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Title: Tiny form factor + NO NKRO + not HHKB?
Post by: sth on Tue, 28 February 2012, 12:31:54
Hey all...
I'm looking to add to my list of Mac/nix-compatible mechs, and I really want something along the lines of the Choc Mini. Can anyone tell me what boards, if any, fit the bill? I don't really want to run a bunch of adapters so non-NKRO is pretty much a must, although for the right board I may sacrifice having a perfectly organized desk :)

Also, if anybody is interested, and this doesn't already exist, I would be willing to collaborate on some mac-specific keyboard documentation/resources. PM if you want to discuss.
Title: Tiny form factor + NO NKRO + not HHKB?
Post by: fossala on Tue, 28 February 2012, 12:33:04
Why not a HHKB?
Title: Tiny form factor + NO NKRO + not HHKB?
Post by: REVENGE on Tue, 28 February 2012, 13:11:19
Quote from: sth;529530
non-NKRO
?

Except the Choc Mini, the RACE and PLU-ML87 are both fine for Macs. NKRO isn't the real issue, it's the controller implementation. Whether or not a board has diodes for NKRO doesn't matter, it only depends on how they implement the NKRO over USB functionality. If you take a controller like Soarer's Teensy converter, it will handle NKRO over USB with any OS just fine. As long as the board does not advertise NKRO over USB, you should have no problems either way. The ML87 isn't even NKRO capable, it doesn't have the requisite diodes. The CMStorm is 6KRO over USB using a controller that is AnyOS compatible. Same goes for the RACE.
Title: Tiny form factor + NO NKRO + not HHKB?
Post by: REVENGE on Tue, 28 February 2012, 13:13:49
Also, McRip got you covered: http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=NKey+Rollover+-+Overview+Testing+Methodology+and+Results

RTFW! FTW!

Edit: The wikis are not as up to date as I'd expect...
Title: Tiny form factor + NO NKRO + not HHKB?
Post by: sth on Tue, 28 February 2012, 13:16:51
Quote from: REVENGE;529564
NKRO isn't the real issue, it's the controller implementation.

Thanks, I was wondering about that. I do realize that if the board doesn't specifically say NKRO over USB it should be fine, but I am trying to narrow down the list of candidates, not make the list of non-compatibles larger.

AFA the plu-m-- thanks, didn't catch that.

Quote
the RACE and PLU-ML87 are both fine for Macs

I read in the RACE preorder thread that it would not work well with OS X. Is there some newer info about that?
Title: Tiny form factor + NO NKRO + not HHKB?
Post by: fossala on Tue, 28 February 2012, 13:19:37
Why not a HHKB?
Title: Tiny form factor + NO NKRO + not HHKB?
Post by: sth on Tue, 28 February 2012, 13:22:41
Quote from: fossala;529573
Why not a HHKB?

Because I know it works with OS X ;) Also, I would like to find a board with arrow keys, but it's not an absolute necessity. Also, it's a little cost prohibitive for me right now.
Title: Tiny form factor + NO NKRO + not HHKB?
Post by: REVENGE on Tue, 28 February 2012, 13:35:51
Quote from: sth;529571
I read in the RACE preorder thread that it would not work well with OS X. Is there some newer info about that?
http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?p=30981&sid=263bd9c087c82ce530fb613283fd4121#p30981

Start from there and read the relevant posts.
Title: Tiny form factor + NO NKRO + not HHKB?
Post by: sth on Tue, 28 February 2012, 13:52:18
Quote from: REVENGE;529590
http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?p=30981&sid=263bd9c087c82ce530fb613283fd4121#p30981

Start from there and read the relevant posts.

Many thanks. I haven't been on Deskthority too much.
Title: Tiny form factor + NO NKRO + not HHKB?
Post by: Aranair on Tue, 28 February 2012, 23:07:18
mm, amasokin from that deskthority thread seems to suggest that it doesn't work on his MBP 13" but works on his imac and older version macbook pro heh. I'm not sure what happened that but it certainly could mean that it might not work on some macs, so I wouldn't call that entirely os x compatible eh?
Title: Tiny form factor + NO NKRO + not HHKB?
Post by: sth on Wed, 29 February 2012, 09:12:26
It's possible. I have an older MBP that I plan on keeping for a while; I prefer the rounded corners design to the unibody. I've seen online that people are using keyremap for mac and it seems to work, so I'll give that a try too. The RACE is too tempting...
Title: Tiny form factor + NO NKRO + not HHKB?
Post by: modulor on Wed, 29 February 2012, 12:45:35
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?27216-60-Keyboard-Pure-Layout-(ASCII) if you're trying to go small

Arrow keys over Fn...but the same size as the Poker/HHKB and it'll be compatible, and possibly remappable...but you'll have to wait until it's released.
Title: Tiny form factor + NO NKRO + not HHKB?
Post by: sth on Wed, 29 February 2012, 13:10:28
Quote from: modulor;530941
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?27216-60-Keyboard-Pure-Layout-(ASCII) if you're trying to go small

Arrow keys over Fn...but the same size as the Poker/HHKB and it'll be compatible, and possibly remappable...but you'll have to wait until it's released.

Yeah I've seen this as well, much nicer looks than the choc mini. I already PO'd a RACE but I might pick one of these up when there's a group buy.