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Title: WYSE PCE 840358-01 keyboards....
Post by: shawn o on Tue, 20 March 2012, 20:44:40: Great deal on ebay for keyboard with doubleshots. I think? Just picked one up. Hopefully they are doubleshots and the keys aren't too faded or worn. Will try the peroxide soak if they are discolored.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PCE-Keyboard-WYSE-840358-01-/330705266496?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cff91e740
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Post by: bavman on Tue, 20 March 2012, 20:55:51: Definitely double-shot
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Post by: dorkvader on Tue, 20 March 2012, 21:20:28: oh HELL yeah.

I like WYSE, and the price is right. My moogle kits will work out!

Now to order 1 or two.
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Post by: wompwomp on Wed, 21 March 2012, 02:15:33: Are these the THICK wyse keycaps?
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Post by: Tarkoon on Wed, 21 March 2012, 04:47:28: I love these boards!
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Post by: robat on Wed, 21 March 2012, 05:43:24: Quote from: wompwomp;552220
Are these the THICK wyse keycaps?

I just received two of these from that seller and they are the thin keycaps. They are definitely going to require a good cleaning. They both have paint on some keys.
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Post by: Findecanor on Wed, 21 March 2012, 06:01:43: Quote from: wompwomp;552220
Are these the THICK wyse keycaps?
No. The thick key caps are on the Wyse ASCII terminal keyboards.
On the other hand, more key caps on this keyboard are compatible with a modern keyboard.

BTW, These PCE keyboards are not PC-compatible. They work on terminals only.
I have heard that the case in this keyboard is really well made, supposedly even better made than in the PC-compatible PCE keyboards (flat above the function keys).
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Post by: sth on Wed, 21 March 2012, 10:11:30: Bazinga.

Or whatever. I'm just happy my WYSE moogles will have some company.
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Post by: ed_avis on Wed, 21 March 2012, 10:51:52: The seller also has a few IBM Selectric typewriters for sale.
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Post by: dorkvader on Wed, 21 March 2012, 13:41:43: Quote from: ed_avis;552481
The seller also has a few IBM Selectric typewriters for sale.

Good prices, but the fact that none work is off-putting.

I have a spare correcting selectric II that I don't want, but won't it cost $40+ to ship?
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Post by: shawn o on Wed, 21 March 2012, 14:21:20: Wow, guess we cleaned him out!

I bought last night and got tracking from the seller already.
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Post by: Quarzac on Wed, 21 March 2012, 15:28:29: I just got mine. The caps were a little yellowed, but I'm gonna try to retrobrite them. The paint or whatnot came off with a dental tab soak.
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Post by: sth on Wed, 21 March 2012, 15:30:19: Quote from: Quarzac;552780
I just got mine. The caps were a little yellowed, but I'm gonna try to retrobrite them. The paint or whatnot came off with a dental tab soak.
Please post pictures if you do! I'll pick up some retrobrite if it goes well.
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Post by: AKIMbO on Wed, 21 March 2012, 15:58:50: Quote from: sth;552781
Please post pictures if you do! I'll pick up some retrobrite if it goes well.

Request x2...mine shipped today and I'm curious the condition yours was in upon arrival.
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Post by: shawn o on Wed, 21 March 2012, 17:37:28: Soak in 6% hydrogen peroxide?
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Post by: AKIMbO on Wed, 21 March 2012, 19:20:08: Quote from: shawn o;552891
Soak in 6% hydrogen peroxide?

12% hydrogen peroxide and leave in the sun light.
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Post by: Quarzac on Wed, 21 March 2012, 19:48:40: Alright, I took a couple pictures.
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One had the flash accidentally go off. It looks kinda spooky.
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Post by: dorkvader on Wed, 21 March 2012, 20:58:25: Those don't look that yellowed to me.
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My extremely yellowed set, I got some 3% H2O2 at the store, and boiled it down to ~12%, then added liquid oxyclean, and left it under our kitchen fluorescent light for a week.

I was very happy with the result, though they're now a little whiter than they should be, and the blue is a little paler, it's pretty excellent.
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Post by: Quarzac on Wed, 21 March 2012, 21:53:03: They're not terribly yellowed at all. The undersides are lighter though. I wish the blue was more blue. It just looks like black in my room.
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Post by: bavman on Wed, 21 March 2012, 23:39:20: Looks like you got a nice set quarzac, doesn't seem to have any shine at all
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Post by: Quarzac on Thu, 22 March 2012, 00:08:46: It pays to send the seller a message sometimes! At the very least it won't do any harm.
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Post by: noGG on Tue, 27 March 2012, 23:50:35: I kind of a bad set, unfortunately. :( I don't have access to a good enough camera to show the defects properly but a lot of the keycaps had what seemed like some sort of paint that is really hard to get off. It kinda looks like dyesub printed weird stains on some of them. =/ Also, I have a REALLY odd problem with the bottom arrow key. On my Leopold FC200R it always falls off the bottom arrow switch, but if I put it anywhere else or if I put a key cap in that switch it's perfectly fine. Anyone know a good way to clean the stains and deal with the bottom arrow key problem?
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Post by: robat on Wed, 28 March 2012, 08:12:35: Quote from: noGG;558834
I kind of a bad set, unfortunately. :( I don't have access to a good enough camera to show the defects properly but a lot of the keycaps had what seemed like some sort of paint that is really hard to get off. It kinda looks like dyesub printed weird stains on some of them. =/ Also, I have a REALLY odd problem with the bottom arrow key. On my Leopold FC200R it always falls off the bottom arrow switch, but if I put it anywhere else or if I put a key cap in that switch it's perfectly fine. Anyone know a good way to clean the stains and deal with the bottom arrow key problem?

One of the two i received had the same problems with the paint on the keys. I gave the keys a warm bath and then used a toothpick to scrape the paint off. On one key the paint appears to have etched the key. Luckily it was from the number pad. The second keyboard was dusty but the keys were in near perfect condition.
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Post by: 500_pts on Wed, 28 March 2012, 13:57:52: just ordered 2 of them for hazeluff and myself, will post pics when i receive them and clean them.
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Post by: akerasi on Wed, 28 March 2012, 14:05:21: Ordered myself one... will also post pics after receiving/cleaning it up.
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Post by: shawn o on Wed, 28 March 2012, 14:41:25: Got mine today, no shine on any keys! The one key is oddly yellow though. Is the 12% Hydrogen Peroxide the best way to fix it?

(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/mn_pikey/179a5d0c.jpg)
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Post by: MyNameIsFinn on Wed, 28 March 2012, 15:42:24: Just bought one, now to buy some WYSE Moogle Keys
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Post by: AKIMbO on Wed, 28 March 2012, 15:46:24: Quote from: shawn o;559507
Got mine today, no shine on any keys! The one key is oddly yellow though. Is the 12% Hydrogen Peroxide the best way to fix it?

Show Image
(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/mn_pikey/179a5d0c.jpg)

Wow yours is in excellent condition compared to the one I received. Mine was so freaking yellow...thank god I only got it for the dark grey keys.
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Post by: 500_pts on Wed, 28 March 2012, 16:01:00: Quote from: MyNameIsFinn;559554
Just bought one, now to buy some WYSE Moogle Keys

i think the wyse moogle kit gb got closed like ten days ago, let me know if you find out otherwise, because i will need some :P
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Post by: robat on Wed, 28 March 2012, 16:56:24: Quote from: 500_pts;559579
i think the wyse moogle kit gb got closed like ten days ago, let me know if you find out otherwise, because i will need some :P

I think the moogle kit GB is in a holding pattern. PM the organizer. He might still be taking orders since he has not put the order in yet.
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Post by: sth on Wed, 28 March 2012, 17:58:46: Just got mine today - hello yellow. Relatively little paint though!
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Post by: shawn o on Wed, 28 March 2012, 20:13:26: Got some 30% H2O2 today at the beauty supply store. They even had 40% but I decided against that. Mixed some up on a glass jar with just a bit of Oxy Clean.

Is this the right approach? Left it out in the sun this evening for about an hour and noticed a bit of whitening already. Should I remove the cap and do it again tomorrow in the sun or could I just let it soak overnight indoors?
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Post by: dorkvader on Thu, 29 March 2012, 00:21:33: Be careful removing them. Peroxide DOES burn. I went with a little lower percentage (and much longer time). Maybe pour home H2O into it and let it sit overnight? I had mine near the only fluorescent light in the apartment (in a jar) for a week.
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Post by: shawn o on Thu, 29 March 2012, 17:04:31: Before: (` and ~ key)

(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/mn_pikey/179a5d0c.jpg)

Same key after overnight soak!

(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/mn_pikey/26364901.jpg)

Soaking them all now just to clean em up!
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Post by: sth on Thu, 29 March 2012, 17:17:01: Nice, that turned out great. I think I'll soak mine again, overnight instead of for an hour or so.
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Post by: AKIMbO on Thu, 29 March 2012, 17:23:09: Did you leave it out in the sun or just soaked it in hydrogen peroxide?
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Post by: sth on Thu, 29 March 2012, 17:24:08: Quote from: AKIMbO;560834
Did you leave it out in the sun or just soaked it in hydrogen peroxide?
In the sun, but I didn't have much hydrogen peroxide so they were all in a jar. Also didn't have much direct sunlight available by the time I got home...
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Post by: AKIMbO on Thu, 29 March 2012, 17:25:34: Quote from: sth;560835
In the sun, but I didn't have much hydrogen peroxide so they were all in a jar. Also didn't have much direct sunlight available by the time I got home...

Lol...I was asking shawn o.
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Post by: sth on Thu, 29 March 2012, 17:26:13: Haha, gotcha. Assuming they weren't in the sun as he said he soaked them overnight.
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Post by: shawn o on Thu, 29 March 2012, 17:31:23: I had it in the sun today while I was at work but mainly overnight in the garage in the dark. I don't think the sun does anything other than heat the solution maybe?
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Post by: dorkvader on Fri, 30 March 2012, 14:16:58: Mine arrived friday: slightly yellowed, but no paint or anything. I'll have to buy some H2O2 later :p

I'm out of town, but pictures will be forthcoming if I remember when I get back.

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Edit: I am pretty sure putting it in the sun is for getting more UV radiation, which I assume speeds the reaction (That's also the reason to put it under a fluorescent light.)

I'm not sure if this is actually the case, though.
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Post by: sth on Fri, 30 March 2012, 14:23:18: Yeah, I soaked mine overnight. There was a little change but not a dramatic difference. I'll try and do them in a large bowl in the sun this weekend... but for now the shiny mint-condition caps from demik look VERY nice on my leopold :)
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Post by: Internetlad on Fri, 30 March 2012, 14:53:15: Quote from: dorkvader;561758
I am pretty sure putting it in the sun is for getting more UV radiation, which I assume speeds the reaction (That's also the reason to put it under a fluorescent light.)

I'm not sure if this is actually the case, though.

I remember reading a write up from the "creators" of retr0brite and it had said that indeed, the UV Radiation causes the yellowing in the first place and, for some reason, also removes the yellowing effect when mixed with the retr0brite/Hydrogen peroxide.
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Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 01 April 2012, 01:04:36: I'm certain it's some crazy chemical thing. I understand the reason the UV causes hardening and yellowing of the polymer in the first place, but I certainly don't have enough chemistry knowlege to understand why it works for the bleaching process.
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Post by: poxeclipse on Mon, 02 April 2012, 17:31:47: Quote from: noGG;558834
I kind of a bad set, unfortunately. :( I don't have access to a good enough camera to show the defects properly but a lot of the keycaps had what seemed like some sort of paint that is really hard to get off. It kinda looks like dyesub printed weird stains on some of them. =/ Also, I have a REALLY odd problem with the bottom arrow key. On my Leopold FC200R it always falls off the bottom arrow switch, but if I put it anywhere else or if I put a key cap in that switch it's perfectly fine. Anyone know a good way to clean the stains and deal with the bottom arrow key problem?
For paint, try some isopropyl alcohol, 50%. Just keep rubbing the keycap. Be careful with PrintScreen and Pause, they have printed sides, and the alcohol will remove that paint too.
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Post by: poxeclipse on Mon, 02 April 2012, 17:37:38: Quote from: Quarzac;553090
They're not terribly yellowed at all. The undersides are lighter though. I wish the blue was more blue. It just looks like black in my room.
The keycaps on Wyse 840358-1 are light beige. The legends look black, but are dark navy.
Same for 840338-01.
On 840358-13, the keycaps are ligth grey. The legends look closer to blue, lighter than those on 840358-1.
Most of them are made in Taiwan, but some in China.
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Post by: dorkvader on Wed, 04 April 2012, 00:51:00: I think that's just yellowing differences on the plastic, instead of different manufacturing colours.

The best legends are the ones I retrobrited, they look a little more "blue".
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Post by: 500_pts on Thu, 05 April 2012, 21:00:25: [ATTACH=CONFIG]47524[/ATTACH]

One retrobrited, one not.

I will be continuing to soak these overnight/tomorrow, and maybe stepping up to 12% h202

Used 6% h202 with 1/4 teaspoon of whatever the hell kind of oxy clean i have per 500ml
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Post by: MyNameIsFinn on Fri, 06 April 2012, 15:00:53: I got my keyboard today, I don't see any shine whatsoever, they are a bit dirty so I have em soaking in some oxi-clean, now time to find wyse moogle kit.
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Post by: Tranquilite on Sun, 08 April 2012, 02:42:44: I bought one of these as well, I got a board with the most unbelievably yellowed plastic I have ever seen (a number of keys had paint on them too). Retr0bright has already removed at least 90% of the yellowing though. Should have taken some pictures as the difference is shocking. I'm already formulating plans for what to do with the switches and plate.
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Post by: shawn o on Sun, 08 April 2012, 19:21:32: I ordered a soldering iron and desoldering tool. Going to use the plate to practice my desoldering skills!

Bought a Weller WES51, a ETP tip, and Edsyn DS017 desoldering tool.
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Post by: postlapsaetia on Tue, 17 April 2012, 14:15:57: Just got one of these in the mail, from a different seller. I was pretty excited, but the home row, enter and backspace are pretty damn shiny, also it's pretty nasty under the caps. Soaking the caps now. Whatever.
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Post by: lowkey on Thu, 19 April 2012, 18:16:33: Here are mine after a good soak

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