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Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: F u r u y á on Tue, 24 January 2012, 17:03:41
For you that are a happy owner of a Japanese layout Filco:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Furuyah/Keyboard/JapaneseFilco.jpg)


Would you please take the following measurements from your spacebar:

(s-------x-------s)
s: stabilizer
x: key stem
-: distance
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Thank you!
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: Tony on Sat, 28 January 2012, 23:30:38
Japanese people do not come to this forum.

With that picture, assume the Filco tenkeyless are all the same  you can calculate all proportional length.
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: laffindude on Sat, 28 January 2012, 23:48:53
I believe the Spacebar is 4.5 keys wide, unless my math failed me.
15keys wide - 6*1.25 - 3x1

working under the assumption of centered space bar stem, and standard stabilizer to edge spacing (I don't own a Japanese layout yet, but the caps seems to be this way regardless of size).
distance between stem and stabilizer would be:
X = keycap spacing = .75"
4.5X*.5 - .5X = 1.75X = 21/16" = 1.3125" = 3.33cm
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: F u r u y á on Sun, 29 January 2012, 09:42:29
Quote from: laffindude;502114
X = keycap spacing = .75"
4.5X*.5 - .5X = 1.75X = 21/16" = 1.3125" = 3.33cm
I don't understand your math! Explain please :)
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: F u r u y á on Sun, 29 January 2012, 11:41:23
Quote from: ripster;502335
I'd answer your question but KL would just troll whatever I say.
Thank you for letting me know.
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: sam113101 on Sun, 29 January 2012, 12:20:04
A normal key cap is 18 mm and 33 px in your picture.
The space bar is 147 px in your picture so it would be 80 mm.

The bigger the size of your picture, the more accurate it is, so try another picture maybe?
I'm curious to know how close I am.
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: hazeluff on Sun, 29 January 2012, 12:33:02
Knowing a full row is 15 units.

The are 6 1.25 unit keys, 3 1 unit keys and the spacebar.

This means the spacebar is 4.5 unit key.

Don't know about your stabilizers tho.
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: laffindude on Sun, 29 January 2012, 16:52:07
Quote from: F u r u y á;502312
I don't understand your math! Explain please :)



4.5X*.5 - .5X = 1.75X = 21/16" = 1.3125" = 3.33cm

4.5X*.5 = half of space bar
.5X = stabilizer to edge of key.
Subtract stabilizer to edge from half of space = center to stabilizer
Also, since we subtracted the outer edge with the .5X, we can ignore the fact that each key is slightly smaller than the .75" spacing.
rest of the stuff is just conversion (I did it in imperial before noticing you're from Brazil.)
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: guilleguillaume on Sun, 29 January 2012, 19:59:11
I own one.

I think I should be able to measure it tomorrow.

By the way Ripster you were more helpful when you didn't had a subforum. Don't understand your way to reply with excuses instead of giving answers.
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: laffindude on Mon, 30 January 2012, 00:53:43
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Is it really that weird? I blame my American public school education.
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: laffindude on Mon, 30 January 2012, 01:46:17
I know the keycaps are not exactly .75" wide, since there are spaces between the caps. However, since the space bar don't need gaps between each unit, and I discarded the edge, I thought I can remove the smaller than .75" number from consideration.

Edit: I got the .5x from comparing the stem to edge distance on my spacebar vs a 1x key. Looked close enough. Could be wrong. Costar stabilizer isn't that picky anyways ;o
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: F u r u y á on Mon, 30 January 2012, 19:42:17
I'm asking because I want a Filco with Japanese Layout and I was wondering if SP's Tipro space bar would fit it.
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 01 February 2012, 11:17:08
Quote from: F u r u y á;503712
I'm asking because I want a Filco with Japanese Layout and I was wondering if SP's Tipro space bar would fit it.

I'm interestedn in this info too!

Quote from: ripster;505279
Dunno.  Did you see my pics in my subforum?  It's under the TIL thread.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=39004&d=1327938586)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=39005&d=1327938588)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=39006&d=1327938589)

Ripster the MX version of this spacebar has the same measures.

Total lenght: 85mm
Length between stabilizers: 70mm

The central stem is at 35mm from the stabilizer stems so it is in the middle.

By the way ripster your stabilizer looks "cheap", the one on my MX version has the same molding as the largest one, Does it make any clacky sound?
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: biolaser on Wed, 01 February 2012, 12:20:05
Quote from: F u r u y á;503712
I'm asking because I want a Filco with Japanese Layout and I was wondering if SP's Tipro space bar would fit it.

Yes! I want a JIS-layout Filco too. I thought maybe I was the only one here into this layout, based on seeing no keycap sets offered for it in the group buys. I suppose if I really wanted to, I could import one myself using Rakuten/Tenso service, so maybe I'm not that desperate...yet.
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: laffindude on Wed, 01 February 2012, 12:24:03
Out of pure curiosity, what does the E/J, and the 3 extra keys on the bottom row do under US layout in Windows?
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: F u r u y á on Wed, 01 February 2012, 13:19:19
Quote from: guilleguillaume;505325
The central stem is at 35mm from the stabilizer stems so it is in the middle.

Oh. So it does not fit (SP's Tipro: 3 mounts, 28mm apart).

Thanks ripster and guilleguillaume.
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: biolaser on Wed, 01 February 2012, 22:44:25
Quote from: laffindude;505361
Out of pure curiosity, what does the E/J, and the 3 extra keys on the bottom row do under US layout in Windows?

In the EN/US mode, the E/J key is the tilde key, and the extra buttons along the bottom don't do anything (at least I haven't seen them do anything). There are also two additional keys (one in the number row and another just above the bottom most row) that don't do anything in the EN/US mode.
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: F u r u y á on Wed, 01 February 2012, 22:46:08
I suppose the extra keys in bottom row are for switching between hiragana, katakana, kandi?
Title: If you have a Japanese layout Filco, please read!
Post by: biolaser on Wed, 01 February 2012, 23:47:29
Quote from: F u r u y á;505958
I suppose the extra keys in bottom row are for switching between hiragana, katakana, kandi?

Yup. Sometimes the keys are printed with symbols to make the keys look less cluttered I think. But originally, they should be 無変換, 変換, and カタカナ／ひらがな／ローマ字, or roughly translated: non-conversion, (re)conversion, katakana/hiragana/romaji. The keys have different functions depending on whether you are in the middle of typing (dotted lines appear underneath the text you are typing so that you can convert the appropriate parts of it into kanji).