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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: FerretBuster on Tue, 20 March 2012, 14:28:15
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Just got my blues, thinking I would love them.
In short I didn't, the noise is way too high pitched (not what it sounded like when I tried them out in pcworld) and they are a little too heavy and 'jarring' for my liking.
BROWNS FTW!
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Good for you.
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Just got my blues, thinking I would love them.
In short I didn't, the noise is way too high pitched (not what it sounded like when I tried them out in pcworld) and they are a little to heavy and 'jarring' for my liking.
BROWNS FTW!
I have very big hands and I like a keyboard that can handle powerful finger strokes; one that is unashamedly loud and bumps back on your finger with great vigor. The high-pitched sound reminds me of the cute and nostalgic clicking of lego pieces. I considered browns for a while before recognizing that preference of mine. I would probably try Alps next.
I have never trier other MX switches, but I have used a buckling spring keyboard for several years. I think I still prefer buckling spring, but my Noppoo Choc Mini with blues is an excellent companion on the road.
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I find that keyboard feel can be difficult to judge properly unless the keyboard is at about the right height for typing.
I am not too happy about the click noise either, but I find the tactile feel to be superior.
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I thought you were missing a word from your title.
Anywho, try out some O-rings on them, I found that they silenced the highest sounds some amount.
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Agreed about o-rings...I like blues much better with them.
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Good for you.
I could not have said it better myself.
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Hehe, I'm afraid I dislike the general sound of the click, I don't mind the bottoming out noises :)
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Personal preference /thread
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You're not alone! Many hates MX Blue too. Myself included (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?24122-Blues-sux).
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Isn't it WEIRD how different people like different things? TOTALLY FASCINATING
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Same reason why people hate on Cherry blacks? Personal preference seems like that's what it's all about.
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I only use blues for work because of heavy typing and to annoy my Co workers.
The click clack cadence is very pleasing. I compare it to the sound of flesh smacking during sex. It lets me know that I'm putting in work.
I use browns at home for gaming. Any time I have to type anything in game the thud sound breaks my heart a little bit.
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Does this sentence reference itself?
In other news: This is akin to a size 12 shoe person asking a size 8 shoe person "how CAN you like size 8 shoes?"
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I jumped for blues after not really enjoying typing on reds (I was bottoming out way too much for it to be enjoyable). I think after having blues for a while I am much more adept with the reds. I think blues can grow on people the clicking however well that probably won't.
As for the sounding different it just has to do a lot with the surroundings, anyway the click certainly is nice feedback for typing.
But if you aren't happy perhaps you should return or sell the board..
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But if you aren't happy perhaps you should return or sell the board..
Yep, looks like I am going to return it. Unless someone can give me their soul for it. (must be a pirate soul)
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Blues are a great example of modern day mechanical switch. They're tactile and loud. They have personality and arguably the most iconic of all cherry switches. Who knows if that's because they're in so many big manufactured boards (CM Storms, DAS, etc)
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Brown > blue.
Yup.
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Don't try topre. Browns feel like **** afterwards.
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Don't try topre. Browns feel like **** afterwards.
I wasn't going too :D Browns feel like epicness (like chocolate being poured into your mouth that never makes you full and tastes like the stuff in the center of these (http://www.balloonking.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/5/9/599lindt_lindor_milk_chocolate_truffles_200g.jpg)) after trying blues ;)
Yup.
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I wasn't going too :D Browns feel like epicness (like chocolate being poured into your mouth that never makes you full and tastes like the stuff in the center of these (http://www.balloonking.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/5/9/599lindt_lindor_milk_chocolate_truffles_200g.jpg)) after trying blues ;)
Yup.
MX-Brown's **** like its stem color. MX-Blue feels like flying through the sky, fvcking awesome.
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I thought browns felt disgusting. I do <3 my blues and clears, however.
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Anywho, try out some O-rings on them ...
What other shape rings are there? It's like "4 am in the morning (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sazsOTu5Qc)", as opposed to 4 am in the afternoon.
I'm really hit and miss about both the sound and feel of blues. Sometimes they're as much typing on air as browns, other times they're stiff and jarring like XM. Same keyboard.
Finding good sound and good feel in the same keyboard is hard. Dell AT102W has a pretty good "serious" sound, but the switches are a bit rubbish. Fukka clicky switches have a great feel, but they wake the dead.
Blue Cherries? Hm .....
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Agreed about o-rings...I like blues much better with them.
I'm sure the o-rings would silence the noise from MX blue, but do they still feel like MX blues? I meant, without the click sound, MX blue would be like...... something I never know. :shocked:
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Blues sound nice through earphones, which cut out the really tinny frequencies, and it sounds great that way.
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40a o-rings on blues just dampen the bottoming out and cause a tiny bit more resistance (but also only truly felt when you bottom out).
Still have plenty of that lovable click!
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IBM Model M is the winner EVERY TIME. I'd take a Model M over ANY Cherry based board, every single time. AT102W is a close second to the IBM, but as I am typing on the only replica there is of a genuine IBM - the Unicomp, I have to tell you nothing compares to PROPER keyboards, made in the good old fashioned bombproof way, with PROPER loud, tactile feedback.
They're not called the best keyboard for nothing. The older devices are better because they weren't attempting to be sleek or hipster or "geek chic", or any of that pretentious drivel - they were built WELL, to do a job WELL, and to survive WELL. As fashion (supposedly) moves forward, common sense and well thought-out design principles move backward. Machines used to built to survive and do something to the best that they could, because the designers were PROPER engineers, and the companies that hired them were extremely proud and very serious indeed about building a product that lasted, not half-distracted on the next badly thought out, flimsy junk they will be producing next year, whilst still half way through the current design process.
You often hear the age old phrase "quality is more important than quantity"; sorry, have companies suddenly lost all interest in their reputation? Marketing means nothing, when your flimsy disposable junk belies the sales hype & empty promises you push at people.
They say that computers are "advancing"... show me an example, it's an illusion.
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IBM Model M is the winner EVERY TIME. I'd take a Model M over ANY Cherry based board, every single time. AT102W is a close second to the IBM, but as I am typing on the only replica there is of a genuine IBM - the Unicomp, I have to tell you nothing compares to PROPER keyboards, made in the good old fashioned bombproof way, with PROPER loud, tactile feedback.
They're not called the best keyboard for nothing. The older devices are better because they weren't attempting to be sleek or hipster or "geek chic", or any of that pretentious drivel - they were built WELL, to do a job WELL, and to survive WELL. As fashion (supposedly) moves forward, common sense and well thought-out design principles move backward. Machines used to built to survive and do something to the best that they could, because the designers were PROPER engineers, and the companies that hired them were extremely proud and very serious indeed about building a product that lasted, not half-distracted on the next badly thought out, flimsy junk they will be producing next year, whilst still half way through the current design process.
You often hear the age old phrase "quality is more important than quantity"; sorry, have companies suddenly lost all interest in their reputation? Marketing means nothing, when your flimsy disposable junk belies the sales hype & empty promises you push at people.
They say that computers are "advancing"... show me an example, it's an illusion.
lol wrong.
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lol wrong.
Your point of failure is that it's not "wrong" or "right", it is merely my opinion, not a competition for who is right.
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I thought browns felt disgusting. I do <3 my blues and clears, however.
The browns feel like wearing a condom, whereas Blues is like Going in Bareback.
//Koolaid Man: "Oh, Yeahhh...."
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Machines used to built to survive and do something to the best that they could, because the designers were PROPER engineers, and the companies that hired them were extremely proud and very serious indeed about building a product that lasted … have companies suddenly lost all interest in their reputation?
I hope you don't include the IBM Personal Computer family in here. Great keyboards, but pathetic computers. IBM were already cost cutting on keyboards by the Model M, but a Model F less cost cutting is still good. The original Macintosh was pretty awful too, albeit very understandably (at least they tried; IBM opted for DOS, which must be one of the all-time lows of the IT industry), but Apple rectified the hardware bigtime with the Macintosh II. IBM's best effort was identical mouse and keyboard connectors that weren't interchangeable. I thought I'd killed someone's PS/2 until I realised I'd plugged the keyboard into the wrong socket; the BIOS had rewarded me with a meaningless number and an unbootable computer. (If the plug fits, it should work, dammit!)
Acorn on the other hand … Hell, it's Acorn that gave us the ARM CPU that everything mobile now runs on.
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I've only tried Browns and I'm having trouble deciding between Blues or Browns for my Filco. Also, I wonder if I'd miss a numpad having a tenkeyless. Does this mean that you'll be keeping your Filco with Browns or is it still for sale? But anyway, as others have said it's personal preference really. Wish I could afford to buy both at the same time. :/
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"Brown is better than Blue. Yup. I'm the only one qualified to distinguish truth from falsehood. Yup. Keyboard switch is not a subjective choice based on preference, it's an objective, generalizeable fact. Yup. Yup."
****ing hell, OP. I regret taking you seriously.
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"Brown is better than Blue. Yup. I'm the only one qualified to distinguish truth from falsehood. Yup. Keyboard switch is not a subjective choice based on preference, it's an objective, generalizeable fact. Yup. Yup."
****ing hell, OP. I regret taking you seriously.
go visit tp4tissue's thread and stop taking him seriously too.
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I only use blues for work because of heavy typing and to annoy my Co workers.
The click clack cadence is very pleasing. I compare it to the sound of flesh smacking during sex. It lets me know that I'm putting in work.I use browns at home for gaming. Any time I have to type anything in game the thud sound breaks my heart a little bit.
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Win, pure win.
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I use a typewriter in my office! Woot!
An IBM Selectric II in fact.
=D
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Wth is wrong with you geekhack. A guy did the same with cherry browns and no one complained (the thread's even 10 pages long), now it's about cherry blues and everyone wants to kill the OP.
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I think we should all go play mars matrix. Enough of this bickering.
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Wth is wrong with you geekhack. A guy did the same with cherry browns and no one complained (the thread's even 10 pages long), now it's about cherry blues and everyone wants to kill the OP.
because op is obviously wrong
now where are the sarcasm tags
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because op is obviously wrong
now where are the sarcasm tags
Totally, epic wrong,, MX blue is the closest thing to having sex with a keyboard. Oh yea, the tactile sensation ,, mmmm hmmm... boun chiga chiga boun chiga chiga
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Wth is wrong with you geekhack. A guy did the same with cherry browns and no one complained (the thread's even 10 pages long), now it's about cherry blues and everyone wants to kill the OP.
Brown sux,, it just wish it were blue.
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Sorry guys I was bored... But seriously, I just found the blue's impractical - in my opinion.
I wonder if I'd miss a numpad having a tenkeyless.
Here's my 2 cents, tenkeyless is cool, but it is not that big of a deal - if you think you might need the numpad, just get a board with it.
Does this mean that you'll be keeping your Filco with Browns or is it still for sale?
I think I'm going to keep it for now, I apologise if I have caused any inconvenience :/
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How can you like blues?
How can you like browns?
They feel like **** to me. Pretty much a wannabe blue and a wanna be red mixed together. And btw, how can you like that avatar? :p
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Sorry guys I was bored... But seriously, I just found the blue's impractical - in my opinion.
Here's my 2 cents, tenkeyless is cool, but it is not that big of a deal - if you think you might need the numpad, just get a board with it.
I think I'm going to keep it for now, I apologise if I have caused any inconvenience :/
Nope, not at all.
Now, I need to decide if I get the browns or blues. Geekhack really doesn't help, because it's just one thread where everyone goes "wtf is wrong with you, blues are the best" and then another where everyone says browns are the best thing since sliced bread.
I might just get browns because I've used them and liked them, but part of me thinks "WHAT IF BLUES REALLY ARE PERFECT"
:/
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Well, I got my first brown board today. Its funny, you can feel the tactile part, but its very much less tactile feel than blues, perhaps partly due to the noise. I couldnt decide, so I had to buy one of each and lets just say, this brown board aint gonna gather dust in the corner for a while. Me likey.
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The browns feel like wearing a condom, whereas Blues is like Going in Bareback.
//Koolaid Man: "Oh, Yeahhh...."
Never thought of it this way, but not far from the truth for those who love the blue Cherries.
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The click clack cadence is very pleasing. I compare it to the sound of flesh smacking during sex. It lets me know that I'm putting in work.
I love that. Flesh smacking during SEX. Brilliant.
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Nope, not at all.
Now, I need to decide if I get the browns or blues. Geekhack really doesn't help, because it's just one thread where everyone goes "wtf is wrong with you, blues are the best" and then another where everyone says browns are the best thing since sliced bread.
I might just get browns because I've used them and liked them, but part of me thinks "WHAT IF BLUES REALLY ARE PERFECT"
:/
No what if, they are perfect.
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No what if, they are perfect.
The eternal question that leads to trying more keyboards.
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Nope, not at all.
Now, I need to decide if I get the browns or blues. Geekhack really doesn't help, because it's just one thread where everyone goes "wtf is wrong with you, blues are the best" and then another where everyone says browns are the best thing since sliced bread.
I might just get browns because I've used them and liked them, but part of me thinks "WHAT IF BLUES REALLY ARE PERFECT"
:/
Let me put it like this, blues don't feel the way they sound like on paper. The small difference in weight is actually very noticeable - at least for me. Also the tactility gives a 'jarring' effect, when typing (again IMHO). I find this OK when typing in short bursts for a few minutes, but any longer and it becomes uncomfortable. Also I find the browns brilliant for gaming, I play team fortress 2, css and other fps titles often. I find the browns especially useful when double jumping as the scout - I can ride the tactile bump to time my jump perfectly.
In my opinion, I would stick with browns and then see if you can find a way to try out blues for a decent period of time (Another error I made... I tested out the switches at my local pcworld, thought I liked them... And obviously after ordering I didn't...).
Finally something worth noting is the noise, I thought I wouldn't care as stuff like that doesn't usually bother me. But the blues did, they are just so high pitched that they interfere with anything you're doing.
It's all a matter of opinion, but if you're happy with one board, I would recommend sticking with that until you get a chance to buy/try out the other :)
As well as this these analogies being thrown around about blues being the manlier switch or whatever you guys are insinuating, are just ridiculous. If I were to put it into an analogy, the blues would be like the training wheels (stabilisers) on a bike, then once you can use the bike without these (i.e. the sound and the heavy tactility) you can type just as fast, but you're hands don't get destroyed in the process :D Browns are called 'ergonomic switches' by cherry for a reason.
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Let me put it like this, blues don't feel the way they sound like on paper. The small difference in weight is actually very noticeable - at least for me. Also the tactility gives a 'jarring' effect, when typing (again IMHO). I find this OK when typing in short bursts for a few minutes, but any longer and it becomes uncomfortable. Also I find the browns brilliant for gaming, I play team fortress 2, css and other fps titles often. I find the browns especially useful when double jumping as the scout - I can ride the tactile bump to time my jump perfectly.
In my opinion, I would stick with browns and then see if you can find a way to try out blues for a decent period of time (Another error I made... I tested out the switches at my local pcworld, thought I liked them... And obviously after ordering I didn't...).
Finally something worth noting is the noise, I thought I wouldn't care as stuff like that doesn't usually bother me. But the blues did, they are just so high pitched that they interfere with anything you're doing.
It's all a matter of opinion, but if you're happy with one board I would recommend sticking with that until you get a chance to buy/try out the other :)
As well as this these analogies being thrown around about blues being the manlier switch or whatever you guys are insinuating, are just ridiculous. If I were to put it into an analogy, the blues would be like the training wheels (stabilisers) on a bike, then once you can use the bike without these (i.e. the sound and the heavy tactility) you can type just as fast, but you're hands don't get destroyed in the process :D Browns are called 'ergonomic switches' by cherry for a reason.
Right, thanks for the info.
I'm going to buy the same board you have from thekeyboardco (the one with browns, in case it wasn't obvious). Well, as soon as PayPal bother to give me my money.
I was thinking that I might head down to PC World to try one out too, but you're probably right that I wouldn't be able to form a proper opinion on them from that.
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One word: Physics.
I gotta write this up in a wiki someday......
Already been done http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics
Lol.
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I love that. Flesh smacking during SEX. Brilliant.
Since I type 600 characters per minute.. Could you imagine 600 sex smacks per minute,, that's 10 persecond.. OMFG fastttttt:target:
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Since I type 600 characters per minute.. Could you imagine 600 sex smacks per minute,, that's 10 persecond.. OMFG fastttttt
Don't hold back...
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Could you imagine
Judging by the way you post about women, that's probably about all you're doing.
HIYOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Judging by the way you post about women, that's probably about all you're doing.
HIYOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
BURN.
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Judging by the way you post about women, that's probably about all you're doing.
HIYOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
This just made my day.
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Judging by the way you post about women, that's probably about all you're doing.
HIYOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
LOL, I do have a fantastic imagination.
u guys and ur silly avatars, i'm imagining you guy imagining,, anime chicks righ?
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LOL, I do have a fantastic imagination.
u guys and ur silly avatars, i'm imagining you guy imagining,, anime chicks righ?
Didn't your mother ever tell you it's not nice to make assumptions?
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per minute,, that's 10
imagining,, anime chicks righ?
Do you have a problem with your right hands middle finger? You seem to double tap the comma...
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Do you have a problem with your right hands middle finger? You seem to double tap the comma...
He does this a lot, 90% of the time all forms of punctuation are doubled (semicolons and apostrophes even!). Sometimes they're even triple!
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Do you have a problem with your right hands middle finger? You seem to double tap the comma...
no,,, it's just a thing I do,, Comma represents a pause, ,, I type on forums like i would a conversation,,, so multiple commas is a slightly longer pause between typing the next phrases,, ,, ,,,,,,, ,,
But all this is typed @ 90% speed,,, so ,, each comma represents, about 0.12 second pause
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He does this a lot, 90% of the time all forms of punctuation are doubled (semicolons and apostrophes even!). Sometimes they're even triple!
I like anime,, watch them all the time,,,, though I've never been able to get into the school-drama themed ones, despite numerous attempts
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no,,, it's just a thing I do,, Comma represents a pause, ,, I type on forums like i would a conversation,,, so multiple commas is a slightly longer pause between typing the next phrases,, ,, ,,,,,,, ,,
But all this is typed @ 90% speed,,, so ,, each comma represents, about 0.12 second pause
This is highly illogical. It's just a pain to read, frankly.
The joy of reading written language is that you can read at your own pace, not adjust to the speeds of others.
I like anime,, watch them all the time,,,, though I've never been able to get into the school-drama themed ones, despite numerous attempts
And not all of us watch anime, so take care where you point your assumptions.
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This is highly illogical. It's just a pain to read, frankly.
The joy of reading written language is that you can read at your own pace, not adjust to the speeds of others.
And not all of us watch anime, so take care where you point your assumptions.
Righh.... so why are you adjusting your own pace to the pace of others?? You chose this,, not me,.,,, I just put in some spacing,,
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no,,, it's just a thing I do,, Comma represents a pause, ,, I type on forums like i would a conversation,,, so multiple commas is a slightly longer pause between typing the next phrases,, ,, ,,,,,,, ,,
But all this is typed @ 90% speed,,, so ,, each comma represents, about 0.12 second pause
Haha, that's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
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It makes your text hard to read, simple as that. It's annoying and serves no purpose. You shouldn't need to add commas to iterate how you talk; you KNOW how you talk and you can read it like that after it's typed.
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It makes your text hard to read, simple as that. It's annoying and serves no purpose. You shouldn't need to add commas to iterate how you talk; you KNOW how you talk and you can read it like that after it's typed.
sigh,,,,,,,, fine, just for you.
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Haha, that's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
It may or may not be adhd,,, schizophrenia,, some version of an "impusle control disorder",, like Trichotillomania
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It may or may not be adhd,,, schizophrenia,, some version of an "impusle control disorder",, like Trichotillomania
Just give up, I think your post count is boosted enough.
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Just give up, I think your post count is boosted enough.
ur just mad cuz ur filco brown isn't up to snuff'
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This forum should be renamed "geekhangups.org" as all you guys ever seem to do is bicker and pick fault, and it's pretty depressing reading tbh. Can't you just hold your tongues and be kind?
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This forum should be renamed "geekhangups.org" as all you guys ever seem to do is bicker and pick fault, and it's pretty depressing reading tbh. Can't you just hold your tongues and be kind?
Not when there's these mole guys trollin' about mx-browns being superior to the almighty mx-blues.
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Not when there's these mole guys trollin' about mx-browns being superior to the almighty mx-blues.
It's not a mole, it's a pig mole. And his name is Boota.
And just so you don't get too carried away, I was just kidding around saying that browns are superior to blues. It is just a matter of opinion. (do I even have to say that???)
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It's not a mole, it's a pig mole. And his name is Boota.
And just so you don't get too carried away, I was just kidding around saying that browns are superior to blues. It is just a matter of opinion. (do I even have to say that???)
I'll forgive you, if you stick to an mx-blue keyboard, and retire ur mx-brown,
Just trying to make the world a better place, I am.
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Grow up.
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This is one of the coolest forums on the internet, bar-none.
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Grow up.
I thought you thought I was 47
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I thought you thought I was 47
...What?
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...What?
indeed!!
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indeed!!
I could easily tell you're not 47, my "what?" indicated confusion on how you came to the conclusion that age == maturity.
It's not rocket science.
Grow up or don't post, simple as that.
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I could easily tell you're not 47, my "what?" indicated confusion on how you came to the conclusion that age == maturity.
It's not rocket science.
Grow up or don't post, simple as that.
seems like you're the one stuck in an infinite loop
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Argumentum ad ignorantiam, argumentum ad lapidem.
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blues are so awesome. my main kbd
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Argumentum ad ignorantiam, argumentum ad lapidem.
so wha, you think latin makes you sound smart??
I don't get the appeal. Who are you trying to impress.
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I think blues are great, but I could do with them being a little bit heavier.
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I think blues are great, but I could do with them being a little bit heavier.
put black springs in them.
Or get white springs..
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I've been considering clear springs.
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so wha, you think latin makes you sound smart??
I don't get the appeal. Who are you trying to impress.
Excuse me? I don't say that to sound smart. They're common sayings, easily defined on Wikipedia. If I was trying to sound smart, why would I use common terms? Would that not be counter-intuitive?
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I think blues are great, but I could do with them being a little bit heavier.
Well, reds have gone from a gimmick to widespread adoption, so all we need to do next is to get companies to start shipping Cherry green keyboards ...