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geekhack Community => Other Geeky Stuff => Topic started by: Ekaros on Sun, 30 October 2011, 05:46:07
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So, I don't know or care to look if this already exist...
What is your best computer investment, in sense of pleasure and enjoyment.
For me the other is Filco with Browns, obvious reasons for everyone here, still my favorite board.
And the other is my Lenovo L220x display, nice M-PVA 22" and 1920x1200 resolution. Sadly those aren't made anymore :(
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has to be the combination of $500 ergohuman chair and three ergotron arms 2 monitor 1keyboard, i guess 3 used kinesis as well, but they could be better (and will be).
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I dunno, I definitely think it's all about the monitor and peripherals though; they tend to be more important to the user experience than the CPU itself. I'd say it's a tie between my nice big monitor and my Filco just because I haven't found a 100% perfect mouse yet.
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2233RZ 120Hz monitor.
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I bought a collector's edition of Battlefield 2142 a long time ago and it came with a Battlefield 2142 headset. I've been using it as a microphone for the longest time, I just wear the headset around my neck because it kills to wear it around my ears but the microphone is pretty good quality for something I got free.
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Probably Duke Nukem 3d back then, never played a game that much again...
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27" >HD monitor. I had 1920x1440 "hi rez" monitors about 10 years ago. CRTs are amazing like that. The 1920x1080 gimped resolution doesn't do it for me, and the 2 30" I own are a bit too big. 27" is just right. Now, if they would just come out with a 27" Cintiq like the 24" one that just announced, I'd be a happy dude.
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The biggest and best computer investment I ever made was I bought a Q6600 and 8800GT when they were released. I got like 7 years outta those thangs.
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Hmmm, Q6600 came out in Jan 2007... That's coming up on 5 years. 8800GT on Oct 2007, that's 4 years. I also have one of each of those (in different machines) and they are quite nice for the price I paid, but I made a point of not buying them anywhere near the release date. Considering the Q6600 is running my server for both business and personal use it's probably the better of the hardware investments I've made.
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One of the best is definitely my Wacom Intuos3 9x12 drawing tablet. It costed $300+ when I bought it, but damn was it worth it. I've had it for about 6 years now and it still works as well as the day I bought it... great piece of hardware.
The other is my 27" iMac, mainly for its display (but its hardware is nice too). 2560x1440 is such a great resolution to work at and its pixel density is awesome too. I'll never drop down to a smaller monitor again.
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Probably the best monetary investment was the IBM server I got with 16GB RAM, two xeons, and four HDDs for $500.
Yeah, but I don't use it a whole lot.
In terms of pleasure and enjoyment; most of that equipment was all free. Everyone who sees my beige '86 model M thinks it's a piece of crap, along with the other good stuff.
It was all neglected and heading out for the dump in one form or another.
But I always clean it up and take good care of it all.
Humans are so wasteful. Value shouldn't be judged through the eye of the beholder, but for what the item actually is and does.
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I had 1920x1440 "hi rez" monitors about 10 years ago. CRTs are amazing like that.
Amazing if you could live with the geometric distortion, the flicker (which is, to some people with good eyesight, very noticeable, even at high refresh rate), if you liked the fact that old CRTs were all analogs and if you didn't mind screen-burning (aka "screen afterimage"). Not to mention that they did "age" and gave worse and worse quality over time (but, granted, the colors were good).
I was shelling big $$$ for Sony Trinitron CRTs back when I was working in the pre-press industry but I jumped ship as soon as 20" flat panels with DVI output came out and never looked back.
Old keyboards: yes. Old analog CRTs: no way : )
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My keyboard, I know this may sound kind of cliche but it truly has provided a luxury that I am very thankful for.
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You mentioned all my dislikes about CRT. I wouldn't go back either, but LCD has many faults as well. I still see ghosting, have burn in, ****ty colors, laughable black levels, laaaaaag.
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Weight and space alone are enough for me to be grateful the CRT days are over. The guys who handle color correction where I work still use them though.
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One of the best is definitely my Wacom Intuos3 9x12 drawing tablet. It costed $300+ when I bought it, but damn was it worth it. I've had it for about 6 years now and it still works as well as the day I bought it... great piece of hardware.
The other is my 27" iMac, mainly for its display (but its hardware is nice too). 2560x1440 is such a great resolution to work at and its pixel density is awesome too. I'll never drop down to a smaller monitor again.
Agreed on the wacom being a good buy, I only have a bamboo (~$100) but it has proven extremely useful for taking notes. Very useful when i have to nut out some math real quick, or quite often i'll be in a skype call with other developers and sketch up some software architecture, I bring it along to university and write up my notes with it as well. The best part about using one for taking notes is that if you organise your files properly you never lose your work, whereas a disorganized guy like me working on paper winds up with 30 piles of paper that just get thrown out XD.
Being able to draw in photoshop with it or play OSU with a wacom is a nice fun side benefit when I have the time :)
I would definitely consider buying a higher end model when I have the cash.
However my best investment was definitely picking up the stripped cabinet for this bad boy for $40:
(http://www.fobbah.com/data/cabinet3.jpg)
Sure, i pumped about another $500-600 into building the thing, but the cabinet was damn cheap.
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I too would say the best computer related investment I made has got to be my Wacom Bamboo Fun. I bought it when I was 15 with birthday money and have never looked back. While I might not use mine every day I do use it a lot and it has helped my casual hobby of being a photoshop user since I was 12. I used to edit car pictures and make them look like they were all tricked out.
For example taking a picture like this:
(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7313/0709turp03onissansilvia.jpg)
and turning it into this:
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2356/s15endhighres.jpg)
Note, that wasn't one of mine, but I started off using photoshop trying to do things like that and I learned a lot of stuff. And while I don't do that kinda stuff anymore I do use it for the occasional web design or graphics project and I'm very happy that I have it every time I use it.
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They have their quirks, but the last two FD Trinitron G1 monitors I've bought (21", can handle 1600x1200 at 95 Hz) serve me well for things that cost me $6 and $10. I can't be bothered to pay several times those prices for LCDs that still have some tradeoffs, though if one of you is willing to give me a 30" 2560x1600 IPS monitor just to get me to switch, I'll take it. (24" 1920x1200 IPS would be fine too, but no lower than that.)
As a work tool, I suppose my best computer-related investment is my HP 2730p. AFFS+ LCD, Wacom Penabled, lasts quite a while on battery (especially with a slice battery), and this one had the extra perk of having an Intel X18-M 80 GB already installed. The only big drawback would be the Intel GMA 4500MHD, but with convertibles like this, I don't have much choice.
But why is it such a good investment over my past two convertibles? I'd say it's a combination of the screen, the battery life, the light weight (for a convertible), and generally being free of paper notebooks. Can't stand working with paper for note-taking, but I still need a pen for math.
For something more recreational...hard to say. It could be my highly-modified Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar + RCS pedal setup that I've had for several years, but I'd give all of that up if I had to lose my TrackIR 4 Pro otherwise. It could also be my vintage Stax Lambda setup (which is computer-related in that it stays tethered to my desktop), but I need more than a month to pass proper judgment on that.
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i guess this is where being colorblind is cool, i really don't care for crt, tube anything anymore. but i have lots of ppl come over and go, your colors look off, then i bought a pantone thing and have only computer profiles and they stop complaining, don't know how to calibrate my projector tho, it's sad lol the only way to calibrate my projector is with THX. THX dvd's come with a calibration, you wear special glasses (they're like cardboard) i couldn't see the special images, so like my fiance' had to calibrate it.
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My pr0n collection.
Anyone who says otherwise is lying or female.
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Time can also be considered an investment...
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bandwidth
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Door locks (if still living with parents), a good pair of headphones...
But think of all the money you're saving without a GF!
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CS/EE degree
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CS/EE degree
Does Communications count? ;D
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CS/EE degree
Is this some new Enhanced Edition of the classic Counter-Strike?
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Yeah, that 3k€ of loan which I have used 1k€ of is killing me ;D
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You sure about that?
Yes. I graduated with no loans and a few bucks left over, from a part-time job senior year. That was Silicon Valley before the bubble popped. Whee :biggrin:
For young people today in post-Hope America, a science/tech/engineering/math education is one of the few ways left to get into a good career so you can pay off the loans.
My brother just got his Master's degree in drama and stage acting. God help him.
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What is your best computer investment, in sense of pleasure and enjoyment?
My desktop. Still running strong.
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Yes. I graduated with no loans and a few bucks left over, from a part-time job senior year. That was Silicon Valley before the bubble popped. Whee :biggrin:
For young people today in post-Hope America, a science/tech/engineering/math education is one of the few ways left to get into a good career so you can pay off the loans.
My brother just got his Master's degree in drama and stage acting. God help him.
I guess I have a good plan then! I know a couple kids who are going to end up like your brother though.
As not to threadcrap, I'm going to say that recently it's my Logitech X-530s, though prior to that it was probably my first desktop, which I got off my sister's friend for $50. Wasn't particularly good, but it got me interested in computer hardware, and later computer programming.
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Okay, I'll post on topic too.
I built an 800Mhz "thunderbird" Athlon for my same brother in August of 2000, back when those were about the fastest CPUs that anyone had seen. He used it for a year and turned it back over to me. That box ran quietly and reliably for ten years.
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My Intel X25 SSDs.
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Probably my computer chair and desk. When I moved into a apartment 2 years ago, then tenant left his computer chair. Best chair I have ever had. My desk was my school desk growing up, and I love it to death. There is a shelf under it and I put my feet there sometimes, and lots of other nice stuff! Computer-wise, I <3 my samsung syncmaster. Makes everything look so pretty.
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Gonna have to say my 128GB M4 SSD and my Logitech MX400 laser mouse. It's the only mouse i've used on my home computers for almost 6 years and it's still going strong.
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I can't live without my U2711.
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Nec 3090 ftw.
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My LG P300 laptop. Thin and Light Enough that I can bring it anywhere. Powerful enough that it's all I need to bring to do anything. And with enough battery life to let me take notes during the longest of my continuous blocks of lectures.
There's nothing like a professor referencing something you learned 3 years ago and being able to type that into a search box and instantly having your notes from 3 years ago available right there while the prof is talking about it in the lecture.
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Oh man this is a good one, My first great investment was my ibook g4. Since then I have had 4 good investments that I use all the time.
-13" MBP
-SSD
-Timbuk2 bag
-Filco tkl
They have all been doing a great job getting me through school
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Probably my ClickClack keys and my doubleshot Cherry Corp esc key.
They appreciate in value every time I breathe ;)
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Definitely my computer desk. I was using desks way too high for a long time and finally got (well, made) a desk that was low enough for proper posture at the computer. This has had by far the most significant impact on my comfort out of every investment I've made.
As far as internals go, the Q6600 was a surprisingly good investment. That thing is still going strong and I expect to be using it for a while longer.
Some others that come to mind:
My speakers (Swan D1080). These things not only sound great, but they are absolutely gorgeous. Couldn't be happier with this purchase.
Trackball (CST L-Trac). Using this at work made all my wrist/hand pain go away almost immediately, and since I don't game at work there's no downside.
Mechanical keyboards of course (Leopold). I'll never be going back, and I plan on using the ones I now have for years to come.
For fun, here are some of my worst computer-related investments:
Razer Deathadder
Sennheiser PC151
Every keyboard I had previously
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Probably spending a little more to get a Corsair PSU (650TX). I don't have to worry about anything exploding. I should've spent more for modular though.
Second place would be the Ikea Galant desk. It's at a perfect height, accommodates LCD clamps for arms from Monoprice, and the little storage cabinet is the perfect height (and a great surface) for a mouse. I do need a better chair one day though...maybe a Steelcase on ebay or a used office furniture store.
Third place is my Unicomp Spacesaver. Dealing with reports is significantly less irritating.
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Your best computer related investment-
Tons of keyboards, Duh! J/K I don't know if that's the best or worst investment so far. LoL =P
I would easily say my Cintiq 21 UX, hands down.
The computer I built with the help from geek hack members would be the second best investment. fo sho =)
Thanks again for that one guys.
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Your best computer related investment-
Tons of keyboards, Duh! J/K I don't know if that's the best or worst investment so far. LoL =P
I would easily say my Cintiq 21 UX, hands down.
The computer I built with the help from geek hack members would be the second best investment. fo sho =)
Thanks again for that one guys.
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A good solid swivel chair should not be overlooked, no idea what brand mine is but it is built like a tank, has lasted me the best part of a decade and i'm no waif.
I've been using nothing but Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 mice since they first came out, bloody marvelous. Alas this year i've been replacing most of my office and I decided to jump for a steelseries sensei instead, but my statement still stands.
Altec Lansing desktop speakers, i've had two sets from this company in 10 years, they are cheap, loud and durable. Do the job.
Corsair, fill your computer with their products, very high quality components all round.
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My sata 3, synchronous mem SSD. Doesn't matter which one you chose, just hit those two points and you will be happy.
Also, my mechanical keyboards and mx518 mouse. High quality kb and mouse affect everything you touch and do with your pc.
Good quality monitor. Don't skimp. You will have a monitor for a few systems, not just one.
My cosair power supply txv2 power supply. Feed your computer good power. It will love you. ( I even have an APC ups as well)
I agree that the Cosair name is one of the best. They stand by their products. I was very disappointed in the k60 and k90 mechanical keyboards though. (They aren't fully mechanical, they mix cherry mx red switches with rubber membrane keys. Boooo!)
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I'd say my Dell Latitude E6410 laptop. It was $480 refurb'd with a great keyboard, great design, and magnesium alloy chassis. The Core i5-520M is an absolute night and day difference over the 9-year old 1.7GHz Pentium 4 machine I was using earlier.
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Switching my house to thin clients (LTSP). Saves time and money.
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I`d say the best investment I have made is my 2010 13" MacBook Pro. I am planing to using it for at least 3 more years. Hopefully it doesn`t break.
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1/ Intel X25-M SSD for boot and apps
2/ NEC LCD2490WUXi display
I flip flop on the order of the above. Keyboards are up there too.
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Toss up between my IPS LED Viewsonic Monitor or 87U Silent Realforce in white with red key caps in place of the grays.
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Best investment for me would probably be the Mushkin Enhanced Chronos Deluxe SSD I purchased for an aging '08 MBP. Purchased the drive during the online sales (even though my current model cannot utilize the SATA 3 interface) to future-proof my investment. No sense in getting a SATA 1 drive when I could purchase a SATA 3 drive and use it in a newer computer when the time comes!
Boot time went from approximately two minutes down to less than 20 seconds, which is extremely noticeable. I can also play SC2 and run Spotify in the background, something I had been unable to do previously.
The other investment would probably be my Filco TKL with browns. Absolutely love typing on this thing. Been looking at investing in higher-quality keycaps as mine are already starting to shine.
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Sometimes I get an alert for it when logging on to GH, Chrome tells me the site is not secure and that there's some sort of malware involved. Only happens every now and then, but it gets pretty annoying.
Free Internet Porn + Free AV scan = WIN!
Edit:...
Speaking of which anybody seeing this at GH? I either just got it here or some blog I was at.
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Best computer related investment? Has to be either my TG3 BL82 or my Model M. Both have more than paid for themselves, and are the only parts of my computing setups that I actually had to spend money on.
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My Filco Majestouch 2 TKL! My WPM is so, so much faster thanks to this.
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I'm convinced that if everyone were forced to buy a SSD, it would be the greatest thing to happen to them.
The SSD is the single best game changer in computing in the last 5 years. Memory/cpus/gpus get faster, but the differences are in the margins. SSD blows HDD so far out of the water, it's unfathomable. I sound crazy right now.
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I'm convinced that if everyone were forced to buy a SSD, it would be the greatest thing to happen to them.
The SSD is the single best game changer in computing in the last 5 years. Memory/cpus/gpus get faster, but the differences are in the margins. SSD blows HDD so far out of the water, it's unfathomable. I sound crazy right now.
Yeah, i'm seriously thinking of getting one, although waiting for one with a Apple Thunderbolt connection which is ridiculously faster than USB.
Look here to see how fast it really is http://www.apple.com/thunderbolt/
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I'm convinced that if everyone were forced to buy a SSD, it would be the greatest thing to happen to them.
The SSD is the single best game changer in computing in the last 5 years. Memory/cpus/gpus get faster, but the differences are in the margins. SSD blows HDD so far out of the water, it's unfathomable. I sound crazy right now.
No, you sound like someone who has actually used one.
Too many people out there writing on the Internet do nothing but launch games and because SSDs don't give them more headshots they conclude they are worthless. And there's way more gamer e-peen involved if you run Velociraptors in RAID0 with short stroking (and still don't come close to the performance of SSD).
Another significant group of people writing negatively about SSDs are those who have become ultra-paranoid about the write endurance of SSDs. Those folks should take a look here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?271063-SSD-Write-Endurance-25nm-Vs-34nm).
I've been using an Intel G2 as my boot/OS/apps drive with no tricks, hoops or tweaks (except for disabling hybrid sleep - leaving hibernate and sleep both independently enabled) for almost 2 years and my wear indicator still shows 98% or 99% life remaining. Yeah, I'm pretty worried.
Yeah, i'm seriously thinking of getting one, although waiting for one with a Apple Thunderbolt connection which is ridiculously faster than USB.
Look here to see how fast it really is http://www.apple.com/thunderbolt/
What does USB vs. Apple Thunderbolt have to do with putting an SSD as your boot/OS/apps drive instead of HDD?
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I want a 24HD, but I refuse to go back to such low res.
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My best investment is probably my spacenavigator 3d mouse. makes modeling stuff in 3ds max so much faster. after that it would prolly be my razer naga
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You can make your own cintiq for alotttttttt cheaper then buying one and its not all that hard. if you can mod a nostromo you can definitly make a cintiq. Mostly just making everything fit in a case behind lcd panel and slapping acrylic over the top of lcd the wacom driver alows adjustment of the active drawing area so you can adjust to size of the lcd. you just click where you want top left corner with pen and then bottom right corner and its set. Did it with my 7 inch wacom bamboo as a test on an old laptop i had. It worked great. My next project is an alienware m11x with intous 3 behind the lcd. I ordered to many parts for other projects tho last week so cant get nothing again till next week :(.
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I am going to have to go with the SportTracks 3.0 software I bought last summer. It makes sorting out and keeping track of my runs, bike rides, and xc skiing advertures from my Garmin Forerunner 305 GPS watch so much easier and efficient it's not even funny. Other than that my computer is nothing to scream about really. (And we all know our KB's are the best thing about them anyways....)
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I'm convinced that if everyone were forced to buy a SSD, it would be the greatest thing to happen to them.
The SSD is the single best game changer in computing in the last 5 years. Memory/cpus/gpus get faster, but the differences are in the margins. SSD blows HDD so far out of the water, it's unfathomable. I sound crazy right now.
I don't like being forced to buy anything, unless the cost is zero.
But if money was no object for me, I'd probably be packing more SSDs right now...along with more hard drives, because I need the bulk storage. (If I were to install my games on SSDs, I'd need at least 1 TB worth, probably more at this rate.)
No, you sound like someone who has actually used one.
Too many people out there writing on the Internet do nothing but launch games and because SSDs don't give them more headshots they conclude they are worthless. And there's way more gamer e-peen involved if you run Velociraptors in RAID0 with short stroking (and still don't come close to the performance of SSD).
Even I think HDDs over 7,200 RPM aren't worth it these days with SSDs around, but when it comes down to a limited budget that can only accommodate either a SSD or a new graphics card to replace a four-year-old 8800 GT, the choice is obvious...especially when I hate low framerates so much.
Of course, it doesn't help that my basic SSD upgrade plan is "find a good 1.8" microSATA SSD that fits in my HP 2730p and gives me a bit more breathing room, then shove its current Intel X18-M G1 80 GB into my desktop as a boot drive where having only 80 GB isn't a big setback", with the major problem being that 1.8" microSATA SSDs are a ***** to find and X18-M G2 160 GB drives remain as expensive as ever.
Note that I'm not saying that they're worthless, especially since I HAVE used one and it really does make things more responsive, especially with multiple running processes that simultaneously thrash the drive.
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No, you sound like someone who has actually used one.
Too many people out there writing on the Internet do nothing but launch games and because SSDs don't give them more headshots they conclude they are worthless. And there's way more gamer e-peen involved if you run Velociraptors in RAID0 with short stroking (and still don't come close to the performance of SSD).
Except that in gaming performance of an SSD there is some truth aside from the obvious quantifiable measurements such a loading times. And the few games that do gain frame rates(at the very least minimum frame rates) from an SSD or a ramdisk(if said user had that much RAM)are far and few due to their I/O streaming constrains and plus the fact that games do pre-load their data and do stream of the storage occasionally ahead of time which is obvious. But they are still beneficial non-the less in gaming not just from the ability to better handle the background OS data being processed unlike a console OS which has only the essentials, but the background (http://thessdreview.com/Forums/ssd-discussion/1364-post13087.htm#post13087) of the game itself. And yes I'm aware it's been discussed quite a bit around and even checked up on by a few other sites but it's still something that should be further investigated either way your removing an archaic bottleneck from the system.
On some level SSDs are viewed by these same gamers as in similarity to PCIe 3.0 or DX11/11.1 or any other new standard set about and put. They view it straight away as "Oh that's pointless my GPU has more than enough bandwidth" when in reality it's most likely server hardware which will eat it up almost in no time and usually it's the background, behind-the-scenes performance like in PCIe 3.0 or DX11/11.1, it's seen as pointless by some people but in reality it's anything but, despite this somehow objection to advancement in progress. No one is making you buy said "SSD or current hardware" your right in the "worthless conclusion" it's quite a ignorant hold on said person.
Even if the SSD provided completely zero game performance on any level. The fact that it does provide very obvious quantifiable desktop performance should at least be noticed. It's strange to not even remotely notice a difference. I guess then again these guys probably never been exposed to CRT or even bother researching higher quality LCD like 120hz LCDs and buy a 1000+ dollar computer and go out to some local shop and buy a 70 dollar monitor.
Another significant group of people writing negatively about SSDs are those who have become ultra-paranoid about the write endurance of SSDs. Those folks should take a look here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?271063-SSD-Write-Endurance-25nm-Vs-34nm).
This on the other is something that is absolutely just like WTF still going on? I mean a small, tiny amount of it was relevant in 2009 primary for the Jmicron controller and Intel SSD. I mean so many people waste so much of their time trying to make their SSD somehow last longer when in reality it probably barely does anything. Even if you eat up the entire SSD it's still turns into a read-only storage. Either way in 10 years the charge on the NAND is going to dissipate and the data will eventually be lost and even then ignoring the obvious 10ish year wall, your SSD should last a good couple hundred, if not thousand years at least in terms of failure rate even more so particularly in mechanical failure rate due having no moving parts. And other just pointless tweaks based on the OS like prefetch and superfetch(incidentally despite having some discussion on the matter the last post (http://www.sevenforums.com/performance-maintenance/30017-prefetch-ssds-10.html#post1697453) mentions it takes a few days to build up which quite ironic and funny because the Momentus hybrid SSD/HDD as well as a few other SSDs on the market have a similar boot understanding technology which allows them to learn your booting pattern and over days, weeks, months, and years boots your computer more efficiently by storing data of the action), pagefile(was explained (http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2009/05/05/support-and-q-a-for-solid-state-drives-and.aspx) in 2009 and even then pagefile itself has been improved in Vista/7 to work as a virtual addressing/listing/pseudo-prepopulation as well as many other changes), and indexing like somehow all that is going to ruin your SSD.
It's funny because if you search around the internet to some forums you'll find not only were things explained in detail and explaining what SSDs were negatively affected Jmicro, 1st Gen. Intel, and a few 1st/Early 2nd gen. SSD but there were even a few places that researched defragmentation on an SSD and found that despite not being the best thing to do an SSD it was suggested that an SSD be defragmented twice a year or once every 6 months. I'm guessing it must have been when TRIM wasn't on all SSDs but even then there's been discussions on how filesystem defragmentation impacts SSD performance rather than the physical like a HDD, it's more of a software issue.
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My best investment would be my ASUS ProArt PA246Q and PA238Q and am hoping they come out with a 27" or 30" from the same line with a higher resolution which i will buy upon release.
Next best would be my audio setup then my keyboard setup.
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Even I think HDDs over 7,200 RPM aren't worth it these days with SSDs around, but when it comes down to a limited budget that can only accommodate either a SSD or a new graphics card to replace a four-year-old 8800 GT, the choice is obvious...especially when I hate low framerates so much.
But that's where we differ. I'd still opt for the SSD over the GPU upgrade. Unless you're a gamer-only, SSDs are the biggest bang for the buck upgrade to overall system performance.
Now, there's no argument that cost per GB they are more expensive. If you can barely afford a computer, you're not going to get an SSD. You also shouldn't build a 10TB NAS for your music and bluray collection using SSDs. In my main workstation I have an 80GB SSD for boot/os/apps and a 1.5TB WD black for data. It's the best of both worlds.
The SSD made a much larger impact to my daily life and "computing happiness" than any of my GPU upgrades. Mind you my life is not ruled by games.
Of course, it doesn't help that my basic SSD upgrade plan is "find a good 1.8" microSATA SSD that fits in my HP 2730p and gives me a bit more breathing room, then shove its current Intel X18-M G1 80 GB into my desktop as a boot drive where having only 80 GB isn't a big setback", with the major problem being that 1.8" microSATA SSDs are a ***** to find and X18-M G2 160 GB drives remain as expensive as ever.
Note that I'm not saying that they're worthless, especially since I HAVE used one and it really does make things more responsive, especially with multiple running processes that simultaneously thrash the drive.
If your "main" PC you're worried about is a laptop with a single drive bay (and 1.8" at that) your affordable options are pretty limited indeed. That's a tough situation.
I've found that laptops can benefit even more than desktops from SSD upgrades since the typical laptop drive is so much slower than the typical desktop drive. The improvement is even more dramatic. On the other hand, you need to have a good chipset and I/O capability on the notebook and a lot of them simply don't have top notch controllers that really let the SSDs sing. A lot were designed around slow notebook drives and the premise of saving power so they can't use all of the performance an SSD offers.
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Except that in gaming performance of an SSD there is some truth aside from the obvious quantifiable measurements such a loading times. And the few games that do gain frame rates(at the very least minimum frame rates) from an SSD or a ramdisk(if said user had that much RAM)
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As I said - if all you care about is kill ratio and frame rate in your games SSDs aren't going to do a thing for you.
SSDs are not gamer-centric. Step outside the gamer box and they make a HUGE difference in system performance when you're not just running one "application" all day and night.
This on the other is something that is absolutely just like WTF still going on?
Yep there's a lot of FUD out there on SSDs. From what I've seen, if you're running Win7 the *ONLY* thing you really need to do is disable hybrid sleep. Hybrid sleep writes the hibernation file when you're going to ACPI S3 sleep "just in case" power to the box is interrupted. If you've got 8GB of RAM, that's 8GB of writes every time your system is put to sleep or idles to sleep. That can build up to a lot of unnecessary writes on the SSD. I ran that way for months, though, with lots of sleeps per day and there are no endurance issues with my drive. That's the ONLY "tweak" I did. I still have swapfile, c:\users and all that other stuff going. Win7 took care of Superfetch and defrag being disabled on the SSD.
I'm coming up to 2 years of use and I have 2.48TB of host writes (SMART ID E1) and the Intel SSD toolbox says my media wearout indicator is 99 (SMART ID E9) which means 99% life remaining. The 80GB drive ends up about 60% full most of the time and the bulk of my data (video collection, music collection, photography workflow, etc...etc...) is on my 1.5TB WD Black. My games are installed on HDD but all the rest of my apps etc... are on SSD. I'm not worried about write endurance at all.
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In no particular order:
- SSD
- Mechanical keyboards
- Multi monitor setup
- 1920x1200 (f*ck 1080p) 24" IPS monitors and X-Rite i1Display Pro for not getting an eye-cancer
These things changed my life considerably for the better.
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SSD!!!! Crucial M4 - Maxing out at like 480Mb/s read on large files. This is my favorite computer related investment, and it has had the most impact. Snappiness is everything to me, and so far, this drive has been exactly what I want. Faster than everyone else I know! Now to get a raid 0 set up... :)
Other than that... Filco Blues feel pretty darn good to me and went from hunt n pecker 40-50wpm to 70 wpm touch typing in less than a few months. This has been a really great addition to my work flow.
A close third has been a second monitor!!! (Dell 2312hm Black Friday :) Also a really great work flow booster.
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But that's where we differ. I'd still opt for the SSD over the GPU upgrade. Unless you're a gamer-only, SSDs are the biggest bang for the buck upgrade to overall system performance.
Now, there's no argument that cost per GB they are more expensive. If you can barely afford a computer, you're not going to get an SSD. You also shouldn't build a 10TB NAS for your music and bluray collection using SSDs. In my main workstation I have an 80GB SSD for boot/os/apps and a 1.5TB WD black for data. It's the best of both worlds.
The SSD made a much larger impact to my daily life and "computing happiness" than any of my GPU upgrades. Mind you my life is not ruled by games.
If your "main" PC you're worried about is a laptop with a single drive bay (and 1.8" at that) your affordable options are pretty limited indeed. That's a tough situation.
I've found that laptops can benefit even more than desktops from SSD upgrades since the typical laptop drive is so much slower than the typical desktop drive. The improvement is even more dramatic. On the other hand, you need to have a good chipset and I/O capability on the notebook and a lot of them simply don't have top notch controllers that really let the SSDs sing. A lot were designed around slow notebook drives and the premise of saving power so they can't use all of the performance an SSD offers.
Games aren't the only thing I use my desktop for, but they are the reason why I built it in the first place. On the flip side, most of my upgrades in the four years that I've had it were extra hard drives (thankfully before that Thailand flood) due to needing the space (started with 500 GB, added a pair of 1 TB drives and a 2 TB drive later on), so if I just threw in a small, reliable SSD for the OS and relegated one of the 1 TB drives exclusively to hold games, I'm all set there. 80 GB would be plenty for that when there's multiple drives to share the load.
Also, the 2730p isn't my main computer; that would be my desktop. However, it is my portable workhorse when I'm out and about, and I do have the feeling that it gets the impressive battery life it does (roughly 4 hours with the main battery, and another 4 hours with a slice battery) precisely because it has an SSD installed. It does feel noticeably more responsive than my desktop in general computer usage (that is, everything that isn't gaming) in spite of the much slower CPU with half the cores and Intel graphics, but not to the point where I spend most of my time on it while at home.
Still, if not for that system having an SSD installed when I bought it (in fact, it's part of the reason I bought it as opposed to some of the cheaper 2730p listings with slow 1.8" HDDs), I may very well have continued to overlook SSDs in general.
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Yeah, i'm seriously thinking of getting one, although waiting for one with a Apple Thunderbolt connection which is ridiculously faster than USB.
Look here to see how fast it really is http://www.apple.com/thunderbolt/
But you don't use USBs for connecting SSDs, or Thunderbolt for that matter. Unless it's external, but there's no point in that.
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i couldn't pick one so it'd be Audeze LCD-2, Dell U2711 and Topre Realforce 105U.
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This is hard to say. I had a lot of fun with a GeForce FX5900XT I finally bought for a very strong computer I had kept confined to an old Riva TNT2 to save money because I couldn't justify buying a pricy graphics card.
I do enjoy Windows 7's functionality of arranging a window to fit the left or right half of the screen if you drag it to the side. This alone is worth of the cost of upgrading for me (I'm a translator, so I have a source file and a target file, you must have an idea how annoying it was to have to drag the borders every time).
In retrospect, my old A4-Tech X-478K mouse along with a Razer Goliathus mousepad, were great investments too. Mouse has served me well. Maybe I shouldn't have replaced it. Pad probably needs replacement. In monetary terms, my Logitech G9X is as good as new but cost half the price, so that'd be a big saving. However, I wouldn't call the mouse worth its normal price but closer to the price I did pay (sorry, Logitech).
My HP 2007w monitor, the first LCD monitor I owned and also the first one bigger than 17'', was definitely a great investment due to so much fun with the big, wide screen (glare matrix) and flat rear! More noticeable difference than the later purchase of a 24'' matte screen.
For all its problems, my ATI HD4850 offered insane graphical horsepower for the price it cost shortly after release.
Hmm... In terms of bang for the buck, probably nothing beats the aux cable I bought for a couple of bucks to connect my JVC stereo instead of cheap speakers.
Sorry I couldn't keep it to one or two. ;) The aux cable would probably be the winner. ;)
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*does a bit of eBay checking* You have (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-X18-M-160-GB-Internal-SSDSA1M160G2HP-SSD-Solid-State-Drive-/180789661486?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a17e74f2e) got to be (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-X18-M-160-GB-Internal-SSDSA1M160G2LE-SSD-Solid-State-Drive-/150730833525?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item231841fe75) kidding me. (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-X18-M-160-GB-Internal-SSDSA1M160G2LE-SSD-Solid-State-Drive-160GB-1-8-/220929875063?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3370725c77)
While I certainly couldn't afford 'em now, I'm not used to seeing X18-M G2 160 GB drives selling for anywhere close to $1/GB. They'd certainly be tempting computer investments in that price range.
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Probably my speakers. What oh what will I do without them..
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Best (and most expensive) computer purchase was a GDM-FW900 CRT computer monitor, which made for an amazing HDTV as well. Then the world sank into the LCD/MP3 dark ages...
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My Keyboard
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In terms of enjoyment its a toss up between my hhkb pro 2 and my headphones.
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Well besides what I'm currently typing on... This RiffRaff picked up (6) 24" 1920 x 1200 HP monitors for about $100 a piece on ebay about a year ago (very well packaged), and I'm still so glad that I did. I have an Ergotron dual monitor mount with extension arms for 3 monitors above, and the bottom 3 on the desk. I then picked up a pair of Ergotron swing arms for the left and right monitors to re-use my prior 22" Samsungs. So my side (L + R) monitors swing around, rotate, up, down, near, far... very ideal setup.
Lots of Desktop Real-estate = Pure Karma
Pictures!
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Pictures!
I'll try to post some tomorrow! Desk is a mess though
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I'd say my best investment has been my Sennheiser pc 156 headset. The sound quallity is outstanding, i've not heard anything better than it around the same price I paid. The mic is not the greatest but it's not bad. Only problem is after more than 3 years now the volume control has become a bit of an iffy connection so I have to jiggle the control a bit sometimes to get the stereo back. Still I think it's worth noting I wear them sometimes without any music playing for hours...(so they are comfortable) and I prefer them to speakers unless I want to lie down of rest my head or am just feeling like having speakers.
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Here it is, my main desktop. The desk I'm using is only temporary, or was suppose to be. I ended up just using it because it worked out, but long term I'll build something better for a desk. I have two main Filco boards that I switch between blue/brown. The small keyboard (far left) is for my work laptop which I occasionally dock and use with the 2 bottom left HP monitors since they're dual DVI in. Yeah I probably could use a KVM eventually, I just need to get everything cleaned and organized, but it's really at the bottom of my to do list. Pardon the mess.
I have two video cards in my desktop running all 8 monitors, but I usually just use the bottom 5.
I titled this photo "before", only because it's still a work in progress (yes it's been over a year now). But the final phase with the new desk should provide for a much better "After" photo.
Enjoy
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That's so awesome but don't you end up sitting a bit to close to comfortably view them all?
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That's so awesome but don't you end up sitting a bit to close to comfortably view them all?
Not really. I have the bottom row positioned perfectly. That's one of the reasons I used the existing desk I had. I wanted to get a feel on the distance before building something, and it just worked out well. The top row can get a little difficult sometimes. I know that I need to get the monitors on the desk also on a mount to lower them to the base of the desk, which will lower everything about 5 inches.
The side monitors on the arms are awesome though. I can be watching a webcast or live web blog and pull it up close while I'm working on other stuff. Additionally, when I have to read through code, I like to turn them horizontally and take advantage of the extra space.
It's kind of annoying that more 24" monitors aren't in 1920 x 1200 but instead in "Full HD" aka 1920 x 1080.
I thought about getting (2) 27" monitors, which I still ponder about, but I ended up doing this for much less and I'm happy with the results.
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Starcraft:Broodwar
I basically spent my entire youth playing that game :)
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It's kind of annoying that more 24" monitors aren't in 1920 x 1200 but instead in "Full HD" aka 1920 x 1080.
It has a lot to do with price points and technology. The vast majority of people see 24" monitors with the same resolution but don't know what the differences are when one is $200 and the other $500. The market is absolutely flooded with junky $200 16:9 TN Film glossy monitors. If you want 16:10, S-PVA, decent viewing angles and color accuracy, matte finish, you're looking at a $500 monitor.
I'm eager to look at Samsung's newish Super PLS monitors but I won't be replacing my 2443BWT & 215TW anytime soon.
I lul every time people go out thinking that response time is everything and dump a bunch of money into fast monitors that don't look good and you can see your reflectionm in.
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First I would have to say the 4870 1gb I had, it was the best video card I ever used. It was totally worth the price I paid for it brand new around $315. Never a hiccup or any problem great performance with a really good heat sink and super quiet fan. I could go on and on about that card. Next would have to be the Z-5500 I bought for only $250 dollars it was an amazing investment that has only increased in price! The only problem was that the control center screen had back light issues, but I shipped it back and they sent me a new one. +1 for Logitech! After that I would have to say, my Microsoft Wheel Mouse optical is defiantly one that I should pick. Its got gaming grade tracking for only 13 bucks. The Cooler Master Centurion 590 gets an honorable mention since its build quality is like a tank. I can stand on that case with no problem what so ever. Also for video games, I would say Company of Heroes since it was one of the funniest games that I am still playing for about 3 years now. I bought for under 15 bucks as well, so that is a crazy good value for the entertainment its given me.
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-Hazro HZ26Wi - 26" H-IPS 16:10 display
-ATI Fire Pro 3D v5800 - graphic card - useful for CAD
-Audio Technica ATH-AD700 - headphones, very good, but I'll upgrade to ATH-AD900
-Filco MX Blue - ...
-Dell M4400 laptop and SSD for it.
-3D connexion space navigator - useful, but definately not that much like the rest above
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I'd have to say the best investment is the monitor/s. I just cannot live without 3 monitors anymore. Currently running a 24"+27"+24" setup in PLP. 1200x1920+2560x1440+1200x1920 gives some screen real estate to work on.
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Planar PX2611w 26" 1920x1200 wide gamut S-IPS monitor. I bought it 4+ years ago, still going strong, and still one of the best non-TN displays for gaming and fast motion available. At times I regret not going with a 30" for 2560x1600, and may eventually "upgrade", but the solid response times and near non-existent input lag (less than 1 frame) on the Planar keep me from pulling the trigger.
Bought a 8800 GTX near launch, I think they were running $350-400? I kept that card and it was viable (with another for SLI eventually, and at one point mostly to play around, 3) and it served me very well for years. Similarly, I just bought a second 6950 2GB used for $200 and avoided having to sell my card and pay an additional $350-400 for a 7970... and my setup is faster 90% of the time. :)
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Yes? Everyone is now an investor
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my desk....and then soon-to-follow, my new chair....
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I'd normally vote monitor, since gaming on an old CRT is unacceptable. However I got this monitor for free so I guess I can choose... my video card? Many of the games I play require a powerful video card like my GTX 480, and it was a great savior from GTX 260 CORE 216 SLI and the trouble those things gave me in SLI. One of them is just not powerful enough for me.
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I'd normally vote monitor, since gaming on an old CRT is unacceptable.
Oh crap, here we go again... (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?10994-CRT-s-are-better-than-LCD-s)
That said, it would be nice if my FD Trinitron G1 monitors didn't have signs of upcoming failure, like popping and occasional focus loss while warming up.
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Oh crap, here we go again... (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?10994-CRT-s-are-better-than-LCD-s)
That said, it would be nice if my FD Trinitron G1 monitors didn't have signs of upcoming failure, like popping and occasional focus loss while warming up.
In fairness to CRTs...At least some old CRTs you could get 20", RGB and a sync down to 15Khz and give a progressive scan (which you can't do with LCDs)...but that only matters to freaks like me who want to hook up old arcade hardware or Amigas... Arcade monitors are **** expensive.
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My best computer-related investment is every time I spend money on a vacation to get me AWAY from the damn thing :D
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compressed air
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compressed air
I agree, compressed air is handy, but the best computer related investment?
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compressed air
Do you mean an air compressor, or just cans? Those cans are used up so quickly, they're almost useless...
I can borrow an air compressor. It's nice, but I think that investing in peripherals in general is the most noticeable improvement one can make. I'd say the most important aspects for a computer's usability is, from most to less (not least) essential: internet connection, monitors, keyboard, chair, mouse, and everything else (for me, at least - someone else might have a priority that I don't have).
The latest useful upgrade I've made is a Viewsonic VX2450WM-LED monitor, making my desktop dual-monitor for a while before my Viewsonic VX930 died =(
Next I would really love to upgrade to an SSD or get an Ergotron dual LCD arm stand. The gain in desk space would be lovely... my desk is quite crowded with the headphones, XBOX controller and Wacom tablet.
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Deathadder. Every other mouse feels inferior. :x
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HP ZR24w 24-inch S-IPS LCD, if I went any bigger I would have needed a new video card. Of course there is always next time.
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Shadow Protect backup software......
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In fairness to CRTs...At least some old CRTs you could get 20", RGB and a sync down to 15Khz and give a progressive scan (which you can't do with LCDs)...but that only matters to freaks like me who want to hook up old arcade hardware or Amigas... Arcade monitors are **** expensive.
Oh, I know what you're talking about. I picked up an NEC MultiSync XV29 Plus locally for $60. 27" viewable, and it'll take 15 KHz horizontal sync.
I just wish the geometry wasn't messed up beyond what I can fix through the OSD; it's either flared-out top corners or tucked-in bottom corners, since I can't adjust top and bottom pincushion independently. Also, the image is arched up slightly; top side is convex, bottom side is concave. Still, retro consoles in RGB look gorgeous. (I'd also try out an Amiga on it for kicks, if I actually owned one.)
To make the arcade monitor situation worse, weren't the CRT ones discontinued a year or two ago? The current stock is just getting more limited...
If I could get my hands on a Micomsoft SC-500N1 capture card (http://www.micomsoft.co.jp/sc-500n1.htm), though, it would make the whole "can't find 15 KHz monitors" problem much less of an issue, since it accepts 240p RGB just fine. I could use any computer monitor I want, and record videos of my gameplay to boot! The folks at the Shmups forum (http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=37984) have even verified that it works nicely with a lot of arcade boards, albeit cut off at the edges in some cases. Shouldn't be a problem with consoles, though.
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I'd normally vote monitor, since gaming on an old CRT is unacceptable. However I got this monitor for free so I guess I can choose... my video card? Many of the games I play require a powerful video card like my GTX 480, and it was a great savior from GTX 260 CORE 216 SLI and the trouble those things gave me in SLI. One of them is just not powerful enough for me.
Gaming on CRTs is actually a good solution... due to the fact phosphors react instantly, and that you can dynamically change resolutions without getting smudgy artifacts.
Standard wide-screen ultra-contrast LCD monitors aren't the greatest...
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my keyboard and mouse
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Certainly either my three monitors or my i5 2500k.
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24" 1920x1200 monitor, my Logitech G500 (love that mouse) and my keyboard......the rest of the stuff changes often enough (1-2 years) that it's hard to call them "best" investments. Someday soon, a 120hz monitor for my desk, and hopefully another mechanical keyboard of some sort.
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My tenkeyless Filco majestouch 2 with blue switches. Hands down the best thing I've bought for my computer(s) ever.
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I picked up a high-end 21" Sony CRT back in 1998 for $1500 - then used it until 2005 or so when 24" LCDs became affordable. At around $215 a year I think I did alright, especially since most people were using 15 or 17" displays the entire time.
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definelty my keyboard and my SSD. although i must say my keyboard is #1. I enjoy typing it everday, it makes me all happy when im back from college and finally get to use a proper keyboard again :).
SSD is just a worthy investment.
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Either my das with blues, or my ssd. I don't think I could go back to having my OS on a hdd again.
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Videocard. Speakers/soundcard.Keyboard.Monitor.
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My keyboard has gotten the most use, so I would say my best computer related investment was my Rosewill RK-9000.
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My keyboard and mouse for sure. Love them. :)
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Filco tkl ninja + benq 24" monitor FP241W
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Obviously my trusty IBM model "M" - it's a 1391406 UK model - I love the sound, the action and couldn't do without it.Then I would have to say my home-made 8 TB JUST A BUNCH OF DRIVES which backs everything up and is totally indispensable.My DELL 24" ws monitor is great as well and I will never go smaller - no laptops, tablets or smartphones for me.
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My SSD.
It is a Crucial 120 GB, my other drive is a Western Digital Cavalier Green 1TB HDD.
Its like having best of both worlds.
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My best computer investments would be my good old PSU(PCP&C Silencer Copper 750W), my case (Silverstone TJ09B) and my Dell U2311H.
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No question about it, AAPL!! :-D
Close second would be churning HP with insider info. :-o
These are also the only examples of INVESTMENTS here. Everything else is a purchase.
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ROI need not be measured purely in dollars. Any old monitor is a purchase... a quality unit that lasts well beyond the warranty period could be considered an investment.
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An old analog CRT can be excellent, given context and value proposition.
I bought a Sun GDM-5410 for $65 in 2005; used it til like 2007 when there were finally "good enough" LCDs.
The monitor that replaced it (Samsung 205BW) lasted like two months before I bought a Soyo Topaz S (24", 1920x1200, PVA panel). 300 bucks in 2007 or 2008, and virtually irreplacable for anything under 500 today.
As for investments, I currently hold a bit over 100 shares of AMD bought at 1.92. :) :) :)
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Not my best investment but the most value would have to be my cm spawn mouse. Got it on sale for $20 a few months ago. Way better than my xai
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30" Dell U3011 probably, everything else seems to get replaced come upgrade time.
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Is this some new Enhanced Edition of the classic Counter-Strike?
CS = Computer Science
EE = Electric engineering
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Two items stand out in my long list of computer-related purchases:
1) 21" Nokia monitor that cost $1500 in 1991, but had insane resolution and refresh rate, and lasted until about three years ago when, probably, a capacitor blew. I really should have fixed it, but I was offered a free 30" LED screen which I can actually carry, in exchange for that 80lb beast.
2) Magitronic FK-5001 mechanical keyboard from circa 1986. Complicated Alps and double shot multi color keycaps. I didn't know how good I had it! I remember the day it started acting up. It was a sad day, and the years between that and discovering geekhack (ie, that GOOD keyboards do actually still exist) were hapticly exiguous.
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Hmm... best investment... I generally do a lot of research before buying things in order to achieve the best price:quality ratio even if the product isn't the most powerful on the market, so most of the stuff I have are good investments and so far I've yet to be disappointed by one.
But if I had to choose one, I'd go with my Mx518 Logitech mouse. I've had that for nearly 6 years now and it's still in perfect working condition. It has withstood the test of time and passed with flying colors. After all this time, as far as mouse functionality is concerned, it's as good as any other.
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Well, I have only had it for a little while yet, but definitely my Das with Blues. There is such a huge difference from typing on a normal keyboard to mechanical. A distant second would be my Deathadder, really great mouse, but the build sometimes worries me. Also, my Grado SR80i's are awesome. Well, this list will probably change when I build my computer in the summer though, but until then, that's about it.
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For me, it's between the Filco MJ2 with browns I bought two weeks ago (and traded the black case for a white one; it looks pretty sexy) and the EVGA GTX 560 Ti Classified I bought a few months ago. Although the 560 Ti isn't the best card on the market and lacks the drool factor, it was a VERY good investment. Got it for $250 brand new, which isn't a "deal", but I needed a new card anyway so it worked out.
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Hmm... best investment... I generally do a lot of research before buying things in order to achieve the best price:quality ratio even if the product isn't the most powerful on the market, so most of the stuff I have are good investments and so far I've yet to be disappointed by one.
But if I had to choose one, I'd go with my Mx518 Logitech mouse. I've had that for nearly 6 years now and it's still in perfect working condition. It has withstood the test of time and passed with flying colors. After all this time, as far as mouse functionality is concerned, it's as good as any other.
Agree with you on the mx518. I just got one of the 1600 v1's from ebay and I like the feel more than my g400.
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Dell u2312hm. Love it. IPS or bust.
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Probably my 27" Yamakasi Catleap. A great S-IPS monitor for only ~350$.
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Installed a SSD in my laptop today. Made a world of difference.
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