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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: Human on Sat, 17 March 2012, 07:48:52
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Picture stolen from China forum. If you can read Chinese go see it yourself.
http://www.waishehome.cn/viewthread.php?tid=46399&rpid=775296&ordertype=0&page=1#pid775296
(http://i.imgur.com/XrZTQ.jpg)
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Though, it(FILCO) still somehow one of Chinese favorite standard.
They SS7G-fy it(the PLU is having same dimension as FILCO TKL).
(http://i.imgur.com/W6FAR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7Oma1.jpg)
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Wow that's pretty bad. The last Filco Camo (MX Brown) I had looked atrocious. The silk screening looked as if it had been applied by someone in the midst of a full blown seizure...it was blurry and stretched. I wish I would have taken a picture of the board before getting rid of it.
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Something tells me google translate got this incorrect
"5 hair to sell me."
Unless the guy was offering to buy it for 5 hair. I didn't know hair was considered a currency over there.
Anyway, how does that hurt anything? Did it not come with the caps for those keys? I mean it looks stupid sure, but seems like a ...man I'm going to hate myself for using his words... "McRip Effect"
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Something tells me google translate got this incorrect
"5 hair to sell me."
Unless the guy was offering to buy it for 5 hair. I didn't know hair was considered a currency over there.
Anyway, how does that hurt anything? Did it not come with the caps for those keys? I mean it looks stupid sure, but seems like a ...man I'm going to hate myself for using his words... "McRip Effect"
5hairs = 50cents in context. It being a normal term for Chinese(not only in China).
Apart from that, I also learnt that they call "knife"(dāo) as dollar and "rice"(mǐ) as informal context for currency.
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Photoshop.
Probably a Chinese unpaid clone version.
Two iPad Observations:
1. Geekhack is STILL slow
2. Now I see why mobile user's pics and spelling are so bad.
That guy must be either a professional in PS or a insider from Ducky then...
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So a knife and 5 hairs is $1.50?
Do they call knives dollars and rice cents?
"I'll give you my 2 rice buddy, I'll stab you with this dollar!"
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So ripster telling everybody he's on his iPad is his new thing?
Noted.
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So a knife and 5 hairs is $1.50?
Do they call knives dollars and rice cents?
"I'll give you my 2 rice buddy, I'll stab you with this dollar!"
The knives are mostly used when the currency is USD, probably a directly translation of "dollar" to "dao". In normal practice, they either go the formal way, yuan or the informal way, rice(so far only saw from forums, not sure if they apply it in real life).
Example:
A: How much you bought your new keyboard?
B: 100knives(USD)
A: So many rices(money)? Rice people(rich people).
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Looks like photoshop to me.
You can see the from "Print Screen" the "re" part on the stem of the switch. I highly doubt pad-printing technology have gone far enough to disregard deformation of the pad from the height difference.
I'm sticking with ripster for this one.
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ＴＩＬ: 1 defect and your company is ruined
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Sending the keyboard after being fully assembled for pad-printing doesn't even make sense.
Plus Filco keys are coated after being printed on.
Coating the whole keyboard while being fully assembled?
I thought Asian were supposed to be smart.
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And wouldn't they print their keycaps in an assembly line while NOT on the switches?
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Looks like *ucky got scammed in paying someone to dumb to do some research before attempting to destroy Filco rep but lucky we have the #1 and #2 keyboard expert in the world stop dummies.
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Yeah, especially if you know how the pad printing process works.
I know how pad printing process works, but I am not fully familiar with the power of PS.
BTW, if that is a PS works, he must had did it with effort. The fonts are even lifted on the Cherry logo on the switch.
It remind me on an old quote, No Picture No Truth. But in this case it is got picture no truth.
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I'm 99.9% sure it's not photoshop. Dunno how it happend, but it looks real to me.
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Sending the keyboard after being fully assembled for pad-printing doesn't even make sense.
Plus Filco keys are coated after being printed on.
Coating the whole keyboard while being fully assembled?
I thought Asian were supposed to be smart.
It also doesn't make sense for me but random search from google show that it is indeed possible.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3408942/pneumatic_keyboard_pad_printer/
TIL that pad printing is done while keycaps on the keyboards.
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Vbulletin Image Manager under iOS sucks big time.
Under iOS, I just press and hold the image and open it up in a new tab.
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It also doesn't make sense for me but random search from google show that it is indeed possible.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3408942/pneumatic_keyboard_pad_printer/
TIL that pad printing is done while keycaps on the keyboards.
Was that an actual keyboard, or a placeholder? The keys didn't depress at all when the machine pushed down.
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Photoshop.
Probably a Chinese unpaid clone version.
Two iPad Observations:
1. Geekhack is STILL slow
2. Now I see why mobile user's pics and spelling are so bad.
BTW, do the super retina display show you the signs of PS?
Was that an actual keyboard, or a placeholder? The keys didn't depress at all when the machine pushed down.
Which part you mean?
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Which part you mean?
The "keyboard" case looked funny, and the keys looked like they were all fully recessed in the case, as if they bottomed out and stayed down. So to me it looks like that was not an actual functional keyboard, but just a plastic frame to hold the keys in place.
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Hi guys,
The picture is most likely NOT photoshoped.
I have come across many boards that have this from when the keys were printed. Many times they are printed when they are on the board.
I have also seen this on a number of other boards other than Filco.
It's not that common but certaily not as uncommon as you might think. If more of us took keys off our boards we would notice this on a some keys in random locations.
I commonly happen to find them on the bottom rows keys, like; ctr, windows, and Alt. Sometimes its very, very faint and hard to see.
I have also never found any evidence that this causes a problem of any kind.
Just thought you might like to know.
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It also doesn't make sense for me but random search from google show that it is indeed possible.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3408942/pneumatic_keyboard_pad_printer/
TIL that pad printing is done while keycaps on the keyboards.
Considering that Filco keycaps are coated to protect the pad-printing, it's not logical to spray on the coating after the keyboard is fully assembled. That pretty much rules out the possibility.
I did a quick photoshop. I'm by no mean good at photoshop but this is my pathetic attempt.
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k221/undarken/1.jpg)
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Oh I just saw the video a few posts up. I was wondering what you guys were talking about.
Anywho, in the video you didn't see the actuall printing but you saw the motions of it. The pads never touched the keyboard, it was a test run.
Pads will usually bow by design.
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Considering that Filco keycaps are coated to protect the pad-printing, it's not logical to spray on the coating after the keyboard is fully assembled. That pretty much rules out the possibility.
The pic is probably not fake. You can see that the pad print is printed on the cherry logo (ie. it curve in and out with the surface). It would be very very difficult to do such thing with photoshop.
Filco have QC problem, Ripster in denial, and blames the OP. What a surprise?
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So ripster telling everybody he's on his iPad is his new thing?
Noted.
Lol seriously I'm already over it.
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This is for sure: you will never see that crap on a Kinesis contoured keyboard.
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Probably.
But I'm 99% sure the copy of Photoshop is fake if the poster is Chinese. KeyAboo Theorem (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?28622-Ripster-s-KeyAboo-Theorem).
Possible. I mean they technically able to clone everything you can think of, and even those you never think of.
LGTFY (http://www.google.com.my/search?q=china+fake&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=Y9VkT4nvOoynrAfu4YG9Bw&biw=1600&bih=759&sei=ZtVkT-STBJDIrQe-2bS9Bw)
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All I gained from this thread was Ripster has a new toy...
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Man, AAPL is almost $600. Maybe when the new iPhone 5 comes out it'll be over $600? lol Time to sell some stocks. =D
Sorry for going off topic there but yeah, that doesn't look like photoshop to me.
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lol iPad.
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It doesn't look like Photoshop to me. If you look at the lettering the blur that affects it is the same that affects the other lettering on the keycaps. Don't know how hard it would be able to Photoshop the correct blur :P
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The correct KeyAboo Theorem (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?28622-Ripster-s-KeyAboo-Theorem) grammar is "iPad lol."
Ripster sometimes you make no sense... What is that meant to mean?
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OK
let
,s try this.
Nope.
IMage opens up but can,t copy URL OR drag for attachment.
T.hhis is Image Manager under advanced mode I,m talking.
Judging from all your typos, sounds like time to try if you can hookup a keyboard to this thing. Do you have that camera adapter?
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You try typing on this thing sometime!
It has a backspace button, you know.
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I,m a big fan of delete personally.
Is that why you aren't using it? Are you trying to keep it in pristine condition? After all, it is just pad-printed.
Sent from my mom's iPad
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It's actually not labelled, so it could be either. I can't figure out how to upload a picture, though.
Sent from my mom's iPad
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The iPad's "keycaps" are kinda nice looking though. I wonder how a set of dyesubs with iPad legends would look
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I don't appreciate that either. You can never be "too gay". The sky's the limit for gayness.
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You can never be "too gay". Your imagination is the only limit to your homosexuality.
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Considering that Filco keycaps are coated to protect the pad-printing, it's not logical to spray on the coating after the keyboard is fully assembled. That pretty much rules out the possibility.
I am semi sure the caps on the Multicam are not UV coated.
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The Multicam is actually comes with lasered keycaps, thus ruling out pad-printing and proving that it's a scam.
Evidence supporting my claim:
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k221/undarken/random/Lasered_1.jpg)
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k221/undarken/random/Lasered_2.jpg)
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k221/undarken/random/Lasered_3.jpg)
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I totally forgot the lasered part. Now looking at it closely, it seems my Ninja caps does look like it uses the same technique for the legend.
on the original picture: May be the guy took it somewhere to get his blank caps pad printed.
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I don't have a macro that fits on my only digicam.
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Back to square one it seems...
Looks like then is more than one generation of Multicam...
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Could it be laser engraved and filled?
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Feels like lasered.
Looks like lasered.
Pretty sure it's lasered with infill.
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http://www.fontyukle.net/en/FuturaExtended.ttf <- Seems like a decent free futura font.
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Not mine. No frigging way.
Geez, nobody believes me so I have to take pics all the time:
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I'd preferred it with pad-printing. Laser are not my thing.
Yup this thread getting pointless. I wish someone would lock it.
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SO apart from the "rare" mistake when manufacturing, whats the conclusion?
The new FILCO is PAD-PRINTED or LASERED?
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My new Filco Camo keys look like laffindude's keys and not ripsters.
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SO apart from the "rare" mistake when manufacturing, whats the conclusion?
The new FILCO is PAD-PRINTED or LASERED?
I got my Filco Multicam much later than the others. Probably, the newer Multicam came lasered.
Let's wait till the newer Filco with red switches is released to see if Filco did indeed changed from pad-printing to lasered.
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^Flip your board over and look at the serial. It should tell you year and month when it is made. Mine is made in August last year.
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^Flip your board over and look at the serial. It should tell you year and month when it is made. Mine is made in August last year.
Ditto. August 2011 on my serial number too.
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This video (http://www.chinashian.com/products/computerkeyboardpadprinter_297.html) does show a keyboard with blank keys being pad printed. Make of it what you will.
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Yeah, because that's IS how it's normally done.
Hence, why isn't the phenomena in the original image possible?
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I find starting your sentence with HENCE rather pretentious.
I find your observation rather pretentious but whoop-de-do.
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Hence, why isn't the phenomena in the original image possible?
Nope, the pad is probably not flexible enough to print the lettering so well and disregard the height difference.
Even if it can, the flexing/compression/depression of the pad would have cause deformation/smudging.
So technical there's more chance that it's a photoshop that real.
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Vbulletin Image Manager under iOS sucks big time.
http://i.imgur.com/eR96r.jpg (Attachment) 44556[/ATTACH]
It's like beating a dead centaur with this Vbulletin / iOS stuff.