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Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: Romp on Thu, 16 February 2012, 15:30:20

I currently have a Rosewill RK-9000RE

(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/8311/img6552b.jpg)

I love my keyboard, except one thing......The stabilizers make the space bar squeak here and there.
I was wondering if there is a board out there with the same quality/price as a Rosewill/Filco without the stabilizers. I'd probably wanna switch it up and try out a Brown or Blue switches too.
Any suggestion or feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you ~

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: sordna on Thu, 16 February 2012, 15:40:25

Large keys need stabilizers, otherwise if you press them off center, they'll just bind. You can lift the keycap and remove the stabilizer inserts and you will see what I mean. Fixing the squeak is super easy, just lift the keycap and apply some grease like white lithium grease or silicone grease to all the stabilizer hinges. Done.

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: RiGS on Thu, 16 February 2012, 15:42:47

It's easy to fix it. Read the Wiki and add some thick grease preferably silicone to the stabilizer. WASD keyboards have lube on those stabilizers to eliminate this issue.

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: Romp on Thu, 16 February 2012, 15:43:00

I'm not sure but don't some boards have like 3 switches for space bar, instead of 1 switch + stabilizer?

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: Ascaii on Thu, 16 February 2012, 15:45:08

Yes, there is such a board in the making. The price...is the main problem^^.
7bit designed a layout for the phantom that uses zero stabilizers...you can find more info about the 7bit layout in the phantom gb post and the WIKI entry over at DT.

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: RiGS on Thu, 16 February 2012, 15:46:24

Quote from: ripster;516367

Duckys use two switches for ISO enter keys.

That is ****ed up man.

**** stands for Quack.

I think they removed the spring from the second one.

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 16 February 2012, 15:47:05

Quote from: Romp;516366

I'm not sure but don't some boards have like 3 switches for space bar, instead of 1 switch + stabilizer?

More than one switch would work only for keys that are relatively short anyway, perhaps up to half the size of a regular space bar.

There is a metal bar between the two stabilizer points. There would be no bar between the two outermost switches. A space bar on three switches would still bind.

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: Romp on Thu, 16 February 2012, 15:49:47

Thank you for all the quick responses, Looks like some nice lube should fix my prob. I still am thinking about getting the same board in Brown. Or is that a geekhack no no, To get a same board diff switch?

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: Romp on Thu, 16 February 2012, 15:54:49

Getting one for work :)
Maybe ill switch them with preference, my reds r great. But just like having sex with the same girl over and over, sure its great but you just become curious of what else is out there.

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: flyball on Thu, 16 February 2012, 17:56:42

Quote from: Romp;516352

I currently have a Rosewill RK-9000RE

Show Image

(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/8311/img6552b.jpg)

I love my keyboard, except one thing......The stabilizers make the space bar squeak here and there.
I was wondering if there is a board out there with the same quality/price as a Rosewill/Filco without the stabilizers. I'd probably wanna switch it up and try out a Brown or Blue switches too.
Any suggestion or feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you ~

wear headphones.

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: lowkey on Thu, 16 February 2012, 18:00:06

I had to use some white lithium grease on the stabilizers on my quickfire as soon as I got it.  The spacebar and backspace key were very squeaky right out of the box.  Greased them all just in case :)  

The wiki definitely helped, thanks ripster~

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: flyball on Thu, 16 February 2012, 18:03:18

Quote from: Ascaii;516370

Yes, there is such a board in the making. The price...is the main problem^^.
7bit designed a layout for the phantom that uses zero stabilizers...you can find more info about the 7bit layout in the phantom gb post and the WIKI entry over at DT.

this http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?20184-The-Phantom-and-interest-check ?

i don't get it, it says it uses costar or cherry stabilizers.

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: flyball on Thu, 16 February 2012, 18:08:34

also what's with people pushing their pcb kits on people asking about keyboards? i doubt that somebody asking about keyboards really wants to buy a keyboard, disassemble it and solder it together again.

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 16 February 2012, 19:24:52

I actually do have a very old Cherry board that only stabilized key is the spacebar, due to the size. Shifts, enter, etc are not and use ugly stepped keys. Look like ___/----\___ that from the side. I will take squeaky stabilizer anytime.

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: TopazPie on Thu, 16 February 2012, 20:33:28

Something that has worked for me every time I have encountered a squeaky key, is to simply take the key off and put it back on. It seemed to happen a lot with my cherry stabilized board. It has only happened to me once on my costar stabilized board. Never had to use grease, worth a shot. The best part is the price, just a minute of your time.

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: jellowiggler on Sat, 18 February 2012, 04:03:04

My Rosewill boards got a bit squeaky or loose after a few weeks too. I lubed the stabilized switches and they were better than new. The feeling of those keys became consistent and any wobble we eliminated.

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: clickclack on Sat, 18 February 2012, 04:41:44

Hi guys, sorry to semi-derail this thread but I just noticed something...

I had a decent sized reply to the OP around the 4th or so post but I noticed it's gone now. It was not offensive,
just pointing things out, explaining stuff and giving info and ideas. Was there another "reset" recently?
Just trying to sort things out, thanks for your time guys.

=)

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: Autolyze on Sat, 18 February 2012, 08:32:38

Quote from: flyball;516489

also what's with people pushing their pcb kits on people asking about keyboards? i doubt that somebody asking about keyboards really wants to buy a keyboard, disassemble it and solder it together again.

The stabilizer-less 7bit layout for the Phantom seems fairly relevant here and there are several GHers providing Phantom assembly service for people who don't want to build it themselves. It is a little more expensive than a Filco though. In any case, the deadline for orders has passed, so I don't think Ascaii was trying to push it on anyone.

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: lightsout714 on Sat, 18 February 2012, 10:05:34

Quote from: Romp;516366

I'm not sure but don't some boards have like 3 switches for space bar, instead of 1 switch + stabilizer?

Pretty sure you are referring to a cherry stabilizer instead of costar like you have now.  Cherry will not squeak.  But it will give the keypress of those keys a slightly different feel. The leopold is one board that has this type of stabilizer.

This site can be a pain with images, let me try again.

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Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: metafour on Sat, 18 February 2012, 11:34:34

Quote from: lightsout714;517752

Cherry will not squeak.

Unfortunately, I've heard one squeak.

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: lightsout714 on Sat, 18 February 2012, 12:12:22

Quote from: metafour;517821

Unfortunately, I've heard one squeak.

Ha I knew someone was going to post that. And you can grease them. Let me rephrase that they are less prone to squeaking.

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: eth0s on Sat, 18 February 2012, 12:20:33

Quote from: Romp;516378

I still am thinking about getting the same board in Brown. Or is that a geekhack no no, To get a same board diff switch?

Well, since you have a Rosewill, maybe you should try a Leo or a Filco for your next keyboard.

Quote from: ripster;516379

Just don't buy two keyboards and RMA the one you don't like.

That IS considered bad form because it raises my price.

Hey Rip, you know i luv you man (or if u didn't know it, i guess u do now), but I have to respectfully disagree with you here.  In the dog-eat-dog world of American-style capitalism, the consumer owes no duty to a fellow consumer.  The OP can RMA his keyboard, without breaching any ethical, moral, legal, or other duty to you.  However, the OP shouldn't RMA a keyboard unless it is actually defective in some way (or is not fit for the intended purpose where that fact could not be ascertained until his taking delivery of the actual keyboard in question), because RMA'ing a perfectly good keyboard is unethical since it is akin to fraud.  Furthermore, the OP has no duty to lower the price (or to not drive the price up) for other consumers.  The brotherhood-of-consumers relationship simply does not exist in our society.  Should it exist?  I don't know, I'm not a philosopher.  What I do know is that it does not exist.  If it did exist it would be akin to some kind of buyer's collective or buyer's union or something like that, which is anathema to the "me-first" principles of self-interest espoused by the Father of Modern Economics Adam Smith:  "Individual Ambition Serves the Common Good."  A man to whose ideas, I have seen you subscribe in other threads on this very forum.

Title: Mechnical Keyboard without Stabilizers
Post by: flyball on Sat, 18 February 2012, 15:50:15

Quote from: eth0s;517863

Well, since you have a Rosewill, maybe you should try a Leo or a Filco for your next keyboard.



Hey Rip, you know i luv you man (or if u didn't know it, i guess u do now), but I have to respectfully disagree with you here.  In the dog-eat-dog world of American-style capitalism, the consumer owes no duty to a fellow consumer.  The OP can RMA his keyboard, without breaching any ethical, moral, legal, or other duty to you.  However, the OP shouldn't RMA a keyboard unless it is actually defective in some way (or is not fit for the intended purpose where that fact could not be ascertained until his taking delivery of the actual keyboard in question), because RMA'ing a perfectly good keyboard is unethical since it is akin to fraud.  Furthermore, the OP has no duty to lower the price (or to not drive the price up) for other consumers.  The brotherhood-of-consumers relationship simply does not exist in our society.  Should it exist?  I don't know, I'm not a philosopher.  What I do know is that it does not exist.  If it did exist it would be akin to some kind of buyer's collective or buyer's union or something like that, which is anathema to the "me-first" principles of self-interest espoused by the Father of Modern Economics Adam Smith:  "Individual Ambition Serves the Common Good."  A man to whose ideas, I have seen you subscribe in other threads on this very forum.

last time i checked "didn't like" wasn't a valid defect.