1.3mm Keys
I AM A ****ING SHERLOCK KEYBOARD GOD!
No Shift Sherlock.
Now remind me why are raving about the 1.3mm?
I don't like the sharper squared off new body. It's like they lost some personality. I do like the new keycaps. They look like they are very close to Cherry profile.
It wasn't correlated with the keyboards.
Plus no chicken**** predicted it. You have to have balls like I did in my subforum.
Sort of want, where's the MX Clears option?
So they have finally decided to go all out making it looking pretty much exactly like a Filco? or should I say exactly the same as CM Quick Fire Rapid.
Doubtful. The Leos w/ Clears were always a limited option. Although EK's website says the White Clears are in stock they are in fact sold out if you get to the paypal menu. Only 27 of the Black Clears remain.
They seem as overrated as reds; except you don't find a ton of people unloading their reds a day after getting them :tongue:
Clears take some getting used to, especially coming from light switches.
I suspect most folks who quickly unloaded them didn't give them time to "break in".
Whoever photoshopped those marketing shots should be fired. The black pictures looks brown...
Anybody read Korean?
Otherwise this post is just filled with noise and speculation.
Not a hugely noticeable amount, but it's also about you getting used to them...
I hope there will be at least some blank/"otaku" versions. I'd like a white one but not if it's sperm colored.
PLU87/Ducky may be considered "budget" boards but at least they get their white correct.
Doubtful. The Leos w/ Clears were always a limited option. Although EK's website says the White Clears are in stock they are in fact sold out if you get to the paypal menu. Only 27 of the Black Clears remain.
When did you try this? I ordered one of the white Leos with Clears about a week and a half ago and it went through OK. In fact, it just came in. I've had a little time to play with it, and I like it so far. I'll write up a bit of a review and post some photos in this thread (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?25354-Incoming-Leopold-FC200RE-AW-(White-Tenkeyless-with-MX-Clears)) when I get back home tonight.
I tried to order one last week. The site said in stock but the paypal cart showed 0. I called them up and they said they had a couple left. The lady said she would add them to paypal. So apparently the paypal stock and the site stock are independent of each other. Not sure whats left now but the word she used was "a couple". So it may be worth a phone call or email if someone really wants one.
Hm. I must have ordered mine after she'd added the stock, because everything went through fine. You might want to give it another go if you're still keen to get a hold of one?
RiGS - you impressed with my Sherlock abilities yet?
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It wasn't correlated with the keyboards.
How thick are regular keycaps such as filco's?
thanks for translation kdash4
i wonder what they mean by "silicon skin" included
thanks for translation kdash4You can the see the silicone skin in bottom left image of each colour section. It's just a keyboard cover. It's most noticeable in the grey/black sections, as the cover is pretty much white.
i wonder what they mean by "silicon skin" included
Incomparable, both are different thing, one is ABS and another is PBT.
You can the see the silicone skin in bottom left image of each colour section. It's just a keyboard cover. It's most noticeable in the grey/black sections, as the cover is pretty much white.ah i see it now. at first i thought that was just a white keyboard, but looking at it again, you're right, it's the skin cover.
I can read korean so I will try to translate as best as possible.
1.3mm pbt keycaps
cherry mx (brown/black/blue/red/clear(or white in korean)
new design
silicon skin included
n-key rollover
stepsculpture 2 ?? don't know if I translated that right or what it is but it seems like it is the same thing from fc200r from my brief searching. it is basically how the keys are layed out and curved.
cherry stabilizer
IC from Cypress
multimedia functions
=/ did my best...
Sort of want, where's the MX Clears option?
I don't like the sharper squared off new body. It's like they lost some personality. I do like the new keycaps. They look like they are very close to Cherry profile.
It's interesting you brought that up. One of the biggest criticisms I've read on the Leopolds was the rounded corners. I'm kind of interested in the new gray color and how it compares to the black. It's not too entirely obvious in the pic, but I wonder if it's anything like Topre's gray.
My my, that gray unit is sexy.
Correct me if I am wrong. I am under the impression that this is just a new line of tenkeyless targeting at people who want extra features (for gaming, multimedia control whatever), while the R200C line will remain available.
FTFY
Notice the colors of the switches in the removed caps pictures. Compare to pic of switch to direct right. Oops. The 'red' switch in the grey one is clearly an inverted blue. The blue switch in the black pic is way too bright. Someone just jacked the color values around in the pic of the white one to make mock up of black and grey ones. Ok it's for illustrative purpose so black one will probably be actually black, not dark chocolate, hopefully.
I can read korean so I will try to translate as best as possible.
1.3mm pbt keycaps
cherry mx (brown/black/blue/red/clear(or white in korean)
new design
silicon skin included
n-key rollover
stepsculpture 2 ?? don't know if I translated that right or what it is but it seems like it is the same thing from fc200r from my brief searching. it is basically how the keys are layed out and curved.
cherry stabilizer
IC from Cypress
multimedia functions
=/ did my best...
You can the see the silicone skin in bottom left image of each colour section. It's just a keyboard cover. It's most noticeable in the grey/black sections, as the cover is pretty much white.
I guess this means we can expect a new model FC1000R full-size keyboard?
Cypress controller, what do the FC200Rs use?
Also fook yes, Clears!
If they do that hopfully they will fixt the spacebar issue that makes it different from the TKL.
Three LED pics. Three keys cited: CapsLock, ScrollLock, WindowsLock.How about "SherLock"?
How much do the switches lighten from being broken in. I have never noticed any difference after time using my browns and blues.
I'm not hugely familiar with the full-size Leopolds. What spacebar issue are you referring to?
I have noticed that the spacebar on my new Leo tenkeyless (refer link in my sig for "in the mail" thread) is quite rattle-y out of the box. Its not a huge issue, just a little annoying.
I'm hoping applying a little grease/lube of some sort (my old man is a mechanic so there's plenty around) will quieten it down.
The space bar for full-size Leopolds isn't standard like most of other boards we normally seen such as FILCO, Cherry, Duck and many more.
In short: Normal aftermart spacebar(mostly from WASD or KBC) will be incompatible with it without some modification.
Does this affect the TKL leo's also?
who wants to gamble that the space bar from the 700 will be incompatible with the 200 and 500? :becky:
1 wAnT dI5 k3yB0aRd. Wh3r3 cAn 1 G3t D15 k3yb0ArD?!?Hey OCN just kicked in yo!
Hey OCN just kicked in yo!
Edit: Can someone please explain to me how cherry stabilizers feel in comparison with regular wire style stabilizers? I only own 2 filcos and a blackwidow.
needless to say within the last 2 weeks GH has completely scared me away from detachable keyboard cords
needless to say within the last 2 weeks GH has completely scared me away from detachable keyboard cords
Cherry style stabilizers make the stabilized keys feel different, their travel is shorter and they make a dull thud instead of a clack. It feels sort of like a regular key with an o-ring installed!
needless to say within the last 2 weeks GH has completely scared me away from detachable keyboard cords
when are these puppies coming out
Thanks! Edited it.
If you can read Korean can you check this?
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?25167-No-Shift-Sherlock-New-Leopolds-Thick-PBT-Keys-Sherlock-Observations&p=485698&viewfull=1#post485698
sure. done. posted on that thread
Wait - the pic on the right is a Leopold FC700R?Nope, it is Keycool (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:25768), a clone of Leopold(probably).
Filco stabilizers? But yet another Leopold stem spacing?
This is Filco.Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=21628&d=1311214515)
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This photo of 700R's space bar is part of a review by Glasutte of KBDMania.
Review - http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/3403927
Judging from ripster's photo of Filco's spacebar, I guess 700R's spacebar is not compatible with Filcos.
The review article says the spacebar is compatible with 300R, but not with Cherry keyboard with Windows key.
Just measured, exactly the same as the one I posted above(keycool). The one on Zowie(probably SS7G too), Noppoo Choc Pro PBT and KBC PBT(new version) seems to be compatible as well. Seems like Leopold no longer suffer to be the loner with strange spacebar. Now Ducky and Filco is the loner instead, LOL...
Pictures "borrow" from a China forum.Show Image(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/altesien/IMG_0566.jpg)Show Image(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v349/altesien/IMG_0565.jpg)
Actually, Fn+RCtrl as combination acts as Menu key. ( Q&A article of KBDMania - http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/3404065 )
I think it would have been better implementation if it acted as if it swaps RCtrl with Menu key, but it would have required additional LED to indicate swap status.
OK this makes the FCN keys a lot clearer. FCN+WIN is Windows lockout (that's indeed is what the F5 LED is for). FCN+RCtrl is swapping CTRL to Menu key.
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ripster should I wait for this or pull the trigger on a filco now
I mwould wair if you already have a mechanical board.
yeah I do, thanks profosist for your opinion I think I'll wait
I mwould wait if you already have a mechanical board.Edited to fix one typo, but not the other. I find that humorous.
Edited to fix one typo, but not the other. I find that humorous.
is there any tutorials on how to use this site I dont understand **** chrome translate doesnt get half of it
how much is shipping to the US from there
Why is the grey model so popular it looks just like the black model only a shade lighter and I would hardly call grey looks more like off black
If your going off the original pictures they looked to be renders only so actual color wont be known until after actual photos are posted. I think why its so popular is because of the industrial look.
Can't access Leopold's website anymore.
If anyone wants to share the cost of shipping on a future purchase, I'm in =)
Looks like they do not offer shipping outside of Korea (or even the ability to setup an account outside of Korea). I will send them an email to discuss if they can ship here. Maybe get them to do a large group order if I can get the following here for it.
Can't access Leopold's website anymore.
If anyone wants to share the cost of shipping on a future purchase, I'm in =)
I got some spare time today. And see the famous Lie-Fold have launched some ****ty-board again.
First pic. Funny spaced bar. (Thanks GLST of KBDMania).
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According hearsay, it matches with their model "300R" only.
They call it "Our advanced new and own design". Silly.
3rd pic. Ooops sorry, it is not just another Filco but OLD Filco. (Thanks BMC of KBDMania)
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What the hell is this elements ? Where are we now ? in typewriter museum ?
I think their changing too many things from the original design...
They do not have any original design.
They only have old clone and bit_older_but_newly launched another clone. That is it (Ah, and full of bull****s..).
Carl Matsu MIGHT have been fired after the FC500 Disaster just like he was "let go" from Diatec.
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Carl Matsu MIGHT have been fired after the FC500 Disaster just like he was "let go" from Diatec.
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Pic. Is it 6th? 7th? whatever..
Keytops (cheers, china !)
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(Thanks GLST of KBDMania).
(Left pic.)
Cherry double shot Z/A/Q
Fu**ing Lie-fold blank Z/A/Q
(Right pic. is just different angle)
Yo Hamblet.
Long time no see.
How are the Korean Keyboard Forums treating you?
Way worse than that.
When I say "FUC" they recon me, so I could not finish "KING".
Fresh stupids are gathering day by day.
Old bloods are still there with no brain.
Why does this happen to every thread here?
3rd pic. Ooops sorry, it is not just another Filco but OLD Filco. (Thanks BMC of KBDMania)
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4th pic. The copy goes "You may feel proud of this board..."
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Hamblet, have you heard of "Tall Poppy Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome)"?
Can someone explain why this is considered grey? http://www.leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1325852145#사용후기 looks more off black to me, is this the grey model everyone is drooling over
Can someone explain why this is considered grey? http://www.leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1325852145#사용후기 looks more off black to me, is this the grey model everyone is drooling over
Can someone explain why this is considered grey? http://www.leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1325852145#사용후기 looks more off black to me, is this the grey model everyone is drooling over
Welcome back Hamblet! Missed ya.
FC700R = Made in China
FC200R = Made in Taiwan
Any comments on pros/cons?
It is not the matter of pros/cons.
It is regarding facts.
Some of their elements from mainland China and others from Taiwan.
Sometimes the elements are materials or ideas. So, nobody can tell you this or that clearly.
As far as I know 700R is made in mainland China (I do not have any hard evidence yet. Actually, i do not want to collect and prove it. Wasting time).
In my opinion 700R is a pure Garbage.
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can you elaborate on this bolded part here
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can you elaborate on this bolded part here
You are like Ripsters evil twin...
He posted his rage/whine/arguement all over in his posts in the previous 3 pages, go dig it out yourself.
It's pretty harsh to say someone have dyslexia when they are just asking for clarification.
Especially when their posts make as little sense as his do.
Can someone explain to me what the actual f**k just happened to this thread?
A wild Leopold hater appeared.
He used explanations. The opponents are confused.
He used pictures. The opponents are still confused.
He used rage. It is super effective. The opponents remain confused.
Lie-fold Co.,Ltd Taiwan??? What is this, I don't even...
http://rra.go.kr/approval/status/view.jsp?category=2&no=KCC-REI-LEO-FC700RT (http://rra.go.kr/approval/status/view.jsp?category=2&no=KCC-REI-LEO-FC700RT)
And why so many models?
Seems like there's more than just 15 combinations in that list.
I only hate lying gurus and ignorant asshats just like you !!!!
First pic. Their keytop changability has big (just as big as space bar width) problem.
2nd pic. Are you a copycat ? I hate counterfeit. imitation itself is not so bad, but lying is a different thing.
3rd pic. If you feel new, after close look at this pity inside view, you have a big problem.
4th pic. My skills are hundred better than this.
Painting. Maybe you do not have any experience.
No More Dirty Words.. Please..
I guess, you are another dyslexia. Are you from KBDMaiacs ????
I like this guy, he actually brought up some valuable info.+1
Hamblet, you got my vote for 1# keyboard expert in the universe.
@Rigs,
I don't quite understand what do you mean by rattling stabilizers.
Are the ones on the FC700R mounted in a different way than the WYSE?
The Leopold is assembled in China, and I think they don't give a **** about key wiggle.
+1
Hamblet deserves his own subforum here.
why? imo he gives very vague answers and than personally attacks people, which will probably get him banned eventually, he does bring up some interesting discussions however.
Well im going to say its a nice board that interests me. I will know weather its constructed well or not when I get my hands on it. And saying that Leopold takes some queues from Filcos makes perfect sense due to designer. I you think they copy please take a look at a PLU once, now that is copying.
Sorry dud.
From 200RT, you have to study the name Datacomp.
What are we talking about ? Keyboard ? Or Street hookers ??
And, for your imformation, the secret secret "stabbed to death"" Gerpanish named engineering guy.
In Lie-fold copy goes,
"..Japanese engineer who worked for IBM (in charge of product development), has designed and reviewd our goods production.."
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And unidentified rumor goes, he worked for TOSHIBA (in charge of keyboard - Anyway, what kind of Toshiba keyboard do you know ?).
I think this one is a really #1 keyboarding guy in the whole universe. Who are you ?
He's saying you need to look at the pictures. It's not a Costar keyboard.I know its not why would i think it would be? Is he saying a board has to be any good? If so that is completely false!
Hamblet and I are simpatico.
It's perfectly clear now that you guys are either trolling and/or fans (or paid off) by competing brands.
Ok what the **** is going on? I've read many, MANY reviews on Leopolds (and in fact had owned a couple) and this is the first I've heard of Leopolds feet being a problem.
It's perfectly clear now that you guys are either trolling and/or fans (or paid off) by competing brands.
I like this guy, he actually brought up some valuable info.
Hamblet, you got my vote for 1# keyboard expert in the universe.
He's saying you need to look at the pictures. It's not a Costar keyboard.
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Hamblet and I are simpatico.
I am not sure if Leopold is copying/cloning Costar but I am pretty sure the FC700R is made in China(call me Captain Obvious for which it is even stated in their site).
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2096177&view=findpost&p=48228590
I don't really care if it is a copy/clone, as long as it is of high built quality, I am willing to pay my money for it.
We need another forum here just for people who like to hear themselves talk (and usually not about keyboards).
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...Why should we assume that the FC700R will be any different from the Keycool,..
Hamblet, here:
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:25768
Again, I apologize for the surly Geekhackers. There are a lot of them these days.
You're welcome.
You're now Citation #95 in my Signature.
(Try not to contact. It should be very very very slow outside that area).
...Btw that spacebar is compatible with the Noppoo Choc Pro, and the NEO KB-87 Zeba as well.
Here's another Spacebar - from my SP Dyesub group buy:
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This one actually fits both Filco and Leopold very well...
Here's another Spacebar - from my SP Dyesub group buy:
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This one actually fits both Filco and Leopold very well. Unlike Neo's idea (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?25836-NEO-KB-87-Zeba-Wireless-Tenkeyless-Keyboard-review!&p=490193&viewfull=1#post490193) which doesn't work because of Leopold's stabilizers.
Lie-fold sold out 300 units of 700Rs. Which include its leather palm rest as an promotion item.
Now, most of them are on their ways to its new owners. Unfortunately they are almost newbies. There will be not that much high chances of balanced reports from them any more (i guess).
One thing they are interested in is noise from STBL keys - especially unwanted noise from spacebar. As you may well know that, it is impossible to take away STBL noise this kind of stupid cherry STBL. Unlike cherry's, if you have Maje (or some other clones) you can reduce unwanted noise far below allowable level with easy. Because the owner of resonance space is not STBL but you and such sources are relatively small.
Some of early reports say, 700R reduced its noise. But, they gave no evidence. So, I guessed it is just a lie. And still I think I am not wrong. Yes. As a result of comparing some photos, it is clear that Datacomp has changed their structure a little bit (inside/outside casing, PCB, mounting plate). But, in my personal view, Sorry, you got a fail, can find no improvement in final result. Lie-fold still deserves only to be a *ucking marketing storyteller.
If you guys found hard evidence with your own hand. Just tell me. I am looking forward to seeing it.
What difference is there between the STBL on the FC700R and the WYSE type?
...There's a big difference.
No difference in stabs, but most Wyse boards plates are like 2mm thick. There's a big difference.
No difference in stabs, but most Wyse boards plates are like 2mm thick. There's a big difference.
how do you buy from this site, how much is shipping to the states
leopold.co.kr only operates for sales within Korea. we have to wait for them to export it through elitekeyboards.com :(
Reading the first 5 pages of this thread had me convinced this is what I should get for a first mech, but now I'm completely lost again. Oh well.
Welcome to Geekhack. We're lost here everyday. lol
Welcome to Geekhack. We're lost here everyday. lol
Simple. KBC won't manufacture blank black PBT's unless its a huge order (500 sets to be precise.)what are you gonna do about the keycaps with led-holes
Since Leopolds have come with Otaku keycaps and that Brian has hinted for the last year of bringing out keycap sets I thought it could be a strong possibility they could exist.
is the 700R worth the wait?
the keys i.e. look very cheap on the 200
im getting the white 700 when they are in stocks. Looks like EK got stocks before AUS on this. $120 is our Aussie price it seems at my local PC store.
I'm not seeing it under EK
I'm not seeing that EK has stock
Last I heard EK had no current plans to get the 700R?
Unless they've changed their minds, I think Ripster has successfully trolled y'all. (Well played.)
The EK guy is probably getting pretty sick of emails asking about the 700Rs by now.
im getting the white 700 when they are in stocks. Looks like EK got stocks before AUS on this. $120 is our Aussie price it seems at my local PC store.
Last I heard EK had no current plans to get the 700R?
Unless they've changed their minds, I think Ripster has successfully trolled y'all. (Well played.)
The EK guy is probably getting pretty sick of emails asking about the 700Rs by now.
I emailed them too. I got reply about no plans of getting them in stock.
So here's the reason I'm reviving this somewhat dated post. The parentals are going to Korea in a week and offered to get me something for when they come back. For a guy who already has a CM Storm QFire (blues) and has a KBT Race (reds) on the way, should I bother asking them to get me one in reds? If I do get one I suppose I can try it out and see if I like it or not and then pass it onto another GHer if needed. I feel like this is just a F200 with PBT caps...
^Honestly I don't blame them. I feel like the only thing new is the implementation of media keys and PBT caps. >_> Probably not worth it in the end. But hey, for free, I'd be willing to find out.
^Honestly I don't blame them. I feel like the only thing new is the implementation of media keys and PBT caps. >_> Probably not worth it in the end. But hey, for free, I'd be willing to find out.
Elitekeyboards said they were evaluating them and havent made a decision if they're going to carry themIt would seem silly to me not to carry them. The FC700R looks like an attractive upgrade to the FC200R. I seriously want one of each color; black with Blues, white with Reds and Grey with Browns. :peace:
Really, what more could you implement?
Nothing really. Lol. I'm just not that big on media keys and I think if you got an F200 for like $70 on here and then bought some PBT keys from qtan or something it would come out to be cheaper. Seeing as its like 127000WON (~$112.50USD) or so in Korea, I'm estimating that having them brought over to the states and getting the markup for profit by EK would be an extra $20 or so.
But then again, the F200s sell for like $87USD in Korea, which isn't that much of a price discrepancy from what EK sells em for so I could be wrong. Seeing as I haven't tried PBT caps yet either puts me in a biased position of cost vs. value lol.
Leopold FC700R Price is $114.75+shipping, little steep imo
But cherry stabilizers and no rubber on the feet and usb problems
still cheaper than Filco, but with better key cap and media control and window lock.But if that's the only reason..you might as well buy something like a CM Storm Quickfire. Has all of the above. Cheaper than both Leopold and Filco.
.... I'll continue to sell the Dodge Dart! Really, what more could you implement in a Dodge Viper? Are the wheels BIGGER? Do they turn faster? Why would anyone want a Dodge Viper when they have been buying Dodge Darts for decades?I would agree with this argument, but this is like a product that isn't really competing anymore. For the price you might as well buy that Corvette which is cheaper and has a lot more to it. (TRANSLATED: Buy that CM Storm Quickfire for cheaper and stick on some PBT keycaps from a GB). It's just not ECONOMICALLY desirable I suppose. For me at least. But then again I'd be getting it for free! Which is :3
Leopold FC700R Price is $114.75+shipping, little steep imo
But cherry stabilizers and no rubber on the feet and usb problems
still cheaper than Filco, but with better key cap and media control and window lock.
Well, I got a FC700 coming in with browns in the coming weeks. It'll be my first leopold so hopefully it lives up to expectations.
Just set global hotkeys within your media software and edit the registry to disable the windows key, saved $1XX.
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?25167-No-Shift-Sherlock-New-Leopolds-Thick-PBT-Keys-Sherlock-Observations&p=595472&viewfull=1#post595472
It'll be cheaper for the patient.
I got a white 700R w blue sw shipped directly from Korea (~140 $ shipped). . . the 33rd keyboard (lol. . . mah lucky number) sweet keyboard, sexy color and keycaps, however I hate the damn space bar
Did you get a black one? It looks gray in the pictures. Was curious how it looks. Also where'd u order?
I got a white 700R
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:31663
will add photos later.
I was wondering is the spacebar one of those odd size ones that are on the 200?
Yes. . . yes it is. . . .
BTW: second one arrivedShow Image(http:// http://nm3.upanh.com/b1.s29.d2/c6b39b475fda7125d44e577bf0b41849_45214713.25052012369.jpg)