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Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Input Nirvana on Mon, 09 April 2012, 12:48:10: This is from a thread Mkawa started and closed in the classifieds subforum....

Hold on to your hat and read #2a, #2b, and #3:

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My responses to Mkawa...I'm obviously unhappy with the lack of responsibility and excuses from a mod....

#2a - I've got news for you, GH is the total collective community of forum members, and you obviously don't comprehend that. Where possible you would like to serve the community, BUT you're an agent of iMav??? IMav enlisted you so you can SERVE the COMMUNITY. Really, why did you become a mod in the first place? For a couple free key caps?? Get your head on straight because you have the wrong perspective. It sounds like you are on a power trip and want to be the bad guy martyr. I'm unimpressed with this. GH has taken a large step backward with this.

#2b - So you are basically saying you are unwilling/unable to do the job and all it entails, so you will just shut out open discussion, which is what a forum is. Shut out what you don't want to hear. That's a small-minded and lazy unimpressive Gestapo tactic. Another big step backwards.

#3 - Is this your excuse for being an ass? If you can't do the job well, then back down and don't do it at all. It's not our problem you can't deal with people, that's YOUR issue Mkawa...so work on it and stop making excuses for your inadequate behavior. I may consider constructive comments of course, but so should you, even more so as a mod. If you're not ready to be one because you need training on how to be human, step aside and let others that are better at it do the job correctly. No bs excuses. A HUGE step in the wrong direction with this.

iMav....maybe a re-evaluation of some of people you would like to have represent the best interests of the entire GH community. Fix the problem or replace it.

Mkawa...feel free to pm me to work out your issues if you want, because at this point, it's a fail. Strive to be better.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Malphas on Mon, 09 April 2012, 13:00:36: Aha, comes across as very douchey, but I've yet to see any actual problems here from the moderation at least.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: sth on Mon, 09 April 2012, 13:04:54: Oof. Take a break. Walk around the park or something.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Input Nirvana on Mon, 09 April 2012, 13:12:49: Quote from: sth;571593
Oof. Take a break. Walk around the park or something.

No doubt! lol

It's just stupid and avoidable. I couldn't let it go.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: itlnstln on Mon, 09 April 2012, 13:15:26: I'm watching this thread. I would like to see some constructive criticism here that we as mods can learn from, so I am going to leave this open. When taken constructively, Input Nirvana has some great points. If this turns into "attack mkawa," however, I will close (but not delete) the thread.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Roguemaster8 on Mon, 09 April 2012, 13:32:41: #2b is the only one I really take issue with.

It'a not like all of Geekhack must agree before a mod makes a decision, but at least be open about it. The excuse "...invites non-productive argument more then productive argument..." is an assumption that everyone but the moderators are children who need to be scolded and put in line.

Quote from: itlnstln;571602
I'm watching this thread. I would like to see some constructive criticism here that we as mods can learn from, so I am going to leave this open. When taken constructively, Input Nirvana has some great points. If this turns into "attack mkawa," however, I will close (but not delete) the thread.

This is excellent, observation is key to good moderation in my opinion.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 09 April 2012, 13:36:01: So far there are two mods I'm very unimpressed by. One is cactux (c'mon 'penis' is NOT offensive). The other is mkawa.

Regarding mkawa's post:

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1) Threadcrapping: We are going to be taking a solid, consistent stand on threadcrapping. For the time being, if you aren't interested in buying an item, simply stay out of the seller's thread, live and let live, and so on.

Proposal: If you aren't interested in buying from a seller, STAY OUT OF HIS/HER THREAD. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.

If this means that saying things like "GLWS" or "GLWA" are going to be banned, I disagree with it. You need to make it VERY clear exactly what threadcrapping is. To me, threadcrapping consists of negative discussion about the sale which could dissuade potential buyers.

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2) Bumping: We are going to highly discourage bumping, as many are starting to feel that there has been an excessive level of self-bumps in some threads recently. Although this activity may not be explicitly malicious, it makes it more difficult for those that are more polite to sell items, and we would like to keep the forum fair for all users.

Proposal: You must wait a minimum of (somewhere between 24-)48 hours between bumps.

I think daily bumps should be fine.

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3) Thread Closure: We would like sellers to close their threads after a sale is complete. This may allow some window for discussion, but again, to be fair to other sellers, we would like to avoid having "chat" threads develop post-sale that crowd out legitimate new advertisements.

Proposal: Close the thread once both users leave iTrader feedback.

Fine with me, but I think this should be, for the most part, at the OP's discretion and if mods close they should provide a clear and legitimate reason.

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4) Pricing: We would like sellers to a) explicitly name their asking prices and b) not edit those prices out post-sale. this would allow the forum archives to be a useful price discovery mechanism.

Fine by me.

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5) Auctions: Many auction threads have been highly contentious among the userbase, and are the most oft-reported threads in classifieds. Some of us are of the opinions that auctions should be either moved to a separate subforum, made public bid only (ie, no silent auctions), and/or banned entirely.

Proposal: No auctions at all. FS posts must include asking price. Highly suggested not to edit out asking price post-sale.

I disagree entirely. But even so, what about linking to ebay auctions? That wasn't disallowed before. Either way, I think both should be allowed.

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6) Member Feedback Forum: We would like to deprecate this forum completely, closing it to new posts.

Fine by me.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Soarer on Mon, 09 April 2012, 13:37:45: I think input nirvana weakens any case he has by making too many points. It reads more like a personal attack, than constructive criticism (no offense, buddy).

2a - GH has never been a democracy! Sure, it got a little Lord of the Flies at times, but it is essentially a benevolent dictatorship. For the mods to act as iMav directs seems perfectly appropriate to me. It's not like we pay a membership fee!

2b - likewise, transparency is irrelevant for the same reason.

3 - this comment seems perfectly frank, and just says he can be blunt. So can iMav.

I don't know what the prior communication was that sparked this all off, but I don't see anything in that post that deserves a new thread. If there's a perceived problem with a mod just tell iMav and let him sort it out privately.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: funxion on Mon, 09 April 2012, 13:39:02: Going to stay neutral on this one, but in all honesty, moderation of these forums needs to be approached very cautiously and in a gradual fashion.

I'm a newer member, but it seems to me like this is a new step in the right direction if the select mods can do their job correctly and efficiently.

With that being said, the mods are still members of the community and it would only make sense to be made aware of any thread closures, deletions, and other matters that affect the community collectively.

It's a community forum, so despite what one may think, moderation is intended for the community.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Soarer on Mon, 09 April 2012, 13:45:18: I personally don't like auctions on forums, but appreciate that for some items, it's the only real way to value an item.

An auction subforum would be fine though, at least auction threads wouldn't be pushing all the regular sale threads down all the time (should help to reduce the desire to bump those, too), and it's easier to ignore.

Threadcrapping - this should include regular discussion threads. Sometimes it's clear that a poster only wishes to disrupt, rather than argue a point.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Input Nirvana on Mon, 09 April 2012, 13:51:07: Quote from: itlnstln;571602
I'm watching this thread. I would like to see some constructive criticism here that we as mods can learn from, so I am going to leave this open. When taken constructively, Input Nirvana has some great points. If this turns into "attack mkawa," however, I will close (but not delete) the thread.

Importantly, especially when in a position of guidance (ie; employer, mod, parent, etc,) you illicit the best most productive responses and actions together as a team with a common goal. Not separating, defining, and secretly acting behind the scenes, or making excuses. See the bigger picture, stand tall and have others stand tall with you.

You go to Las Vegas. You win and you lose, the key is to maximize your winnings and minimize your losses. There will inevitably be negatives so you move past them productively by using them as a building experience. Might as well get some long term positive out of a single negative. Done right, it serves as a positive reminder.

My issue here (as stated before) is for a change in perspective by Mkawa and no weird "it never happened deletions (with some obvious nasty exceptions)". I assume he means well, but I believe his implementation sucks (I have a number of fails in my portfolio as well, reference the Summer of Ping!). The very moment a mod fails to recognize what the strengths of GH are, they are doomed to drag GH into the bastion of ****ty internet forums. GH has a little piece of magic, it's delicate, so don't F it up. If you are hell bent on sanitizing GH rather than improving (note the difference), you'll sanitize the very real and flawed people that ARE the community and that help make GH magic.

Everyone (mods and non-mods) might start of being a lot more humble, never make excuses for your shortcomings, understand you're not special, remember that you are lucky, and most of all that being here is a privilege, not a right.

To clarify my perspective....

IMav is a facilitator, and he is aware of it. That completely explains his outlook on moderation the past years. The forum members are the community which in turn is 100% of what GH is. It's not the other way around. Thanks for being a great facilitator iMav! IMav needs to maximize his efforts, and that is the only reason anyone has the word 'mod' associated with their screen name. Don't forget that. I don't believe iMav wants to change GH, he just wants to tighten up a few loose ends and improve a couple aspects to make it stronger. And there is plenty of room for that, I've not said a single word to counter the improvements at GH.

Again....
No mystery deletes without explanations...(there's no long term learning from this, right?)
And an improved outlook from a mod....(maybe should team up with another mod to get better at the job, right?)
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: boost on Mon, 09 April 2012, 13:52:50: I noticed a few of these thread popping up...looking to see how this plays out.

Input and kl yall got my support
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: DanGWanG on Mon, 09 April 2012, 13:54:19: Did iMav handpick the moderators based on some requirements? Or were people who signed up pretty much all accepted? lol...
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Reptile on Mon, 09 April 2012, 13:54:37: Wait who said we get free keycaps?
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: boost on Mon, 09 April 2012, 13:56:11: Quote from: Reptile;571638
Wait who said we get free keycaps?

That's the word in the hood...
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Quarzac on Mon, 09 April 2012, 13:57:05: 2a- I agree, for the most part. Though I think the free key-cap comment was made as a jest, because I have not been informed of any such thing. I don't think mkawa phrased his original statement entirely correctly. I doubt that he intended for it to be read as you did, yet your interpretation is understandable.

2b- Transparency has been discussed. The current policy sits at essentially, if a mod makes a change, they must inform the user of why they were moderated, so that no one is left in the dark. This strikes me as effective, as the user will then know who was responsible for the moderation, and should they need to call attention to it, they have the necessary resources.

3- I agree with you. I am a technical person. I am a straightforward chap as well. I've been described as brutally honest, sometimes a little too brutal, and that's accurate. However, that does not prevent me from tactfully dealing with other people. Using social ineptitude as an excuse for failing to appropriately deal with people does not sit well with me, as, especially in a friendly environment such as GH, adjustments to the way you conduct yourself for the sake of others should not be terribly difficult.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: sth on Mon, 09 April 2012, 13:59:08: Quote from: Quarzac;571641
3- I agree with you. I am a technical person. I am a straightforward chap as well. I've been described as brutally honest, sometimes a little too brutal, and that's accurate. However, that does not prevent me from tactfully dealing with other people. Using social ineptitude as an excuse for failing to appropriately deal with people does not sit well with me, as, especially in a friendly environment such as GH, adjustments to the way you conduct yourself for the sake of others should not be terribly difficult.

By George, I think he's got it!
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 09 April 2012, 14:00:48: I'm a Technical Lead where I work. If I couldn't work well with people, I probably wouldn't have a job.

From what I've found, technical folks who don't have people skills are typically not good at what they do.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Input Nirvana on Mon, 09 April 2012, 14:07:19: You guys, I'm just a macho, geeky idiot that wanted to cut his ****ing keyboard into 2 pieces. That's all, nothing more. Anything else I've done here is flak. (unless I helped anyone with anything they might have needed)

For your own sakes, DON'T let GH take a wrong turn by biting of your nose to spite your face. It's easy to do, I know this. Improve the tools being put in place to improve YOUR community. It's about people, always has been, always will be. The rules are to serve the people, not the other way around.

Good luck, I'm sure you'll do a great job :)
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 09 April 2012, 14:09:07: If only "moderators gone wild" was as enticing as it sounded.

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5092/5503130379_202209f4cb_z.jpg)

Hey, is that ItlnStln on the box cover?
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 09 April 2012, 18:17:35: I think we should listen to this guy fossala.

Quote from: fossala
We should ban auctions.
Quote from: fossala
Because we are such an enthusastic group we get carried away and auctions for 2 keycaps end at $200.

Wait a minute...

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Do you regret purchasing it?
Quote from: boost;571782
Nah.

I do hope auctions are here to stay. My haters are my motivators.

And what about linking to ebay auctions?

IMO the TRUE problem is threadcrapping! If we moderate TRUE threadcrapping, more than half of the problems in the classifieds will be solved.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: sth on Mon, 09 April 2012, 18:27:56: What about... threadcrapping ONLY allowed in auctions?
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: cactux on Mon, 09 April 2012, 18:30:57: Quote from: keyboardlover;571620
So far there are two mods I'm very unimpressed by. One is cactux (c'mon 'penis' is NOT offensive). The other is mkawa.

Regarding mkawa's post:

If this means that saying things like "GLWS" or "GLWA" are going to be banned, I disagree with it. You need to make it VERY clear exactly what threadcrapping is. To me, threadcrapping consists of negative discussion about the sale which could dissuade potential buyers.

I think daily bumps should be fine.

Fine with me, but I think this should be, for the most part, at the OP's discretion and if mods close they should provide a clear and legitimate reason.

Fine by me.

I disagree entirely. But even so, what about linking to ebay auctions? That wasn't disallowed before. Either way, I think both should be allowed.

Fine by me.

I had some complains from users regarding this issue and I talk to ripster regarding this. I know GH is not a church, but some users are susceptible to this.

I would love to here any of your "constructive" comments in the mods forum.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: net2522 on Mon, 09 April 2012, 18:41:08: What's wrong with auction? Then put the price on and sell it straight away.
Do you think it'll make different.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 09 April 2012, 19:21:32: Quote from: cactux;571828
I would love to here any of your "constructive" comments in the mods forum.

Where is that?
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: captain on Mon, 09 April 2012, 23:07:34: Quote from: keyboardlover;571620
If this means that saying things like "GLWS" or "GLWA" are going to be banned, I disagree with it. You need to make it VERY clear exactly what threadcrapping is. To me, threadcrapping consists of negative discussion about the sale which could dissuade potential buyers.
.

It seems that all KL cares about is usurious selling of stuff to his financial benefit. The term "threadcrapping" should be thrown out entirely, IMHO. If something is OFF TOPIC, then it doesn't belong. If a comment in a usurious sales thread is educating poor suckers that they are being ripped off, that is ON TOPIC. GH is not here to be your shill. It's here to further the hobby of keyboard lovers, not just KL.

We already have a **** **** damn piss hell auto word blocker, so let vulgarity sensitivity go already. We are all big kids here and words aren't going to burn our little ears.

Things that should be "moderated":

Hateful posts: libel/slander, etc.
Language that comes across as melodramatic, if it seems to be raising emotions in others too.
Bad grammar and spelling.
Off topic, if it is requested that the thread be a one topic thread.

It's part of gh's charm that we have lively discussions. Quenching that will kill the community and the site.

Also, look up the word moderate. I don't think it equates to censor. ;-). Moderators should contact the "offender" privately, and politely offer an opinion on the post in question. Done tactfully, any editing could be done by the poster, thereby enabling everyone to be responsible for himself. Maybe I have too much faith in y'all's maturity. I've been guilty of expecting too much from people before.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: funxion on Mon, 09 April 2012, 23:52:53: I got the shot as well...I was sore for two days and then I was back to normal.

Definitely advise anyone who is in the age range to get this vaccine. It prevents you from carrying HPV as well as transferring it.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: net2522 on Tue, 10 April 2012, 00:01:23: (-_- ")
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Awful on Tue, 10 April 2012, 00:18:50: Anyone else afraid the forums are going to go down the ****ter? I don't want to post on Overclocked :( I'm afraid of the bearded ladies on Deskthority.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: demik on Tue, 10 April 2012, 00:53:10: eh, i've mentioned to mkawa that he's getting too into this forum police deal.

this whole we're agents of imav is too much. at the end of the day, we delete and edit posts. not saving the world one troll at a time.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: net2522 on Tue, 10 April 2012, 00:59:48: ^ :D
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Input Nirvana on Tue, 10 April 2012, 01:00:43: Quote from: demik;572109
eh, i've mentioned to mkawa that he's getting too into this forum police deal.

this whole we're agents of imav is too much. at the end of the day, we delete and edit posts. not saving the world one troll at a time.

Exactly.

Thanks.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Input Nirvana on Tue, 10 April 2012, 01:07:57: Back to the safety and security of Dangwangs subforum....
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Post by: Lanx on Tue, 10 April 2012, 04:40:19: if you're a mod, can you ignore users? i wonder how that works.
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Post by: fossala on Tue, 10 April 2012, 04:41:48: Quote from: Lanx;572215
if you're a mod, can you ignore users? i wonder how that works.

You can, but I wouldn't advise it.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: captain on Tue, 10 April 2012, 05:10:59: What are we modding today? Is that like pimping?
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: metafour on Tue, 10 April 2012, 05:47:35: Quote from: captain;572045

Things that should be "moderated":

Bad grammar and spelling.

I think this should be their top priority. Then they will literally have no time to moderate anything else.

Problem solved!
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: keyboardlover on Tue, 10 April 2012, 06:40:48: Quote from: Awful;572088
Anyone else afraid the forums are going to go down the ****ter? I don't want to post on Overclocked :( I'm afraid of the bearded ladies on Deskthority.

Church!

(Gangsta talk for "QFT!")

And btw, anyone who's crying about auctions or click clack sales should've been here a couple years ago when SSKs were getting hawked in the forums for ginormous profits! You should have seen all the threadcrapping then! And you know what ripster's response always was?

(http://www.mikeonads.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/supply_demand_11.JPG)
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: kps on Tue, 10 April 2012, 09:18:46: I've moderated on web forums, and mailing lists back before there were web forums. It is a thankless task, as it is impossible to make everyone happy, and the people who benefit from moderation generally don't even know it's happening.

My advice for site owners and moderators: Make guidelines for moderators that are as clear as possible. Moderators should indicate why a post is deleted, but moderators and owners should not engage in discussion with the poster, as this leads to an endless drain of wasted time and effort.

My advice for posters: Nothing on the intertubes is worth getting upset about.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Gawkbasher on Tue, 10 April 2012, 09:59:09: It sure as hell seems like the whole damned forum has lost its ****ing mind with this moderation and the reactions to it the last few days.

The situation is ugly right now and I may just start solely reading the classifieds from here on...
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: keyboardlover on Tue, 10 April 2012, 10:03:26: Quote from: Gawkbasher
It sure as hell seems like the whole damned forum has lost its ****ing mind with this moderation and the reactions to it the last few days.

Don't forget to vote (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?30048-If-loving-Geekhack-is-wrong)!

Quote from: Gawkbasher
The situation is ugly right now and I may just start solely reading the classifieds from here on...

See the "only here for the potatoes" poll option.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Reptile on Tue, 10 April 2012, 10:15:42: (http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/15c/596/db8/resized/stoner-sloth-meme-generator-its-k-bro-just-chill-out-49c446.jpg?1329105362.jpg)

For real I think it will blow over. I have honestly moved like 2 threads with my mod powers because it was something that needed to be fixed. I disagree with the classifieds rules sticky how it was just left and closed like that. I will try to talk to mkawa and see what we will come up with.

I was thinking of having a moderator only poll (don't know if this is possible?) and picking some general rules for classifieds. Nothing too crazy but to just have some organization.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Malphas on Tue, 10 April 2012, 10:50:56: A moderator censored the word "penis"? What the hell, ha ha. That's not profanity, it's an anatomical word.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Daniel Beaver on Tue, 10 April 2012, 10:56:05: You guys need to chill. The forums are fine.

...

penis
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: keyboardlover on Tue, 10 April 2012, 10:58:51: Quote from: Daniel Beaver;572423
You guys need to chill. The forums are fine.

...

penis

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFfffffffffff
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: net2522 on Tue, 10 April 2012, 11:05:20: Relax!!

[ATTACH=CONFIG]47982[/ATTACH]
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Post by: eth0s on Tue, 10 April 2012, 11:09:13: Peniz?
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Post by: o2dazone on Tue, 10 April 2012, 11:11:43: boy you ****in nerds take keyboards seriously
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: MyNameIsFinn on Tue, 10 April 2012, 11:15:21: Balls, that is all.

If that is offensive that you shouldn't be on the forum.

By overly moderating you are taking the fun out of geekhack, stop ****ing this website over and let us chill.

We don't need babysitters
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Zamorph on Wed, 11 April 2012, 10:28:37: I agree with keyboardlover, that somethings need to be specific like thread crapping. I know everyone's opinion of what a mod should be is different but I think mods should just be a member of the community and step in when something clearly is out of line. I feel warnings should be given out, but again its hard to judge sometimes when someone is being insulting or just joking around ( Because its online duh ;) ). But again, this goes back to needing firm guidelines. That's why as of now, I think being cautious is the way to go. I was looking to try to clean up some of the member's poll section, but it is hard for me to judge what I should keep in there or not, thus why I am making baby steps, if any.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: iMav on Wed, 11 April 2012, 10:36:29: I would not worry about historic content. I consider that "grandfathered in" to some extent. Focus on new content...
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Zamorph on Wed, 11 April 2012, 10:50:13: Quote from: iMav;572955
I would not worry about historic content. I consider that "grandfathered in" to some extent. Focus on new content...

Gotchya. Thanks :)
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: retsteel on Wed, 11 April 2012, 14:49:09: Quote from: captain;572045
It's part of gh's charm that we have lively discussions. Quenching that will kill the community and the site.

That is exactly why I am here, I have accounts on many forums and never posted, I found geekhack and just recently created my account, I am up to like 50? 15? something or other posts and climbing and that is because I find it interesting and worth reading and posting, if it were not for the way that discussions developed tangents and those tangents became sentient and took over the conversation it would not be interesting, and I would have gotten the information about my keyboard, and bookmarked it as a place to search for information every once in a while, I would not have lit my wallet on fire, and I would not be posting this.

That being said, I am new here, but I am not new to forums in general, and I think that moderators definitely have a place, when I'm scrolling through a thread and I see something that is offensive or malicious towards a specific person or group of people I often wish that I had the power to censor that, but I think that short of a direct assault on a person or a people there is little reason to censor stuff, as people have said this is by and large a very mature community and from what I have noticed in my limited time it has a way and regulating its self, most of the time.

Bottom line I think that moderators should be there to step in and basically tap someone on the shoulder and let them know that they are getting out of line, not to make everything fit in neat little boxes and be cold, organized and firmly following a set of rules, that is now what makes this forum good.

I had more thoughts but my train of thought derailed, blew up, and the wreckage was abducted by aliens so I am done for now.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 11 April 2012, 16:23:57: see the thing about being a moderator is that it is always a thankless job and you're more often than not accused rather than praised. Take for instance the news they'll say " we think this person [insert mugshot] is suspected of being guilty of something", but they don't say a week later "oh yea that mugshot we plastered on the 10 o'clock news, yea he wasn't the guy", instead they just go on to find the next mugshot to plaster up. You'll always point out what's wrong because you believe it affects YOU, and in that instance shouldn't it be affecting everyone?
poor mods we should have a thanks button for them.
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=231666
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Malphas on Wed, 11 April 2012, 16:55:12: The whole "oh you peons wouldn't understand the hardships and sacrifice required when taking up the mantle of being a moderator" shtick, that always comes up during debates like this, kinda assumes that none of us have been moderators on large boards before. Some of us have, and it's really not that hard if you just have some common sense, normal social functioning, and bit of humility.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Input Nirvana on Thu, 12 April 2012, 12:53:14: Quote from: Malphas;573251
The whole "oh you peons wouldn't understand the hardships and sacrifice required when taking up the mantle of being a moderator" shtick, that always comes up during debates like this, kinda assumes that none of us have been moderators on large boards before. Some of us have, and it's really not that hard if you just have some common sense, normal social functioning, and bit of humility.

Yes. Thanks for that write up. Being a mod is a service you accept to contribute back to something that has done a lot for you. Period. It is not status, or mean you are special (no offense, 'cause some of you are VERY special). LOL

Maybe there should be time limits of 6 months for mods. Like 6 months on, 6 months off as a reminder to keep it real
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Lanx on Thu, 12 April 2012, 16:25:25: it's not like they were elected with terms lol, heh. plus it'd prolly be an admin nitemare.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: captain on Thu, 12 April 2012, 17:05:47: It's all fun & games until somebody loses an eye! ;-)
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 12 April 2012, 17:09:38: Directed at all of us, but especially the mods... God damn, it's just a ****ing keyboard forum. It's not a job. You're not even going to be able to put this on a resume. Chill the **** out...
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Soarer on Thu, 12 April 2012, 17:29:44: I nominate the iStallion to present the GH Participation Awards 2012.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Input Nirvana on Thu, 12 April 2012, 17:50:26: Quote from: itlnstln;574056
Directed at all of us, but especially the mods... God damn, it's just a ****ing keyboard forum. It's not a job. You're not even going to be able to put this on a resume. Chill the **** out...

If I were an employee, I would TOTALLY put my GH involvement on my resume. Along with girl-chasing, and traveling to U.S.banned countries (Cuba and Burma).
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: laffindude on Fri, 13 April 2012, 05:30:59: I had a whole post wrote up, but meh.
Aggressive moderation will always devolve into something adversarial, which will make it less fun for all involved. People will just test the boundary on what they can get away with and make the situation worse than when we not have mods. We have a decent culture here and it worked fined without the mods for the most part. We're better off with a few supermods that talks to the trouble makers and deal with reported posts, instead of having lots of individual mods.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: pitashen on Fri, 13 April 2012, 10:45:30: huh?? I did not know we need mods.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 13 April 2012, 13:09:01: Quote from: Soarer;574070
I nominate the iStallion to present the GH Participation Awards 2012.

A wise little birdie taught me that a while back when I was dealing with other issues, so it's not exactly a pearl of wisdom I came up with. That said, it's good to think about from time-to-time.

At any rate, I asked iMav to remove me as a mod a few days ago, and I see today that he granted my wish. I just don't have the time for a second job.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: rknize on Fri, 13 April 2012, 14:23:59: No one wants to ruin GH or turn it into a police state. We are still finding our way. Please keep any constructive feedback coming.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 13 April 2012, 16:29:09: Also, the mods, including myself, are just trying to run things the way that we see fit. We, as a community will figure this out, guys and gals. Like itlnstln said, this is indeed a keyboard forum, nothing more, nothing less. We are expanding and feeling that, especially since Geekhack is quite young, almost 5 years young to be precise. We will get it all figured out guys. :biggrin:
Title: Re: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 30 November 2013, 00:56:00: Quote from: keyboardlover on Tue, 10 April 2012, 06:40:48
Quote from: Awful;572088
Anyone else afraid the forums are going to go down the ****ter? I don't want to post on Overclocked :( I'm afraid of the bearded ladies on Deskthority.

Church!

(Gangsta talk for "QFT!")

And btw, anyone who's crying about auctions or click clack sales should've been here a couple years ago when SSKs were getting hawked in the forums for ginormous profits! You should have seen all the threadcrapping then! And you know what ripster's response always was?

Show Image
(http://www.mikeonads.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/supply_demand_11.JPG)

so the auction butthurt isn't anything new.....interesting...history repeating...
Title: Re: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: MKULTRA on Sat, 30 November 2013, 01:31:58: Quote from: SpAmRaY on Sat, 30 November 2013, 00:56:00
Quote from: keyboardlover on Tue, 10 April 2012, 06:40:48
Quote from: Awful;572088
Anyone else afraid the forums are going to go down the ****ter? I don't want to post on Overclocked :( I'm afraid of the bearded ladies on Deskthority.

Church!

(Gangsta talk for "QFT!")

And btw, anyone who's crying about auctions or click clack sales should've been here a couple years ago when SSKs were getting hawked in the forums for ginormous profits! You should have seen all the threadcrapping then! And you know what ripster's response always was?

Show Image
(http://www.mikeonads.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/supply_demand_11.JPG)

so the auction butthurt isn't anything new.....interesting...history repeating...
Dat necro.
Title: Re: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 30 November 2013, 02:20:29: Quote from: MKULTRA on Sat, 30 November 2013, 01:31:58
Quote from: SpAmRaY on Sat, 30 November 2013, 00:56:00
Quote from: keyboardlover on Tue, 10 April 2012, 06:40:48
Quote from: Awful;572088
Anyone else afraid the forums are going to go down the ****ter? I don't want to post on Overclocked :( I'm afraid of the bearded ladies on Deskthority.

Church!

(Gangsta talk for "QFT!")

And btw, anyone who's crying about auctions or click clack sales should've been here a couple years ago when SSKs were getting hawked in the forums for ginormous profits! You should have seen all the threadcrapping then! And you know what ripster's response always was?

Show Image
(http://www.mikeonads.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/supply_demand_11.JPG)

so the auction butthurt isn't anything new.....interesting...history repeating...
Dat necro.

He's doing that a lot today.

Taking a little trip down memory lane ;) :))
Title: Re: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 30 November 2013, 08:12:56: Quote from: rowdy on Sat, 30 November 2013, 02:20:29
Quote from: MKULTRA on Sat, 30 November 2013, 01:31:58
Quote from: SpAmRaY on Sat, 30 November 2013, 00:56:00
Quote from: keyboardlover on Tue, 10 April 2012, 06:40:48
Quote from: Awful;572088
Anyone else afraid the forums are going to go down the ****ter? I don't want to post on Overclocked :( I'm afraid of the bearded ladies on Deskthority.

Church!

(Gangsta talk for "QFT!")

And btw, anyone who's crying about auctions or click clack sales should've been here a couple years ago when SSKs were getting hawked in the forums for ginormous profits! You should have seen all the threadcrapping then! And you know what ripster's response always was?

Show Image
(http://www.mikeonads.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/supply_demand_11.JPG)

so the auction butthurt isn't anything new.....interesting...history repeating...
Dat necro.

He's doing that a lot today.

Taking a little trip down memory lane ;) :))

It's amazing what google finds and it fit current topics at least the post I quoted.

The point is most of the butthurt goes in a cycle.....everyone acts like things are so bad but then they cool off and flare up everyone once in a while....sound like some cream would help.
Title: Re: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 30 November 2013, 08:14:51: why d'you keep necroing ray? :'(
Title: Re: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 30 November 2013, 08:18:41: Quote from: Photekq on Sat, 30 November 2013, 08:14:51
why d'you keep necroing ray? :'(

I did them all last night I was googling looking for something else and ran across it. History is important to remember so we don't repeat it.
Title: Re: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Tym on Sat, 30 November 2013, 08:39:08: I just imagine that voice from quake i think? "Mega-Kill" saying "Mega-Necro"
Title: Re: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 30 November 2013, 09:09:35: Quote from: Tym on Sat, 30 November 2013, 08:39:08
I just imagine that voice from quake i think? "Mega-Kill" saying "Mega-Necro"
Title: Re: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Tym on Sat, 30 November 2013, 09:48:19: Then there was also the female one, i think that was ultra-kill, or kill-tactular.
Title: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Input Nirvana on Sat, 30 November 2013, 18:07:48: DAAAANNGGG!!!! Ray pulled this fetid turd from his ass along with other dead-threads? LOL. I think I understand what an "Inappropriately old thread bump is" now. I'd hate to see what others he resurrected. This is what happens when we get our schedules disrupted and too much time (family holidays and being out of town).

That was a very messed up time on many levels at GH and I had extreme personal issues (stalker, paid almost $500k to avoid legal issues, health, bleak future, etc)....wish none of it happened but glad it's in the past.

My biggest ***** was about deletions.

Now, me 'n Kawa are besties....or I wanna be besties...or he doesn't wanna be besties......
Title: Re: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 30 November 2013, 19:48:01: I'll be back to work Monday.....:)
Title: Re: WTF??? Moderator gone wild???? What is this???
Post by: Input Nirvana on Sat, 30 November 2013, 20:59:54: Quote from: SpAmRaY on Sat, 30 November 2013, 19:48:01
I'll be back to work Monday.....:)

I had to drive 4 hours and work on my own Wednesday, plus the offbeat holiday vibe, so a lot of my mental energy went down memory lane. Not always the healthiest. It's nice to see today is better.