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geekhack Marketplace => Great Finds => Topic started by: tipo33 on Tue, 07 February 2012, 16:26:26
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/270888946569?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_500wt_882
I messaged him about specifics, he has 192.00 ( I bought one ) and 2122's and some others. These are ALPS with beautiful doubleshots. I mean they are GORGEOUS looking keycaps.
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haha i've been selling these for cheap on here for months with almost no interest
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Oh, I'm kinda new here. I jumped on it.
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As cool as NeXT was, I just don't find the keyboards particularly appealing. A black keyboard must have looked cool back in the 80's though - they only became commonplace 17-18 years later. I guess Steve Jobs was ahead of his time, as usual.
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It's still nice. BiNiaRiS would have charged you more.
Win, Win then. Looking forward to recieving it in the mail :)
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It's still nice. BiNiaRiS would have charged you more.
You love to tell people to click the link in your sig. So i'll do the same.
Click the link in my sig and my sales thread clearly shows $25 shipped for next keyboards.
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It's still nice. BiNiaRiS would have charged you more.
He charged me a lot less for the keycaps (for my ALPSulator)
The NEXT ones do look nice. If you mix the caps, you can get a really nice modern look.
edit: yeah, Biniaris has great prices.
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I stand corrected. Binaris would have charged you less.
It's okay: you gotta stay up on the pricing to maintain your #1 status. It's just the price you gotta pay to be #1.
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Actually I mean: who's this 'Binaris' guy...?
Anyone have a source of cheap wire-type keypullers? The ugly plastic one that came with my Cmsotrm finally broke, and I need one to pull the keys off my ALPSulator (which are on there pretty good....)
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I'd be interested to see what the Minitouch looks like with the NeXT keycaps.
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I don't think you'd be able to replace them all. I think the F-row on the Siig has smaller caps, so I don't think the NEXT's will fit. Still, I do think it'd be pretty sweet.
@ripster, I've had something on-topic in all my posts here. I'm careful about that. Your "Please stay on topic" is, ironically enough, off topic. Please stay on topic.
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Yup, the F-row is small, but I was thinking more of the 'Fn' key in the bottom left or the size of the Enter key as likely to be problematic.
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I couldn't get any more to fit.
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your next keys could use a cleaning :D
the more i see black keys, the more i dislike them somehow...
good thing my boards all will be light colored :D
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your next keys could use a cleaning :D
the more i see black keys, the more i dislike them somehow...
good thing my boards all will be light colored :D
dirty caps + way too much flash is gonna look bad. i took that photo months ago though. the caps looks great once they are clean.
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It is important to note though that the particular eBay seller referenced at the begginning of the thread has about 100 non-ada boards available. Sorry BiNiaRis I also missed your items for sale. This was $25 for each board correct? Fortunately, I picked up 3 boards from that eBay seller for a total of $70 shipped, I told him I was mainly interested in the caps so he sold me one board for $20 that was missing the NeXT logo on the top.
I asked the seller if we could email him directly to inquire about the boards and am still waiting for a response.
I like using eBay, but if I've worked with a seller previously I have no problem working directly with the seller again and saving on the eBay fees.
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Thanks BiNiaRis for posting the picture; a pity that the remaining keys don't fit.
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Anyone have a source of cheap wire-type keypullers? The ugly plastic one that came with my Cmsotrm finally broke, and I need one to pull the keys off my ALPSulator (which are on there pretty good....)
Not a fan of the look of the NeXT, the body of the keyboard just seems way too rectangular. Can't tell the quality of the key cap's lettering, picture from the ad is too blurry.
Same thing happened to me recently with my CMstorm keypuller. I saw some similar pullers from Signature Plastics that were selling for about $1.50, but I wouldn't want to spend anymore for something I can also do with
careful use of a letter opener or a screwdriver.
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I'm not a huge fan of the keyboard, but I admire some of the details used in it. Those key caps are pretty awesome looking, black with green doubleshots. I'll take a few photos once I get these caps completely cleaned.
Regarding the key puller, I would never use a letter opener or a screwdriver to remove key caps. Complicated switches can be delicate if the cap is on tight and can be damaged from being pulled at a wrong angle, however rare this is still possible. I usually use wire key pullers with very low force to let the key cap come off on its own. For larger keys like enter, shift, space bar, I usually use multiple plastic key pullers to even the force required to remove them.
You could buy a cheap wire puller on ebay, but if you buy a full set of key caps from WASD keyboards (http://www.wasdkeyboards.com) they give you a free wire key puller.
Or you could buy a $150 Filco wire key puller and get the keyboard free!
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I've got a NeXTstation - and although the keys are nicer than most modern keys, they're nothing special compared to older early 80's/late 70's keycaps. If you want to swap keys with a newer ALPS keyboard, you'll have many keys missing (no function keys, many keys don't fit) - so it won't look nice anyway.
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I've got a NeXTstation - and although the keys are nicer than most modern keys, they're nothing special compared to older early 80's/late 70's keycaps. If you want to swap keys with a newer ALPS keyboard, you'll have many keys missing (no function keys, many keys don't fit) - so it won't look nice anyway.
Me, I just wanted some keys to look nice on my ALPSulator, so it works out.
I thought the NEXT keys looked pretty good in the pictures. I know how much dark gray can command here (see dolch). In what way are they inferior to '70's - '80's doubleshots? I pulled the keys from my IBM selectric II (~1977) and they are pretty awesome.
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Yes, they'd look nice on an ALPSulator. I was going to put them on an Apple Extended keyboard (M0115), but it would look a bit silly with so many missing keys. The closest match is the Apple M0116, but there are at least 3 or 4 keys that won't work (maybe more depending on stabilizer positions) plus the space bar. Maybe I'll try it one day when I'm bored.
In what way are they inferior to '70's - '80's doubleshots?
Compare the NeXT keycaps to these:
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9893/keycaps.jpg)
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/7829/bluebig.jpg)
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9716&d=1273112866)
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9713&d=1273100233)
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6239/blackkeys.jpg)
Of course, these keycaps won't fit on any modern keyboard without major work, but they make the NeXT keycaps look like cheap, dull crap.
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I don't like spherical caps...they look too old. I prefer the next caps.
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Would love to pick up one of these from BiNiaRiS and I've seen at least passing reference to using them with Linux (they are in this list (http://www.jwz.org/xkeycaps/)) but I still have no idea how I'd get one working under Windows. Doing some research...
EDIT: Looks like someone made a NeXT Non-ADB to PS/2 adapter, but there's no explanation (at least not in English) as to what went in to it, and it may be a one-off. Not sure.
http://m0115.web.fc2.com/
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Would love to pick up one of these from BiNiaRiS and I've seen at least passing reference to using them with Linux (they are in this list (http://www.jwz.org/xkeycaps/)) but I still have no idea how I'd get one working under Windows. Doing some research...
EDIT: Looks like someone made a NeXT Non-ADB to PS/2 adapter, but there's no explanation (at least not in English) as to what went in to it, and it may be a one-off. Not sure.
http://m0115.web.fc2.com/
If you had an ADB NeXT: you could get it working with Hasu's ADB to USB Teensy code. Otherwise, writing your own teensy program to do it would be the only recourse, I think.
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This is really interesting stuff. (http://m0115.web.fc2.com/main.html#USBKBD) Don't suppose we have any native Japanese speakers here who would be willing to clean up the Google translation? He offers some documents in English but not the "how to make any keyboard USB" stuff.
Just reading through it quickly with the rough Google / Chrome translation it doesn't appear any of this is beyond me, though I'm not saying it wouldn't be difficult. Very intriguing. I have a Teensy ++ 2.0 /somewhere/ I was using to jailbreak my PS3 which should be capable of everything the little microcontroller he's using is, and more. I may look for a forum where Teensy programmers hang out and see who else is doing this sort of thing.
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^^^
How is this relevant?
I'm adding something to the conversation, I have previous experience doing basic microcontroller programming, I found a pre-existing example of what I'm looking for, some documentation in Japanese... While I realize all of this is several years old and likely discussed elsewhere -- no, I did not attempt a search of the forums, though I have done some fairly extensive Googling at this point -- it's relevant to what's going on here, in this thread. I read through your NeXT keyboard thread as well, but nothing new was added there. In it you assumed the board you got was PS/2 when in fact none of them are (and yours was non-ADB, making an off-the-shelf converter unavailable); someone made mention of the converter I independently found and you immediately shrugged it off. I do realize you never intended to use the board, just harvest the keycaps, but still.
How do my posts have any relevance to your "theory"? This is not as case of asking to be handed things or otherwise being lazy, I'm sharing my findings in hopes they will be helpful and draw the interest of others. Your posts in this thread, on the other hand, have been consistently negative, added nothing, and shown a total lack of interest in progress. If that's the extent of what you're going to "bring to the table" please, spend your time elsewhere.
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To clarify, I'm not expecting someone else to do it, I'm going to do it. Myself. I have done more complicated things, both from an electronics and programming standpoint, in the past. I'm just looking for the necessary documentation at this point.