I'd be interested in a set for my cm storm...Same. I think it would look dope on a CM Storm.
I'm honestly not sure whether they can do side printing or not, but that isn't what this is for.
Yeah they fit the Storm's color scheme perfectly. Would look sick.
Btw, if we're short of 50 by a reasonable margin, I will be covering the cost to get to 50 so that we all get the price break.
Yes, they can do front printing.
In Round 3 the Terran key was RA red on NN black, BTW.
How about "AFFIRMATIVE"?"return" is always nice, and has appeared on keyboards in the past.
Alright, well I'm just going to make the order thread and leave it open till we get close enough to 50. If we don't, we just won't do it. I don't think anyone wants it at 25 sets.Have you made that order thread yet? I didn't see it, but wasn't sure if I was just missing it. I really want some red on black double shots. If there was a possibility for side printed that would be even better, but if not I will take normal ones.
Got busy with school and everything else on here, and then I had to travel the last couple of days... I'll get one up soon.
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Will be basically standard legends except for the enter key I'm replacing the "Enter" with "Execute"
Placement in the top left "modern style" with the standard SP "Arial" font or w/e to save on costs.
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Price List:
25 sets $65.06 / set
50 sets $47.74 / set
75 sets $41.96 / set
100 sets $39.07 / set
I'd like to do at least 50 sets.
Eeeeh if I'm going to fund $715 worth of keycaps I'd rather run it myself... I mean with all of 9 days to collect all the orders and such its likely that I'd have to fund more than that to get them to 25.
7bit, could you do the 104-keys version of the thing?
Deadlines are for wimps!I'm a wimp :pout:
blood
interested.
in BLOOD/TKL & BLOOD/GAMER/RED
so are you final on that font set in the previous art pic?
We're doing RA for the red right? Same as the Terran keys. Do I get my Execute key? ¬.¬
Like to be honest if you're just going to take this over without my consent you better be willing to at least do what I want with it. Many don't like dealing with the Round 4 ordering process including myself, and if I have you do it that means the keycaps get sent to Germany and back before I get them. In addition I don't get any control, say, or anything for that matter. All I end up doing is shelling out $450– $500+ including my order to get it run.
If you could let me know what the perl string would be for my order that would be much appreciated and I'll send a PM to the bot. I looked at doing an order a long time ago in R4 and gave up out of frustration.
Do the arrow keys need to be words, or the Backspace have a space?
Show Image(http://deskthority.net/w/images/6/6d/Round4_BLOOD_sample.png)
Better?
BLOOD/STANDARD
BLOOD/SPACE
The Bloodspot legend should either be Backspace, Annihilate, Eradicate, or something to that extent. Honestly I don't care too much though, since I'm going to be using Nyancat for that anyways. Same with the modifiers. I'd say nobody uses super and meta except Linux users but mine are SC2.
Bloodspot was just a joke. So it will be Backspace.
I could include winflag or diamond and the menu logo instead.
Why not commission an SVG for a blood-spot logo for the Menu key.
Meh if I get this I may overshoot the 250 key shipping limit :(
Meh if I get this I may overshoot the 250 key shipping limit :(
Must be done by somebody else.
I can only draw lines and arrows;-)
Hows this?
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A tiny bit too detailed.
can someone tell me what is the difference between BLOOD/TENKLESS and BLOOD/TKL?
also for a cmstorm quickfire which spacebar kit would i need?? BLOOD/SPACE , BLOOD/SPACEOLD & BLOOD/SPACEPOS?
Tenkless and Tkl are the difference between a cheapskate and a mega-tkl kit. (more keys vs less keys... see the Wiki for specifics).
CMStorm needs Blood/Space
1.5x Modifiers/Stepped Caps/1800 shift 8 keys add on kit!
We need to do these more often :<
I think it's pretty simple, since it's not even a standard kit so no one has to get it, but this way the 40ish people that got the 1.5x Modifier Phantom can use it too, which opens up a whole new market
Up to you Ragnorock :)
1.5x Modifiers/Stepped Caps/1800 shift 8 keys add on kit!
We need to do these more often :<
I like it, I'll see what I can do.
Okay so this is on for sure, and I will be starting it up next week. Its time for everyone to get their input in on what they would like to do with modifier keys, though as many of you may know this is meant to be pretty standard and the simpler the better. I am perfectly content with just using the standard for everything, and the only custom legend being the execute key. If you guys want to play with the modiifers you can, but it may or may not work for Melissa or myself, so no promises.
Again, I would greatly like to see 50 sets, because it is much cheaper for everyone. If we get really close to that, I will buy a couple of extras (no more than 3-4) to give everyone the discount and share it. I will then sell those off for whatever profit I can make, but if I do that odds are that I won't be able to sell them quickly or at all, since everyone interested will likely already have one.
I was on the R4 list so I'm definitely in for 1. Not getting a phantom so don't need the extra set :)Gotta plan for the future.
If you mean one key with both Win and Cmd (or command, apple, whatever) legends, I'd suggest against it. While on a PC keyboard the Win key becomes Cmd, it's in the wrong position so many Mac users (well, me, at least) swap cmd and opt (win and alt) so they are in the correct positions. Since I use the same keyboard on both a PC and a Mac, if the keys had both legends, I'd want alt/cmd and win/opt. But I'm sure others would rather have alt/opt and win/cmd since they don't remap keys. I'd probably stick with PC legends, myself.
Replace super control and meta with Ctrl Alt and Win/Apple?
Esc instead of EscapeI'd prefer (slightly) escape, myself. And control over ctrl.
Print Screen instead of Print, pause/break instead of pause???No preference on any of this.
Slightly smaller letters, but not really small, basically the standard modern size. That may just be the image ?
Arrows on the shift keys and tab key?
Arrows on the up down left right keys
Perhaps I'll buy one
Knowing you, it's just a matter of time before you get a 1.5x modifier keyboard :P
I'd be interested in a set for my cm storm...
Plus if you really want to Mac-ify it, you'd need F13, F14, and F15 for print screen, scroll lock, and pause/break. And delete instead of backspace. And forward delete instead of delete. And a blank for menu. Probably not worth it.
Can't spend any more money!!!!
on prt scrn/pause.. would it be possible for them to "ninja" print sys rq and break?
i mean, it is possible because my retro set has it but.. i wonder how much they'd do it for.
Put me down for a set too.
Couldn't figure out Group Buy Round 4. Read backwards 70 pages and gave up.
Anyways, was away for a while this afternoon, I have been considering an add on kit for 104 keys, same as the one that offers Phantom compatibility, and offering both... but those all depend on the price. It is a lot more "special" to do the phantom keys, but like I said I will give it a shot. Will talk to Melissa next week about all of it. Till then we have the weekend for me to get everything set in stone for a proposal.
Not sure if srs, but ISO compatibility is yet another kit that I do not plan to offer, but if it isn't that big of a difference, it could be incorporated into the 104 kit. I'm a little out of the keyboard frame of mind at the moment, so I hope that makes sense. Also I could do with a refresher on what would be needed for an ISO add on kit. 104 is simple, so I think I can manage to figure out what that kit needs. :P
I hope you guys see now why I want to keep this simple, it can get really complicated fast by offering lots of different configurations. That is the same problem that 7bit ran into with Round 4. It is fantastic from an opportunity standpoint, but its complication leads to not a lot of anything being bought at all.
I think offering one kit is enough. It will only split the order and some kits may not reach the desired cost for some and they'll back out.
87-key or 104-key, not both. ISO? better luck next time. I really want this one to go through.
I hope you guys see now why I want to keep this simple, it can get really complicated fast by offering lots of different configurations. That is the same problem that 7bit ran into with Round 4. It is fantastic from an opportunity standpoint, but its complication leads to not a lot of anything being bought at all.
imo there's a certain amount of accommodation that's fine. optional 104 key layout: ok, maybe fine; there are lots of people with modern 104 boards. 1.5x, weird phantom layouts, etc? probably not. if _you_ want these things _you_ are going to need to buy 50 of them (or personally find 50 people willing to buy and pay on time) and help rag do organization, sorting, shipping, etc..There will be more people ordering my 9 keys add-on key compared to 104 keys kit FOR SURE.
personally, i want some things that aren't covered by this (centered text, white background), etc. but i realize that this is an interest check for a very simple modern red on black tkl order, so it is what it is.
I hope you guys see now why I want to keep this simple, it can get really complicated fast by offering lots of different configurations. That is the same problem that 7bit ran into with Round 4. It is fantastic from an opportunity standpoint, but its complication leads to not a lot of anything being bought at all.
I'm with you here. ISO, 104, Phantom, 1.5 modifiers...The difference is R4 they offered every language, every format, RGB, symbols, and many other stuff that got 1 order. What I was proposing is something that is literally what a lot of people want, please refer to the last 3 pages of this thread. You got what 1 person asking for a 104? Another 1 asking for ISO?
Once the gates are open it's impossible to stop the flood. 87 keys; short, simple, and sweet. Let someone else do the group buys for add-ons.
I understand how having the add on kit actually increases the orders for the base 87 hence lowering the price but it will only create a bigger headache for you and slow down the entire process. I'm hoping for a GB like the one hatusharu did: uncomplicated & fast.It only becomes a headache if you let it get out of hand by offering everything
anyway i think if there is a market for add-ons, the way to do this is to first collect enough confirmed buys to justify the add-on (i would say 37 or so to guarantee price), THEN bring that list of buyers to rag so he can contact SP. with all due respect to 7bit, one of things that makes everything so difficult is that he's exchanging hundreds of emails with SP about things that may or may not be purchased; this just turns SP off to the whole deal, as it's still a relatively small order, and on top of that they're having to pay a ton in terms of sales rep labor to get this tiny, incredibly complex order. it's also incredibly hard to proof because there are so many variations. basically, it sounds like a nightmare to everyone involved.Why do you need 37~ confirm buys? Get the price tier as normal if you're going to get an add-on kit pay the price end of story, it will NOT hinder the people just buying the 87 key base set, if you want the versatility of using this on other then a modern 1.25x
Or you can keep them really simple by doing the Red Alert style order.
Everything included, and just 1 option to choose from.
They managed to keep the price pretty decent, compared to what R4 has become.
Or you can keep them really simple by doing the Red Alert style order.
Everything included, and just 1 option to choose from.
They managed to keep the price pretty decent, compared to what R4 has become.
^ This I think is fine as long as the price is indeed reasonable. Don't think the people who need just 87 keys like me would mind since we're technically 'covered' if we ever wanna make the switch to a full sized board.It was only reasonable because of how many sets were ordered. That number is unreachable for us i can guarantee that, if we get 1/3 of amount in orders I would be surprised already
I'm thinking its reasonable to expect more than 30 less than 50 orders for the 87 key set and less than 15 orders for the 'add on'. What kind of prices would we be looking at in this scenario?Less then 15 sets for the 9 keys add on? I think you are greatly underestimating the amount of people that want that, the fact that you can add a bit more and have this set be compatible with A LOT more keyboards is a small price to pay
Edit: Thought better of the numbers and reduced them.
The pricing for the 9 key add on would be the same even if the base kit was a 104 keyset
So 104 keys FTW?
I'd check the numbers. almost 20 keys difference.
Yup 17 keys to be exact right? Isn't 87 + 17 = 104? Counted the keys on a picture of a full size too. Am I missing something?
I Didn't want to math so I said almost 20. 17 is almost 20.
Lol I figured you spotted an error or something when you said "I'd check the numbers". Thought you didn't trust me to do simple addition. ):
By numbers I meant the price. I'm sure most of us can do 104-87.
What I fear with add-on kits is that you will get people who are "provisionally" in (whether they say it or not). If their add-on kit ends up being expensive they will pull out entirely, taking their base order with them. Allowing add-ons won't decrease the demand for base kits, but it could inflate the base kit orders enough to drop into a more expensive price tier when people pull out at the last second.
I dont like the fact of paying extra for keys i am 95% sure i will never use.get over it. there are more people in the world than just you.
I dont like the fact of paying extra for keys i am 95% sure i will never use.
get over it. there are more people in the world than just you.
What's the ratio of tenkeyless users to 104 users?
get over it. there are more people in the world than just you.
Yes! Base and phantom ftw
get over it. there are more people in the world than just you.
Yeah but its not just me. The thing is most people would only need the base set
By forcing the addon bits to those who dont need it, It is only making people pay more so that a few who want the addon bits get it cheaper.
Also: wubwubwubwubwub
What I fear with add-on kits is that you will get people who are "provisionally" in (whether they say it or not). If their add-on kit ends up being expensive they will pull out entirely, taking their base order with them.
Also from what I just gathered, if there are less than ten interested in an add on set, it isn't happening. That means ISO is out, and probably 104 unless people speak up now.
god, no wonder the group buys here take so long. rag, please just decide what you'd like to do; i highly suggest listening to basically no one else. people can decide whether they want what you're organizing or not.
mkawa y u so cranky?
The only problem we can run into with offering more sets is people's expectations. I will say it now, Even if I do offer an ISO or 104 kit, perhaps even the Phantom kit, the percentage of the overall orders interested in each of those is going to be fairly low, and as such, the add on kits will be expensive. If you really want to do those kits, your concern for low cost needs to go away, because it turns it from very competitive and affordable to (no idea on the pricing yet) an extra $20 for 9 keys, perhaps $30 for a 104 add on if only 5 people want it. I'm not sure what we Melissa is going to say about minimum number of kits as I have never done an order under 25.
Regardless, if I do offer at least the Phantom kit, I think our chances of hitting 50 greatly increase, even if the phantom kit costs the guys interested a fair bit more.
This is the issue I have with offering more than one kit. Instead of have 80 orders of one kit that will give everyone low prices, we will have 20 people spread over 4 kits and it would be costly for everyone.
Even a 87 and 104 split is fine. But anything over three kits be prepared for high prices and confusion.
Knowing the geekhack community, I'm quite sure people with tenkeyless will just buy the 104 set if there isn't any option but those with a 104 keyboard might not get it because they simply don't have enough keys to populate the whole board.
I say keep it simple and just go with 104. Rather not alienate a part of the potential buyer market. With enough buyers, wouldn't the price of a 104 set drop enough to be negligibly more ex than a 87 key set? By negligible, I'm talking less than a $5 increase.
That may be so. = ) It's up to rag and what he sees fit.
Both sides and their arguments are very valid.
Yup of course. Like he said, the purpose is just throw all the points up into the air. Final say belongs to him.
I shouldn't have said too much since I wasn't interested in blood, but the other Red on white that was brought up = x. But ummm yeah...
Anyway, I'm off to bed. I've got some girls to beat in a ice hockey game 2morrow. >.>
Knowing the geekhack community, I'm quite sure people with tenkeyless will just buy the 104 set if there isn't any other option cos they can still fill their board but those with a 104 keyboard might not get it because they simply don't have enough keys to populate the whole board.
I say keep it simple and just go with 104. Rather not alienate a part of the potential buyer market. With enough buyers, wouldn't the price of a 104 set drop enough to be negligibly more ex than a 87 key set? By negligible, I'm talking less than a $5 increase.
Uhh, yeah dude, chill. The whole point of the interest check thread is tossing up ideas and debating their merits. If it was the order thread I would be saying take it or leave it lol. This. Isn't delaying anything, I'm just getting it sorted before the thread goes up next week.in that case i want spherical red on white keys with a very complicated SVG symbol i will send you, and i will ***** endlessly about how it looks and how much it costs.
I think offering one kit is enough. It will only split the order and some kits may not reach the desired cost for some and they'll back out.
87-key or 104-key, not both. ISO? better luck next time. I really want this one to go through.
I think you are confused with "kit" and "add-on kit".
The 87 kit will be the "base" kit. if you want a 104 set, you would get the base 87-key kit, then get the 104 add-on kit which doesn't actually have 104 keys, but has just the numpad keys to bring the 87-key base kit to 104 keys for a full size keyboard. Similarly for ISO kit if that happens. Add-on kits would not lower the numbers of sets for the base kit. Some kits may not get enough orders and remain expensive, but having the add-on kits will only increase the demand of the base 87-key kit.
This is the issue I have with offering more than one kit. Instead of have 80 orders of one kit that will give everyone low prices, we will have 20 people spread over 4 kits and it would be costly for everyone.
Even a 87 and 104 split is fine. But anything over three kits be prepared for high prices and confusion.
I'm thinking you're confused. The way Ragnorock is planning the 'kits' is a base 87-key for standard TKL boards, and then add-on kits to adapt that base kit to 104key, ISO, Phantom and so forth. So everyone that orders kicks down the 87key price, and then they have to deal with a small kit add-on that could cost quite a bit more per key to get a complete set for their particular board layout.
Is there a real pic of what these should look like?
Sent from my Transformer TF101
Can't have a real picture when the set was never made
Knowing the geekhack community, I'm quite sure people with tenkeyless will just buy the 104 set if there isn't any other option cos they can still fill their board but those with a 104 keyboard might not get it because they simply don't have enough keys to populate the whole board.i'll send you my paypal to cover the keys im not going to use just so you can get what you want.
I say keep it simple and just go with 104. Rather not alienate a part of the potential buyer market. With enough buyers, wouldn't the price of a 104 set drop enough to be negligibly more ex than a 87 key set? By negligible, I'm talking less than a $5 increase.
i'll send you my paypal to cover the keys im not going to use just so you can get what you want.
87 base + add on kits works for everybody.
This is what I could do in like 2 min lol. Took the pic from the grab bag thread.Show Image(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1536/mockupdm.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/mockupdm.jpg/)
in that case i want spherical red on white keys
LOL! That is one AWESOME looking keyboard. I'm so loving that. So cool. If Johnny Depp were a keyboard, that would be him.
This is what I could do in like 2 min lol. Took the pic from the grab bag thread.Show Image(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1536/mockupdm.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/mockupdm.jpg/)
Lol if I can use that picture in the order thread, I would greatly appreciate it. It looks just as sick as I imagined lol. So anyways, the reason I am considering incorporating the Phantom add-on is because it has the potential to give a lot of forum members the opportunity to further customize their Phantom and help lower the price for everyone. For those that don't know, there was quite a bit of difficulty just getting 25 people to sign up for the "Blood" set when it was in Round 4, including 104 and 87. How much of that was just lack of interest and how much was because it was in Round 4 remains to be seen, but I am all for something that could potentially let us hit more than 50 orders.I'm glad you see the usefulness of the Phantom 9 piece add-on :)
yep, WorldExclusive is pretty confused.
I'm in at the $50 range!
Rant from demik incoming... :brick:
I'd be down ONLY for an 87 set.
I'm in at the $50 range!
I'm in! All you need to do is make it PBT and black on white and racing stripes and sparkles!
Uhh, yeah dude, chill. The whole point of the interest check thread is tossing up ideas and debating their merits. If it was the order thread I would be saying take it or leave it lol. This. Isn't delaying anything, I'm just getting it sorted before the thread goes up next week.
Look for an order thread in the next day or so.
With you and Tsang both finishing your nyan/novelty group buys, then getting the red on black and cream cheese double shots going... love it!!!!!!!!!
You bet, can not wait till the Cream Cheese are up and running as well. I think these double Double-shot orders will be the ones to get.
All these guys need to do is supply the Paypal addresses. Very quickly.
Dye sub would be more expensive in the end, but we'd have essentially endless freedom with the font etc, as we would just have to design the layout graphic for it... but honestly I'm all for just using their standard fonts, I have no problems with most of them and it saves us a bunch of fees.yah, i don't really get what the problem is with their standard fonts. they're better than the futura on the filco keys, and they're remarkably close to the cherry font that everyone loves to much (which is also just another helvetica-a-like..). also, their standard fonts look particularly good centered. (i think the font i'm talking about is the wyse font..)
Dye sub would be more expensive in the end, but we'd have essentially endless freedom with the font etc, as we would just have to design the layout graphic for it... but honestly I'm all for just using their standard fonts, I have no problems with most of them and it saves us a bunch of fees.They have 4 or 5 standard font, may I suggest the Wyse font, it is much better looking then Arial :E
WYSE decision. Screw Arial
Yeah shipping would kill it since I'm guessing 80% of the people will be in the US.
Dang it. Wonder if there's any way to get around that. Hmm if it were novelty keys instead of full sets, the 'damage' would be alot better right? Still looking into it, maybe I can find something.
I looked up prices in Hong Kong. The flat rate boxes from HK to US is the same price as US shipping within US. Effin amazing. I am going to run GB like crazy when I'm home. I can't wait to just graduate.
Have someone here that is willing to be a US distributor while you manage everything else?
US distributor is the way to go. I'm helping haze out with his gb over the same reason.
Basically there are around 40 1.5x modifiers Phantom that was ordered, all the keys we normally do only have 1.25x modifiers, so people will be just using cherry sets. If possible I propose a kit that will solve some of those issues
2 Alt (1.5x)
2 Control (1.5x)
2 Diamond/Meta/Super (1x keys)
1 Stepped Caps
1 1800 Shift (1.75x)
1 Spacebar (7x)
These 9 keys as a add on kit, so people with filco/leopold etc etc can stick with the standard kit but for those people using Phantom, Cherry 1800, etc can pick up the add on kit.
Hey Tsangan, can you send me a pm or something with the exact specifics of some of these keys so I get it right when explaining them to Melissa? I'm still unclear on some of them. The stepped keey has whatt legend, stem position, etc, the super 1x key is windows right?
Basically the main benefit to having a US distributor is the speed. If it only takes a couple of days for the keys to get to me, and I ship them out a few days later, it takes out weeks of turnaround time usually present with international organizers. Shipping costs are killer too. In Asia some carriers are pretty cheap from Asia to the US, but from SP, it is quite expensive. A US distributor is useful for a number of reasons already stated, but having someone in the US keeps it simple and is more secure. A friend of mine suggested I outsource the sorting labor to another friend, and I told him no based simply on the reason that if I do it, I know it is done right, and everyone gets their keys. If I lose that certainty, then several other problems arise. That is why I ended up not pursuing a European or Asian distributor in the past.
Anyways, on another note, I still don't like the "Blood" name. Can I change it to "Ragnarok" (the proper spelling of the Norse mythology's armageddon) without much confusion? Meaning if I set the Order thread title to "Doubleshot 87 key Red on Black keyset: "Ragnarok" [Order Thread]" would anyone care or not know what it is? Red Alert has a really cool name that everyone remembers and knows exactly what it is, but I don't really get the same feeling from "blood."
SanguineI think Sanguine is the best. It's a "Blood related" word. Look up the "sanguine" disposition on wikipedia. It also most closely reflects our pursuit of keycaps.
Ragnarok is cool too though.
I am more than tempted to go in for a set..
These would rock the CM Storm I just got. The caps on this thing kind of suck.
I agree if you got it with reds then they would look perfect on that board.
Yep, it's the version with reds.
By the way, still waiting on an email back from Melissa with quotes and stuff for everything. I gave her the full details on everything, including the stepped capslock keys.I think people knew money ran out for R3 so but then you got some people saying they would pay extra shipping but dunno why it still hasn't happened
Speaking of the stepped capslock, I have some interesting news... Apparently SP fixed all of the stepped capslock keys from round 3, but 7bit told them to just wait till round 4 to send them, presumably to save on shipping? So basically they've had a bunch of keys ready for everyone and sitting in their shipping department since like a week after they were notified that they were defective. Credit where it is due, SP doesn't deserve anything but praise in my opinion for their customer service. So there shouldn't be a fitment problem to worry about with the new stepped capslocks for this buy, Melissa knew exactly what I was talking about. Did everyone else already know this? I sure as heck didn't and from what I remember, everyone was blaming them for what happened with it.
the problem is for the people that sold their sets.
i bought mine from duq, so he doesn't have it anymore.. and im the one that needs the stepped caps lock fixed. PMing 7bit wouldnt help much for the people that didn't buy theirs directly from the GB
Well I mean as long as everyone here is being honest, I don't see why it wouldn't be a problem to just take the ones that have been sold and forward them to the new buyers, providing they step forward and ask for it. I'd have to PM each person who would be getting one to confirm that they want to drop a couple of bucks on shipping to get them, and obviously they wouldn't if they didn't have it anymore. There may also be people not interested in it anymore and I would have leftovers for guys in that situation.
pitashen, you better remember meeeeeee!!!!
I hope random people don't buy them up for weird reasons :rofl:
this or pbt keycaps from feng... decisions!
The ISO set is doubtful anyways, since Melissa only gave me quotes starting at 15.
Working on it right now. I got quotes for everything but the ISO set, but I want to get it up before Monday so I'm going to just put it up now. The ISO set is doubtful anyways, since Melissa only gave me quotes starting at 15. I think we can get that with 104 and Phantom, but not with ISO. Anyways I've had about a cumulative 4 hours of sleep between the last couple of nights due to a head cold or something. Combine that with family coming into town and school, and that's why it hasn't gone up yet.
Any pictures?Refer to the order thread for pics:
Okay I need some more info. Melissa asked me what exactly an ISO compatibility kit would contain and I don't have a 100% confident answer. I know the enter key is different but other than that I've found conflicting answers online. Someone interested in ISO compatibility telling me what they would need to add on to an ANSI layout to make it work would be appreciated.