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Title: Bottoming out keys.
Post by: kkor on Sun, 02 October 2011, 04:58:29
I've been reading a lot of posts and a lot of people seem to be against bottoming the keys. My question is, is there anything wrong with bottoming the keys out??
Title: Bottoming out keys.
Post by: narlzac85 on Sun, 02 October 2011, 05:01:28
Its noisy and adds to fatigue are about the only things I can think of. Its just plastic banging on plastic is it not? If you bottom out hard enough to break your pcb, then thats another story.
Title: Bottoming out keys.
Post by: slueth on Sun, 02 October 2011, 05:22:20
Nah its no big deal, I bottom out all the time when gaming sometimes!! MASH MASH. Its kinda fun.
Title: Bottoming out keys.
Post by: N8N on Sun, 02 October 2011, 06:28:49
From my perspective, I think that typing on rubber domes was starting to give me the beginnings of a RSI and having to slam the keys down is the best explanation I can come up with for why.  Since switching to clears at work I haven't had nearly as much pain in my fingers.
Title: Bottoming out keys.
Post by: domin8r on Sun, 02 October 2011, 11:09:45
I bottom out on some keyboards but don't see a problem to it.. It probably does stress your fingers and such more but if you've never noticed that yourself then you should be fine bottoming out.

I do have to admit that typing without bottoming out feels more fluid, more like 1 motion instead of seperate actions on each key.. hope that makes sense :)
Title: Bottoming out keys.
Post by: graywolf on Sun, 02 October 2011, 13:04:46
Most of our problems from typing are caused by our technique rather than by the keys on the keyboard.

Most of us self-trained typists type with our fingers. If you have ever watched a properly trained typist you will notice they type with their forearms. The muscles and tendons in our hand are small and weak, the muscles and tendons in the arm are large and strong. The only finger movement a properly trained expert typist makes is to extend the finger a bit so that finger hits that key, all the other movement come from the elbow and shoulder and none of them come from the wrist.

Try it. Just let your fingers drupe in a curve and tap you fingers gently on a tabletop by moving you forearms. You can do that all day lone with no pain, then do it by just moving your fingers. In a few minutes your wrists will be hurting. Of course I am telling you to do as I say not as I do, it takes a lot of effort to over come 60 years of doing it wrong. But, I keep trying to remember to do it right.
Title: Bottoming out keys.
Post by: whiskerBox on Sun, 02 October 2011, 14:05:32
Quote from: ripster;425104
Not bottoming out isn't the goal.  Comfortable and Accurate typing is.

Although having switched to my Realforce 87U  after a Cherry Red (cleaning it - it's FILTHY! (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?22519-Damn-my-****ing-OCN-KBC-PBT-spacebar-is-****ing-shiny.-WTF!))  this constant bottoming out is starting to drive me nuts.


Do the topre switches have considerably less key travel?
Title: Bottoming out keys.
Post by: whiskerBox on Sun, 02 October 2011, 14:16:59
Quote from: ripster;425130
Same key travel.  Search my sig (F3) for "key travel".


"CMD + F for me" god what an awful place with all those nice pics and good information.

Anyways I guess what Im asking is why are you bottoming out more on the topre? I have been contemplating making the switch from cherry to topre
Title: Bottoming out keys.
Post by: nhwhaup on Sun, 02 October 2011, 15:25:06
I agree that for me, it is almost impossible not to bottom out with the topres. I have a pretty light touch and can type on the reds without bottoming out hardly at all but when I switch over to the RealForce 87U no matter how I try, I cannot type without bottoming out. The Realforce has variable switches and I have no problems with the touch or fatigue but it is definitely different than typing with the reds.
Title: Bottoming out keys.
Post by: Waterdr1nker on Sun, 02 October 2011, 19:01:28
I always bottom out. I feel like it makes me type faster. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Bottoming out keys.
Post by: enoy21 on Sun, 02 October 2011, 19:09:57
I don't mind bottoming out actually. I kind of like the sound of the bottoming out slightly better than the click of the blues. The deeper resounding and more solid "thunk" is pleasant to me.   Although I don't mind the blue clicks either... Both are pretty damn awesome.