsair doesn't have an excuse not to.
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I propose the terminology "Hybrid switch" keyboard for any keyboard with mechanical switches, where mechanical switches are not used for *all* keys present on the standard 104/5-key layout (if present on the board), plus any reprogrammable ("macro") keys the board may have.
I spoke with the Corsair rep on [H] about this earlier today, and decided to come here and see what you all thought about it.
I wondered the same thing, will the WASD cluster be mechanical on dome boards? I mean, it makes sense after what Corsair just did.
Corsair Rep response:
Not trolling here - just genuinely curious. Why would F keys and G keys need to be mechanical?
Seriously - from my point of view it's just adding cost for no benefit at all.
The benefit of the mechanical keys on the regular keyboard is that they respond well to typing and double taps, especially the linear switches. Every other key you press once, don't double tap, and don't use during standard typing.
After my 2 cents:
I'll make sure your opinion is heard by the product manager.
Hopefully now they understand that a quality product, is better than a flashy product.
All the flash can be purchased separately. We do it everyday like buying keycaps, wrist rests etc.
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again it's just that they didn't do market research... a quick Google or even just trolling a mech board forum will show that a 20 year old Kinesis that has almost not changed form for 20 years gets 4 out of 5 stars... the number one complaint? (besides price) is the ganky rubber domes for F1-F12 keys... i mean did anyone see that video? "har har other ppl use plastic, but we use aluminum for our keyboard!" yea go highlight aluminum that costs money and to shave off a few bucks put some ganky rubber domes.
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Well somebody asked on their Facebook page and they confirmed it...
http://www.facebook.com/Corsair/posts/197821146953522 (http://www.facebook.com/Corsair/posts/197821146953522)
On OCN I said this was a toy. I still feel the same.
Please let me know with a PM when Filco's Red Tenkeyless comes back in stock.
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Anyways why would anyone buy corsair, razer, mionix, zowie and steelseries when you can buy a noppoo mini that has perfect layout, you can choose whatever switch you want, media keys, full nkro over usb, quick caps lock/controll exchange button?
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Because I need the ISO layout, and preferably separate arrow key and Ins/Del clusters.
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Because I need the ISO layout, and preferably separate arrow key and Ins/Del clusters.
same layout problem for me and most europeans :D
thats why we can only choose between the mainstreams that... suck?
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Does any know if the K60 can be used on a Mac? I.E. is the WIN keys remappable? Or are they "hardcoded" as Win, like the steelseries button on 6gv2.
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They should have used rubber domes on the WASD keys too. Even with the tacky keycaps you can never be too sure that your fingers are on the right keys.
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They should have put the mechanical keyswitch only on the 'insert', 'scroll lock' and 'pause' keys, that way you'll know if you hit one by mistake.
(and still called it a mechanical keyboard.)
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same layout problem for me and most europeans :D
thats why we can only choose between the mainstreams that... suck?
Have you people actually tried us layout. Im swede and used us layout for 1.5 year, took literally zero minutes to learn it, its exactly the same with swe layout in windows activated. Only <>| key has other position.
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i thought about it but it think it would take a while to get used to the different positions of the "(){[]}", "<>", well we need "üöä" and i don't want to remap everything to some sort of "where it fits position" ^^ (at least i got used to qwerty in counterstrike)
where did you put all those special chars at?
i would totally get a noppoo with reds if i would use ansii or a WASD
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Have you people actually tried us layout. Im swede and used us layout for 1.5 year, took literally zero minutes to learn it, its exactly the same with swe layout in windows activated. Only <>| key has other position.
That's not even close to being true for many/most European languages. If you had a quick look at the layouts before posting, you'd know.
Believe me, I would consider using the cheap and easily available ANSI keyboards if I could, but I can't. I'm bored with these inane suggestions to "just use the ANSI layout", so I'll be brief.
There are two keys in the Hungarian ISO layout that wouldn't be there in ANSI. Even if I remapped the keyboard with autohotkey to a custom layout, it would not be physically possible to touch type Hungarian without some extraordinary contortions.
(One key near the lshift would be eliminated, one would be move so far over - to the |/ key - that it would not be feasible to touch type it.)
One could conceivably sacrifice the lshift to get back the lost key, but even then, can you touch type the |/ key? I sure can't.
I don't know the Swedish alphabet, maybe you don't have as many letters as we do. In that case, the transition would be a lot easier.
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Might be true for you, no idea how a hungarian keyboard look like :D
touch type, you mean touching without modifier? Yes i have to use alt-gr modifier for <>|. But since i binded those close to alt-gr it goes very fast and i only need right hand for it, so no problem. And beside with real swede layout keyboard u still need to use modifer on for <>, only | can be typed without it, so really no big different.
Except for that everything else is exactly what it would be on a normal swe keyboard. Ofcourse the labels are not, but who cares :D
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Might be true for you, no idea how a hungarian keyboard look like :D
...which is why it's ignorant to presuppose that it coincides with the US layout like the Swedish does.
touch type, you mean touching without modifier? Yes i have to use alt-gr modifier for <>|. But since i binded those close to alt-gr it goes very fast and i only need right hand for it, so no problem. And beside with real swede layout keyboard u still need to use modifer on for <>, only | can be typed without it, so really no big different.
No, I don't mean that, obviously. What I mean is if you can touch type the key that is the |/ key (more precisely, |\) key in the US layout. The wide one above the enter key. The one that's hopelessly far from your right pinky.
The point is, in order to use an ANSI keyboard with most European languages, you would need to assign a letter to this key, which would be impractical to say the least. This is what my entire previous post was about: for all practical purposes, ANSI keyboards have two less keys than ISO that are available for assigning letters.
Why do I even try... :sigh:
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...which is why it's ignorant to presuppose that it coincides with the US layout like the Swedish does.
No, I don't mean that, obviously. What I mean is if you can touch type the key that is the |/ key (more precisely, |\) key in the US layout. The wide one above the enter key. The one that's hopelessly far from your right pinky.
The point is, in order to use an ANSI keyboard with most European languages, you would need to assign a letter to this key, which would be impractical to say the least. This is what my entire previous post was about: for all practical purposes, ANSI keyboards have two less keys than ISO that are available for assigning letters.
Why do I even try... :sigh:
Ignorant, should ive checked every eu layout before coming with a statement like that? You pretty annoying person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_typing
"Touch typing is typing without using the sense of sight to find the keys."
Still dont understnad your problem really. i cant touch type all day long with my new binding, you having hard time to learn where a new button is or what?
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You only really need the WASD keys to be mechanical. Well that and maybe the spacebar.
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I would need everything from 6,y,h, spacebar and everything to the left of it. That's my right hand bias speaking.
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I don't think a hybrid keyboard is something someone would want to buy expecially at a high price. I'm looking for my first mechanical and the first thing you learn about them is that once you tried one you just don't want to go back to rubber domes. If that is true than why you want to mix the feeling of switches and rubber domes on the same keyboard? You don't want that unless you are looking for something that have only few keys mechanical, like wasd, but for a really low price.
Saying that the k60 and k90 are gaming keyboards is not a good excuse to say that the rubber keys are not that used to be worth be mechanical plus the macro keys are there expecially for gaming.
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You only really need the WASD keys to be mechanical. Well that and maybe the spacebar.
you retarded?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_typing
"Touch typing is typing without using the sense of sight to find the keys."
Still dont understnad your problem really. i cant touch type all day long with my new binding, you having hard time to learn where a new button is or what?
Good, you managed to find out what touch typing is. Now, do you know where the |\ key is? Can you reach it with your pinky without leaving the home row? Do you read the posts you're replying to? So many questions, so few answers.
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without leaving the home row
This is only the most commonly taught style of touch typing. I don't typically rest my fingers on any keys when actively typing, that doesn't mean I don't touch type however. Just not the typical style.
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What's funny about this debate is Apple used to mix switches ALL the time.
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I will be clarifying all this in another masterpiece of a wiki soon.
Just got my Apple ACMT certification: This( the crazy differences) is one reason I dislike apple.
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Good, you managed to find out what touch typing is. Now, do you know where the |\ key is? Can you reach it with your pinky without leaving the home row? Do you read the posts you're replying to? So many questions, so few answers.
I can.
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It's really not that difficult to memorize the entire 104/5-key layout. Let alone the main alphanumeric section.
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What's funny about this debate is Apple used to mix switches ALL the time.
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I will be clarifying all this in another masterpiece of a wiki soon.
Jeez, what a mess. White SMKs and something else, rubber sleeve and something else.
Luckily mine are at least uniformly populated.
Do you know which models are depicted in the picture? No signature doubleshots of A9M0330, not M0116 either. One of them could be m0487, but the middle one puzzles me.
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It's really not that difficult to memorize the entire 104/5-key layout. Let alone the main alphanumeric section.
As I've posted about 6 times in this thread, it's not about learning the key location. That key is so inconveniently placed that it's not practical to use it as a letter key. I don't think I can explain that any better. Try and remap the o letter to |\ with autohotkey and type like that for an hour or two. Disable the original o letter, of course. You probably won't like it very much, I'd expect.
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Good, you managed to find out what touch typing is. Now, do you know where the |\ key is? Can you reach it with your pinky without leaving the home row? Do you read the posts you're replying to? So many questions, so few answers.
No i cant reach with my picky since i have new bind for it. Still dont see your problem. I checked hungarian layout, its more annoying to switch since you have I character there. But still totally doable(move bottom row one step to the right then rebind -_ key to a comfortable position and your done), hungarian layout have exactly same amount of keys as swedish does.
If your a typist that gonna use it for work, ye i can see the probem that you dont want to switch since you want max speed without error. But for general use, no problem.
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As I've posted about 6 times in this thread, it's not about learning the key location. That key is so inconveniently placed that it's not practical to use it as a letter key. I don't think I can explain that any better. Try and remap the o letter to |\ with autohotkey and type like that for an hour or two. Disable the original o letter, of course. You probably won't like it very much, I'd expect.
thats so stupid. you must have downs
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They posted them on Amazon already but shows OOS. http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-Performance-Mechanical-CH-9000004-NA/dp/B005QUQP80/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1317500795&sr=8-7
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-Performance-Mechanical-CH-9000003-NA/dp/B005QUQP94/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1317500795&sr=8-8
I thought the prices were going to be cheaper than the ones they listed on Amazon though. Seems like they increased the price.
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you retarded?
thats so stupid. you must have downs
How the hell do you get away with that ****? Just looking at your post history and its full of troll comments. The community would lose nothing if you got banned.
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^Based on this small sample, I tend to agree with that assessment.
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I thought the prices were going to be cheaper than the ones they listed on Amazon though. Seems like they increased the price.
Similar price here in Italy with 109€ including vat that are around 145$ for a K90. Seems like the price really had a little rise but at least the price conversion between US and Europe was fair and not 1:1 like Razer do for example. But that still make me think more about the whole hybrid board stuff, with a little price raise they would still be in the same range of other manufacturer with a full mechanical and backlit keyboard that use red cherry mx.
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cant find it on german amazon but the italian 109€ are legit .. no 1$ -> 1€ ripoff calculation... hope we get the same price here ^^
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As I'm about to preorder this, I think it should be noted that the K90 is $140 through Amazon.com, as of now.
edit: K60 is also $120. D:
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As I'm about to preorder this, I think it should be noted that the K90 is $140 through Amazon.com, as of now.
edit: K60 is also $120. D:
is this a $20 increase than what was thought?
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Does anybody know something about the planned release date?
(especially in germany with DE-ISO-Layout, but also for other regions)
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I heard it was oct 1oth iono
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I heard "in one month", one week ago.
Keep in mind, they aren't just saving the cost of the switches, but they can also make the PCB smaller, which means more circuit boards per blank, which also reduces manufacturing cost. And I guarantee you that the control PCB will fit snugly inside the gap in the PCB left by the removed editing block.
The savings are still marginal though.
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lol corsair reps will still defend the board to the bone, as per their job requirement of course.
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It's getting ridiculous in Corsair's blog: http://www.corsair.com/blog/vengeance-gaming-keyboard-keyswitch-technology
According to them, rubberdomes are better suited for gaming than Cherry's switches. Mechanical switches are "undesirable" on many keys because they can not be "triggered reliably in a single press".
Apparantly, we all are stupid.
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Mechanical switches are "undesirable" on many keys because they can not be "triggered reliably in a single press".
wut
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No, I see where Corsair is going with the 'Single Press' concept. Using shorter travel rubber domes makes a lot more sense than simply changing the mechanical switches by adding in an o-ring and giving the buyer the option of how their switches will operate. Also, its nice to have the homey, library feel, on macro keys to remind you of what the concept of mechanical keyboards was supposed to replace.
...idiots.
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"One such innovation was the opportunity to use Cherry MX Red mechanical keyswitches for the main keyboard, and additionally use silicone dome switches in some key positions where we found their performance characteristics to be better suited than those of a mechanical key."
innovation? they really trying to spin cost saving as innovation?
"my team and I all preferred the feel and action of Cherry MX Red switches over any other type of keyswitch."
honestly... you can't get the same GH who posts right after you to agree with you, how are you gonna have an entire development team choose Reds over others... i'm not saying Reds aren't good, i'm saying there's no numerical way 2 or 3 or 10 ppl on the same team can all agree on liking one particular switch over another... unless by any other type of keyswitch, they just pit Cherry Reds vs. scissor switch vs. rubber dome... then yea ok, but not between blues/reds/browns/blacks (and now even whites since they seem to be making a presence)
"However, we also found that multiple taps, while critical on the "action" keys, are undesirable on other keys — especially the macro keys. "
so this BS to me is that the dev team that all wanted Cherry Reds, were heavy handed and were always accidentally pressing and activating Reds (as many have posted on here have done).
"A lot of the team members that worked on the Vengeance K60 and K90 have been building keyboards for many years. Most of us are PC gamers, too"
so they game so much, that they always hover around the macro key's? so much so that they accidentally press em? Where did corsair find these keyboard building guys?
see, i think for most ppl like myself, it wouldn't be so bad if a lot of us didn't buy corsair gear, cuz well their gear is good (personal prefs aside... it ain't crap), and at least on [H] where there is a corsair rep redbeard i think, he's great with the corsair products, but he's obviously noobish in keyboards, but will still defend whatever Memo, they feed him (which we really can't fault him, i mean a job is a job).
it actually looks nice too...
Who knows from the way they're describing the rubber domes, it's like they even beat out Topre on that market now.
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I more than have my eyes on the K90, and I'll give you the breakdown from the Real World Experience files.
People like me with neurological issues relating to tactile feedback, are in an odd place. We are the ones who bottom out MX Blacks because that's the only way we can tell. We like Model M's because they're audible and force is pronounced. When we try to use MX Blacks without bottoming out, we get double and even triple strokes because we don't realize we're double-striking. We're sitting close enough that boink-boink of movement ends up with double keystrokes.
Here's the thing. Rubber domes are easier to tune for a feel than mechanical. And for most users, they don't regularly smack 'long reach' keys. So it does make sense for say, function keys, except for folks like me. (This would be a poor programmers keyboard overall.) The rubber dome areas also are specific to areas where there's a high likelihood of incidental double-striking, which I can tell you, rubber dome of any flavor tends to short circuit pretty well in general.
Obviously full judgment reserved until having had my hands on one (it shall be with some luck!) so we'll see. I do have higher hopes for it than the Thermaltake Meka G1. The Meka G1 wasn't a bad keyboard necessarily, they just really missed the price point and the feature set at that price point they had.
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It's getting ridiculous in Corsair's blog: http://www.corsair.com/blog/vengeance-gaming-keyboard-keyswitch-technology
According to them, rubberdomes are better suited for gaming than Cherry's switches. Mechanical switches are "undesirable" on many keys because they can not be "triggered reliably in a single press".
Apparantly, we all are stupid.
Not all, just most. And maybe not even stupid but temporarily blinded by this hobby you've got into.
I'm looking forward to this one - it might finally be the keyboard I'm looking for. I'll even give that weird rest a shot.
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Would there be any way to salvage the cool aluminum case and put a different (all cherry mx) pcb inside it?
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I don't like that they resort to lying about the logic behind using rubber domes on the function keys and the cluster above the arrows. I will not be supporting this kind of deception that far too many "gaming" companies continuously pull (sadly successfully) on "gamers" (who are apparently idiots because the keep buying this ****).
It's not that I'm mad about them saving money by putting rubber domes under some of the less used keys, it's that they lie about it and make it sound like some ****ing innovation. It's not, it's Corsair being a bunch of cheapasses. I expected more from a company that makes such good products (at least their power supplies are great).
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Would there be any way to salvage the cool aluminum case and put a different (all cherry mx) pcb inside it?
Not really.
I mean, you could swap out the keyboard, or wire it with diodes to a teensy, but the function switches really wouldn't fit up with the cutouts for the rubber dome keys. Even if you machines them out, they'd have holes.
That's why we give this keyboard a frowny-face. Semicolon, Parenthesis.
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That's a shame really, I think it looks great.
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I was very interested in the K60 until I found out that it's a hybrid mech. Why Corsair chose to put rd's on the kb is beyond me. What's sad is that it will still sell like hot cakes, since there are masses of uninformed gamers out there.
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thank you Corsair, now you can get out of keyboard :peace:
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This keyboard design and subsequent explanation makes me want to punch corsair in the face. Only because I want it so bad.
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I realise this is my first post (at least I think it is), and the last thing I want to do is infuriate people but, I just feel like you all need to come back down to reality a little.
I totally understand the frustration regarding the hybrid nature of these keyboards, it almost caused me to not want to buy the k90 any-more.
However, after a couple of days to cool off and think about things I realised a few things.
1. I rarely use the f keys, for me they are generally awkward to reach for while intensely gaming so, for efficiency, I tend to map all keys around wasd and that tends to be enough (unless its a super-complicated-flight-sim).
2. I use the home/end/page up/page down keys even less. I work as a software engineer (programming), mostly in Linux and almost all the useful navigation is mapped to other keys (VIM) or performed with a mouse and other key combinations (Eclipse).
3. Rubber dome keys still function reliably despite not being mechanical and hence are 'good enough' for rarely used keys even if they aren't optimal.
4. I live in the UK and it's notoriously difficult to get good keyboards like (for example) Deck Legends (which I would love to have... one of)
5. This keyboard is still better (and cheaper) than a Razer Black-Widow.
And finally; This is still the best price/performance (EDIT: replace performance with personal requirements) compromise keyboard (despite the crappy rubber domes and despite corsairs refusal to appease keyboard enthusiasts by at least admitting they made a mistake) that I can reasonably get my hands on especially seeing as I want cherry reds.
All I'm saying is yah Corsair are being a bit... dumb with their handling of the situation but the keyboard is still decent enough to be worth buying. I highly doubt it but they might have actually done something 'special' with the rubber domes to make them not quite so sucky (as they seem to suggest they have), won't know until I try it I guess.
Anyway I just thought I'd uh, try and introduce some 'balance' (my apologies if I failed).
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I agree with what you are saying except for this bit which leaves me wondering.
This is still the best price/performance compromise keyboard ... that I can reasonably get my hands on ...
What are the other boards and prices you are using to reach that conclusion?
Not saying you are wrong, just wondering how you decided this compromise product makes sense to you as a value proposition.
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I agree with what you are saying except for this bit which leaves me wondering.
What are the other boards and prices you are using to reach that conclusion?
Not saying you are wrong, just wondering how you decided this compromise product makes sense to you as a value proposition.
Oh this is really down to personal preferences. Here are my requirements (in order of importance to me):
1. I want linear mechanical
2. I want cherry reds specifically
3. I want a full keyboard (more keys are good)
4. I want decent roll-over and no ghosting
5. I would like it to be fully back-lit
6. I would like it to have an aesthetic that I appreciate
7. It can't cost over £150
Anyway by those requirements, and after lurking and trawling this forum (along with many others) for over a year, I have never found anything that fits those requirements better (they are largely personal preferences as I stated). I would have bought a Deck Legend but if I'm honest I prefer the look of the vengeance and it will be significantly easier to get a hold of.
Edit: forgot to say, I should have worded it differently in my original post, (I thought I had) but obviously forgot to say the performance part of the price/performance compromise was more like price/personal requirements compromise. heh...
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Yesterday I sent an email to Corsair's sales group asking about the K60's special 'gaming' WASD + 1~6 keycaps, asking if they were going to be selling the keycaps standalone or if they would be possible to special order later on. This was their response.
"We will have WASD and 1-6 as accessories and whole set of the keycaps down the road." - Kristine, Customer Service Group
I am not sure how many others were intrigued by them, but it seems you won't have to order the K60 to test them out. I plan on ordering a set to try on my Filco once they are released. I am glad I asked.
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Yesterday I sent an email to Corsair's sales group asking about the K60's special 'gaming' WASD + 1~6 keycaps, asking if they were going to be selling the keycaps standalone or if they would be possible to special order later on. This was their response.
"We will have WASD and 1-6 as accessories and whole set of the keycaps down the road." - Kristine, Customer Service Group
I am not sure how many others were intrigued by them, but it seems you won't have to order the K60 to test them out. I plan on ordering a set to try on my Filco once they are released. I am glad I asked.
awesome, if the keycaps aren'st stupid expensive! i was really interested in these caps.
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Omg was gonna get the k60 but no, rubber dome keys? srsly? and theres no other keyboards like it -.-
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Omg was gonna get the k60 but no, rubber dome keys? srsly? and theres no other keyboards like it -.-
Late pass.
Get the cm quickfire derp.
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Here are my requirements (in order of importance to me):
1. I want linear mechanical
2. I want cherry reds specifically
3. I want a full keyboard (more keys are good)
4. I want decent roll-over and no ghosting
5. I would like it to be fully back-lit
6. I would like it to have an aesthetic that I appreciate
7. It can't cost over £150
Ducky Shine fits all your requirements, unless you don't like the look of it.
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Late pass.
Get the cm quickfire derp.
need nordic layout, full keyboard and wristrest
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Ducky Shine fits all your requirements, unless you don't like the look of it.
Sadly it misses the most important, the ability for me to buy it -_- I can't find any that I can purchase in the UK... or anywhere for that matter. If you can give me a link to somewhere I could purchase it I would be very grateful as I do like the Ducky Shine.
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Sadly it misses the most important, the ability for me to buy it -_- I can't find any that I can purchase in the UK... or anywhere for that matter. If you can give me a link to somewhere I could purchase it I would be very grateful as I do like the Ducky Shine.
Qtan sells them.
http://www.vendio.com/stores/E-sports-Gaming-equipments/item/mechanical-keyboard-ducky/new-ducky-shining-pre-order-ar/lid=19244191
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Qtan sells them.
http://www.vendio.com/stores/E-sports-Gaming-equipments/item/mechanical-keyboard-ducky/new-ducky-shining-pre-order-ar/lid=19244191
They don't have reds in stock right now =( thank's for the link though =) I will keep check to see when reds are back in stock, though I have no experience with international shipping... I have to pay 20% VAT to customs I think but I'm sure I will work it out.
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They don't have reds in stock right now =( thank's for the link though =) I will keep check to see when reds are back in stock, though I have no experience with international shipping... I have to pay 20% VAT to customs I think but I'm sure I will work it out.
I've gotten $120 keyboards sent as gifts with a $20 value. No customs in sight :) Just make sure your package has tracking if you work something like that out.
You can talk to qtan directly btw, he active on the forum. Even if it's not in stock he can probably get it if he knows he has a sale lined up.
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nvm to my other post they dont have red switches
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Thanks for the info bloodygood. I'd like to see a review of these key caps.
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Wouldn't want this hideous keyboard. Do want the WASD keys and that mouse though.
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lookin' good, but i'm looking for a TKL.
Still eying up a Leopold. Gotta wait till after the holiday spend-a-thon
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I ordered the k90 a couple days ago. I love everything about this keyboard. Hopefully I will still love it when I finally get it in my hands.
I think those that are up in arms about the rubber domes on the Fkeys, Macro keys are being fairly zealous. I like the fact that the fkeys/macro keys will feel differently than the standard keys.
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Went to my local NCIX today and tested out the black widow and the Corsair M60. Realised I liked both switches but the Red's I prefered for both Gaming and typing. I found them really apealing!
Also, the spacebar IS infact textures, that is not some cheap plastic faux carbon fiber sheet... it's a bunch of triangular bumps to create a tectured feel on the spacebar. It doesn't make a world of difference and I doubt it is important though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ssTSM20VQnc
definitley asking for the leopold tenkeyless red switches for xmas!
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I got my Corsair K90 yesterday and I must say that I am in love with this keyboard. I have never tried another cherry red keyboard but I am now a huge fan of reds. One of the problems that I usually have with mechanical keyboard is the amount of pressure and distance it takes to actuate the key. I am used to low pressure scissor switches like mac/logitech perfect stroke keyboards. So, reds feel awesome... really fast and low pressure actuating.
The build quality and features of this keyboard is off the hook compared to any other $129 keyboard. Suck it!
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One of the problems that I usually have with mechanical keyboard is the amount of pressure and distance it takes to actuate the key. I am used to low pressure scissor switches like mac/logitech perfect stroke keyboards. So, reds feel awesome... really fast and low pressure actuating.
There's a saying from a Fisherman's Friend commercial that says "Sind sie zu stark, bist du zu schwach." ("If they're too strong then you're too weak.")
Cherry reds are made from Cherry China for Chinese people with little weak fingers. Hence the Communist Party red. ;)
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Went to my local NCIX today and tested out the black widow and the Corsair M60. Realised I liked both switches but the Red's I prefered for both Gaming and typing. I found them really apealing!
Also, the spacebar IS infact textures, that is not some cheap plastic faux carbon fiber sheet... it's a bunch of triangular bumps to create a tectured feel on the spacebar. It doesn't make a world of difference and I doubt it is important though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ssTSM20VQnc
definitley asking for the leopold tenkeyless red switches for xmas!
Does corsair have the same caps as the blackwidow?
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Went to my local NCIX today and tested out the black widow and the Corsair M60. Realised I liked both switches but the Red's I prefered for both Gaming and typing. I found them really apealing!
Also, the spacebar IS infact textures, that is not some cheap plastic faux carbon fiber sheet... it's a bunch of triangular bumps to create a tectured feel on the spacebar. It doesn't make a world of difference and I doubt it is important though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ssTSM20VQnc
definitley asking for the leopold tenkeyless red switches for xmas!
What a unprofessional review ;D
1. Anti-Ghosting don't have anything to do with USB-interface, just the matrix and how it's red, it does affect KRO though.
2. Lasered keys do wear out...
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The guy's a salesman; Most of the time he just reads straight form the box or the advert. Gotta take it for what it is. Most people don't care about peripherals and is controlled by their circumstances or the marketing they see. Personally, his only video I enjoyed was when he took a water cooled PC out in the snow and tested the temps, then realized while talking to the camera, that there's no point to this; It was quite funny.
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The guy's a salesman; Most of the time he just reads straight form the box or the advert. Gotta take it for what it is. Most people don't care about peripherals and is controlled by their circumstances or the marketing they see. Personally, his only video I enjoyed was when he took a water cooled PC out in the snow and tested the temps, then realized while talking to the camera, that there's no point to this; It was quite funny.
He actually doesn't work in sales for the company, he just does videos on the side, by himself without any input from the company.
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Dr Chang wants his cat. (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?24437-The-dude-****ing-hates-cats&highlight=bonsai)
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Bonsai Kitten. Those stay good in the fridge for forever. Mine isn't showing any signs of mold or spoilage yet.
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Make great gifts this Holiday Season.
Tiny enough to make for good stocking stuffers too!