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Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: Human on Wed, 04 April 2012, 13:02:11: (http://i.imgur.com/IDun7.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/HfDSG.jpg)
http://www.waishehome.cn/thread-47762-1-1.html (http://www.waishehome.cn/thread-47762-1-1.html)

How many of you here being waiting for such a layout?!!?!?!?
Tenkeyless without compromising on productivity.

The sad part is that it uses a strange layout at numpad when numlock off...

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SIDE NOTE(another keyboard):
1st tenkeyless backlit keyboard borned.
Fixed the strange spacebar standard(now KBC compatible) and uneven spacing. Also now using Cherry Style stabiliser instead wire(Costar) style.
http://www.waishehome.cn/thread-47760-1-1.html (http://www.waishehome.cn/thread-47760-1-1.html)
(http://i.imgur.com/xXVK4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/s9jtE.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zIClH.jpg)
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: phormality on Wed, 04 April 2012, 13:06:26: I like it. I'd like a Mac version of it as well.
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Tarkoon on Wed, 04 April 2012, 13:06:26: Is it rubberdome, Cherry, Topre, ALPS?
But the layout is indeed very nice!
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 April 2012, 13:09:07: Quote from: Human;566709
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/IDun7.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/BN8Qr.jpg)

http://www.waishehome.cn/thread-47762-1-1.html

How many of you here being waiting for such a layout?!!?!?!?
Tenkeyless without compromising on productivity.

The sad part is that it uses a strange layout at numpad when numlock off...

Hmmmm........ yea it's pretty sweet.. I would hold off until late into the product cycle,, being multilayered and all, I envision problems // screwups

Is it firmware updatable??

Also, copy of the dolce???

[ATTACH=CONFIG]47212[/ATTACH]
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Human on Wed, 04 April 2012, 13:23:34: Quote from: Tarkoon;566715
Is it rubberdome, Cherry, Topre, ALPS?
But the layout is indeed very nice!

Both KBs above are Cherry switches(cause it is the only switch that had market in China).

Quote from: tp4tissue;566718
Hmmmm........ yea it's pretty sweet.. I would hold off until late into the product cycle,, being multilayered and all, I envision problems // screwups

Is it firmware updatable??

Also, copy of the dolce???

(Attachment) 47212[/ATTACH]

Details unsure.

The keyboard is being designed from scratch(but the idea isn't anything new). Such layout is to fit those people who like to have keyboard with the footprint of TKL but still need numpad. Such layout are normal on 15"+ laptops.

Infact by combining the main clusters with numpad, you won't even need to use the dedicated arrow keys, del , home and so on. You can just numlock on and off to change between numpad and arrow keys as you like.
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 April 2012, 13:24:55: Quote from: Human;566743
Both KBs above are Cherry switches(cause it is the only switch that had market in China).

there's also alotta anti-japanese products psychology in China, so that may explain why topre isn't as popular,,, ALTHOUGH japanese pr0n is somehow excluded from the racism.
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Human on Wed, 04 April 2012, 13:44:43: Quote from: tp4tissue;566745
there's also alotta anti-japanese products psychology in China, so that may explain why topre isn't as popular,,, ALTHOUGH japanese pr0n is somehow excluded from the racism.
True, but not 100%. Japanese products are still deemed as high qualities. FILCO is still worshiped as top tier keyboard over other competitor.
I believe topre's price is the main reason that it isn't popular.

For the pr0n part, can't deny it. I came from a multiracial country(which also being ruled by Japan b4) and I had seen that those foreign Japan stuffs(JAV, JManga, JAnime and so on) are actually promoting racial integration effectively than any other mean.
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: mkeeley on Wed, 04 April 2012, 17:26:51: Not for me, if I had to choose I'd prefer cursor keys over a num pad
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: laffindude on Wed, 04 April 2012, 17:27:43: ^^You're Taiwanese?
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Soarer on Wed, 04 April 2012, 18:05:59: Quote from: Human;566709
How many of you here being waiting for such a layout?!!?!?!?

Well, me, for one!

The key layout is perfect. Even if they don't get the controller / layers exactly right, it's so much easier to swap in a different controller than start from scratch.
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 April 2012, 20:03:09: Quote from: laffindude;566970
^^You're Taiwanese?

My taiwanese nationalism sense is tingling. Since he was describing Taiwan as a "country"..... I'm not gonna say it's not,,, but lets just say if it were,, then it might as well be little Fuzhou, because i have 29 cousins living there from the branch of my family that fled the cultural revolution.
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Human on Thu, 05 April 2012, 01:19:46: Quote from: mkeeley;566969
Not for me, if I had to choose I'd prefer cursor keys over a num pad

Once you get used to the arrow keys on numpad when num-lock off, trust me you won't want to go back to the cramped up arrow keys at bottom rows....
The one on numpad isn't as cramped up and also it is having same rows as to the famous WASD.

In this case, they make it that the arrow keys been placed as if real arrow keys, which is what may suit your taste(but not mine...).
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: herseil on Thu, 05 April 2012, 04:14:55: Whoa, that's the kind of layout I've been wishing for all these time :becky:

Will keep eye on it one for sure
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 05 April 2012, 09:52:42: Great, now when and where can I buy it? Google translate makes no sense of the forum linked... who is it being made by? Looks like Noppoo.
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Human on Thu, 05 April 2012, 10:16:23: Quote from: lysol;567619
Great, now when and where can I buy it? Google translate makes no sense of the forum linked... who is it being made by? Looks like Noppoo.
That board is designed and probably going to be made by PLUM(which also made Noppoo and Neo Zelia87 IIRC).
Probably need another few months till it being launced in taobao.
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Typhaeon on Thu, 05 April 2012, 10:52:43: PCB or plate-mounted?
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Human on Thu, 05 April 2012, 10:59:50: Quote from: Typhaeon;567707
PCB or plate-mounted?

Not sure, not much information for the time being. But it will be having predrilled holes and circuit for LED mounting like Neo Zelia did, so the chances for PCB mounted is probably higher...
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 05 April 2012, 12:44:11: Quote from: Typhaeon;567707
PCB or plate-mounted?

How is the switch attached to the plate if it's plate mounted,, is it a clip>>
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: ahjota on Thu, 05 April 2012, 14:02:11: Looks awesome. I think it's a great idea.

Of course, now I want a left-handed version of this...
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: 1391401 on Thu, 05 April 2012, 22:19:55: Quote from: mkeeley;566969
Not for me, if I had to choose I'd prefer cursor keys over a num pad
I might be wrong but if I am interpreting the image below correctly you can probably toggle the number pad on/off and when the number pad is "off" the four keys with the arrows act as cursor keys

http://i.imgur.com/HfDSG.jpg
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Human on Fri, 06 April 2012, 00:01:24: Quote from: 1391401;568418
I might be wrong but if I am interpreting the image below correctly you can probably toggle the number pad on/off and when the number pad is "off" the four keys with the arrows act as cursor keys

http://i.imgur.com/HfDSG.jpg

Of course it is, but my whine is that why don't they follow the default layout on numpad(2468 for cursors and 7193 for home, end, pgup and pgdn). It will work much better than the pseudo cursor keys simulation(the extra keys around will be a hinder to use the cursor keys in normal way)...
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: demik on Fri, 06 April 2012, 00:42:28: looks like reaper's HHMX
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: reaper on Fri, 06 April 2012, 00:45:42: ^ Or 7bit layout. =P

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/eddie84/OCN/Mech%20keyboard%20club/KMAC/DSC07238.jpg)
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: rknize on Fri, 06 April 2012, 17:30:59: Isn't this that layout that WASD was suggesting?
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 06 April 2012, 18:28:42: Layout suggested to WASD Keyboards, I think it was. It is already on the Roccat Arvo, which is not a mechanical keyboard. The layout has been discussed every now and then since I registered here.
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Nadger on Fri, 06 April 2012, 19:58:11: looks awesome, that keyboard would get me to loosen my death grip on my wallet for a 2nd mechanical.

very similar to the ideal layout i posted months ago

[ATTACH=CONFIG]47634[/ATTACH]
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: nar on Sat, 07 April 2012, 00:17:18: Oh, the arrow keys on the numpad are laid out in the Reversed T shape? I always thought they were the standard layout on numpads...
This layout just instantly went from unusable for me to must buy.
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Human on Sat, 07 April 2012, 11:25:12: Quote from: nar;569575
Oh, the arrow keys on the numpad are laid out in the Reversed T shape? I always thought they were the standard layout on numpads...
This layout just instantly went from unusable for me to must buy.

I still prefer the default "+" shaped cursor keys. The reversed T mapped on "0", "00", "." and "2" may not be a good choice as your finger tend to touch "1" and "3" when you use it...
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: reaper on Sat, 07 April 2012, 18:24:33: Quote from: nar;569575
Oh, the arrow keys on the numpad are laid out in the Reversed T shape? I always thought they were the standard layout on numpads...
This layout just instantly went from unusable for me to must buy.

Mine doesn't have reversed T arrows.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/eddie84/OCN/Mech%20keyboard%20club/KMAC/DSC07621.jpg)
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: nar on Sun, 08 April 2012, 01:31:26: I guess it's dependent on the specific keyboard whether or not the arrows are the standard shape or not.
Since I'm used to using the compact style keyboards where the arrow keys are surrounded by keys anyways, the 1 and 3 don't bother me.
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Human on Sun, 08 April 2012, 03:41:28: Quote from: nar;570405
I guess it's dependent on the specific keyboard whether or not the arrows are the standard shape or not.
Since I'm used to using the compact style keyboards where the arrow keys are surrounded by keys anyways, the 1 and 3 don't bother me.

Trust me, it would be very different between flat profile and DCS profile. On flat profile such as Scissor switch on my laptop, it is fine. But when you tried on the numpad(pressing 0,2 and del as if they are cursors) of a fullsize mechanical keyboard, you will feel the problem...
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Human on Mon, 09 April 2012, 09:26:28: Some Q&A of the keyboard answered(by the manufacturer of the board himself):
http://www.waishehome.cn/redirect.php?goto=findpost&ptid=47762&pid=812604&fromuid=73652
1. ETA is b4 Q3 of 2012(mean the most 2 more months)
2. It is PCB mounted(like Neo Zelia 87)
3. It is having predrilled holes and circuit for LED mounting(like Neo Zelia 87).
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 09 April 2012, 09:53:11: Good stuff, PCB mount FTW.
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Typhaeon on Mon, 09 April 2012, 10:34:16: Wow, this'll do nicely for my ergo clear mod if new Pokers aren't manufactured before then.
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Mon, 09 April 2012, 10:57:58: I will buy this the moment it is available. The tenkeyonly layout is highly superior (one of the best features of the Model F AT, IMHO).
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Soarer on Mon, 09 April 2012, 14:00:19: Excellent - I like PCB mounted MX, and they're easy to mod to boot :-)

Now, how about ISO?

*ducks*
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: hemflit on Tue, 10 April 2012, 16:10:31: Neat. Not for me, but very neat.
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Nadger on Sat, 16 June 2012, 22:53:55: Any update on this thing? When is it available?
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: mkawa on Sat, 16 June 2012, 22:57:11: this is the aikb non-ergo board i believe. imsto sells the pcbs on his taobao store.
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Loligagger on Mon, 18 June 2012, 15:35:24: Any news on this board? When can I give them my money for a layout this good?
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Mon, 18 June 2012, 15:43:54: My wallet is open wide, if only they would take it.

[video=youtube_share;8QfSzgV1q5g]http://youtu.be/8QfSzgV1q5g[/video]
Title: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Soarer on Sun, 24 June 2012, 11:31:21: Quote from: mkawa;615227
this is the aikb non-ergo board i believe. imsto sells the pcbs on his taobao store.

That looks more like a TKL with a couple of extra switches :-/

Quote from: Human;571448
1. ETA is b4 Q3 of 2012(mean the most 2 more months)

To get it out before Q3 they will have to hurry!
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: ferociousfingerings on Tue, 25 September 2012, 20:37:01: Anyone heard anything more about this board/layout/style/etc?

This thread looks like it started late, due to the fact that there's a much older thread showing a wireless version made by PLUM. (MX 96?)

Highly desirable layout, IMO. Hybrid "home/arrow/tenkey" cluster, without changing the layout of either.

The only reason i ever use the numpad is for more quickly/comfortably entering numbers, and for hitting the enter key with my right thumb. I never use the tenkey arrows for anything, nor do i ever use the "home" layer of the tenkey. I do, however, use the "home cluster" and "arrow keys" in combination with ctrl and shift.

Everything in the same place, but more space for mouse.

Awesome.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheProfosist on Tue, 25 September 2012, 23:28:28: I designed a layout very very simular to that first board a while back for wasd. Its interesting how they implemented it.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 25 September 2012, 23:41:05: It was released and is available to purchase from China for about $80. Which reminds me, I need to buy one of these now that the white pbt version is out.
Title: Re: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 26 September 2012, 00:06:52: Quote from: lysol on Tue, 25 September 2012, 23:41:05
It was released and is available to purchase from China for about $80. Which reminds me, I need to buy one of these now that the white pbt version is out.
mind doing a good review when you get it? I always like to own keyboards that match layouts ive comeup with.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 26 September 2012, 00:12:43: Whenever I manage to get one... but I already nearly forgot it existed until this thread was bumped back up.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Binge on Wed, 26 September 2012, 02:30:34: I love the layout but I seriously dislike MX blacks. What ever will I do?! Phantom maybe?
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: ferociousfingerings on Wed, 26 September 2012, 02:41:56: Quote from: TheProfosist on Tue, 25 September 2012, 23:28:28
I designed a layout very very simular to that first board a while back for wasd. Its interesting how they implemented it.

Wait... what?

Got any links to where i can view or research this implementation?

Or is this a "yet to be released / as yet unreleased / might not be released" model?
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: G.C.W. on Wed, 26 September 2012, 03:35:09: have Seen this layout long Time agor by Filco on taobao...
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: ferociousfingerings on Wed, 26 September 2012, 03:46:18: Quote from: t!ng on Wed, 26 September 2012, 03:35:09
have Seen this layout long Time agor by Filco on taobao...

This?

Quote from: Human on Wed, 04 April 2012, 13:02:11
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/IDun7.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/HfDSG.jpg)

http://www.waishehome.cn/thread-47762-1-1.html (http://www.waishehome.cn/thread-47762-1-1.html)

How many of you here being waiting for such a layout?!!?!?!?
Tenkeyless without compromising on productivity.

The sad part is that it uses a strange layout at numpad when numlock off...

[/snip]

I'd love to see this plate mounted in a metal case... especially with the allegedly currently impossible "user-selectable" backlighting.

Maybe even some left-edge macro keys.
Maybe just put the whole hybrid-tenkey section on the left side. ^^

Too bad i can't read chinese. I'd love to know which options and variations may exist in this layout.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: G.C.W. on Wed, 26 September 2012, 05:36:14: Here bro:

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=15900975948&ali_trackid=2:mm_14507416_2297358_8935934:1348655686_3k4_652900346

But it is a little bit different. I prefer the one that you posted.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 26 September 2012, 10:10:36: It's known as Plum 96 and you can find it easy on taobao.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Binge on Wed, 26 September 2012, 10:25:56: I'm sure with the Filco you'd probably be able to get a different switch type. Darn you Plum :-\
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: FoxWolf1 on Wed, 26 September 2012, 10:33:51: I like the layout, but wish they'd move the Insert cluster down one row on the number pad, to make it easier to hit PageUp and PageDown from the arrow keys while browsing. NumPad 1 and 3 as browser back and forwards while in non-numlock mode would be pretty awesome as well.

Mind you, all of the layout brilliance in the world can't persuade me to buy a keyboard if I'm not convinced that the thing can meet what I would consider a minimal standard of ruggedness-- which usually requires, among other features, a thick metal plate to ensure that the PCB doesn't take damage from heavy key presses.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 26 September 2012, 10:47:14: Other switch types was in the original plan for these, but I don't know if it is still to happen or not. Either way if you want something else and only blacks available, it is very easy to change it on pcb mount. All you need is some other stems/springs to change it to what you wish.
It's a huge pro to pcb mount over plate. No soldering needed, and I don't have to concern about the switch because I can change it very easy any time.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: ferociousfingerings on Wed, 26 September 2012, 12:39:40: Quote from: t!ng on Wed, 26 September 2012, 05:36:14
Here bro:

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=15900975948&ali_trackid=2:mm_14507416_2297358_8935934:1348655686_3k4_652900346

But it is a little bit different. I prefer the one that you posted.

Sweet. That is officially my new favorite board (based on layout and manufacturer). Rather pricey... but if i had to pick "just one," that'd be it.

Better yet: i wish there was a "ninja" version of this.

Quote from: lysol on Wed, 26 September 2012, 10:10:36
It's known as Plum 96 and you can find it easy on taobao.

True enough, i had already located some (non-filco) of these... the hard part is buying anything from taobao, when you don't know chinese. ^^ (and additionally, waiting for shipping...)

One of these and a "phantom mini" would probably be all the keyboard i'd ever need.

Now to wait years for someone to figure out a reasonable way to integrate color-changing LED's into a backlit cherry mech.

And maybe some "macro" keys. :P

Plenty of space on the left side still!
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Human on Wed, 26 September 2012, 23:50:43: Quote from: t!ng on Wed, 26 September 2012, 05:36:14
Here bro:

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=15900975948&ali_trackid=2:mm_14507416_2297358_8935934:1348655686_3k4_652900346

But it is a little bit different. I prefer the one that you posted.
Filco 100M, EOLed product + not sure if having non-Japanese layout.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Human on Wed, 26 September 2012, 23:52:05: Quote from: lysol on Wed, 26 September 2012, 10:47:14
Other switch types was in the original plan for these, but I don't know if it is still to happen or not. Either way if you want something else and only blacks available, it is very easy to change it on pcb mount. All you need is some other stems/springs to change it to what you wish.
It's a huge pro to pcb mount over plate. No soldering needed, and I don't have to concern about the switch because I can change it very easy any time.
Searching it from taobao and I can find numerous version of it, of which different switches and case/keycaps color.

PCB mounted take the advantages of easier switch/LED mod here. And the feedback of PCB mounted kb is softer compared to plate mounted.
Title: Re: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 26 September 2012, 23:59:49: Quote from: ferociousfingerings on Wed, 26 September 2012, 02:41:56
Quote from: TheProfosist on Tue, 25 September 2012, 23:28:28
I designed a layout very very simular to that first board a while back for wasd. Its interesting how they implemented it.

Wait... what?

Got any links to where i can view or research this implementation?

Or is this a "yet to be released / as yet unreleased / might not be released" model?
yea i have just the layout i made. Wasd was just fishing around for potential nonstandard layouts and i made a few. There was some interest here but the majority of his market wanted backlight abd tkl.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: neeb on Thu, 27 September 2012, 00:05:04: Quote from: lysol on Tue, 25 September 2012, 23:41:05
It was released and is available to purchase from China for about $80. Which reminds me, I need to buy one of these now that the white pbt version is out.

Not bad at all. Please let us know if you do get one :D
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Carter on Thu, 27 September 2012, 00:06:43: So you guys like this layout.... people will be very happy soon
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Binge on Thu, 27 September 2012, 00:08:14: Quote from: Carter on Thu, 27 September 2012, 00:06:43
So you guys like this layout.... people will be very happy soon

I sense great mystery, oh and I do love the layout.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: neeb on Thu, 27 September 2012, 00:09:16: Quote from: Carter on Thu, 27 September 2012, 00:06:43
So you guys like this layout.... people will be very happy soon

:o orly? lol do tell more!
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: fl0w3n on Thu, 27 September 2012, 00:30:17: That does look like an interesting layout...however, at least for me, once you go TKL you don't go back.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheProfosist on Thu, 27 September 2012, 00:37:10: And thats why i built my phantom which is basically a HHKB + a numberpad
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: dorkvader on Thu, 27 September 2012, 21:59:05: Quote from: Carter on Thu, 27 September 2012, 00:06:43
So you guys like this layout.... people will be very happy soon
Does CM exist to make customers happy? I "thought" it's what companies did, but until now CM seems to be the only one.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: zongeva on Fri, 28 September 2012, 01:48:46: Need layout of this keyboard made by Costar!
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: ferociousfingerings on Fri, 28 September 2012, 10:53:14: Quote from: Carter on Thu, 27 September 2012, 00:06:43
So you guys like this layout.... people will be very happy soon

This makes me both excited and annoyed. lol.

I want a new board now!

What i think would be great, is if the tenkey/edit-cluster from this layout was available separately, to combine with a "60%" board, like a pure or poker... so that i could just stick it on the left side. :P

Or like... a mechanical g13... with a true analog thumbstick. :P

Anyway, this 96 key layout is, imo, vastly superior to the typical full size layout... while keeping everything where it's expected to be. (except for those of you who actually use the tenkey nav/edit functionality)

GH doesn't seem to have a decent thread on this particular board, but i see that imsto has made one on deskthority (http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/imsto-new-plum-mx-96keys-group-t3533.html) a couple months ago.

I also found at least one seller on taobao with a backlit version of this.

I also noticed in one of the "stock photos" of the innards of this board, it's apparently got holes to add LED's yourself, if one were so inclined.

I would very much enjoy having one of these. ^^
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheProfosist on Fri, 28 September 2012, 13:22:35: Well here is the layout that i cam up with if anyone is interested

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/TheProfosist/GeekHack/GH-sub-mine/WASDALTTKLDefaultLayer1TEMP3.png)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/TheProfosist/GeekHack/GH-sub-mine/WASDALTTKLFnLayer1TEMP3.png)
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: ferociousfingerings on Fri, 28 September 2012, 15:37:18: Quote from: TheProfosist on Fri, 28 September 2012, 13:22:35
Well here is the layout that i cam up with if anyone is interested

Show Image
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/TheProfosist/GeekHack/GH-sub-mine/WASDALTTKLDefaultLayer1TEMP3.png)

Show Image
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/TheProfosist/GeekHack/GH-sub-mine/WASDALTTKLFnLayer1TEMP3.png)

1st thing i see:

correlation between "mode" and "num-lock."

1) is "mode" required to access "num-lock?"
2) would this allow the "edit" features of the original "num-lock-off - tenkey" mode?
a) while also allowing "typical edit cluster" functionality, in "non-tenkey-mode?"

Would be nice to have all 3 of those "modes":
1) "edit cluster" mode (which would evidently include media functions!)
2) tenkey +num-lock mode
3) tenkey -num-lock mode

Would be great if the "mode" key simply switched between "edit/media" mode, and "tenkey" mode, and while in tenkey-mode, "num-lock(insert)" would do what you'd expect.

Now... let's detach it, back-light it, and put it on the left side... and put everything in a "silent," minimalist, low-profile metal case. ;)
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheProfosist on Fri, 28 September 2012, 15:41:15: all the mode key does is switch between the 10key and the home cluster+arrows/media keys, nothing else. in each of the 2 modes the keyboard would function just as a normal keyboard would if it was in that layout.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: ferociousfingerings on Fri, 28 September 2012, 16:27:21: Quote from: TheProfosist on Fri, 28 September 2012, 15:41:15
all the mode key does is switch between the 10key and the home cluster+arrows/media keys, nothing else. in each of the 2 modes the keyboard would function just as a normal keyboard would if it was in that layout.

Cool. ^^

What about a dual-colored LED for the mode key/switch, to show which mode it's in?

Also... what about num-lock? Would it have an LED? Would that only be active in "tenkey mode?"

And... how might one acquire one of these? lol.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: alaricljs on Fri, 28 September 2012, 16:29:37: Controllable dual color LEDs do not fit in Cherry MX switches.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheProfosist on Fri, 28 September 2012, 16:49:23: Well umm its doesnt exist yet sadly as no one has made one yet... the one at the beginning of the post is somewhat like my layout though and who knows what Carter was talking about.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: alaricljs on Fri, 28 September 2012, 19:34:46: And of course Profosist's would have to be a custom because I'd be amazed if anyone implemented his layered numpad area even considering how nice it is.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 03 October 2012, 01:21:18: If your interested in this you should check out the new cm storm board made by costar.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Wed, 03 October 2012, 01:23:34: Quote from: TheProfosist on Wed, 03 October 2012, 01:21:18
If your interested in this you should check out the new cm storm board made by costar.
Carter said it's not made by Costar, nor is it made by iOne.
Title: Re: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 03 October 2012, 01:25:35: Quote from: WhiteFireDragon on Wed, 03 October 2012, 01:23:34
Quote from: TheProfosist on Wed, 03 October 2012, 01:21:18
If your interested in this you should check out the new cm storm board made by costar.
Carter said it's not made by Costar, nor is it made by iOne.
thought he said it was in the thraed about the boad... Maybe i misread.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: ferociousfingerings on Wed, 03 October 2012, 01:27:16: Quote from: TheProfosist on Wed, 03 October 2012, 01:21:18
If your interested in this you should check out the new cm storm board made by costar.

And where might one check out said board?

Edit: Oh. Right. here it is. (http://www.cmstorm.com/en/products/keyboards/Quick%20Fire%20TK/)
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 03 October 2012, 01:29:27: Yep definitly misread. The board has a thread here http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36137.0
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Wed, 03 October 2012, 01:40:08: Quote from: TheProfosist on Wed, 03 October 2012, 01:25:35
Quote from: WhiteFireDragon on Wed, 03 October 2012, 01:23:34
Quote from: TheProfosist on Wed, 03 October 2012, 01:21:18
If your interested in this you should check out the new cm storm board made by costar.
Carter said it's not made by Costar, nor is it made by iOne.
thought he said it was in the thraed about the boad... Maybe i misread.
Here is his quote:

Quote from: Carter on Tue, 02 October 2012, 23:22:30
Board is not made by iOne, but not Costar.... Build quality is awesome though.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 03 October 2012, 14:49:22: yea my bad... so should we still make one?
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheQsanity on Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:04:05: Isn't this like a Noppoo or Poker? I do like this and I do like Noppoo and Poker... Just can't get my hands one them.

Assuming this is Chinese, this will also be on the cheaper end(price wise).

Wouldn't this be quite similar to the Noppoo or Poker? What is the big difference? :)
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:07:06: Poker has ~30 fewer keys, Noppoo is a brand... if you mean the Choc Mini, that has ~18 fewer keys.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheQsanity on Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:15:57: Quote from: alaricljs on Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:07:06
Poker has ~30 fewer keys, Noppoo is a brand... if you mean the Choc Mini, that has ~18 fewer keys.

Oh thanks... If the Choc Mini and the Poker are smaller(Poker has full sized keys for sure not sure about Choc Mini) What makes this one so great? Is it the key placement that the Poker and the Choc Mini didn't have? I have Watched and read some reviews about the key and some criticism about the way they used the fn keys(if I can remember correctly the Poker does have a number pad using the fn keys, correct me if I'm wrong).
Thanks! :)
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:25:27: This board is to compete with 87key TKLs by being only slightly larger (1 key width) and having all the usability of a 104key board (arrow keys and numpad).

All mechanical keyboards have the same size key caps for 1x width keys, some of the larger caps are different widths depending on layout.

No numpad on the Poker, just F-keys and Nav-keys. The Choc mini has the Fn-Numpad.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Soarer on Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:31:05: Quote from: TheProfosist on Wed, 03 October 2012, 14:49:22
so should we still make one?

Sure, I think we just need a good source of donor cases. If we want to do it cheaply, that is.

These MK-96 (http://www.welovemacs.com/mk96.html) might do, but I'm not a fan of the bunched up F-keys.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheQsanity on Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:32:06: Quote from: alaricljs on Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:25:27
This board is to compete with 87key TKLs by being only slightly larger (1 key width) and having all the usability of a 104key board (arrow keys and numpad).

All mechanical keyboards have the same size key caps for 1x width keys, some of the larger caps are different widths depending on layout.

No numpad on the Poker, just F-keys and Nav-keys. The Choc mini has the Fn-Numpad.

Oh thanks! Soo much diversity! Lol.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:34:11: Quote from: Soarer on Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:31:05
Quote from: TheProfosist on Wed, 03 October 2012, 14:49:22
so should we still make one?

Sure, I think we just need a good source of donor cases. If we want to do it cheaply, that is.

These MK-96 (http://www.welovemacs.com/mk96.html) might do, but I'm not a fan of the bunched up F-keys.
could we just make a simple case? that just sandwiches the pcb and plate?
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Soarer on Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:50:17: Quote from: TheProfosist on Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:34:11
Quote from: Soarer on Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:31:05
Quote from: TheProfosist on Wed, 03 October 2012, 14:49:22
so should we still make one?

Sure, I think we just need a good source of donor cases. If we want to do it cheaply, that is.

These MK-96 (http://www.welovemacs.com/mk96.html) might do, but I'm not a fan of the bunched up F-keys.
could we just make a simple case? that just sandwiches the pcb and plate?

Any custom fabrication at all is gonna cost a bit though.

Kinda related - I'd be happy with PCB mounted MX, which simplifies the case a bit.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheQsanity on Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:53:49: Quote from: alaricljs on Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:25:27
This board is to compete with 87key TKLs by being only slightly larger (1 key width) and having all the usability of a 104key board (arrow keys and numpad).

All mechanical keyboards have the same size key caps for 1x width keys, some of the larger caps are different widths depending on layout.

No numpad on the Poker, just F-keys and Nav-keys. The Choc mini has the Fn-Numpad.

I just remembered, Razer BW has some smaller key caps on it.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:58:48: Oh? Do tell. Because that .75" == 1x cap size limitation is enforced by the Cherry switches underneath.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheQsanity on Wed, 03 October 2012, 16:03:01: Quote from: alaricljs on Wed, 03 October 2012, 15:58:48
Oh? Do tell. Because that .75" == 1x cap size limitation is enforced by the Cherry switches underneath.
Not sure, It was the Windows key at least that's what they looked like. I don't have my BW anymore.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 03 October 2012, 16:12:54: That's one of those larger than 1x caps that I already covered with "some of the larger caps are different widths depending on layout". 1x Windows keys are not uncommon at all.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: shawn o on Wed, 03 October 2012, 18:11:37: Filco make a keyboard very similiar to this.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Nadger on Sat, 20 October 2012, 23:39:55: Has anyone had any luck getting these yet? Last few times i tried getting a white one with red switches the vendors were out.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheQsanity on Sat, 20 October 2012, 23:45:19: Quote from: Nadger on Sat, 20 October 2012, 23:39:55
Has anyone had any luck getting these yet? Last few times i tried getting a white one with red switches the vendors were out.

What is this called? This looks like the QFTK has the dame layout.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: wetto on Sat, 20 October 2012, 23:53:35: Jesus, and it costs US$ 60 on China! I'm soo getting one!
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheQsanity on Sat, 20 October 2012, 23:55:59: Quote from: wetto on Sat, 20 October 2012, 23:53:35
Jesus, and it costs US$ 60 on China! I'm soo getting one!

Link!!! What is it called?
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Human on Sun, 21 October 2012, 02:04:50: Quote from: Nadger on Sat, 20 October 2012, 23:39:55
Has anyone had any luck getting these yet? Last few times i tried getting a white one with red switches the vendors were out.
I had gotten mine. Being quite busy lately so no time to write a detailed review on it.
In short, it is a nice board.
1. Wireless
2. Nice/Perfect layout and footprint
3. PBT/POM keycaps
4. Solid + heavy built despite being a PCB mounted board
5. Backlit ready by just adding your own LED
6. NKRO
7. Detachable wire
8. Multimedia shortcut keys and bla bla bla, literally everything you every asked for

The only cons is that...
It uses an odd spacebar standard, similar to Neo Zelia 87, and probably Keycool/Leopold FC500R also...

(http://i.imgur.com/iAD74.jpg)
P/S: Those Blank keycaps are KBC POM which I purchased seperately.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Human on Sun, 21 October 2012, 02:05:25: Quote from: TheQsanity on Sat, 20 October 2012, 23:55:59
Quote from: wetto on Sat, 20 October 2012, 23:53:35
Jesus, and it costs US$ 60 on China! I'm soo getting one!

Link!!! What is it called?
PLUM96
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: laffindude on Sun, 21 October 2012, 02:17:15: Those POM keys looks really nice on it.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheQsanity on Sun, 21 October 2012, 02:36:26: Quote from: Human on Sun, 21 October 2012, 02:04:50
Quote from: Nadger on Sat, 20 October 2012, 23:39:55
Has anyone had any luck getting these yet? Last few times i tried getting a white one with red switches the vendors were out.
I had gotten mine. Being quite busy lately so no time to write a detailed review on it.
In short, it is a nice board.
1. Wireless
2. Nice/Perfect layout and footprint
3. PBT/POM keycaps
4. Solid + heavy built despite being a PCB mounted board
5. Backlit ready by just adding your own LED
6. NKRO
7. Detachable wire
8. Multimedia shortcut keys and bla bla bla, literally everything you every asked for

The only cons is that...
It uses an odd spacebar standard, similar to Neo Zelia 87, and probably Keycool/Leopold FC500R also...

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/iAD74.jpg)

P/S: Those Blank keycaps are KBC POM which I purchased seperately.

Led ready?!?!?! What da... this is so unreal. Shortcuts????!!!
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Human on Sun, 21 October 2012, 02:55:11: Quote from: TheQsanity on Sun, 21 October 2012, 02:36:26
Quote from: Human on Sun, 21 October 2012, 02:04:50
Quote from: Nadger on Sat, 20 October 2012, 23:39:55
Has anyone had any luck getting these yet? Last few times i tried getting a white one with red switches the vendors were out.
I had gotten mine. Being quite busy lately so no time to write a detailed review on it.
In short, it is a nice board.
1. Wireless
2. Nice/Perfect layout and footprint
3. PBT/POM keycaps
4. Solid + heavy built despite being a PCB mounted board
5. Backlit ready by just adding your own LED
6. NKRO
7. Detachable wire
8. Multimedia shortcut keys and bla bla bla, literally everything you every asked for

The only cons is that...
It uses an odd spacebar standard, similar to Neo Zelia 87, and probably Keycool/Leopold FC500R also...

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/iAD74.jpg)

P/S: Those Blank keycaps are KBC POM which I purchased seperately.

Led ready?!?!?! What da... this is so unreal. Shortcuts????!!!
Yup, it come with holes and circuit for LED, just mount it yourself and you are good to go. Shortcut keys mean those Volume control, play/pause, Computer and so on.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Cindori on Sun, 21 October 2012, 03:15:09: Uhm wait a seconddddd

It's WIRELESS, MECHANICAL, NKRO, with DETACHABLE WIRE, and LED support, and it cost $70 USD (http://search8.taobao.com/search?q=plum96&commend=all&ssid=s5-e&pid=mm_14507416_2297358_8935934)!?!?!?

(http://img01.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i1/822924087/T2qCOPXdJXXXXXXXXX_!!822924087.jpg)
(http://img02.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i2/822924087/T2ebqKXeBaXXXXXXXX_!!822924087.gif)
(http://img04.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i4/96906904/T2CBGmXklbXXXXXXXX_!!96906904.gif)
(http://img02.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i2/96906904/T2NbCyXe0bXXXXXXXX_!!96906904.gif)

(http://piclair.com/data/oalno.jpg)
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: TheQsanity on Sun, 21 October 2012, 04:14:48: Haha that made me laugh.

Now the question is... black or white.. your white ones look a lillte cream. Are they clear white? What would look better with leds?

I haven't done an led mod yet. Should any led work? Does it have a manual that says?
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED(almost...)!!!!
Post by: Human on Sun, 21 October 2012, 04:21:20: The keycaps are perfectly bright and clear white. The case is a little ~~cream~~ clay/greyish, not too much a problem.

If I am you, I will go for blackcase but white keycaps. Because white color case are prone to yellowing after long term use, worsen when exposed to sunlight(which is inevitable at my country). White keycaps are PBT, which are really comfort to touch on.

White color normally looks better with custom keycaps(rainbow especially).

For LED mod, it is normally discussed in China KB forums. There isn't any manual(except the one which explain the keys layout) inside. I had asked around and the answer I got is that board should use a 2.8V LED(that mean 3V should be OK?). Though, I am not reponsible if anything wrong with your board.
www.waishehome.cn/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=45648&pid=1043760
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: Cindori on Sun, 21 October 2012, 04:52:38: It is a normal 3mm led. Just search "3mm led" on ebay.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: Human on Sun, 21 October 2012, 05:14:29: Quote from: Cindori on Sun, 21 October 2012, 04:52:38
It is a normal 3mm led. Just search "3mm led" on ebay.
The wattage or voltage of the LED also play an important role here.

Also, if you can get a PLUM96(most probably from taobao), you can easily get LEDs from taobao also. They are dirt cheap there.
http://shop34410686.taobao.com/search.htm?spm=2013.1.w6.2.e6ef66&orderType=_hotsell
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: wetto on Sun, 21 October 2012, 09:46:35: Does the fact that it does not contains any plate affects it at all? Can someone answer me this?
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: Human on Sun, 21 October 2012, 10:01:21: What you mean? You mean does the board PCB mounted causing any problems or inferiors? Most(if not all) Cherry made boards are PCB mounted.

Also, as I mentioned, the board itself is solid and heavy.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: wetto on Sun, 21 October 2012, 10:26:29: Quote from: Human on Sun, 21 October 2012, 10:01:21
What you mean? You mean does the board PCB mounted causing any problems or inferiors? Most(if not all) Cherry made boards are PCB mounted.

Also, as I mentioned, the board itself is solid and heavy.

Damn, and here I thought that after gettting my Das Keyboard I wouldn't need to buy any other keyboard in my life.

Well gentlemen, I guess this PLUM 96 will sell quite well here on geekhack, hehehehe.... I'm surely getting mine.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: Human on Sun, 21 October 2012, 10:37:27: Quote from: wetto on Sun, 21 October 2012, 10:26:29
Quote from: Human on Sun, 21 October 2012, 10:01:21
What you mean? You mean does the board PCB mounted causing any problems or inferiors? Most(if not all) Cherry made boards are PCB mounted.

Also, as I mentioned, the board itself is solid and heavy.

Damn, and here I thought that after gettting my Das Keyboard I wouldn't need to buy any other keyboard in my life.

Well gentlemen, I guess this PLUM 96 will sell quite well here on geekhack, hehehehe.... I'm surely getting mine.
The problem is that most China boards are not sold internationally. The most it gone to Taiwan.
You need to find those online vendors such as QTAN to get it but then the price goes up as it passed through more hands and distances.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: Cindori on Sun, 21 October 2012, 14:18:11: We have both Lin and Qtan here that acts as Taobao agents, and the fee is not too much.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: GensokyoTenshi on Sun, 21 October 2012, 14:33:18: Wow, that would really be the perfect layout for me, can't wait to get my hands on one.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: wetto on Sun, 21 October 2012, 14:52:22: I think I'll order 10, need to sell some around here in my country.... :p
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: nullstring on Wed, 24 October 2012, 20:36:46: is plum96 available in mx brown anywhere yet?
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: desal on Thu, 25 October 2012, 00:25:39: Quote from: nullstring on Wed, 24 October 2012, 20:36:46
is plum96 available in mx brown anywhere yet?

There's plenty on taobao. I just got one from qtan yesterday.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: nullstring on Thu, 25 October 2012, 01:16:33: Quote from: desal on Thu, 25 October 2012, 00:25:39
Quote from: nullstring on Wed, 24 October 2012, 20:36:46
is plum96 available in mx brown anywhere yet?

There's plenty on taobao. I just got one from qtan yesterday.

What was the total cost?
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: N8N on Thu, 25 October 2012, 06:07:14: Do want.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: Grimey on Thu, 25 October 2012, 09:46:06: Loving my Panda Clears modded PLUM96 myself (work mate modded his PLUM96 to ghetto Light Grays). It was interesting open up the board and see PCB was LED ready for every switch. It is a totally decent board all around if you don't mind the Leopold 500 spacebar stabilizer spacing and cherry stabilizers. The battery life isn't all the great in wireless mode, which is probably why it comes with a on/off toggle switch for it.

Just glad to see some interest peeking for this layout around the globe.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: desal on Thu, 25 October 2012, 12:42:28: Quote from: nullstring on Thu, 25 October 2012, 01:16:33
Quote from: desal on Thu, 25 October 2012, 00:25:39
Quote from: nullstring on Wed, 24 October 2012, 20:36:46
is plum96 available in mx brown anywhere yet?

There's plenty on taobao. I just got one from qtan yesterday.

What was the total cost?

I got some other stuff too and i'm not sure of the breakdown, I think it was about $80-90 shipped.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: Human on Fri, 26 October 2012, 13:23:53: Quote from: Grimey on Thu, 25 October 2012, 09:46:06
Loving my Panda Clears modded PLUM96 myself (work mate modded his PLUM96 to ghetto Light Grays). It was interesting open up the board and see PCB was LED ready for every switch. It is a totally decent board all around if you don't mind the Leopold 500 spacebar stabilizer spacing and cherry stabilizers. The battery life isn't all the great in wireless mode, which is probably why it comes with a on/off toggle switch for it.

Just glad to see some interest peeking for this layout around the globe.
Wondering what are your complaint on the battery life?
What I read in China forums are that the battery life is actually pretty good.

At least for mine, it is still clearly functioning after a week of usage(on average around 4hours per day). Also, I am not expecting it(the battery) to die out that fast, as it actually using 3x AAA Energizer MAX batteries(which cost around 0.7USD each here and can normally last me a very long time for other uses) + it is awkward to keep on removing the case for changing battery.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: Grimey on Fri, 26 October 2012, 14:28:40: Quote from: Human on Fri, 26 October 2012, 13:23:53
Wondering what are your complaint on the battery life?
What I read in China forums are that the battery life is actually pretty good.

At least for mine, it is still clearly functioning after a week of usage(on average around 4hours per day). Also, I am not expecting it(the battery) to die out that fast, as it actually using 3x AAA Energizer MAX batteries(which cost around 0.7USD each here and can normally last me a very long time for other uses) + it is awkward to keep on removing the case for changing battery.

As I should probably point out, I have only had 2 attempts at monitoring battery life. Both attempts provided about 10 days of battery life when wireless mode was left toggled on (the switch left on the wireless on position) while attached wirelessly to our media box which does not shut down. These tests were not scientific or anything of that nature, but the actual time spent typing is very little.

If these were rechargeable I would not complain in the least at this amount of battery life, but the pain of opening it up and replacing the batteries has kept me very astute to toggle the wireless off when I am not doing any typing. So the problem basically solves itself by just remembering to toggle the device off, but it would be nice if the device would put itself in standby after 10 minutes of non-use or something.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: absyrd on Fri, 26 October 2012, 17:16:57: I think that PLUM 96 is my next board. So the consensus is qtan is the way to go?
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: Grimey on Fri, 26 October 2012, 22:36:37: Got mine through IMSTO, but qtan has good rep here as well.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: Carter on Fri, 26 October 2012, 23:06:57: Blue TK's will be available to people very soon. Followed by Red and lastly brown
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 26 October 2012, 23:21:46: I'm tempted to get one in brown. I would have my pennies saved for one if there was a black, though...
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: wetto on Fri, 26 October 2012, 23:22:06: Quote from: Carter on Fri, 26 October 2012, 23:06:57
Blue TK's will be available to people very soon. Followed by Red and lastly brown

Nice to hear, though, what really made CM not release it in Cherry MX Black? Some gamers even like those.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: Human on Sat, 27 October 2012, 11:38:58: Quote from: Grimey on Fri, 26 October 2012, 14:28:40
Quote from: Human on Fri, 26 October 2012, 13:23:53
Wondering what are your complaint on the battery life?
What I read in China forums are that the battery life is actually pretty good.

At least for mine, it is still clearly functioning after a week of usage(on average around 4hours per day). Also, I am not expecting it(the battery) to die out that fast, as it actually using 3x AAA Energizer MAX batteries(which cost around 0.7USD each here and can normally last me a very long time for other uses) + it is awkward to keep on removing the case for changing battery.

As I should probably point out, I have only had 2 attempts at monitoring battery life. Both attempts provided about 10 days of battery life when wireless mode was left toggled on (the switch left on the wireless on position) while attached wirelessly to our media box which does not shut down. These tests were not scientific or anything of that nature, but the actual time spent typing is very little.

If these were rechargeable I would not complain in the least at this amount of battery life, but the pain of opening it up and replacing the batteries has kept me very astute to toggle the wireless off when I am not doing any typing. So the problem basically solves itself by just remembering to toggle the device off, but it would be nice if the device would put itself in standby after 10 minutes of non-use or something.

It do had a "standby mode", which turn indicator LEDs off when keyboard is not in used for a durations on wireless mode. You can also manually doing so by Fn+F7.

Also, may be you should try with a better battery and see if the results turns out better.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: Human on Sat, 27 October 2012, 11:40:26: BTW, IIRC, PLUM96 may come out with an improved/refreshed version soon. The main different should be an opening at the back to reach the batteries without open up the whole board.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: wetto on Sat, 27 October 2012, 11:42:35: Anyone knows where I can buy one of those PLUM 96 keyboards? Someplace where there's international shipping as well.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: Human on Sat, 27 October 2012, 11:44:14: Yup, just read back and noticed my mistake. Had edited my previous post.

As above, some ppl said that QTAN is carrying the boards, which mean you can probably get it from him.
Title: Re: LASTLY, A MECH KEYBOARD WITH THE PERFECT LAYOUT + FOOTPRINT IS BORNED!!!!
Post by: Grimey on Sat, 27 October 2012, 23:46:02: Quote from: Human on Sat, 27 October 2012, 11:38:58

It do had a "standby mode", which turn indicator LEDs off when keyboard is not in used for a durations on wireless mode. You can also manually doing so by Fn+F7.

Also, may be you should try with a better battery and see if the results turns out better.

I wouldn't disagree with anything you said, this keyboard may have somewhat of a standby mode. My experience has been that actually toggling it off (the switch underneath) when not in use has given me a full month + of usage on the current set of batteries. When the majority of typing I do is a few quick command line entries and plugging in some URLs it just seemed easier to toggle for now. I will probably try the standbye mode again at some point in the future, I would rather just not take the keyboard apart every other week to change the batteries.