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Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: Havok on Mon, 26 December 2011, 12:26:00: Anybody who can Instant message me through cleaning a das keyboard?
(Spilled some coke on it)
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: pitashen on Mon, 26 December 2011, 12:36:52: I think to some, google never existed
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: Havok on Mon, 26 December 2011, 12:45:36: Rather than what pita wrote.

It's that I don't want to roam through cluttered information for an hour.

I'd much rather someone tell me 'do this and that' which takes 5 min
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: Havok on Mon, 26 December 2011, 12:52:28: You see, I have very little information in terms of keyboards.
So it takes a lot of time for me to find out exactly what i have, what this is and whatever else. Sure it's fast for an enthusiast. But that is not what i am.
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Mon, 26 December 2011, 13:06:31: Quote from: pitashen;477941
I think to some, google never existed

Never underestimate the power of the situation. The OP spilled some coke on his/her keyboard and could be in a panic mode. In his/her situation it's much better to get the input of someone who has the required information since it will take less time than to filter tons of information.

Life would suck if every time we ask someone for a piece of information we get: "Google it."
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: Havok on Mon, 26 December 2011, 13:10:10: Quote from: patrickgeekhack;477962
Never underestimate the power of the situation. The OP spilled some coke on his/her keyboard and could be in a panic mode. In his/her situation it's much better to get the input of someone who has the required information since it will take less time than to filter tons of information.

Life would suck if every time we ask someone for a piece of information we get: "Google it."

This basically.
Thank you for being understanding.
I only just found this place by googling....

Edit: Could anyone point me towards a thread about specifically cleaning a das keyboard? Or would anyone keen on das keyboards actually be willing to fulfill my original request?
The reason that i don't want to search is that i'm playing SWTOR with a friend and i don't want him waiting..
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: Havok on Mon, 26 December 2011, 13:40:39: Bump?
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: pitashen on Mon, 26 December 2011, 14:08:32: All these time waiting, you could have "google more" or click the link ripster suggested.
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: pitashen on Mon, 26 December 2011, 14:20:01: Quote from: patrickgeekhack;477962
Never underestimate the power of the situation. The OP spilled some coke on his/her keyboard and could be in a panic mode.

Panic? It seems he just wants to hop back onto his MMO mode ASAP.

Quote from: Havok;477964
The reason that i don't want to search is that i'm playing SWTOR with a friend and i don't want him waiting..

lol OP, If I were you wanting some "emergency" aids, I wouldn't be this honest about the reason why I don't want to spend an hour looking for the solution.
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: Havok on Mon, 26 December 2011, 15:15:39: Quote from: pitashen;477998
Panic? It seems he just wants to hop back onto his MMO mode ASAP.

lol OP, If I were you wanting some "emergency" aids, I wouldn't be this honest about the reason why I don't want to spend an hour looking for the solution.

Did end up reading.
Trying the heat it up so it melts, method atm.
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: Havok on Tue, 27 December 2011, 02:41:57: Quote from: ripster;478086
Hahaha.

Always thought that one was funny.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?24526-I-melted-my-Key-caps-what-are-my-options
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=33662&d=1321469722)

Didn't work...
So what now?
The Das Keyboard site says not to disassemble keys like Enter, Shift, ctrl and whatever.
They say if you have to disassemble you should only disassemble the alphanumeric ones.
However enter shift ctrl are affected :/ So what do i do?...
I haven't seen a mechanical keyboard underneath yet, so should i be careful about some stuff?
Btw. I have the 'ultimate S' version.
So there's no markings on the keys, so would have to do them 1 at a time as to not **** up i guess?
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: Henry Allen Venture on Tue, 27 December 2011, 10:00:09: Quote from: Havok;478253
Btw. I have the 'ultimate S' version.
So there's no markings on the keys, so would have to do them 1 at a time as to not **** up i guess?

Not sure if troll?
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: Havok on Tue, 27 December 2011, 11:38:41: Shameless Self-Bump.

Also, ITT: People with the means to help me, but refuse to do so.
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: dimoniy on Tue, 27 December 2011, 12:19:38: Quote
Das Keyboard problem.
It's not Das's problem, it's your problem. lawl
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: laffindude on Tue, 27 December 2011, 12:30:07: Quote from: Havok;478410
Shameless Self-Bump.

Also, ITT: People with the means to help me, but refuse to do so.

It would probably help if you stated the problem.
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: pitashen on Tue, 27 December 2011, 13:10:11: Quote from: Henry Allen Venture;478343
Not sure if troll?

Na, he's just a clueless noob, who's probably playing SWTOR while waiting for us to feed him the solutions.

OP, regarding to taking off the keycaps. The only reason DAS stated not to remove larger keys is because it is not as simple as just pulling it out. They are just trying to avoid ppl pissing off at them for keyboard being damaged so “easily". Those larger keys contains stabilizers to make the key press smoother. Go to wiki and find out about Costar stabilizer and it will include the necessary steps to disassemble those keys.
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Tue, 27 December 2011, 13:29:20: Quote from: pitashen;478472
Na, he's just a clueless noob, who's probably playing SWTOR while waiting for us to feed him the solutions.

You just want to make me feel like an idiot, don't you? :-)
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: Havok on Tue, 27 December 2011, 13:41:01: Quote from: pitashen;478472
Na, he's just a clueless noob, who's probably playing SWTOR while waiting for us to feed him the solutions.

OP, regarding to taking off the keycaps. The only reason DAS stated not to remove larger keys is because it is not as simple as just pulling it out. They are just trying to avoid ppl pissing off at them for keyboard being damaged so “easily". Those larger keys contains stabilizers to make the key press smoother. Go to wiki and find out about Costar stabilizer and it will include the necessary steps to disassemble those keys.
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OR.. Your wiki is cluttered like hell.
I've searched the wiki forum, searched the 'main' wiki's, and i only get info about cherry mx stabilizers and whatever.
I don't see your problem with me either, would it be so bad to feed me solutions?
When you seem to have superior navigation and knowledge on this subject?
I know next to nothing about these keyboards.
For example, I wonder is it submersible, and if I should just use water or something else.
These wiki's have the worst navigation I've ever seen. Sure, maybe when you're used to them it's ok, but I'm not, which is why I'm asking for help.
Am I being such a bother, for you to be such an *******?

Also is dis-assembly such as this required, or does it not need to be this intrusive?
http://monda.hu/blog/2009/05/11/das-keyboard-disassembly-and-analysis/

Honestly, I'm starting to get quite pissed at you for thinking that I haven't searched for any information, which would be false.
The Problem is that it's find something specific for Das Keyboard, and I am not willing to use other guides, in case of wrecking something, this cost a lot of money afterall
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: pitashen on Tue, 27 December 2011, 13:53:55: Quote from: Havok;478491
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OR.. Your wiki is cluttered like hell.
I've searched the wiki forum, searched the 'main' wiki's, and i only get info about cherry mx stabilizers and whatever.
I don't see your problem with me either, would it be so bad to feed me solutions?
When you seem to have superior navigation and knowledge on this subject?
I know next to nothing about these keyboards.
For example, I wonder is it submersible, and if I should just use water or something else.
These wiki's have the worst navigation I've ever seen. Sure, maybe when you're used to them it's ok, but I'm not, which is why I'm asking for help.
Am I being such a bother, for you to be such an *******?

Also is dis-assembly such as this required, or does it not need to be this intrusive?
http://monda.hu/blog/2009/05/11/das-keyboard-disassembly-and-analysis/

Honestly, I'm starting to get quite pissed at you for thinking that I haven't searched for any information, which would be false.
The Problem is that it's find something specific for Das Keyboard, and I am not willing to use other guides, in case of wrecking something, this cost a lot of money afterall

I did point you to looking for Costar stabilizer didn't I? That is what under those large keys on your DAS keyboard and the wiki also provide tips on how to take them apart. DAS or not, a lot of mech boards share common components. So a lot of time you don't really need keyboard model specific guides. The wiki IS quite cluttered. and iMac seems to refuse to do anything about it for now. I admit I would hate to navigate thru them unless I am in need. And since I am not in need, you'll have to do the work :P

Those blank keys, if you look under them carefully, there should be some sort of marking. For my Leopold blank they are labeled c,b,d,and,e representing different rows of the keyboards.
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: pitashen on Tue, 27 December 2011, 13:56:40: Quote from: patrickgeekhack;478486
You just want to make me feel like an idiot, don't you? :-)

lol, no :S
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: pitashen on Tue, 27 December 2011, 14:13:40: Quote from: ripster;478507
Sorry, I don't have time to feed multiple links. Ask the other Senior Geekhackers to help you.

OP, rips knows exactly where they are, he wrote most of those wikis. lol

Here is a bonus for you since your threat of getting pissed off at me has worked:
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:12649

This is how I searched for it: I look for the most possible wiki section that may have the info. Most of the time the guess would probably be off, but that is OK. I do a text search (ctrl + F) by typing the keyword "stabilizer." I then scan thru the search and found the stabilizer section that might have what I want. I didn't see the disassemble guide right in the stabilizer section, but I did notice there was a link below named "Filco/Das/Rosewill style Cherry MX Stabilizers" I just clicked to see what it is, and voila.

Again, it is not a DAS specific guide, but they use the exact same part. Truth is, a lot of us here actually don't really like DAS coz its shiny surface finish, so your chance of having DAS owner helping you out is not zero, but not as great as u think it should be.

I gave you a mini guide on how to search thru our ill organized wiki. You are on your own if you need other info, unless other senior geekhack members are willing to help you dig out what you are looking for.
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Tue, 27 December 2011, 15:00:08: Quote from: Havok;478491
Honestly, I'm starting to get quite pissed at you for thinking that I haven't searched for any information, which would be false.
The Problem is that it's find something specific for Das Keyboard, and I am not willing to use other guides, in case of wrecking something, this cost a lot of money afterall
Calm down, take a deep breath and relax. It's the holidays season, no need to stress. I am not being sarcastic.

The wider keys were quite easy to remove on my Compaq MX1100 but other keyboards may be different.

One question: Did the Coke get into the keys?
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: Havok on Tue, 27 December 2011, 16:53:51: Thank you. I did not even know i had Cherry MX keys or similar.
As i said. Next to nothing.
I basically did the same thing as you, except i searched for stabilizer in wiki forum search. And it didn't provide the same results (or i missed it)
I apologize for the previous 'threat' if you want to call it that.
You shouldn't assume I'm a complete 'nub, as I use a lot of time on the web.
But, as earlier stated. I know next to nothing about keyboards, and terms about keyboards, I don't know what kind of keys i have and so on.
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: Havok on Tue, 27 December 2011, 16:54:21: Quote from: patrickgeekhack;478545
Calm down, take a deep breath and relax. It's the holidays season, no need to stress. I am not being sarcastic.

The wider keys were quite easy to remove on my Compaq MX1100 but other keyboards may be different.

One question: Did the Coke get into the keys?

Not sure what that would mean.
I can use the keys, but they're like sticky or... Hard to press down.
Also would like to ask.
Are all the keys the same, or are they angled differently? Or does it depend on what's under the key.
I previously stated in this thread that I have Ultimate S. Meaning that it looks like this.
http://www.daskeyboard.com/images/products/mechanical_keyboard.jpg
More like, could i place the 'z' key where the 'p' key used to be and vice versa.

I believe I have cherry MX Blue...
Not sure which 1 I should use looking at the link that pita gave.
Also, I suppose I need special key-pullers?
Do I actually need to pull them out? Or is it safe to submerge in water? (Can probably even arrange for demineralized water if that's necessary, but would take me some time)
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Tue, 27 December 2011, 19:53:28: Quote from: Havok;478587
Not sure what that would mean.
I can use the keys, but they're like sticky or... Hard to press down.
Also would like to ask.
Are all the keys the same, or are they angled differently? Or does it depend on what's under the key.
I previously stated in this thread that I have Ultimate S. Meaning that it looks like this.
http://www.daskeyboard.com/images/products/mechanical_keyboard.jpg
More like, could i place the 'z' key where the 'p' key used to be and vice versa.

I believe I have cherry MX Blue...
Not sure which 1 I should use looking at the link that pita gave.
Also, I suppose I need special key-pullers?
Do I actually need to pull them out? Or is it safe to submerge in water? (Can probably even arrange for demineralized water if that's necessary, but would take me some time)
I am pretty sure you have Cherry MX Blue. If you don't have a key puller, you can use two paper clips or two pieces of string. Cherry MX keycaps are easier to pull than Alps keycaps, much easier. Personally, I would not put the keyboard in water. That's just me.

Pull one key from each row and check the lettering inside the keycap. Each row has different shape keycaps.
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: pitashen on Tue, 27 December 2011, 20:19:53: I would pull the keycaps off of those that are sticky. It will give you a better picture of what can be done to it. Beside, if you need pure water treatment, it is also better to have the caps off so it is easier to let dry.
If you have one of those key puller shown in the guide would be the best. If not, anything that can work in the similar way to the puller can do, like the above mentioned.
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: pitashen on Tue, 27 December 2011, 20:21:48: I would pull the keycaps off of those that are sticky. It will give you a better picture of what can be done to it. Beside, if you need pure water treatment, it is also better to have the caps off so it is easier to let dry.
If you have one of those key puller shown in the guide would be the best. If not, anything that can work in the similar way to the puller can do, like the above mentioned.
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: Havok on Wed, 28 December 2011, 03:01:16: Quote from: pitashen;478687
I would pull the keycaps off of those that are sticky. It will give you a better picture of what can be done to it. Beside, if you need pure water treatment, it is also better to have the caps off so it is easier to let dry.
If you have one of those key puller shown in the guide would be the best. If not, anything that can work in the similar way to the puller can do, like the above mentioned.

But I can basically just put them back on after I've pulled them off?
No tricky business?
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: pitashen on Wed, 28 December 2011, 03:24:06: Ones with stabilizer bar are a bit tricky, but as long as you are careful with them, you'll be fine. The rest of the keys are easy. Do read the guide carefully and make note of things you should be watching out for.
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: Human on Wed, 28 December 2011, 09:27:23: I pulled the stabiliser(wire style) with my hands. Just try to move the keycaps up till it leave the stem. Then either removing the wires from the keyboards or plastic stems from the keycaps.
Title: Das Keyboard problem.
Post by: TheProfosist on Sat, 31 December 2011, 05:46:20: Well i guess ill offer to clean up the board and give it a nice lube job to get it properly functioning again. Pm me if your interested.