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Title: Please define some terms: WYSE, MOOGLE, etc.
Post by: megnin on Tue, 13 March 2012, 04:44:32: Sorry for the complete noob questions. I looked for them in the Wiki, especially key cap wiki and didn't find a "list of terms" defined.

Would someone be kind enough to tell me the meaning of a few terms? From Group Buy descriptions I have an idea what keys are included in a "WYSE Set" for example (modifiers and such?) but I'm interested in where the term came from so I really understand what is being talked about.

I found this reference and assume that a "WYSE Set" is a set of keys from one of these.?
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WYSE WY60 ASCII Terminal Keyboard
Cherry MX Black, Double-Injection Molded Keycaps, 1987
The WYSE WY60 ASCII keyboard is an old terminal keyboard which originally came bundled with the WY60 series terminal computers.

Anyway here are some terms. Please add any others I may need to add to my vocabulary.

WYSE
MOOGLE

Thanks!
Title: Please define some terms: WYSE, MOOGLE, etc.
Post by: necr0mancer on Tue, 13 March 2012, 04:57:09: Not an expert myself, but I'll try my best.

WYSE - I believe WYSE is an older company from the 80s/90s that manufactured keyboards.
MOOGLE - From what I understand, a "moogle kit" is a set of key caps that complements vintage/older key caps of the same style so that they can be used on a modern keyboard. The moogle kit replicates size, color and any graphics of the vintage caps.

I'm sure other people will have more information, as I'm pretty much a newbie myself.
Title: Please define some terms: WYSE, MOOGLE, etc.
Post by: megnin on Tue, 13 March 2012, 09:04:52: Thanks. I see those as descriptions in some of the key cap Group Buys. Sometimes there are no pictures to go with the description. I don't want to miss out on a really good GB just because I didn't know what they were talking about. There is a GB that closes tomorrow for a "WYSE Moogle Set".
Title: Please define some terms: WYSE, MOOGLE, etc.
Post by: Ascaii on Tue, 13 March 2012, 09:48:39: WYSE boards used doubleshots with blue writing on light grey/dark grey caps. The moogle kits were originally the idea of moogle stiltzkin, hence the name. The WYSE moogle is aimed at letting people use their WYSE doubleshots on modern boards. Here is a picture of a WYSE board:
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=43907&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1331639129)
Title: Please define some terms: WYSE, MOOGLE, etc.
Post by: zirb on Tue, 13 March 2012, 09:59:23: Quote from: Ascaii;544449
WYSE boards used doubleshots with blue writing on light grey/dark grey caps. The moogle kits were originally the idea of moogle stiltzkin, hence the name. The WYSE moogle is aimed at letting people use their WYSE doubleshots on modern boards. Here is a picture of a WYSE board:
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=43907&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1331639129)

Here's the picture in big:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]43907[/ATTACH]
Title: Please define some terms: WYSE, MOOGLE, etc.
Post by: dorkvader on Tue, 13 March 2012, 10:08:32: Quote from: megnin;544422
Thanks. I see those as descriptions in some of the key cap Group Buys. Sometimes there are no pictures to go with the description. I don't want to miss out on a really good GB just because I didn't know what they were talking about. There is a GB that closes tomorrow for a "WYSE Moogle Set".
The WYSE moogle kit GB has a full listing of the keys included. I'm a visual person, so pictures always help me, but sometimes they aren't necessary.

What's special about the WYSE moogle kit is that there are more keys necessary. Many vintage cherry keyboards have most of the keys required for a keyboard, usually with the exception of the modifiers, and the capslock (and shift, sometimes) WYSE has really weird key widths, and we need almost all the non-alphanumeric keys.
Title: Please define some terms: WYSE, MOOGLE, etc.
Post by: zirb on Tue, 13 March 2012, 10:18:39: Comparing the windows-key, top is original Cherry Corp, bottom is Moogle:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]43930[/ATTACH]

(Moogle picture by DanGWanG)
Title: Please define some terms: WYSE, MOOGLE, etc.
Post by: zirb on Tue, 13 March 2012, 10:29:18: Quote from: ripster;544480
Well THAT's not very close. It's like Microsoft 98 versus Bob. Neither are QUITE Vista and will be soon be obsoleted by Win8.

How I hate that Win8-flag.

The old one's cool!
Title: Please define some terms: WYSE, MOOGLE, etc.
Post by: megnin on Tue, 13 March 2012, 17:04:17: Quote from: dorkvader;544470
What's special about the WYSE moogle kit is that there are more keys necessary. Many vintage cherry keyboards have most of the keys required for a keyboard, usually with the exception of the modifiers, and the capslock (and shift, sometimes) WYSE has really weird key widths, and we need almost all the non-alphanumeric keys.

So, what's a typical scenario? You buy a vintage cherry keyboard to take the caps from it to put on, say a Filco or Leopold, and because the modifiers and such from the vintage keyboard won't fit, the moogle kit is necessary to fully populate the Filco with the vintage style caps?

I'm just not at all familiar with the vintage boards and don't want to go looking for something I can't use or miss out on finding something cool that's easy to find. Thanks for all the info.
Title: Please define some terms: WYSE, MOOGLE, etc.
Post by: dorkvader on Tue, 13 March 2012, 18:22:44: Quote from: megnin;544898
So, what's a typical scenario? You buy a vintage cherry keyboard to take the caps from it to put on, say a Filco or Leopold, and because the modifiers and such from the vintage keyboard won't fit, the moogle kit is necessary to fully populate the Filco with the vintage style caps?

I'm just not at all familiar with the vintage boards and don't want to go looking for something I can't use or miss out on finding something cool that's easy to find. Thanks for all the info.
Yep, that's it exactly. The goal is to get as close a match as possible.

Sometimes the profile or height is a little off, but we are working hard to eliminate all differences.
Title: Please define some terms: WYSE, MOOGLE, etc.
Post by: megnin on Tue, 13 March 2012, 18:37:31: With that said, what are some keyboards that are worth looking for for their key caps and/or switches?

I'm thinking, not just eBay where you are likely to be outbid by anyone else looking for the same "hidden treasure", but at thrift stores where you might pick up an old keyboard for a few bucks.
Title: Please define some terms: WYSE, MOOGLE, etc.
Post by: omuerte on Wed, 14 March 2012, 02:32:40: You probably won't find many cherry boards in the US at thrift stores, they never were widely distributed here. You'll see a lot more old POS boards than standard pc keyboards. I just picked up a WYSE PCE terminal board on ebay a little while back for $35 + shipping - it's mostly complete for modern use except the bottom row, I think that's all that's missing. Maybe capslock too but I can't remember off the top of my head.
Title: Please define some terms: WYSE, MOOGLE, etc.
Post by: zirb on Wed, 14 March 2012, 03:04:25: Quote from: megnin;545029
With that said, what are some keyboards that are worth looking for for their key caps and/or switches?
[...]

Well not for WYSE, but for Cherry Doubleshots a good old Cherry G80-3000 or Cherry POS board is best. My Filco with a set:
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=40893&d=1329508772)
Pic is ISO, but modifiers, space and capslock are the same on ANSI.
Modifiers are 1.5x, space is too big and Capslock has off-center stem (see ripsters wiki). => Moogle kit

Btw: I have the ESC-key, just wanted my Zerg-Esc stay up there :p

(Link to the post of me, struggling with it ^^) (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?27440-G80-3000-with-Cherry-Doubleshots&p=517195&viewfull=1#post517195)