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Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 22 October 2011, 04:34:02

This thread is defunct!  See the order thread (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?23865-OPEN-Faux-Cherry-Red-ESC-RGBY-modifier-kit&p=450247) for the latest on this buy.

The second round moogle kit buy (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?21283-Group-Buy-Moogle-Kit-2-FINAL-ORDERS-LAST-DAY-8-25) is winding down, and the work cycloverid did to create custom legends that duplicate the Cherry font ended up looking pretty freakin' awesome.

So, naturally the next step is a red Escape key.  I'm interested in duplicating the look of the classic Cherry red Escape (this one is owned by reaper):

[ATTACH=CONFIG]30333[/ATTACH]

cycloverid has graciously offered to do the SVG file.  Here is his work from the second-round moogle buy.  The Ctrl and Alt on the left in the first image are real Cherry 2-shots, and the two columns on the right are the moogle kit.  The second image shows the white kit in context in all its glory.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]30335[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]30334[/ATTACH]

So, to sum up: I would like to gauge interest in doing a group buy for a red Escape key with a custom, faux-Cherry legend.  If there's sufficient interest, it would also be cool to do RGBY versions of the Ctrl, Shift, Alt, and Win keys from the moogle kits.

CONTENTS

The base RGBY kit will include:

2 x 1.25x red Control
2 x 1.25x  blue Alt
2 x 1.25x yellow Win (legend as yet undetermined)
1 x 2.75x green right Shift

There will be two left Shift options to complete the base kit:

2.25x ANSI green left Shift
1.25x ISO green left Shift

The left Shifts will be ordered as separate individual keys, and are not tied to the RGBY base kit per se.  So feel free to order extras if you so desire.

EXPRESSING INTEREST

Post in the thread if this sounds appealing.  Please clearly indicate a guesstimate of how many of each of the following you'd be interested in, assuming a decent price:

REDESC
RGBY-BASE
SHIFT-ISO
SHIFT-ANSI

Also be sure to include the country your order would ship to.

BREAKING: Calavera has lamented the lack of Choc-Mini-compatible keys in this buy.  Choc lovers, rise up and make your voices heard, and I'll see what I can do!  #occupygeekhack

PRELIMINARY PRICE QUOTES

Bear in mind that these quotes are for the raw manufacturing cost.  There are a lot of other costs that will be factored into the final charge (e.g., legend fees, shipping from SP to me, Paypal seller fee).

REDESC ($35 setup fee)
25 keys @ $4.38 each
50 keys @ $2.43 each
75 keys @ $1.76 each
100 keys @ $1.44 each

RGBY

RGBY-BASE (no setup fee)
5 sets @ $46.89 each
10 sets @ $26.51 each
15 sets @ $19.71 each
25 sets @ $14.28 each
50 sets @ $10.20 each
75 sets @ $8.84  each
100 sets @ $8.16 each

SHIFT-ISO ($45 setup fee)
5 keys @ $4.18 each
10 keys @ $2.48 each
15 keys @ $1.91 each
25 keys @ $1.46 each
50 keys @ $1.12 each
75 keys @ $1.01 each
100 keys @ $0.95 each

SHIFT-ANSI ($45 setup fee)
5 keys @$20.41 each
10 keys @ $11.22 each
15 keys @ $7.82 each
25 keys @ $5.11 each
50 keys @ $3.07 each
75 keys @ $2.39 each
100 keys @ $2.05 each

OPEN QUESTIONS

Colors.  I'm leaning strongly toward the same red and green from aggiejy's RGB buy:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]30340[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]30341[/ATTACH]

Yellow and blue are still very much up in the air though.  Personally, I like BFK or BOH (blue), and YPB or YCH (yellow).
[ATTACH=CONFIG]30342[/ATTACH]

Legend for the yellow Windows keys.  I quite like the diamond legend shown here:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]30807[/ATTACH]

The other main option so far is the standard Windows logo.  Voice your opinions in the thread.

STATUS REPORT

ELAPSED RUNNING TIME: 20 days
INTEREST CHECKED: 113-121 REDESC, 51-53 RGBY

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sat, 22 October 2011, 04:36:40

Interested!

In probably 1-2 Esc's

In Western Amurica.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: 7bit on Sat, 22 October 2011, 05:05:03

Quote from: hashbaz;436584

Show Image

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=28668&d=1318648045)

I recommend that you 2 put your order together and try to get a better price from SP than if ordering separate.

Nevertheless, I'd be interested in the SVG files for this.

Thanks!

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: N8N on Sat, 22 October 2011, 05:23:17

I'd be in for a couple Esc, maybe one RGB, I'm in US

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Sat, 22 October 2011, 05:37:31

I was also going to start such a group buy! :)
I'm definitely into a RGB kit as long as it includes a ISO option (short left shift). I'm sure a lot of people may want this, because there hasn't been a ISO RGB kit recently.
Also, I would suggest to actually do a RGBY kit like the one Sixty did some time ago:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]29465[/ATTACH]
But with all 1,25 modifiers in order to fit Filcos, Leopold, etc. I think it would look gorgeous!

So i'm interested in RGB + ESC, I live in Italy.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: N8N on Sat, 22 October 2011, 05:52:15

ISO left shift is different size from compact right shift, yes?  that's too bad because then there's four different shift keys people are likely to ask for...

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Sat, 22 October 2011, 05:58:23

Yes, ISO left shift is 1.25 as well, so it's actually shorter than "compact".

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: demik on Sat, 22 October 2011, 06:10:33

I'd be in for a Esc and rgb set.

Maybe 3-4 esc and 2 rgb sets.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Ascaii on Sat, 22 October 2011, 06:11:08

I would be in for an iso rgb set for sure.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: 7bit on Sat, 22 October 2011, 06:16:21

Quote from: Grond;436603

I was also going to start such a group buy! :)
I'm definitely into a RGB kit as long as it includes a ISO option (short left shift). I'm sure a lot of people may want this, because there hasn't been a ISO RGB kit recently.
Also, I would suggest to actually do a RGBY kit like the one Sixty did some time ago:
(Attachment) 29465[/ATTACH]
But with all 1,25 modifiers in order to fit Filcos, Leopold, etc. I think it would look gorgeous!

So i'm interested in RGB + ESC, I live in Italy.

Help yourself:
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Doubleshot_Replacements_Round_4

There are still some kits not covered by those recent mini-group buys.

I should have known better beforehand: 4 means death in the East-Asian cultures and group buys with an even ordinal number always faild in history.

Quote from: N8N;436605

ISO left shift is different size from compact right shift, yes?  that's too bad because then there's four different shift keys people are likely to ask for...

We need:
1x Shift: 1, 1.25, 1.5, 1.75, 2, 2.25, 2.75
2x Control: 1, 1.25, 1.5, 1.75, 1.75 step
2x Alt: 1, 1.25, 1.5
1x Alt Gr: 1, 1.25, 1.5

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: csm725 on Sat, 22 October 2011, 07:01:38

1 Esc

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: sinis on Sat, 22 October 2011, 07:40:15

what is this? is every single key now in a separate groupbuy? you want Groupbuy R4 never to happen? Or you just want to feed USPS?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Sat, 22 October 2011, 08:01:42

Personally I think that 7bit is doing a great job with GB4 and I don't want to boycott it in anyway. However, smaller single-purpose GB like Moogle kit 2 have proven to be much faster for obvious reasons. If this GB is going to offer what I'm looking for and I can have it sooner, why should I wait any longer? I'm even ok with spending a little more money for that. I don't really believe this is going to kill GB4 anyway.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Mysteric on Sat, 22 October 2011, 08:20:24

I'd be interested in an Esc key and an ISO UK RGB set

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: ishtob on Sat, 22 October 2011, 08:44:26

i'd be interested in 3-5 esc keys

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Laggy-gaga on Sat, 22 October 2011, 09:06:15

i'd be interested in 5 esc keys

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Mafioso on Sat, 22 October 2011, 09:20:02

I'd probably take an escape key and the RGB modifier. I'm in UK.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: BiNiaRiS on Sat, 22 October 2011, 10:33:58

Quote from: Grond;436603

I was also going to start such a group buy! :)
I'm definitely into a RGB kit as long as it includes a ISO option (short left shift). I'm sure a lot of people may want this, because there hasn't been a ISO RGB kit recently.
Also, I would suggest to actually do a RGBY kit like the one Sixty did some time ago:
(Attachment) 29465[/ATTACH]
But with all 1,25 modifiers in order to fit Filcos, Leopold, etc. I think it would look gorgeous!

So i'm interested in RGB + ESC, I live in Italy.

What set of caps is that and how does that work? I bought one set of Rebel 1.2 and Rebel 1.5 and none of the caps have an offset and I have never seen a cherry board that has stems that fit like that (like realforces)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: tsangan on Sat, 22 October 2011, 10:37:51

Possible to get a set of blank RGB too or has to be double shot? I'm pretty sure it has to be double shot but thought i'll ask ;p

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Sat, 22 October 2011, 10:44:32

Quote from: BiNiaRiS;436717

What set of caps is that and how does that work? I bought one set of Rebel 1.2 and Rebel 1.5 and none of the caps have an offset and I have never seen a cherry board that has stems that fit like that (like realforces)

It's a Rebel 1.2 set, I took the picture from here: http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=689&hilit=rebel (http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=689&hilit=rebel)
I think it only fits winkeyless keyboards. However, I only meant to suggest to replicate the RGBY color scheme and the "cherry star" legend, not the key size.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: tsangan on Sat, 22 October 2011, 10:45:19

<3 rebel kit

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: 7bit on Sat, 22 October 2011, 11:18:32

Quote from: sinis;436628

what is this? is every single key now in a separate groupbuy? you want Groupbuy R4 never to happen? Or you just want to feed USPS?

They also kill off any volume discount.

But I don't mind!

Maybe I should write some script which is able to turn posts like

Quote

I'm in for a standard kit and WASD keys if they are not big-ass, centered.

Will these keys fit a Filco tenkeyless?

into proper order-ID strings of the form:
RETRO/TENKLESS
RETRO/GAMER

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: mashingkeys on Sat, 22 October 2011, 11:26:05

1-2 esc keys

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: dux on Sat, 22 October 2011, 12:50:02

Quote from: 7bit;436750

They also kill off any volume discount.

But I don't mind!

Maybe I should write some script which is able to turn posts like
into proper order-ID strings of the form:
RETRO/TENKLESS
RETRO/GAMER

I think you should find somebody who would help you translating. It could speed up things. The whole think is too geeky in the moment for the majority. If you are into volume, you need to offer Iphone and Siri, that is a fact of life.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: 7bit on Sat, 22 October 2011, 13:08:59

Quote from: dux;436776

I think you should find somebody who would help you translating. It could speed up things. The whole think is too geeky in the moment for the majority. If you are into volume, you need to offer Iphone and Siri, that is a fact of life.

Can you please measure the space bar of the Iphone and the Siri? Are these tenkeyless keyboards?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 22 October 2011, 13:09:15

I'm down for RGBY, but I'm not super keen on the Cherry star legend.  Also not sure how economical splitting the order across the various shift lengths will be.  I'll be in contact with Melissa at SP about this next week.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 22 October 2011, 13:10:50

Quote from: tsangan;436721

Possible to get a set of blank RGB too or has to be double shot? I'm pretty sure it has to be double shot but thought i'll ask ;p

Have you seen the blank RGB sets sold by Elite Keyboards and WASD?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: 7bit on Sat, 22 October 2011, 13:14:21

Quote from: hashbaz;436782

I'm down for RGBY, but I'm not super keen on the Cherry star legend.  Also not sure how economical splitting the order across the various shift lengths will be.  I'll be in contact with Melissa at SP about this next week.

This is what we demand:
(http://deskthority.net/w/images/4/4b/Round4_RGBY_001.png)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: demik on Sat, 22 October 2011, 13:19:09

Quote from: dux;436776

I think you should find somebody who would help you translating. It could speed up things. The whole think is too geeky in the moment for the majority. If you are into volume, you need to offer Iphone and Siri, that is a fact of life.

What on earth are you talking about?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 22 October 2011, 13:48:33

Quote from: demik;436790

What on earth are you talking about?

Translating people's plaintext Round 4 orders into acceptable order strings.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: demik on Sat, 22 October 2011, 13:49:54

I got that, he lost me on the iPhone and Siri part.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Intense on Sat, 22 October 2011, 13:50:00

i would be interested in 1 esc and a RGB set

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: tsangan on Sat, 22 October 2011, 14:17:01

Quote from: hashbaz;436784

Have you seen the blank RGB sets sold by Elite Keyboards and WASD?

Sadly their colours are really ugly, either its the blue is too light or the green is too light ;(

RGBY Rebel Kit!!!!!!! lol

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Atenacius on Sat, 22 October 2011, 14:19:33

I'm in for 2 Esc keys only.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Sat, 22 October 2011, 14:20:08

Quote from: hashbaz;436782

I'm down for RGBY, but I'm not super keen on the Cherry star legend.

I don't know where the Cherry star come from. I suspect it's not a star but a cursor that Sixty designed it for this board! http://keyboardporn.com/mx-switch/g80-3500-hau---cherry-mouseboard/ (http://keyboardporn.com/mx-switch/g80-3500-hau---cherry-mouseboard/)

I think the yellow key should be an alternative - and neutral - system key. Maybe it could be a simple "diamond" key, as seen on previews GBs. Otherwise it could feature the good old cherry logo, if it's not too detailed to double shot.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 22 October 2011, 14:26:53

Quote from: Grond;436838

I don't know where the Cherry star come from. I suspect it's not a star but a cursor that Sixty designed it for this board! http://keyboardporn.com/mx-switch/g80-3500-hau---cherry-mouseboard/ (http://keyboardporn.com/mx-switch/g80-3500-hau---cherry-mouseboard/)

I think the yellow key should be an alternative - and neutral - system key. Maybe it could be a simple "diamond" key, as seen on previews GBs. Otherwise it could feature the good old cherry logo, if it's not too detailed to double shot.

I like the idea of an OS-agnostic yellow Meta key.  I'd like to avoid another custom legend if possible though.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Sat, 22 October 2011, 14:59:15

"Meta" it's ok for me, I think it woul look fine. That won't be cheaper than a costum legend though, since it's a costum font anyway.
I was looking for a close up on the windowed cherry logo key found on keyboards such as the 2100, but I could not find it. Anyway, I think it looks roughly like this:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]29543[/ATTACH]

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sat, 22 October 2011, 15:00:26

Quote from: Grond;436853

"Meta" it's ok for me, I think it woul look fine. That won't be cheaper than a costum legend though, since it's a costum font anyway.
I was looking for a close up on the windowed cherry logo key found on keyboards such as the 2100, but I could not find it. Anyway, I think it looks roughly like this:
(Attachment) 29543[/ATTACH]

Odds are that will be too detailed for SP to make into a doubleshot. Also, the 'meta' has been used on a lot of keys already.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: tsangan on Sat, 22 October 2011, 15:09:26

Quote from: RColinTaylor;436855

Odds are that will be too detailed for SP to make into a doubleshot. Also, the 'meta' has been used on a lot of keys already.

That doesn't look too bad, there should be enough space between the lines for it to work, that is if people wants it

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: jpm804 on Sat, 22 October 2011, 15:24:38

would be in for some esc keys and a RGB or CMYK kit.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sat, 22 October 2011, 15:33:27

Quote from: tsangan;436859

That doesn't look too bad, there should be enough space between the lines for it to work, that is if people wants it

My concern is in the spacing between the fruit and the spacing between the leaf; SP has very strict rules about their Doubleshots and, if the TeamLiquid key is any indicator, they will make you change your design or they will not even attempt it.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: eyeshield21san on Sat, 22 October 2011, 15:41:01

I would be interested in a esc+rgb(y?) set that fits filco and/or noppoo mini choc.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Sat, 22 October 2011, 15:43:40

According to the wiki: "gaps between lines must be at least 0.5mm". I don't know how to measure that, but I believe the logo could be modified to respect that rule. Anyway, as I said, I'm also cool with "meta" if more people preferes that.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: dux on Sat, 22 October 2011, 16:00:49

Quote from: 7bit;436781

Can you please measure the space bar of the Iphone and the Siri? Are these tenkeyless keyboards?

Those were some group buys that I missed 'cause they went too fast for me. Can't tell you much about them. I could try digging in some Korean forums if you're really interested.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: dux on Sat, 22 October 2011, 16:11:26

Quote from: 7bit;436786

This is what we demand:

Show Image

(http://deskthority.net/w/images/4/4b/Round4_RGBY_001.png)

I'm taking one of those, but without the win keys.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sat, 22 October 2011, 16:13:55

Quote from: 7bit;436786

This is what we demand:

Show Image

(http://deskthority.net/w/images/4/4b/Round4_RGBY_001.png)

I think people are trying to turn this buy into something far more complex than Hashbaz had in mind when he decided last night to throw out the interest check.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: calavera on Sat, 22 October 2011, 16:36:23

How about you split it into two general categories, make it simple.

choice #1 : ESC only
choice #2 : RGBY for Filco/Poker/Leopold...etc (all 1.25)
choice #3 : RGBY for others (1.5 modifiers + single ALT, short right shift for Noppoo choco mini, EU-size shift)

Something like that, see how many are interested in each.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sat, 22 October 2011, 16:37:23

Quote from: calavera;436915

How about you split it into two general categories, make it simple.

choice #1 : ESC only
choice #2 : RGBY for Filco/Poker/Leopold...etc (all 1.25)
choice #3 : RGBY for others (1.5 modifiers + single ALT, short right shift for Noppoo choco mini, EU-size shift)

Something like that, see how many are interested in each.

Probably the best way to go about this, yes.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: jwaz on Sat, 22 October 2011, 16:56:28

Interested in 2 Esc keys and a set of RGB CTR Shift ALT (for leopold/ poker), Seattle WA.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: The_Ed on Sat, 22 October 2011, 18:29:32

1x cycloverid font red esc for ed. MN, USA.

red escape good for ed.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: NumberJ on Sat, 22 October 2011, 23:38:13

probably interested in an esc key and RGB set. Located in the US.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 23 October 2011, 01:25:37

Quote from: 7bit;436786

This is what we demand:

Show Image

(http://deskthority.net/w/images/4/4b/Round4_RGBY_001.png)

I'm not sure if this is a joke or not, but I don't see anything even approaching this level of complexity happening for this buy.

By my tally, we have 17 people so far interested in something like 30 red Escapes, and 11 or 12 people interested in as many RGB sets.  Three mentioned ISO left Shifts, and a couple seem interested in short right Shifts for Choc Minis.  There has been some talk about including a yellow Meta key with an as yet undetermined legend.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sun, 23 October 2011, 01:29:37

Quote from: hashbaz;437155

I'm not sure if this is a joke or not, but I don't see anything even approaching this level of complexity happening for this buy.

By my tally, we have 17 people so far interested in something like 30 red Escapes, and 11 or 12 people interested in as many RGB sets.  Three mentioned ISO left Shifts, and a couple seem interested in short right Shifts for Choc Minis.  There has been some talk about including a yellow Meta key with an as yet undetermined legend.

17 people for 30 escapes is pretty good in one day of an Interest Check.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Sun, 23 October 2011, 03:05:03

The real thing is actually more detailed than the mockup I posted. That's not doubleshots, though.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]29603[/ATTACH]

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: kbdfr on Sun, 23 October 2011, 06:01:40

Quote from: Grond;436838

I don't know where the Cherry star come from. I suspect it's not a star but a cursor that Sixty designed it for this board! http://keyboardporn.com/mx-switch/g80-3500-hau---cherry-mouseboard/ (http://keyboardporn.com/mx-switch/g80-3500-hau---cherry-mouseboard/)

The "Cherry star" was in fact originally an authentic Cherry key used in their G80-2000, a battleship featuring a display and a lot of fantastic looking keys nobody remembers what they were for - inter alia the "Cherry star".

I had one now owned by sixty, who made fantastic pictures of it:
http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=512

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: kbdfr on Sun, 23 October 2011, 06:05:02

By the way, I'm not sure Cherry would appreciate very much their logo being replicated for sale. As far as I am informed, it's not just unfair, it's illegal as well.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: 7bit on Sun, 23 October 2011, 06:22:26

Quote from: RColinTaylor;436898

I think people are trying to turn this buy into something far more complex than Hashbaz had in mind when he decided last night to throw out the interest check.

Not at all, but you can't just pick the most popular stuff and leave the rest to Round4!

Quote from: calavera;436915

How about you split it into two general categories, make it simple.

choice #1 : ESC only
choice #2 : RGBY for Filco/Poker/Leopold...etc (all 1.25)
choice #3 : RGBY for others (1.5 modifiers + single ALT, short right shift for Noppoo choco mini, EU-size shift)

Something like that, see how many are interested in each.

Perfect idea!

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Hakhu on Sun, 23 October 2011, 06:26:50

I'd be interested in 4-5 Esc keys. I live in Germany.

So far into the interest check I guess I'm too late to suggest doing White on Red as well as Black on Red. :(

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Sun, 23 October 2011, 06:45:25

Quote from: kbdfr;437234

By the way, I'm not sure Cherry would appreciate very much their logo being replicated for sale. As far as I am informed, it's not just unfair, it's illegal as well.

Well, in that case all Moogle kit 2 owners should go to jail for replicating the windows logo! Also, the Cherry key has been replicated before:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]29607[/ATTACH]

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: N8N on Sun, 23 October 2011, 06:49:33

Both are actually valid points.  I think if MK2 came to M$'s attention they would object, not because of the use of the Windows logo, but because of the use of an outdated Windows logo on a flat key.

Because I *like* Cherry or at least approve of their products, (there is a huge difference - I think Volkswagens are great cars, especially the ones from the mid-80's, but at least as of when I sold my last one, VWoA was populated by combusting anuses) I'd feel obligated to contact them regarding the use of their logo.

That didn't keep me from buying several of the Moogle kits (I'm anxiously awaiting them BTW,) but on the flip side, I'd gladly replace that goofy key with "Super," "Meta" or just a blank.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Sun, 23 October 2011, 06:52:46

I think it's fair use as long as you don't resell the keycap claiming it's an original Cherry product. Then again, I'm no lawyer!

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 23 October 2011, 08:21:31

SP definitely cares about trademark infringement.  The TeamLiquid buy had to get permission before their order was accepted.  I think the Windows key might be a little different because it's on most every keyboard that is produced nowadays.  SP certainly has permission to produce them.  If we tried to do the Cherry logo and SP knew what it was, they would require us to talk to Cherry.

I'm not crazy about doing the Cherry logo anyway, or the star.  If we do end up doing Y in addition to RGB, I think I would prefer to do the generic diamond shape.  "Meta" might be okay, but again I'm not in love with it, and it would mean more work for cycloverid.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 23 October 2011, 08:23:10

Quote from: Hakhu;437243

I'd be interested in 4-5 Esc keys. I live in Germany.

So far into the interest check I guess I'm too late to suggest doing White on Red as well as Black on Red. :(

Nobody is talking about black on red.  See the image of the red Escape in the OP.  Or do you mean you'd like to add black on red?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Sun, 23 October 2011, 08:30:08

Quote from: hashbaz;437265

I'm not crazy about doing the Cherry logo anyway, or the star.  If we do end up doing Y in addition to RGB, I think I would prefer to do the generic diamond shape.  "Meta" might be okay, but again I'm not in love with it, and it would mean more work for cycloverid.

Diamond is also fine for me, I just hope there will be a yellow key! :)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 23 October 2011, 08:32:05

Quote from: 7bit;437241

Not at all, but you can't just pick the most popular stuff and leave the rest to Round4!

My thoughts are that we pick the most popular stuff, and the rest doesn't need to happen at all.  Were you planning to use cycloverid's legends in R4?  I think sinis has been overreacting with his R4 guilt evangelizing, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes, or genuinely hurt R4.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 23 October 2011, 08:39:02

Quote from: hashbaz;437265

I'm not crazy about doing the Cherry logo anyway, or the star.  If we do end up doing Y in addition to RGB, I think I would prefer to do the generic diamond shape.  "Meta" might be okay, but again I'm not in love with it, and it would mean more work for cycloverid.

On second thought, the idea with this buy is to mesh well with vintage Cherry 2-shots.  That kind of argues for sticking with the Windows logo.  What does everyone think?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: delgo on Sun, 23 October 2011, 08:39:28

Esc+RGB
Sweden
Only buying RGB if short left shift (ISO) is available though. Interested in mooglekits and yellow meta key as well.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Sun, 23 October 2011, 08:52:53

Quote from: hashbaz;437280

On second thought, the idea with this buy is to mesh well with vintage Cherry 2-shots.  That kind of argues for sticking with the Windows logo.  What does everyone think?

I guess most people using original Cherry doble shots will already have (or want) a moogle kit, and thus a windows key matching with their keys. Non-windows users like me, on the other hand, might want an alternative system key.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: h0ngE on Sun, 23 October 2011, 09:41:03

I'd be interested in 3x Esc Keys and 2x RGB Keysets.
I'm from Germany.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: calavera on Sun, 23 October 2011, 11:04:54

I still think my suggestion is best. Easier for EVERYONE. :)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Hakhu on Sun, 23 October 2011, 12:18:13

Quote from: hashbaz;437267

Nobody is talking about black on red.  See the image of the red Escape in the OP.  Or do you mean you'd like to add black on red?

That's what I meant. I guess I should have put that the other way round.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: dvdhsu on Sun, 23 October 2011, 12:21:42

Interested in both the RGB and the ESC key. Maybe even two sets of each.

In California.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: godofdeath on Sun, 23 October 2011, 12:29:15

if its rgb it wont be black right?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 23 October 2011, 12:38:53

Quote from: Grond;437273

Diamond is also fine for me, I just hope there will be a yellow key! :)

I think yellow on grey is an excellent colour combination: My arrow keys are excellent.

I may or may not be interested, depending on how the details shake out.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: blainchen on Sun, 23 October 2011, 15:08:53

I'm out.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 23 October 2011, 17:55:03

Quote from: calavera;437335

I still think my suggestion is best. Easier for EVERYONE. :)

Basically everyone is falling into the subgroups you posted anyway.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Mysteric on Sun, 23 October 2011, 18:14:35

Definitely interested in an Esc key and the RGB kit for my UK ISO Filco (Whichever modifiers they are)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: godofdeath on Sun, 23 October 2011, 18:47:54

if its rgb it wont be white on black right?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: calavera on Sun, 23 October 2011, 19:12:40

Quote from: hashbaz;437584

Basically everyone is falling into the subgroups you posted anyway.

I'm just saying if you had a poll or something similar and have people vote for it, it would have been easier to tally up which set was more feasible.
I figured you'd want to pick the most voted kit for a smaller and quicker group buy.

Anyways, I would be in for 2~3 ESC's and 1~2 RGBY sets depending on the content.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sun, 23 October 2011, 19:15:38

Oh, the big thing for me at this point I think is the colors in the RGB set. Are they going to be the same as Aggiejy or something different?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 23 October 2011, 20:01:28

I suspect most of us would want a darker blue.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sun, 23 October 2011, 20:04:27

Quote from: hashbaz;437650

I suspect most of us would want a darker blue.

I dunno; I am a huge fan of Aggiejy's light blue.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 23 October 2011, 22:46:23

Second day is drawing to a close (PDT).  We added around 12 Escapes and 10 RGB kits, bringing the totals up to around 40 and 20, respectively.  Lots of Europeans are not specifically mentioning ISO, so I'm unsure about what they want/need.  I think calavera is right -- we need a poll or specific categories to declare.  I'll post something to that effect soon.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Mon, 24 October 2011, 04:20:29

Quote from: RColinTaylor;437627

Oh, the big thing for me at this point I think is the colors in the RGB set. Are they going to be the same as Aggiejy or something different?

I'd like the colors to be as faithful as possible to the original Cherry RGB.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]29672[/ATTACH]
As for the yellow, the one chosen for the Rebel RGBY kit looks fine to me.

EDIT: This must be the reason why I love RGBY more than just RGB! :)
[ATTACH=CONFIG]29675[/ATTACH]

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: BiNiaRiS on Mon, 24 October 2011, 09:36:03

Quote from: Grond;437860

I'd like the colors to be as faithful as possible to the original Cherry RGB.
(Attachment) 29672[/ATTACH]
As for the yellow, the one chosen for the Rebel RGBY kit looks fine to me.

EDIT: This must be the reason why I love RGBY more than just RGB! :)
(Attachment) 29675[/ATTACH]

If you want them close to the original, for Aggiejy's set the green would need to be a bit lighter, the blue would need to be a bit darker, and the red is really close but just a a bit off. That SNES controller is disturbingly close to the real dea.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Mon, 24 October 2011, 09:53:04

Quote from: BiNiaRiS;437934

That SNES controller is disturbingly close to the real dea.

Both the SNES and the original Cherry RGB were released the early 90s, isn't it? Too bad the controller is not mechanical! :)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Mon, 24 October 2011, 09:57:10

Quote from: Grond;437940

Both the SNES and the original Cherry RGB were released the early 90s, isn't it? Too bad the controller is not mechanical! :)

It is if you play with a SNES emulator.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Mon, 24 October 2011, 11:01:39

The original SNES joypad used to feel good, though. It may have ****ty rubber domes, but I still like it. It also proved to be extremelyy durable. Nintendo sure used to do things right back in the day!

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 24 October 2011, 11:50:15

Quote from: Grond;437860

EDIT: This must be the reason why I love RGBY more than just RGB! :)

Show Image

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=29675&d=1319459753)

:D

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Wraul on Mon, 24 October 2011, 15:17:04

I'm interested in a couple (3-4) ESC and probably as many RGB modifiers.
I would love ISO shift and yellow meta.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: dux on Mon, 24 October 2011, 15:39:37

I'll take one Esc and one RGB(Y), and if ISO will be available then I'll take an another Esc and an another ISO-RGB(Y) set.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: BiNiaRiS on Mon, 24 October 2011, 15:59:03

i'd probably take around 5 Esc keys, maybe more depending on price.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 24 October 2011, 16:09:07

I've updated the OP with more detailed instructions regarding left-hand Shift.  Please state whether you (A) are fine with regular ANSI 2.25x left Shift, (B) must have ISO left Shift to participate, or (C) would prefer ISO left Shift but will still participate without it (or (D) some other combination of need/want).

I don't think I've seen anyone asking for anything other than regular 1.25x Ctrl/Alt/Win, which is good.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Mon, 24 October 2011, 16:19:19

(B)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: wongster on Mon, 24 October 2011, 16:19:24

Interested in 1-2 Esc, and perhaps 1 RGB set, shipped to USA. Whether it works out or not, thanks for putting this together, hashbaz!

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: inlikeflynn on Mon, 24 October 2011, 16:25:34

I'd probably take around 5 Esc keys, maybe more depending on price. ship to USA

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Mysteric on Mon, 24 October 2011, 22:09:16

Yeah I want 1 Esc key and one RGB set (B)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 24 October 2011, 22:14:16

2X Esc

Not sure about how good RGB looks on a keyboard yet!  But, I might want some later if I make up my mind.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 25 October 2011, 02:23:15

End of third day.  We lost blainchen, but gained a lot of Escapes.  Totals now stand at around 60 Escapes and 30 RGB sets.

I've sent Melissa a preliminary email to let her know about the buy and ask about splitting the order between ISO and ANSI Shifts.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Tue, 25 October 2011, 03:14:02

Maybe if we use the same shade of green as aggiejy for the shiftes, some of the people that bought an RGB in that GB may be interested in getting a ISO left shift. Of course the legend will look a bit different in this case, but it will be hard to notice, because the ISO shift is so short there's only room for the arrow.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: dux on Tue, 25 October 2011, 10:31:04

I'm (B) but would definitely take 1,5 Control and Alt if available.
I would also take Alt Gr in 1,25 or 1,5 if available.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Tue, 25 October 2011, 10:58:37

Quote from: cycloverid;438581

Not sure about how good RGB looks on a keyboard yet!  But, I might want some later if I make up my mind.

There are beautiful pictures here and on DT that may help you decide! :)
Personally, I'm no keyboard pimp. I'm not into rainbow keycaps nor glow-in-the-dark stuff or blue leds under clear 'caps. Not for me. But I do like a bit of color on my keyboard. I think RGB(Y) is a very nice solution. Moreover, it's a replica of a vintage cherry product, which makes it even better! :thumb:

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Tue, 25 October 2011, 12:07:31

Only the Esc are smaller, or does that apply to all SP keys?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 25 October 2011, 12:11:29

Quote from: ripster;438920

The Cherry Corp Esc and the Signature Plastic Esc are QUITE different in how they look on the keyboard.

Weird sizing on the Signature Plastic Esc - a bit smaller than most in the horizontal dimensions.
(Attachment) 29829[/ATTACH] (Attachment) 29830[/ATTACH]

Yeah, it won't mesh perfectly of course.  But neither do the moogle kits.  For me it's all about the font.  Bright red Escapes stand out, and it irks me to see "ESC" in all caps in SP's font when the rest of my keyboard is thick and Cherry-tastic.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: slueth on Tue, 25 October 2011, 12:50:43

Man your really good at marketing your ideas lol.  Nice pics rip.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Alasdair on Tue, 25 October 2011, 13:26:41

I would be interested in 2-5 Esc keys.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Tue, 25 October 2011, 13:48:45

This post by 7bit really made me wonder: what if reverse RGBY (color on black key) did actually look better?
http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?p=23555#p23555 (http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?p=23555#p23555)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 25 October 2011, 14:08:55

That does seem like it could look awesome.  Maybe someone could do a mockup with a real photograph?  Problem there is we then have to agree on a base color for the keys.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Tue, 25 October 2011, 14:14:43

I think black would be ideal (more contrast, and possibly black keys are more used overall), but then it would not mix well with beige cherry sets.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: HoboBob on Tue, 25 October 2011, 14:29:59

I'd be in for 3 or more ESC key.

I'd love a RGB on black DS (and a spare old school win-less set too on black DS to fit a soon to come custom 1800. I know I'm asking too much but hell with it. :D )

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: N8N on Tue, 25 October 2011, 15:23:01

I like the idea of color on black, kind of like the old Model M numpad keys.

But I've bought too much keyboard crap already, and have recently branched out into obsessing about mice.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: NumberJ on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:05:01

I'll probably pull out on this one since I'm probably going to checkerboard my 'board instead and won't need the extra colors.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Atenacius on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:13:38

I lost track, this is going to be an expedited group buy and won't be included in Group Buy 4 right? If so, I'm just going to cancel my order over there, and probably buy a set or something... I've got invoice 9

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: whiskerBox on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:13:45

I am down for 1 esc

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:15:46

Quote from: Atenacius;439244

I lost track, this is going to be an expedited group buy and won't be included in Group Buy 4 right? If so, I'm just going to cancel my order over there, and probably buy a set or something... I've got invoice 9

Yeah, this is not connected to Round 4 and should be finished much quicker.  What do you mean by invoice 9?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:16:39

To be honest Hash: I think you should just do the Escape keys. If you want to do the RGB's then get what you want and try to not pick what everyone else wants.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Atenacius on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:21:56

Quote from: hashbaz;439247

Yeah, this is not connected to Round 4 and should be finished much quicker.  What do you mean by invoice 9?

It means I was the 8th person to place an order, which I'm sure doesn't mean anything but since I'm still in the group buy, I might as well pick something up.

So how many Esc key orders do we need to get this baby rolling?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:23:58

Quote from: RColinTaylor;439249

To be honest Hash: I think you should just do the Escape keys. If you want to do the RGB's then get what you want and try to not pick what everyone else wants.

You might be right.  We're not committed to doing anything yet -- it's just an interest check (though I will make sure we do at least the Escape).  I'll have numbers from Melissa shortly.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:25:18

Quote from: hashbaz;439257

You might be right.  We're not committed to doing anything yet -- it's just an interest check (though I will make sure we do at least the Escape).  I'll have numbers from Melissa shortly.

Did the SVG already get made?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:28:27

Quote from: RColinTaylor;439261

Did the SVG already get made?

No, but based on how complicated the moogle legends were she can give a good estimate of final cost, including setup fee.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:29:23

Quote from: hashbaz;439265

No, but based on how complicated the moogle legends were she can give a good estimate of final cost, including setup fee.

Ah yes, true true.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Dox on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:30:24

Interested in 2 Esc key.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:30:34

Speaking of Melissa, there should be a Melissa appreciation thread.  Maybe we could pool a bit of money and send her something nice for dealing with all of us.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:31:10

Quote from: hashbaz;439268

Speaking of Melissa, there should be a Melissa appreciation thread.  Maybe we could pool a bit of money and send her something nice for dealing with all of us.

A Melissa Keycap?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:33:23

Quote from: ripster;439271

Not until my LOD and Awesome keys are fixed.
(Attachment) 29917[/ATTACH]

Working on making it correct Ripster.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:39:12

Quote from: ripster;439277

Well I meant that I bought them in Group Key Buy 3 and keep getting the runaround whether fixed keys will ever ship.

Oh, I wasn't aware there was actually going to be a fixed-key set. But, then again, I didn't buy in GB3.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:42:18

Quote from: ripster;439279

It was so long ago the memories of it are starting to fade.  Started last year late Oct/Early Nov.

How is that possible? I thought GB3 was in March?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:43:55

Quote from: ripster;439283

Took a while for it to warm up.

Check the time stamps.

Yes, but any talk of shipping replacements would have needed the originals to have been shipped first, right?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 25 October 2011, 18:51:58

Console yourself with a round of fake Cherry Escapes, rip.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 25 October 2011, 21:02:02

Okay ppl, I got quotes back from Melissa.  The price breakdowns are pretty much like you'd expect.

REDESC
There's a $35 setup fee for the red Escape, and the following volume/price breakdown:

25 keys   @ $4.38 each
50 keys   @ $2.43 each
75 keys   @ $1.76 each
100 keys @ $1.44 each

We're pushing 75 keys already, assuming everyone follows through.

RGBY
Sadly there's also a $45 setup fee for both the ANSI and ISO left Shifts, since cycloverid's moogle kit didn't include left Shift.  These prices include a yellow Windows key (or other 1.25x key with a legend SP already has on file):

2.25x ANSI left Shift:
5 sets      @ $68.31 each
10 sets    @ $37.73 each
15 sets    @ $27.54 each
25 sets    @ $19.38 each
50 sets    @ $13.27 each
75 sets    @ $11.23 each
100 sets  @ $10.21 each

1.25x ISO Shift key:
5 sets      @ $47.67 each
10 sets    @ $27.29 each
15 sets    @ $20.49 each
25 sets    @ $15.06 each
50 sets    @ $10.98 each
75 sets    @ $9.62 each
100 sets  @ $8.94 each

I think we have something like 8 ISO orders and 20 ANSI orders so far.

I've updated the OP with this info.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Atenacius on Tue, 25 October 2011, 21:30:01

At 75 keys, I would double my order to 4 Esc keys. Signature Plastic keys are thin and wear down fast, might as well have a couple of extra.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Quarzac on Tue, 25 October 2011, 22:54:22

Totally interested in the esc.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 25 October 2011, 23:10:35

How many?  One?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: jpm804 on Wed, 26 October 2011, 00:43:18

Hoping we can get to that 50 set price point for the RGBY ANSI... be willing to order 2 if it helps it get up there.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: tsangan on Wed, 26 October 2011, 00:48:58

hashbaz: Interested in the RGBY ANSI kit given that the blue is darker then the one aggiejy's set, that blue was so light ;( The red and green was spot on though, maybe we can ask aggiejy which colours he used so we can fix that ugly blue, and if so in for 2-3 set

This blue is a nono
[ATTACH=CONFIG]29955[/ATTACH]

For the yellow I'm thinking YY or YCH
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=29384&d=1319211432)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Quarzac on Wed, 26 October 2011, 01:00:49

Quote from: hashbaz;439529

How many?  One?

I'll splurge. 2.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 26 October 2011, 02:48:53

Quote from: tsangan;439567

hashbaz: Interested in the RGBY ANSI kit given that the blue is darker then the one aggiejy's set, that blue was so light ;( The red and green was spot on though, maybe we can ask aggiejy which colours he used so we can fix that ugly blue, and if so in for 2-3 set

This blue is a nono
(Attachment) 29955[/ATTACH]

For the yellow I'm thinking YY or YCH

Show Image

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=29384&d=1319211432)

aggiejy's blue has really grown on me, I must say.  But yeah, the plan is a darker blue, more in line with vintage RGB sets.  Something like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/YDhO0.jpg)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Wed, 26 October 2011, 02:50:04

Wouldn't it be cheaper overall to combine ISO and ANSI in a single kit, reaching a bigger volume?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 26 October 2011, 02:53:08

Yeah I'll ask Melissa about combining the common keys in the two sets.  I described to her what I wanted to do, and this is what she came back with.  I assume that means it's the cheapest way to do it, but maybe not?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Wed, 26 October 2011, 02:59:56

I don't know, I've never been good in maths. I see that there is a considerable discount over a bigger volume, so I was wondering, if we get to order 25+ kits with both iso and ansi shifts included they may end up to be cheaper than the separate kits in smaller volumes. Then of course americans end up with useless iso shifts and europeans with useless ansi shifts, but who cares if it's cheaper? :)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 26 October 2011, 03:00:03

Day 4 is over.  Added 10-13 Escapes and no RGBs (though a couple of people mentioned they would buy more of one or the other if it helped push us into the next price bracket).

This brings the totals to between 65 and 80 Escapes, and close to 30 RGBs.  I was afraid there wouldn't be a lot of RGB demand with geekhack awash in aggiejy's sets.  It's looking like we're not going to hit the 50 set price point, which is kind of where it starts getting interesting to me personally.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Wed, 26 October 2011, 03:06:47

Quote from: hashbaz;439623

Day 4 is over.  Added 10-13 Escapes and no RGBs (though a couple of people mentioned they would buy more of one or the other if it helped push us into the next price bracket).

This brings the totals to between 65 and 80 Escapes, and close to 30 RGBs.

Based on this it should be an easy target of 100 esc.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: tsangan on Wed, 26 October 2011, 09:47:46

Quote from: hashbaz;439607

aggiejy's blue has really grown on me, I must say.  But yeah, the plan is a darker blue, more in line with vintage RGB sets.  Something like this:

Show Image

(http://i.imgur.com/YDhO0.jpg)

Since we got the colour issue out of the way, I would be in for 2-3 sets for sure esp since this is looking to go over 50 set point mark.

<3 Rebel RGBY set

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: calavera on Wed, 26 October 2011, 10:23:51

If only the above set had an extra alt in blue with the size of the yellow star I would order 2 sets!!!!!!! can we make this happen pleaaaaaaaase

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Reptile on Wed, 26 October 2011, 11:17:39

Quote from: calavera;439736

If only the above set had an extra alt in blue with the size of the yellow star I would order 2 sets!!!!!!! can we make this happen pleaaaaaaaase

Would that be for your choc mini's? If so I would be wondering if that would be possible too. (For the right alt key)

Either way I would be in for a set :-)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 26 October 2011, 11:37:39

If there's enough demand for Choc-compatible key sizes, I'm more than happy to do it.  But I really doubt that it will be economical since almost everyone will want standard 2.75x right Shift and 1.25x Ctrl/Alt/Win.  I'd say it's looking doubtful even for ISO left Shift.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Monja on Wed, 26 October 2011, 11:48:38

Interested in 1 REDESC and 1 RGBY ISO

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: BiNiaRiS on Wed, 26 October 2011, 12:09:30

Is there a way for SP to send me some plastic color samples and I can match them up as best as possible to the Cherry Corp RGB dye subs?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 26 October 2011, 12:18:15

I've heard others say that they got their color samples for free.  You could just email Melissa.  Or I can, if you'd prefer, and have her send it to you.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Wed, 26 October 2011, 12:38:58

Quote from: BiNiaRiS;439804

Is there a way for SP to send me some plastic color samples and I can match them up as best as possible to the Cherry Corp RGB dye subs?

Maybe we could ask Sixty, I guess he's done this comparison already.

EDIT: I just PMd him.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: 7bit on Wed, 26 October 2011, 12:50:26

Quote from: Atenacius;439244

I lost track, this is going to be an expedited group buy and won't be included in Group Buy 4 right? If so, I'm just going to cancel my order over there, and probably buy a set or something... I've got invoice 9

There will be similar stuff in Round 4. Just have to do the SVG graphics ...

Quote from: hashbaz;439809

I've heard others say that they got their color samples for free.  You could just email Melissa.  Or I can, if you'd prefer, and have her send it to you.

I doubt this!

I had to pay $35 as everybody.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 26 October 2011, 12:54:43

Ah well.  I guess I heard wrong.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 26 October 2011, 13:30:22

Quote from: hashbaz;439614

Yeah I'll ask Melissa about combining the common keys in the two sets.  I described to her what I wanted to do, and this is what she came back with.  I assume that means it's the cheapest way to do it, but maybe not?

I asked Melissa about treating the common portion of the two sets (2 Ctrl, 2 Alt, 2 Win, 1 right Shift) as a single set, and ordering the 1.25x and 2.25x left Shifts as single keys.  She came back with rejiggered prices that added up to essentially the same totals (one or two pennies cheaper on the ANSI side, and 60 cents or so more expensive on the ISO side).

So, if the combined ISO + ANSI orders put us in a good bracket, we can take advantage of that to get a shared volume discount.  This is really good news for the ISO guys.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Wed, 26 October 2011, 13:41:36

Very good, thanks for asking Melissa!

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Ascaii on Wed, 26 October 2011, 14:10:44

Im in for 1 set of ISO RGB and one red esc.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: DanGWanG on Wed, 26 October 2011, 14:20:23

Quote from: hashbaz

Please indicate whether you're interested in just Esc, just RGB, or Esc+RGB; a rough guesstimate of how many you might want to order (assuming a decent price); and what country you live in.

Interested in Esc+RGB:
1x ESC
1x RGB

Located in USA.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Mysteric on Wed, 26 October 2011, 16:31:24

Quote from: hashbaz;439855

I asked Melissa about treating the common portion of the two sets (2 Ctrl, 2 Alt, 2 Win, 1 right Shift) as a single set, and ordering the 1.25x and 2.25x left Shifts as single keys.  She came back with rejiggered prices that added up to essentially the same totals (one or two pennies cheaper on the ANSI side, and 60 cents or so more expensive on the ISO side).

So, if the combined ISO + ANSI orders put us in a good bracket, we can take advantage of that to get a shared volume discount.  This is really good news for the ISO guys.

Great news! Means it could be easier on the wallet all around and us UK folk get our ISO shifts :)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 27 October 2011, 00:27:45

And on the fifth day, the Buy added but 2 REDESC and 4 RGBY.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Kick on Thu, 27 October 2011, 04:23:08

Interested in normal RGB modifiers

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: bavman on Thu, 27 October 2011, 11:26:48

Interested in regular RGB set

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 28 October 2011, 00:29:26

Day six, added two RGB sets.  We seem to be petering down to a trickle.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: dorkvader on Fri, 28 October 2011, 02:21:07

Interested in 1-2 Escape keys
Interested in 0-1 RGB(Y) kits depending on a number of factors (I'll make a decision either way when crunch time arrives.)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: tsangan on Fri, 28 October 2011, 13:41:18

hashbaz: What are we at interest number wise with the RGBY kit and the Esc key?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: 7bit on Fri, 28 October 2011, 13:42:25

Quote from: hashbaz;440902

Day six, added two RGB sets.  We seem to be petering down to a trickle.

Welcome to the club!

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 28 October 2011, 13:56:53

Quote from: tsangan;441232

hashbaz: What are we at interest number wise with the RGBY kit and the Esc key?

Between 65 and 80 REDESC, and 30-ish RGBY.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Leftoverrice on Fri, 28 October 2011, 15:37:20

In for 2 ESC and RGBY set. USA

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 29 October 2011, 03:09:55

Day 7, just a couple of each added.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: slueth on Sat, 29 October 2011, 03:16:05

2 red esc
2 rgby

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 29 October 2011, 03:17:20

Okay so the interest thread seems to have run its course.  Seems very likely we will get more than 75 Escapes, putting us into the $1.76 per key bracket.  This is awesome.

On the other hand, based on what people have posted here we will just barely make the 25 set cutoff for the RGBY sets.  That puts us at around $19.38 for the ANSI sets and $15.74 for the ISO sets (the ISOs are cheaper because the 1.25x left Shift can shares some kind of discount with Ctrl/Alt/Win).  And there's still shipping and SP's setup fees to factor in.

The setup cost is $45 for each of the two left Shift variants.  Distributing this among those interested in each so far yields:
$45 / 19 ANSI orderers = $2.37
$45 / 8 ISO orderers = $5.63

That leaves us at $21.75 for an ANSI set and $21.37 for an ISO set.  I haven't looked into shipping in detail yet, but I imagine it will be similar to other buys.  Something like $5 inside the US and $6-$15 elsewhere, depending on shipping method.

How does everyone feel about this?  Personally, it's more than I was hoping to pay for the RGBY set.  We have a few options:

A) Drop the yellow Win key (I'm not sure what effect this will have on price)
B) Drop the RGBY set altogether and just do REDESC
C) Drop the RGBY set if we don't hit 50 in the actual order thread
D) Stay the course.  $22+shipping is fine!
E) None of the above

Discuss.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Sat, 29 October 2011, 03:39:35

D. 22$+shipping may not be cheap but I don't find it crazy expensive either. Also, more people may jump on the GB when a deadline is set, making setup fees cheaper.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Quarzac on Sat, 29 October 2011, 11:34:14

Quote from: hashbaz;441674

C) Drop the RGBY set if we don't hit 50 in the actual order thread

At the 50 price, I would be interested in one. At the current price, I'm not. I don't even have a befitting cherry board to put these on anymore, I just feel like I should have them for when I get one.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: tsangan on Sat, 29 October 2011, 11:39:05

Quote from: Quarzac;441804

At the 50 price, I would be interested in one. At the current price, I'm not. I don't even have a befitting cherry board to put these on anymore, I just feel like I should have them for when I get one.

By all means you're not forced to order at the current price point but why are you voting to drop it? That makes no sense for the rest of the people that are okay with the price.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 29 October 2011, 13:24:35

Quote from: hashbaz;441674

A) Drop the yellow Win key (I'm not sure what effect this will have on price)
B) Drop the RGBY set altogether and just do REDESC
C) Drop the RGBY set if we don't hit 50 in the actual order thread
D) Stay the course.  $22+shipping is fine!
E) None of the above

Discuss.

I'm still interested in 2 red ESC

I'm interested in 1 RGBY set (still contingent on final design. More specifically, if it's super ugly, I'll be out, but I'd be pretty happy with whatever.)
but I'm not that interested in 1 RGB set.

So I'm all for option "D". Looks like a good deal to me.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Ascaii on Sat, 29 October 2011, 14:21:09

honestly I can deal with the 22+shipping for the iso, I want it.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 29 October 2011, 14:39:25

Another thing we need to finalize before I can post the order thread is what legend we want on the yellow Win keys.  As buymaster I'm going to veto the "Cherry star" from the DT buy, simply because I really don't like it.  Personally I would be fine with the Windows logo, but I know some of you don't like that.  There's also the diamond symbol from other group buys.  (Anyone have a link?)

Nominate what you'd like to see, and I'll put up a poll.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Sat, 29 October 2011, 14:48:48

I assume that the cherry logo has also been discarded. I thus vote for the diamond or other standard SP symbols. This should also make the kit cheaper, since those are text symbols that don't require a costum svg.
You can see the diamond in this ripster-tastic pic:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]30327[/ATTACH]
If you want windows keys I'll sell you the ones from my moogle kit when it ships! :D

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 29 October 2011, 17:00:09

Thanks Grond, that's the diamond I was thinking of.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: demik on Sat, 29 October 2011, 17:14:50

Yellow key should be black wu tang W.

Title: Colors!
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 29 October 2011, 17:54:17

There's also the matter of choosing a blue for the Alts and a yellow for the Wins.  I really like the colors of sixty's Rebel kit from the DT group buy (http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1183):

[ATTACH=CONFIG]30332[/ATTACH]

My only concern is that the white legends look like they might be hard to see on the yellow.  Anyone know the color codes for these keys?

In the meantime, this is the best image I could find of SP's color samples:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]30329[/ATTACH]

The blue from aggiejy's RGB buy is BFN.  Based on the above image, my picks are BO, BFP, BFK, or BOH.  It's hard to judge color subtlety from a snapshot, but I think I like BFK best.  Well, maybe BOH.

aggiejy's red and green look fantastic IMO, and I think they might match the Rebel kit:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]30330[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]30331[/ATTACH]

edit: I'm guessing the Rebel kit yellow is YBP?  The others seem pretty bland.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: demik on Sat, 29 October 2011, 17:56:39

i agree with BFK. the green and red in aggiejy's is fantastic.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: tsangan on Sat, 29 October 2011, 18:02:51

BFK looks pretty good, but if we could find out what the Rebel RGBY colour code was that would be great.

Addional pics for you hashbaz:
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=29386&d=1319211444)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=29384&d=1319211432)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=29383&d=1319211429)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 29 October 2011, 18:41:53

Revamped the OP.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: N8N on Sat, 29 October 2011, 18:59:12

I'm still interested... probably only one ea. of RGBY-BASE and SHIFT-ANSI but would be in for a couple of REDESC - say three for counting purposes

now I'm regretting buying the SP red ESC keys :/

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 29 October 2011, 20:21:34

I vote for diamond or "super" on the Yellow key.

BFK or maybe BO look good for blue.

YBP looks a little yellow-orange for me, How about YY or YCH?

VV, VCS, VCJ looks good on the green. (I love VV best, but that's just me)

Just my input :)
---
EDIT: on the colour picture.. I think I remember someone scanned them all in sometime, but I didn't find it. Anyone else know about that?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: calavera on Sat, 29 October 2011, 22:30:47

You know if there wasn't a sample pic with the color codes, nobody would understand what we're talking about.

VV sure looks good with the EKS but at the same time SER compliments FQW better than the FQF, but I'm open to any VVC or VCV as long as we have OAS as the main. lol


Back on topic: no love for the single alt key for noppoo choco minis? :(

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: reaper on Sat, 29 October 2011, 22:41:37

I'm in for 1 RGB base and 1 shift ANSI.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 30 October 2011, 00:14:07

Quote from: calavera;442056

VV sure looks good with the EKS but at the same time SER compliments FQW better than the FQF, but I'm open to any VVC or VCV as long as we have OAS as the main.

I'd say that VV does look good, but using WA of WFK won't work out for YBP/YY; I propose GX or similar, but we maybe can't do VV with that.

I guess the hardest part about RGBY is getting VV/VCS/VCM, RA/RR/RCQ, BFP/BFK/BO/BOH, and YY/YCH/YBP to all mach with a decent WA/GX/GB, etc.

Perhaps a neutral GAY is the best option here?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 30 October 2011, 00:18:40

Quote from: calavera;442056

Back on topic: no love for the single alt key for noppoo choco minis? :(

As far as I can tell, only you and eyeshield21san have expressed interest in Choc-compatible keys.  I'll send Melissa an email about it tomorrow night and see what she comes back with on Monday.

Looking at a picture of a Choc though, it seems like a lot of special keys ... does anyone know the relevant sizes for sure?  Control and left Alt look like 1.5x, and right Shift maybe 1.75x?  Plus a 1x left Win and 1x right Alt.  All these would be new legends and subject to the $35-$45 setup fees.

My suggestion is to start up a sub-interest thread to rally Choc lovers.  If there's demand, I'm happy to accommodate.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 30 October 2011, 00:24:04

Quote from: dorkvader;442086

Perhaps a neutral GAY is the best option here?

I'd like to keep the legends white to match white-on-black doubleshot sets, which is what I believe most of us will be using these with.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 30 October 2011, 00:53:43

Day 8 draws to a close.  Added 2 REDESC and 3 RGBY.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 30 October 2011, 01:35:40

Just realized that I should probably post this at Deskthority since we have a solid ISO option.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Sun, 30 October 2011, 02:49:00

I did post this at DT already, the thread didn't raise much interest though. As for the colors, I'm more into the Rebel RGBY ones, especially for the blue and yellow. I PMd sixty to enquiry about the color codes, but he hasn't replied yet. Legends should be white, I hope we all agree on this. And despite some pictures, I think white on yellow will also be well readable on the actual keys, specially if we do the diamond shape, which is bold enough.

EDIT: I could not find other pictures of the diamond key (search should really be implemented here at GH...) but those are the SP text symbols, straight from Round 4 wiki. Diamond is probably the best, but triangle is not bad as well.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]30343[/ATTACH]

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: NumberJ on Sun, 30 October 2011, 22:36:31

re-interested in:

2x - REDESC
1x - RGBY-BASE
1x - SHIFT-ANSI

Located in the US.

edit: changed 1 red escape key to 2

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Mon, 31 October 2011, 12:45:02

Maybe it's time to set a deadline, that should revamp the interest in this MO.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 31 October 2011, 12:47:11

Well I'm down with any letter being on the window key so take your pick OP, you can't satisfy everyone

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 31 October 2011, 12:47:19

Yeah, I am working on a separate order thread now and waiting for some questions to be sorted out with the custom legends.  Grond, any word back from sixty re the Rebel colors?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Mon, 31 October 2011, 12:56:51

Not at all! I'll send him another PM.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: HoboBob on Mon, 31 October 2011, 20:59:19

Updated my interested list since I won't go for RGBY anymore:

5x REDESC

no more RGBY set for me

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 31 October 2011, 22:37:04

cycloverid is starting work on the Escape SVG.  He's also going to rescale the moogle legends to better match authentic Cherry caps (this will not require new legend fees).

As soon as we have the SVGs in hand and Melissa gives them the thumbs up, I'll open the order thread and we'll get this thing underway.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 31 October 2011, 23:02:53

Oh, and if anyone has access to an authentic Cherry red Escape (or high-resolution photos of one), cycloverid is looking for reference material.  I'll be PMing ripster and reaper about it.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Paulie on Tue, 01 November 2011, 06:02:20

I'd be down for a couple of escape keys and rgb sets, especially since there's an ISO option.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: ishtob on Tue, 01 November 2011, 11:05:33

REDESC x3
USA

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Feferi on Wed, 02 November 2011, 00:34:13

REDESC x1
RGBY-BASE x1
SHIFT-ANSI x1
USA

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: fstop on Wed, 02 November 2011, 01:37:24

Redesc x1

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 02 November 2011, 02:56:48

Day 11: 83-94 REDESC, 33-37 RGBY in total.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Wed, 02 November 2011, 03:03:02

Quote from: hashbaz;443912

Day 11: 83-94 REDESC, 33-37 RGBY in total.

I am sooooooo excited.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 02 November 2011, 03:06:11

Yeah it's shaping up well.  50 RGBYs is looking more and more plausible...

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Wed, 02 November 2011, 03:06:45

Quote from: hashbaz;443915

Yeah it's shaping up well.  50 RGBYs is looking more and more plausible...

What is the Blue that is being used? Also, the Green and Red would be nice to know as well.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 02 November 2011, 03:13:13

The plan is to use the red and green from aggiejy's buy (RA and VCM).  I'm hoping to hear back from sixty on which blue and yellow he used in the Rebel kits.  Looking at the images below, I think sixty's blue is BOH.  I really like either that or BFK.  Yellow, I'm not so sure.  The Rebel kit yellow looks really intense, which seems to rule out everything except YBP.  However, in the sample image YBP looks almost orange.  Dunno, maybe YCF?

[ATTACH=CONFIG]30615[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]30616[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]30614[/ATTACH]

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Wed, 02 November 2011, 03:16:22

Quote from: hashbaz;443919

The plan is to use the red and green from aggiejy's buy (RA and VCM).  I'm hoping to hear back from sixty on which blue and yellow he used in the Rebel kits.  Looking at the images below, I think sixty's blue is BOH.  I really like either that or BFK.  Yellow, I'm not so sure.  The Rebel kit yellow looks really intense, which seems to rule out everything except YBP.  However, in the sample image YBP looks almost orange.  Dunno, maybe YCF?

(Attachment) 30615[/ATTACH] (Attachment) 30616[/ATTACH] (Attachment) 30614[/ATTACH]

hmmm... Good call on Aggiejy's Red and Green. I am on the fence as to whether I am in love with my Blue from his set or if I hate it completely. I am a fan of lighter blues over darker so I would prefer BOH over BFK myself.

As a piece reference: The Yellow from the Awesome Key/ Nuclear keys will be YY. YBP is orange.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Wed, 02 November 2011, 03:43:45

Still no word from sixty. However I found this pic on DT:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]30618[/ATTACH]
Genuine cherry sublimated RGB on the left.

EDIT: Also, better pic of SP samples, stolen from kbdholic.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]30619[/ATTACH]
Full rez here: http://kbdholic.net/img/SP-ABS/color-abs.zip (http://kbdholic.net/img/SP-ABS/color-abs.zip)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: tsangan on Wed, 02 November 2011, 10:31:12

Grond: Awesome find, those colour match up really nice, really feeling the BFP for the blue, but the green on the cherry dyesubs seems to be darker would VCJ match it better?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Wed, 02 November 2011, 13:02:19

I have the same impression. I'm sure that Sixty looked for the best matching colors, though. Probably there's not a perfectly matching green among the SP color choice, so if we choose VCJ we probably end up with a slightly darker green than the original. I don't really mind, both VCJ and VCS are fine for me. But I believe there is must be a reason if Sixty chose VCS.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 03 November 2011, 00:33:38

Quote from: Grond;443932

Still no word from sixty. However I found this pic on DT:
(Attachment) 30618[/ATTACH]
Genuine cherry sublimated RGB on the left.

EDIT: Also, better pic of SP samples, stolen from kbdholic.
(Attachment) 30619[/ATTACH]
Full rez here: http://kbdholic.net/img/SP-ABS/color-abs.zip (http://kbdholic.net/img/SP-ABS/color-abs.zip)

Thanks for posting this, Grond.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 03 November 2011, 10:17:23

Question for the ISO people: should the ISO left Shift have just an arrow, or arrow plus the word "Shift"?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Thu, 03 November 2011, 10:42:14

It's just an arrow. The word "shift" won't fit anyway.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]30747[/ATTACH]

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 03 November 2011, 10:50:38

So right Shift will have "shift", but not left?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Thu, 03 November 2011, 11:05:00

Quote

So right Shift will have "shift", but not left?

In original ISO sets, none of the two shifts sports the "shift" word. It's just an arrow on both. Backspace is also just an arrow. "Enter", however, does have a word ("Invio" on italian sets). So I don't mind having "shift" on the right shift.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 03 November 2011, 11:12:07

Quote from: ripster;444896

Here's some closeup pics of the Cherry Esc key (the red is the same font) and the Meta key from Group Buy One.  Meta  Group Buy One>>>> Meta Group Buy Three.  You meta believe it!

(Attachment) 30744[/ATTACH] (Attachment) 30745[/ATTACH] (Attachment) 30746[/ATTACH]

Thanks ripster.  Any chance you could get your red Escape in the same image as a black and/or white Escape?  cycloverid is concerned about how the different versions vary in line thickness.

Personally, I kind of think we should just copy the thickness of the black Escape, since I suspect that's what most of us will be pairing this set with.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 03 November 2011, 11:13:42

Quote from: Grond;444906

In original ISO sets, none of the two shifts sports the "shift" word. It's just an arrow on both. Backspace is also just an arrow. "Enter", however, does have a word ("Invio" on italian sets). So I don't mind having "shift" on the right shift.

So would you want the right Shift to be "shift"-less as well?  That would be another $45 split among the 10 or so current ISO buyers.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Thu, 03 November 2011, 11:20:30

No, I'm fine with the Ansi right shift! :D

Quote

Personally, I kind of think we should just copy the thickness of the black Escape, since I suspect that's what most of us will be pairing this set with.

+1

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 03 November 2011, 11:29:21

Quote from: Grond;444888

It's just an arrow. The word "shift" won't fit anyway.
(Attachment) 30747[/ATTACH]

Holding up a genuine Cherry Shift against an SP 1.25x key, it looks like the arrow + "shift" might just barely fit.  I can ask Melissa about it, at any rate.

Suppose that it does fit, would you still rather have just the arrow?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Thu, 03 November 2011, 11:38:53

Quote

Holding up a genuine Cherry Shift against an SP 1.25x key, it looks like the arrow + "shift" might just barely fit. I can ask Melissa about it, at any rate.

Suppose that it does fit, would you still rather have just the arrow?

I don't know what other ISO guy think, but I'd rather have without legend. I think the word could fit only if the arrow itself is aligned closer to the left edge, but then It would be off compared to the other keys. In this case, I'd rather keep the arrow alone.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 03 November 2011, 11:55:02

Quote from: Grond;444932

I don't know what other ISO guy think, but I'd rather have without legend. I think the word could fit only if the arrow itself is aligned closer to the left edge, but then It would be off compared to the other keys. In this case, I'd rather keep the arrow alone.

Yeah I'm sure you're right about the arrow alignment.  Okay, arrow-only it is, unless other ISO guys protest.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Reptile on Thu, 03 November 2011, 17:28:51

REDESC x1
RGBY-BASE x1
SHIFT-ANSI x1
USA

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Paulie on Thu, 03 November 2011, 19:53:14

Just confirming interest.

REDESC x2
RGBY-BASE, SHIFT-ISO x2

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 03 November 2011, 20:36:44

Quote from: Paulie;445162

Just confirming interest.

REDESC x2
RGBY-BASE, SHIFT-ISO x2

Just to be clear, does this mean

REDESC x2
RGBY-BASE x2
SHIFT-ISO x2

or

REDESC x2
RGBY-BASE x1
SHIFT-ISO x2

??

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Reptile on Thu, 03 November 2011, 22:42:45

Quote from: Reptile;445127

REDESC x1
RGBY-BASE x1
SHIFT-ANSI x1
USA

*EDIT* Can I get a just the left shift and not the right? (choc mini)

And tell me if this would work or not or if it would be plausible.

Choc mini has a small right shift that is a tiny bit bigger than the iso shift. So I am thinking left side RGB is same as regular ansi board. But right side I could have the regular ctrl key with the iso shift for the right?

Any ideas?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: danielhong on Fri, 04 November 2011, 01:27:45

Interested!
In for a Esc and rgb set. BOTH~~!!!

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Paulie on Fri, 04 November 2011, 05:34:41

Quote from: hashbaz;445186

Just to be clear, does this mean

REDESC x2
RGBY-BASE x2
SHIFT-ISO x2

or

REDESC x2
RGBY-BASE x1
SHIFT-ISO x2

??

My bad.

REDESC x2
RGBY-BASE x2
SHIFT-ISO x2

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 04 November 2011, 08:16:42

Quote from: Reptile;445257

*EDIT* Can I get a just the left shift and not the right? (choc mini)

And tell me if this would work or not or if it would be plausible.

Choc mini has a small right shift that is a tiny bit bigger than the iso shift. So I am thinking left side RGB is same as regular ansi board. But right side I could have the regular ctrl key with the iso shift for the right?

Any ideas?

I think I understand -- you're saying use a regular ANSI left Shift, and an ISO left Shift in place of your right Shift (which would be too short by .25x or something)?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 04 November 2011, 08:31:39

I think I missed a daily update or two along the way.  13 days in, we're at 86-97 REDESC and 35-39 RGBY.

The actual order thread will be up soon, I promise, depending on how close the Escape legend is to completion.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Reptile on Fri, 04 November 2011, 09:14:03

Quote from: hashbaz;445401

I think I understand -- you're saying use a regular ANSI left Shift, and an ISO left Shift in place of your right Shift (which would be too short by .25x or something)?

Yes. Would this be possible to replace the right ansi shift for the iso shift and have it still be a kit?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 04 November 2011, 11:35:26

I don't think so.  But you can buy an extra ISO Shift.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Reptile on Fri, 04 November 2011, 12:12:34

Quote from: hashbaz;445537

I don't think so.  But you can buy an extra ISO Shift.

OK so:

REDESC x1
RGBY-BASE x1
SHIFT-ANSI x1
SHIFT-ISO x1
USA

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 04 November 2011, 12:16:18

Also, it's not too late to agitate for Choc-specific keys.  Calavera has asked multiple times about this.  If there's enough interest to make it economical, I'd be happy to add Choc versions of the relevant keys.  So far it doesn't seem like there is enough interest though. :-/

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: nikonf5 on Fri, 04 November 2011, 12:25:07

2 x RGBY-BASE
2 x SHIFT-ANSI

Canada

Dont have any input to give on the Windows legend but BOH and YCH look really good as the blue and yellow respectively.

I always thought the original RGB was great but the blue was too light.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hazeluff on Fri, 04 November 2011, 13:32:22

Interested in

RGBY-BASE x1
SHIFT-ANSI x1
RED ESC x1

UK

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Fri, 04 November 2011, 14:58:46

Okay, so, if I like the blue that is chosen then I am down for 2 sets, and 4 esc's. I couldn't care less about the yellow; I have a ton of modifiers to use already.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: AlleyViper on Fri, 04 November 2011, 17:09:35

Quote from: hashbaz;444914

Thanks ripster.  Any chance you could get your red Escape in the same image as a black and/or white Escape?  cycloverid is concerned about how the different versions vary in line thickness.

Personally, I kind of think we should just copy the thickness of the black Escape, since I suspect that's what most of us will be pairing this set with.

Btw, I have a fentec Red Esc like the one ripster posted next to a Cherry Corp, which seems currently the closest for sale (regular SP is All Caps). Other than the slightly mismatching font, the legend is not perfectly aligned with the rest of my 3000's lasered keys. They don't seem to be perfectly centered on the vertical, being a couple points shifted down, while the SP is. Also there's a little more border space to the left, one or two points, on the SP key. I guess only a person with an original key can confirm both vertical alignment (if it's slightly shifted down) and relative border space.
Beware to match it's colour also, as the cherry key seems a bit orangish.
To make a perfect clone, it's a shame that SPs key corners are more pronounced, and the key surface a little more textured (and a tiny bit more concave).
Also, there's some things to account for if perfection is intended, there's a chance that SP's process deforms the original svg a bit near the left and right borders (where is more concave). If you check their red esc, or the one made for Fentec, the letter E seems deformed, with the upper and lower bars converging to the center. I don't think is present on their original font. Also, if you check the first pics you posted, I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the font seems way thicker than in the original cherry keys, so if font bleeding is a subproduct of the process, the svg should take in account the original thickness before plastic bleed.

The E deformation is like

|\
|-
|/

REDESC 2X
Portugal

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 05 November 2011, 02:15:50

Day 14: 91-102 ESC, 40-44 RGBY

So this interest thread has been pretty specific, and is basically an order thread.  Nevertheless, I'm going to put together final prices for everything and figure out logistics this weekend, and will post an official order thread early next week.

I have a text file with everyone's name and preliminary orders.  I'll post this info as the first comment in the order thread, so you all can either post changes to your order or just say "confirm" and I'll convert your preliminary order into an official order.  This will also create an opportunity to clear up ambiguous preliminary orders.

Be excited, let's get to 50 RGBYs!

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sat, 05 November 2011, 02:18:53

Quote from: hashbaz;446068

day 14: 91-102 esc, 40-44 rgby

so this interest thread has been pretty specific, and is basically an order thread.  Nevertheless, i'm going to put together final prices for everything and figure out logistics this weekend, and will post an official order thread early next week.

I have a text file with everyone's name and preliminary orders.  I'll post this info as the first comment in the order thread, so you all can either post changes to your order or just say "confirm" and i'll convert your preliminary order into an official order.  This will also create an opportunity to clear up ambiguous preliminary orders.

Be excited, let's get to 50 rgbys!

which blue which blue?!

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 05 November 2011, 02:31:37

Quote from: RColinTaylor;446070

which blue which blue?!

Pretty sure it'll be BFK.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sat, 05 November 2011, 02:35:35

Awe man; BOH is so much nicer imo... but I am not a fan of hard blues.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 05 November 2011, 03:25:13

Quote from: RColinTaylor;446076

Awe man; BOH is so much nicer imo... but I am not a fan of hard blues.

I really like BOH too.  I just worry it'll end up too light.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sat, 05 November 2011, 07:28:03

Quote from: hashbaz;446085

I really like BOH too.  I just worry it'll end up too light.

Yea, but lightness is based on perspective. I look at the Aggiejy blue as way lighter and that still seems normal to me.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: 7bit on Sat, 05 November 2011, 07:46:06

Quote from: RColinTaylor;446076

Awe man; BOH is so much nicer imo... but I am not a fan of hard blues.

Do you mean BDH?

(http://deskthority.net/w/images/thumb/b/b4/Round4_color_sample_001.jpg/300px-Round4_color_sample_001.jpg)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sat, 05 November 2011, 07:57:34

Quote from: 7bit;446131

Do you mean BDH?

Show Image

(http://deskthority.net/w/images/thumb/b/b4/Round4_color_sample_001.jpg/300px-Round4_color_sample_001.jpg)

If I say yes then can we get icecream on the way home?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 05 November 2011, 09:56:50

Quote from: 7bit;446131

Do you mean BDH?

Show Image

(http://deskthority.net/w/images/thumb/b/b4/Round4_color_sample_001.jpg/300px-Round4_color_sample_001.jpg)

I mean fourth from bottom in the blue column in this image (http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=30616&d=1311978939).  I guess that's a D?  I read it as O.

At any rate, this spherical keycap image is very helpful, thanks for posting! :)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: tsangan on Sat, 05 November 2011, 10:04:20

BDH looks like a pretty light blue

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Brendan on Sat, 05 November 2011, 13:19:30

2 red escape keys for me!

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: TheProfosist on Sat, 05 November 2011, 13:21:45

Interested in
1xEsc
1xRGBY
1xANSI
and possibly double that.

I would also be interested in a short right shift.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 06 November 2011, 00:35:38

Day 15: 92-104 REDESC, 41-46 RGBY

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Mysteric on Sun, 06 November 2011, 06:22:16

REDESC x 1
RGBY-BASE x 1
SHIFT-ISO x 1

UK

How much is delivery likely to be to the UK?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 06 November 2011, 23:25:25

Quote from: Mackem;446611

How much is delivery likely to be to the UK?

Probably something like $6 for a bubble mailer without tracking number, and $15 for USPS Priority Mail in a small box with tracking number.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: demik on Sun, 06 November 2011, 23:31:08

just to make my order more clear (since it was a like vague in my first reply)


REDESC x 3
RGBY-BASE x 2
SHIFT-ANSI x 2

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: nerfredux on Mon, 07 November 2011, 02:43:33

REDESC x 1
RGBY-BASE x 1
SHIFT-ANSI x 1

Australia

How much for shipping to Aus? (if it hasn't been asked already)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 07 November 2011, 04:49:06

Quote from: nerfredux;447174

REDESC x 1
RGBY-BASE x 1
SHIFT-ANSI x 1

Australia

How much for shipping to Aus? (if it hasn't been asked already)

Exact prices are not set in stone yet, but international shipping cost will be uniform across the world.  So Australia will be the same as what I said for the UK a couple of posts ago -- something like $6 for a bubble mailer and $15 for a box with tracking number.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: nikonf5 on Mon, 07 November 2011, 08:13:40

Quote from: nikonf5;445577

2 x RGBY-BASE
2 x SHIFT-ANSI

Canada

Dont have any input to give on the Windows legend but BOH and YCH look really good as the blue and yellow respectively.

I always thought the original RGB was great but the blue was too light.

Am quoting my own order above as I may have to cancel it if the key height difference between Filco std keys and the SP keys being ordered here is the same as that referenced in the pic in the first post of the following thread:
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?11998-104-US-ANSI-Double-shot-replacements-for-Filco-Order (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?11998-104-US-ANSI-Double-shot-replacements-for-Filco-Order)

I dont wanna cancel it but if it is true, I wont have a choice so if anyone can pls confirm for sure either way, I would be very grateful as I have another group buy that will also be negatively affected by this.

Thanks.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 07 November 2011, 09:27:56

My SP shamrock keycap is noticeably shorter than the keycaps on my CMstorm or WASD

I put it on esc, and it's not as noticeable from the top.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: nikonf5 on Mon, 07 November 2011, 11:01:42

Quote from: nikonf5;445577

2 x RGBY-BASE
2 x SHIFT-ANSI

Canada

Dont have any input to give on the Windows legend but BOH and YCH look really good as the blue and yellow respectively.

I always thought the original RGB was great but the blue was too light.

Really sorry to do this but I will have to cancel the order above as the SP keycaps are shorter than the Filco ones and I wasnt aware of this before.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 07 November 2011, 11:55:18

Quote from: nikonf5;447330

Really sorry to do this but I will have to cancel the order above as the SP keycaps are shorter than the Filco ones and I wasnt aware of this before.

That's fine, but you are aware that every group buy on geekhack is this way right?  That's just how SP caps are.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 07 November 2011, 11:58:10

Quote from: nikonf5;447330

Really sorry to do this but I will have to cancel the order above as the SP keycaps are shorter than the Filco ones and I wasnt aware of this before.

In reality, the Filco key caps are the wrong ones. Cherry and SP are right height.
You can replace those cheapish lasered Filco caps by a wide variety of key caps from Round 4!

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Mon, 07 November 2011, 13:25:43

Quote from: 7bit;447366

In reality, the Filco key caps are the wrong ones. Cherry and SP are right height.
You can replace those cheapish lasered Filco caps by a wide variety of key caps from Round 4!

Shameless.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 07 November 2011, 16:16:43

I have a set of color samples on the way from SP.  I decided that I couldn't do this buy right without looking at the colors in person.

And just as a heads up, after the buy I will probably make them available for other group buy organizers to borrow.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Mon, 07 November 2011, 17:28:47

Good choice, it's hard to rely on pictures!

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 08 November 2011, 02:00:45

Day 16: 95-104 REDESC, 41-44 RGBY

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: wongster on Tue, 08 November 2011, 02:34:12

Will you allow Bay Area people to pick up from you, hashbaz?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 08 November 2011, 02:40:59

If you come to me, sure. :)

I work in Emeryville.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: wongster on Tue, 08 November 2011, 02:50:20

Yay! Five to ten minutes away :)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Vornath on Tue, 08 November 2011, 03:56:36

1 x RGBY-BASE
1 x SHIFT-ANSI

USA

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Wraul on Tue, 08 November 2011, 10:14:15

I posted my interest in this thread before.
Just want to make a more precise estimate of how many sets I would buy.

10 Red Esc
6 RGBY-Base
6 Shift-ISO
3 Shift-ANSI

I live in Sweden

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 08 November 2011, 11:34:50

Quote from: Wraul;447967

I posted my interest in this thread before.
Just want to make a more precise estimate of how many sets I would buy.

10 Red Esc
6 RGBY-Base
6 Shift-ISO
3 Shift-ANSI

I live in Sweden

This is what I like to see!

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 08 November 2011, 11:40:14

Quote from: Wraul;447967

I posted my interest in this thread before.
Just want to make a more precise estimate of how many sets I would buy.

10 Red Esc
6 RGBY-Base
6 Shift-ISO
3 Shift-ANSI

I live in Sweden

BOOM! You are awesome.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 08 November 2011, 11:46:00

Oh and thank you Hashbaz on getting the colour pallet samples, the pictures are hard to tell ;(

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 08 November 2011, 12:15:54

The samples should arrive tomorrow.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Tue, 08 November 2011, 12:44:20

Quote from: hashbaz;448038

The samples should arrive tomorrow.

Order thread is coming right after or are we still waiting for the Esc svg?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 08 November 2011, 12:52:48

Quote from: Grond;448056

Order thread is coming right after or are we still waiting for the Esc svg?

Right after.  I'd like to confine all the ambiguity to this thread, so there's no doubt about what we're getting and what it will cost in the real order thread.  Sorry I didn't think to order samples earlier on, the order thread should have been up a while ago.  Better to do it late and right, though, I think.

That said, the SVG won't be complete by tomorrow.  cycloverid is starting work on it as he finishes up the shipping on his moogle kit buy.  I think the images of his finished moogle keys demonstrate the quality of his work well enough that we don't need to wait to start orders.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Kisakuku on Tue, 08 November 2011, 14:03:14

Quote from: hashbaz;447890

If you come to me, sure. :)

I work in Emeryville.

Well, in that case...

2 RedEsc
1 RGBY-Base
1 Shift-ANSI

But only because I work near Berkeley Marina and can pick them up in about five minutes :)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 09 November 2011, 00:23:43

Day 17: 105-113 REDESC, 45-47 RGBY

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: AbsurdMan on Wed, 09 November 2011, 02:13:12

1 redesc
1 rgby-base
1 shift-ansi
usa

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 09 November 2011, 15:37:52

Color samples did not arrive today.  Boo.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: 7roi on Wed, 09 November 2011, 21:39:25

2 rgby-base
2 shift-ansi
South Korea

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: bavman on Wed, 09 November 2011, 22:10:05

I think i already said that im in for a rgby set with ansi, but i'd like to add a tally to the red esc key. I'm digging the one i got with the filco you sent me. A double shot one would be awesome.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 10 November 2011, 01:01:50

Day 18: 109-117 REDESC, 47-49 RGBY

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 10 November 2011, 12:02:33

Samples are listed as out for delivery.  I have the order thread OP written, and am putting the finishing touches on my order helper script.  Thread should go up tonight. :D

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Thu, 10 November 2011, 15:41:05

Quote from: hashbaz;449316

Samples are listed as out for delivery.  I have the order thread OP written, and am putting the finishing touches on my order helper script.  Thread should go up tonight. :D

Are you using a scripting program or excel?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 10 November 2011, 15:50:50

Both.  Well, it's a Google spreadsheet.  The spreadsheet will be the master copy of recorded orders, and my Python script will scrape it and update the OP automagically.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Thu, 10 November 2011, 15:54:20

Quote from: hashbaz;449523

Both.  Well, it's a Google spreadsheet.  The spreadsheet will be the master copy of recorded orders, and my Python script will scrape it and update the OP automagically.

Oh nice.

My method was to use an Excel sheet to keep all of the records but then integrate a function which tallies the overall counts for each key, another to calculate the pricing for each key order for each person, and then a final one to calculate the price/shipping/paypal fees for everyone. The only thing it can't do on its own is change the price of keys as the quantities increase but that is pretty simple to do on my own.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 10 November 2011, 17:14:58

Ok, I've looked over the samples and it really wasn't much of a contest.  We're going with BDH (aka BOH) for blue and YY and yellow.  So turns out we were headed in the right direction, but having the physical samples in front of me is reassuring.  I'll post a bunch more pics of the various options tonight, but I think it's pretty much a slam dunk for these colors.  These images were taken outside on a sunny day, and have been white balanced.

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Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: cmh on Thu, 10 November 2011, 17:15:48

2 redesc
2 rgby-base
USA

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Mysteric on Thu, 10 November 2011, 17:48:42

So how much are we looking at roughly at the moment for the res Esc and RGBY kit (w/ ISO shift)

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: TheProfosist on Thu, 10 November 2011, 17:55:16

Colors look great!

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 10 November 2011, 17:56:48

Quote from: Mackem;449582

So how much are we looking at roughly at the moment for the res Esc and RGBY kit (w/ ISO shift)

I have to double-check my numbers still, but if we can get into the 50 RGBY bracket, we'll be looking at a final cost of $20 or less for one red Escape and one RGBY kit.  This doesn't include shipping.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 10 November 2011, 18:16:14

I've emailed Melissa to verify that those color choices will be in stock.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Mysteric on Thu, 10 November 2011, 18:22:01

Quote from: hashbaz;449590

I have to double-check my numbers still, but if we can get into the 50 RGBY bracket, we'll be looking at a final cost of $20 or less for one red Escape and one RGBY kit.  This doesn't include shipping.

Sounds good. Gonna have to get myself a keycap puller though :L

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: RColinTaylor on Thu, 10 November 2011, 20:13:33

Okay, I am happy with the blue; Consider my full interest as 5 esc's and 3 rgb sets.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: z7nz on Thu, 10 November 2011, 23:39:39

Interest in 1 Esc + 1 RGBY set

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 11 November 2011, 01:26:02

More color sample pictures, for the curious:

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[ATTACH=CONFIG]31592[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]31594[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]31596[/ATTACH]

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 11 November 2011, 02:20:06

And, the official colors all together:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]31598[/ATTACH]

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: 7roi on Fri, 11 November 2011, 10:06:38

[ATTACH=CONFIG]31605[/ATTACH]
left : aggiejy's RGB , right : Rebel RGB 1.2 (1.5 is more dark blue)

In my opinion, Rebel RGB 1.2 blue is BDH.
I think BFK will be better than BDH.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 11 November 2011, 10:13:32

BDH in person looks quite a bit darker than the 1.2 key in your image.  It's always hard to tell of course, and looking back at my own shots from yesterday, it's possible that your key is be BDH.  BFK and BDH are very close.  I chose BDH because it's a tad warmer than BFK, but still what I would call a dark blue.  In the sunlight yesterday I couldn't tell them apart.

And the contrast with aggiejy's blue is much sharper in person than it looks like in your image.  Look how dark it looks in my post immediately previous to yours.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 11 November 2011, 10:28:40

Here's a fresh picture, in soft morning light.  Both are way darker than BFN, but BDH is a bit brighter.

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Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: lyk503 on Fri, 11 November 2011, 10:35:22

Interested in:

1 esc key
1 rgby kit with ANSI left shift

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: 7roi on Fri, 11 November 2011, 10:44:39

OK, Thanks. In this picture, Your choice is much better than my opinion.^^

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 11 November 2011, 10:50:34

Yes!  Consensus! :D

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Fri, 11 November 2011, 10:53:40

Color choice is fine for me!

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: tsangan on Fri, 11 November 2011, 10:59:38

For the esc key are we gonna go with the Cherry Corp red which is a little orange?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Grond on Fri, 11 November 2011, 11:08:55

Quote from: tsangan;449992

For the esc key are we gonna go with the Cherry Corp red which is a little orange?

Personally I'd rather have it matching to the red Controls...

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: Reptile on Fri, 11 November 2011, 11:46:26

Quote from: Grond;449996

Personally I'd rather have it matching to the red Controls...

+1

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 11 November 2011, 11:51:35

Quote from: tsangan;449992

For the esc key are we gonna go with the Cherry Corp red which is a little orange?

We're going with the same red as aggiejy's RGB set, for both Escape and Control.

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Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: bellaisa on Fri, 11 November 2011, 12:16:01

sorry for being noob, new here. will these keys fit in a leopold keyboard?

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 11 November 2011, 12:22:17

Quote from: bellaisa;450042

sorry for being noob, new here. will these keys fit in a leopold keyboard?

Yes!  Note though that the legends on these keys are intended to match a Cherry doubleshot keycap set like this one (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?20113-Official-Cherry-Double-Shot-Keycap-Set).  They won't match the font on your Leo's stock caps.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: AlleyViper on Fri, 11 November 2011, 21:54:13

Quote from: hashbaz;450022

We're going with the same red as aggiejy's RGB set, for both Escape and Control.

"-1"

IMHO, what made the Cherry Corp red Esc quite unique was the orangish red. Else, it's just another red esc.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 11 November 2011, 21:55:12

For me it's all about the font.  I want a red Escape that matches my Cherry sets.  I'm not a fan of the orangey-red.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 12 November 2011, 00:50:41

Ok guys, I'm about to post the order thread.  For the record, the interest level is at 113-121 REDESC and 51-53 RGBY.

Title: [Interest Check] Faux Cherry Red ESC + RGBY modifiers
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 12 November 2011, 00:57:04

Order thread is up! (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?23865-OPEN-Faux-Cherry-Red-ESC-RGBY-modifier-kit&p=450247)  Sorry for the delay.